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Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3525 on: November 19, 2015, 07:55:52 PM »
The judge commented that the McCanns are innocent ...

Too simplistic and misrepresenting what occurred

IMO what the judge probably meant was more " knowing they are innocent".....insert rest of the sentence/question asked

In any case she would be in no position to state their innocence as a given when no one in the judicio/pj capacity had hitherto....., which makes my interpretation probably right

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3526 on: November 19, 2015, 07:57:13 PM »
Mark Harrison was tasked to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered  ....

Yes that could be by a predator. Ricardo Paiva revealed in court who first thought it could be and he didn't say Goncalo Amaral.

"We welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.

His work consists of defining new strategies for research. He gets to work immediately, supported by the Portuguese PJ and the investigators from Leicester and Scotland Yard." (TOTL)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 08:07:05 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3527 on: November 19, 2015, 08:04:12 PM »
Too simplistic and misrepresenting what occurred

IMO what the judge probably meant was more " knowing they are innocent".....insert rest of the sentence/question asked

In any case she would be in no position to state their innocence as a given when no one in the judicio/pj capacity had hitherto....., which makes my interpretation probably right

Re-read the archiving dispatch ....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3528 on: November 19, 2015, 08:12:47 PM »
Re-read the archiving dispatch ....

I have read it a few times, no where does it say the parents are innocent, as many state, as an absolute fact that can be repeated by police, judges, media, ad infinitum

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3529 on: November 19, 2015, 08:31:27 PM »
I have read it a few times, no where does it say the parents are innocent, as many state, as an absolute fact that can be repeated by police, judges, media, ad infinitum

In both the Napoleonic code and (our own) adversarial system, absence of intent means no crime can be committed

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3530 on: November 19, 2015, 08:56:27 PM »
In both the Napoleonic code and (our own) adversarial system, absence of intent means no crime can be committed

Pretty irrelevant least because all  they have been suspected of is occultation of a body, where there cannot not be intent...

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3531 on: November 19, 2015, 08:59:23 PM »
Pretty irrelevant least because all  they have been suspected of is occultation of a body, where there cannot not be intent...

How do you hide a body without intent?

And since the McCanns were accused of murder ....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3532 on: November 19, 2015, 09:06:14 PM »
How do you hide a body without intent?

And since the McCanns were accused of murder ....

- That is what I said, you cant not have intent and
- No one accused them of murder... Please dont repeat your Harrison thing and your personal interpretation then pass it off as fact,  heard it all before

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3533 on: November 19, 2015, 09:23:30 PM »
- That is what I said, you cant not have intent and
- No one accused them of murder... Please dont repeat your Harrison thing and your personal interpretation then pass it off as fact,  heard it all before

My Harrison thing?

I am repeating what's written in the files.

Read Harrison's terms of reference.

He was handed a brief, by the PJ, to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and did so.

Harrison's own, personal, conclusion was inconclusive.  He formed no firm opinion about what might have happened to Madeleine.

He also stressed that no inference could be drawn from the reactions of the dogs.

It's all in the files ....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3534 on: November 19, 2015, 09:26:50 PM »
TOTL

Mark Harrison reads up on the statements and interviews from the principal witnesses – including, of course, those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the investigation; consultation with the best forensic anthropologist in the country, who indicates for us what would be the actual state of the body in the hypothesis of death occurring on May 3rd; study of the region’s natural carrion predators. All the research already conducted by hundreds of people – GNR, civil defence, firemen and other volunteers – is re-examined in detail and re-analysed.

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3535 on: November 19, 2015, 09:34:23 PM »
The judge commented that the McCanns are innocent ...

That's not what we're talking about. Please provide details of the judge's comments on Amaral's 'lies'.
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ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3536 on: November 19, 2015, 09:38:07 PM »
TOTL

Mark Harrison reads up on the statements and interviews from the principal witnesses – including, of course, those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the investigation; consultation with the best forensic anthropologist in the country, who indicates for us what would be the actual state of the body in the hypothesis of death occurring on May 3rd; study of the region’s natural carrion predators. All the research already conducted by hundreds of people – GNR, civil defence, firemen and other volunteers – is re-examined in detail and re-analysed.

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises there is nothe quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.

I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Mark Harrison

Are you (slowly) starting to understand why Amaral will lose the libel trial?

Offline Montclair

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3537 on: November 19, 2015, 09:43:10 PM »
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Mark Harrison

Are you (slowly) starting to understand why Amaral will lose the libel trial?

When will you ever understand that this has never been a libel trial?

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3538 on: November 19, 2015, 09:45:53 PM »
When will you ever understand that this has never been a libel trial?

Next, you will be re-iterating that the woman at the libel trial who said most of Amaral's book was made up was being facetious. 

Welcome back, by the way ....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3539 on: November 19, 2015, 09:58:55 PM »
My Harrison thing?

I am repeating what's written in the files.

Read Harrison's terms of reference.

He was handed a brief, by the PJ, to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and did so.

Harrison's own, personal, conclusion was inconclusive.  He formed no firm opinion about what might have happened to Madeleine.

He also stressed that no inference could be drawn from the reactions of the dogs.

It's all in the files ....

Yes, it IS your Harrison Amaral ""thing"
FACT remains Amaral or anyne else never accused the Mccanns of murder, its all in your imagnation
Anyway, off topic ...lets wait and see how the appeal (that you said could not or would not happen) pans out hey?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 10:01:11 PM by mercury »