Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.

[faithlilly]

The judge found that it couldn't be proven that he had damaged the search. Nuance.

No nuance Carana.

[G-Unit]

I wish to apologise to everyone for making a wrong prediction about 12 weeks ago.
Here it is
"And I am sure nobody will have any objection if the gofundme total raised increases to £40K when the Sun Mirror Mail Telegraph Guardian Times Independent BBC ITV and Sky all finally end their recent silence about it?..."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6269.msg246251#msg246251

In fact the gofundme total is now approaching £40K without any help at all from the Sun Mirror Mail Telegraph Guardian Times Independent BBC ITV and Sky.

That's very honourable pegasus. I wonder if ferryman will follow your lead?

 Reply #1601 on: June 11, 2015, 09:40:04 AM »
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That's a big if.

Even though it's possible to do far more, it shouldn't be necessary to have to do more than compare that part of the prosecutors' report which makes plain the McCanns are not guilty of any crime with the final chapter of Amaral's book, to scupper all Amaral's hopes of an appeal ....

[Carana]

What are the possible outcomes?

1. The ruling will be upheld as is (in which case I'm not sure what the exceptions would be in order to appeal to the Supreme Court).

2. Some points are found in his favour, which may enable him to swan off with some - or even most - of his money.

3. The ruling is overturned, in which case the McCanns will no doubt appeal.


Any other variations?

[Carana]

No nuance Carana.

Who are the respondents in the appeal?

[stephen25000]

What are the possible outcomes?

1. The ruling will be upheld as is (in which case I'm not sure what the exceptions would be in order to appeal to the Supreme Court).

2. Some points are found in his favour, which may enable him to swan off with some - or even most - of his money.

3. The ruling is overturned, in which case the McCanns will no doubt appeal.


Any other variations?

Seems to cover most of it.

Whoever loses this appeal, will undoubtably appeal as well.

So on and on it will go...........................

[Carana]

Seems to cover most of it.

Whoever loses this appeal, will undoubtably appeal as well.

So on and on it will go...........................

Not necessarily.

In the event of No. 2 (a partial concession), both parties may decide to call it quits, depending on what any new ruling will actually state.

No. 3 (having the ruling overturned) might ironically end up being the worst provisional financial outcome for him.

[ferryman]

No nuance Carana.

Of course there's a nuance.  There can be no question that a book of lies sold across countries of Europe, declaring that Madeleine is definitely dead, that her parents dunit and know she's dead, that same said parents caused her death, hid her body, fabricated an 'abduction' and launched a fraudulent 'appeal' in their (dead) daughter's name, will have harmed the search for Madeleine.

Established,  beyond all doubt. 

But 'proving' it, or perhaps more accurately, quantifying it, was the tricky bit.

[stephen25000]

Not necessarily.

In the event of No. 2 (a partial concession), both parties may decide to call it quits, depending on what any new ruling will actually state.

No. 3 (having the ruling overturned) might ironically end up being the worst provisional financial outcome for him.

We shall see.

However, if the mccanns lose their appeal, their egos will result in an appeal.

[Alice Purjorick]

The judge found that it couldn't be proven that he had damaged the search. Nuance.

George Mparrbe rides again methinks! He would have said:
What you has to understand in dis case is when de judge say not proven what she really mean is dat she tink he dunnit but will not put it in her judgement.

Yeah that makes sense George.

[Brietta]

Some people went hundreds of miles to ensure that an ex-policeman was prevented from taking an active part in local politics.

We have discussed this on the Forum before, Pegasus, the paranoia which precipitated this obsession ignored local conditions and the fact he was not just an ex-policeman but one who carried a considerable amount of baggage with him.

The Portuguese have been making great inroads into dealing with the corruption of inspectors and local government.

The result of the appeal will be interesting nonetheless. 

[stephen25000]

We have discussed this on the Forum before, Pegasus, the paranoia which precipitated this obsession ignored local conditions and the fact he was not just an ex-policeman but one who carried a considerable amount of baggage with him.

The Portuguese have been making great inroads into dealing with the corruption of inspectors and local government.

The result of the appeal will be interesting nonetheless.

It is far from unique to Portugal.

I wonder how many people have confidence in the police  in the UK.

[Brietta]

a. Do UK newspapers tell lies then  iyo? How absolutely disgraceful!

b. They may have thought they had defeated him initially. His assets were frozen so he had no funds to appeal with. I expect it was quite exasperating to see the bulk of the money for his appeal being raised by UK people. That was a bit of a slap in the face, wasn't it? Of course it was only 'trolls', but who'd have thought that they (the dregs of society according to some) would have been able to raise the amount they did?

Indeed it might have been truly amazing to the Portuguese that the bulk of the money was raised by UK people for his appeal ... had they been the slightest bit interested.

Doesn't it make you wonder why there was not the same resonance among Portuguese sceptics as among British sceptics.

Perhaps some in Portugal are busy covering their tracks ... and others have seen the light being closer to the source.

[Brietta]

If the abductor currently being investigated by SY and the PJ hadn't stolen Madeleine McCann from her bed, Mr Amaral would not currently be making an appeal ... well not regarding this case, at least.

The perpetrator /s of the crime bear the responsibility ... not the victims.

[pegasus]

Indeed it might have been truly amazing to the Portuguese that the bulk of the money was raised by UK people for his appeal ... had they been the slightest bit interested.

Doesn't it make you wonder why there was not the same resonance among Portuguese sceptics as among British sceptics.

Perhaps some in Portugal are busy covering their tracks ... and others have seen the light being closer to the source.

The gofundme page is in English. Most people in Portugal speak Portuguese.

[Carana]

George Mparrbe rides again methinks! He would have said:
What you has to understand in dis case is when de judge say not proven what she really mean is dat she tink he dunnit but will not put it in her judgement.

Yeah that makes sense George.

The PT system would have required countering evidence... What evidence do you think could have been produced?

- Part of the hysteria preceded his book, some of which was the result of leaks under his tenure. Convenient.

- Paiva testified that Amaral's book hadn't stopped the PJ from continuing to investigate leads. Hardly surpising, as he was the desk officer. However, no one asked him which leads he'd actually followed up on.