Author Topic: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.  (Read 853627 times)

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Offline mercury

It would fall under the second objective, IMO. The actions of the ex-SIO played no small part in assisting the abductor(s) escape justice.
As to the interpretation - the failings of the investigation were already apparent when the fund was set up, but no-one donating initially would have had a notion that a serving investigating officer would have written a book making libellous accusations against the parents & friends. He has twisted the knife time & time again and, for Madeleine's sake, he needs to be removed from the gravy train.

You cannot make that statement unless and until there is clear evidence of an abductor. Your statement is also ridiculously emotive and libellous, that Mr Amaral aided the "abductor". Seems you have been sucked into the murky mire.

Offline misty

You cannot make that statement unless and until there is clear evidence of an abductor. Your statement is also ridiculously emotive and libellous, that Mr Amaral aided the "abductor". Seems you have been sucked into the murky mire.

Equally there is no clear evidence that there wasn't an abductor. Therefore a co-ordinator leading an investigation along a single pathway towards the parents, brushing everything & everybody aside regardless. can be considered as failing in his duty to investigate properly & assisting an offender to escape justice.


Offline mercury

Equally there is no clear evidence that there wasn't an abductor. Therefore a co-ordinator leading an investigation along a single pathway towards the parents, brushing everything & everybody aside regardless. can be considered as failing in his duty to investigate properly & assisting an offender to escape justice.

Subjective rubbish IMO

Even SY/Redwood said there is "no clear indicative evidence" for a death, insinuating there is, but it's not clear and indicative.

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Equally there is no clear evidence that there wasn't an abductor. Therefore a co-ordinator leading an investigation along a single pathway towards the parents, brushing everything & everybody aside regardless. can be considered as failing in his duty to investigate properly & assisting an offender to escape justice.

Good, balanced, perspective, Misty.

The prosecutors were clear that they thought Madeleine was abducted, though they were uncertain whether by an opportunistic abductor or whether Madeleine was targeted.   

Offline mercury

Good, balanced, perspective, Misty.

The prosecutors were clear that they thought Madeleine was abducted, though they were uncertain whether by an opportunistic abductor or whether Madeleine was targeted.

Oh dear, the prosecutors said nothing of the sort. Unbelievable.

Offline G-Unit

Good, balanced, perspective, Misty.

The prosecutors were clear that they thought Madeleine was abducted, though they were uncertain whether by an opportunistic abductor or whether Madeleine was targeted.

The legal summary, just to remind you;

the investigation equated the verification of several hypotheses: abduction, for the purpose of sexual exploration or others (i.e. posterior adoption, child traffic, organ traffic), without homicide; abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) concealment of a cadaver, hypotheses that were considered under the double sides of the abduction (if it existed) having occurred due to feelings of vengeance of the abductor(s) towards the parents (directed abduction) or simply taking advantage of the circumstance that the child was in a situation of actual vulnerability (opportunity abduction), accidental death, with posterior concealment of the cadaver and, underlying all of these possibilities, abandonment, substantiated as a crime under article 138 of the Penal Code. The possibility of theft, whose author would have been disturbed by the child Madeleine and who, in order to prevent her from disturbing him, neutralised her in a violent manner, and, afterwards, took her with him, dead or alive, in order to leave no trace that could eventually lead to his identification................

........therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
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Offline mercury

So how does that equal your statement of fact ferryman that the prosecutors said it was an abduction ferryman?

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Offline misty

The legal summary, just to remind you;

the investigation equated the verification of several hypotheses: abduction, for the purpose of sexual exploration or others (i.e. posterior adoption, child traffic, organ traffic), without homicide; abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) concealment of a cadaver, hypotheses that were considered under the double sides of the abduction (if it existed) having occurred due to feelings of vengeance of the abductor(s) towards the parents (directed abduction) or simply taking advantage of the circumstance that the child was in a situation of actual vulnerability (opportunity abduction), accidental death, with posterior concealment of the cadaver and, underlying all of these possibilities, abandonment, substantiated as a crime under article 138 of the Penal Code. The possibility of theft, whose author would have been disturbed by the child Madeleine and who, in order to prevent her from disturbing him, neutralised her in a violent manner, and, afterwards, took her with him, dead or alive, in order to leave no trace that could eventually lead to his identification................

........therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

How many of the several hypotheses does Amaral promote in his book?

Offline mercury

How many of the several hypotheses does Amaral promote in his book?

Stop changing the subject... The PPs did NOT say Madeleine was abducted as Ferryman says. deal with that first before you bore  into Amaral

Offline G-Unit

How many of the several hypotheses does Amaral promote in his book?


Haven't read it. I was just correcting Ferryman's mistaken statement.
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Offline misty

Stop changing the subject... The PPs did NOT say Madeleine was abducted as Ferryman says. deal with that first before you bore  into Amaral

The PPs said abduction was one of several scenarios, not the only scenario.
In TTOTL there is only one conclusive scenario after the application of selectively edited circumstantial evidence, despite many pointers to the contrary.
Pegasus asked if there were grounds under the FMF objectives to pay for the legal action against Amaral, and I have explained why I believe there are valid reasons.
Amaral chose to make himself a spokesperson for the original investigation by writing his book. The Portuguese Justice system did not distance itself from his opinions by prosecuting him for breach of secrecy, therefore we must assume they supported him.
The McCanns couldn't sue the whole of the Portuguese Justice system
for the failures of the original investigation, but they could take action against the very public actions of a citizen who has always said he knew far more than he has ever disclosed about Madeleine's disappearance.

Offline sadie

Equally there is no clear evidence that there wasn't an abductor. Therefore a co-ordinator leading an investigation along a single pathway towards the parents, brushing everything & everybody aside regardless. can be considered as failing in his duty to investigate properly & assisting an offender to escape justice.

 8@??)(
Such a wise comment, misty

Offline sadie

The PPs said abduction was one of several scenarios, not the only scenario.
In TTOTL there is only one conclusive scenario after the application of selectively edited circumstantial evidence, despite many pointers to the contrary.
Pegasus asked if there were grounds under the FMF objectives to pay for the legal action against Amaral, and I have explained why I believe there are valid reasons.
Amaral chose to make himself a spokesperson for the original investigation by writing his book. The Portuguese Justice system did not distance itself from his opinions by prosecuting him for breach of secrecy, therefore we must assume they supported him.
The McCanns couldn't sue the whole of the Portuguese Justice system
for the failures of the original investigation, but they could take action against the very public actions of a citizen who has always said he knew far more than he has ever disclosed about Madeleine's disappearance
.

If I recall correctly, he actually said that he knew where Madeleine was.

Am I right in saying that to know that he has to know the abductor ?

Offline Angelo222

The PPs said abduction was one of several scenarios, not the only scenario.
In TTOTL there is only one conclusive scenario after the application of selectively edited circumstantial evidence, despite many pointers to the contrary.
Pegasus asked if there were grounds under the FMF objectives to pay for the legal action against Amaral, and I have explained why I believe there are valid reasons.
Amaral chose to make himself a spokesperson for the original investigation by writing his book. The Portuguese Justice system did not distance itself from his opinions by prosecuting him for breach of secrecy, therefore we must assume they supported him.
The McCanns couldn't sue the whole of the Portuguese Justice system
for the failures of the original investigation, but they could take action against the very public actions of a citizen who has always said he knew far more than he has ever disclosed about Madeleine's disappearance.

The McCanns are extremely lucky not to have been pursued by the Portuguese State over their involvement and funding of fraudster PI's Metodo 3 and Correia but then the politics of that would have caused further damage to anglo relationships already severely strained.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline misty

The McCanns are extremely lucky not to have been pursued by the Portuguese State over their involvement and funding of fraudster PI's Metodo 3 and Correia but then the politics of that would have caused further damage to anglo relationships already severely strained.

The McCanns were not in Portugal when they hired Metado3, therefore it was none of the Portuguese State's business.