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ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3825 on: December 01, 2015, 06:02:01 PM »
Miss Taken - well it would appear that there is a foundation for critisism of the Portuguese Justice System. 

http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/4994-portugal-s-justice-system-is-the-slowest-in-europe

The time taken to resolve the civil cases analysed between 2010 and 2012 was so great that the classification for Portugal was almost off the scale with members of the public having to undergo waits of between 900 and 1,100 days before cases were concluded.

The McCanns' dispute with Amaral has certainly exceeded 1,000 days and (according to some) is still unconcluded ....

Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #3826 on: December 01, 2015, 06:08:20 PM »
http://algarvedailynews.com/news/6539-portugal-s-justice-system-is-worse-than-a-year-ago
Portugal's justice system is 'worse than a year ago' 
 

 Created: 31 August 2015
 
   





 
dacruzIn September 2014, the launch of the new CITIUS court case processing system failed spectacularly on take-off and remained inoperable for 44 days, while the media reported on recrimination, back-biting and zero progress in clearing the backlog of cases built up from years of inefficiency and official indifference.

The judicial reform programme, far from reforming anything, turned a poor system into a showcase of what was wrong with Portugal’s antiquated justice delivery system noted already for understaffed courts and slow justice, but now with a computer software that had failed to work and was making things worse, not better.

Many court cases vanished into a cyber black hole, other live cases were designated as pending and the massive backlog of cases rose rather than decreased, causing distress and misery for those citizens waiting for their day in court.

The head of the union of prosecutors today said, "Justice is worse today than a year ago."

In a press conference held today, António Ventinhas, president of the union of prosecutors said of the justice system that the old problems had stayed but new ones have been added with a lack of staff, judges and with a computer system that does notdo what it was supposed to do.

Ventinhas said the resulting chaos after the launch of CITIUS was due to a lack of financial resources, to which he could have added, ‘training and management.’ He did point out that the lack of planning meant that a year later the country still does not have the necessary courts, the required number of judges and the number of staff required to run the system. He added that the money spent on the computer system has not been effective.

For Ventrinhas, the blame lies squarely with the Minister of Justice, Paula Teixeira da Cruz (pictured) whose management skills have been tested to the full and found early on to be lacking.
 
The head of the Bar Association, Elina Fraga, commented that the reform of the judicial map simply has detered citizens from seeing justice and that CITIUS still does not work as it should be working.

More concerning there still is no explanation from the minister for the failure of CITIUS.

A report is promised ‘next month’ but is unlikely to be published before the general election on October 4th. One of the reasons for the delay in the report is that the Minister of Justice did not commission it until a full eight months after the failure of the computer system for which she resolutely refused to take the blame, despite being in charge.

The report anyway will be light on detail as rather conveniently, the CITIUS computer problems preclude a detailed analysis of the judicial reform as no statistical data on pending or completed cases can be pulled from the system.

The justice system is in a mess, those working in it are stressed and lack resources, the public are less able to access the system due to travel and cost constraints, the new computer system failed to work and still does not function as specified, the report into the failure of CITIUS has been delayed by the person responsible and the chances of justice within a plaintiff’s lifetime are as remote as ever, if not more so.

The Minister in charge has the full backing of the Prime Minister.

The reason being AN IT SYSTEM fail...

" the launch of the new CITIUS court case processing system failed spectacularly on take-off and remained inoperable for 44 days, while the media reported on recrimination, back-biting and zero progress in clearing the backlog of cases built up from years of inefficiency and official indifference".

The same can be said for our own 'justice' system and the NHS partnerships all f***ked; Due to over paid IT staff who have not got A clue.

So there you have it folks... none of this has hampered the search for Maddie OR interfered with the running of Kate N Gerrys  (Illness brought on by a book).

Nice try guys... nice try.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3827 on: December 01, 2015, 06:20:28 PM »
The time taken to resolve the civil cases analysed between 2010 and 2012 was so great that the classification for Portugal was almost off the scale with members of the public having to undergo waits of between 900 and 1,100 days before cases were concluded.

The McCanns' dispute with Amaral has certainly exceeded 1,000 days and (according to some) is still unconcluded ....

It has gone to appeal, so of course it is unconcluded....??

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3828 on: December 01, 2015, 06:22:53 PM »
It has gone to appeal, so of course it is unconcluded....??

Cases take between 900-1,100 days to conclude (meaning with all appeals heard and a definitive conclusion finally reached).

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3829 on: December 01, 2015, 06:24:54 PM »
The reason being AN IT SYSTEM fail...

" the launch of the new CITIUS court case processing system failed spectacularly on take-off and remained inoperable for 44 days, while the media reported on recrimination, back-biting and zero progress in clearing the backlog of cases built up from years of inefficiency and official indifference".

The same can be said for our own 'justice' system and the NHS partnerships all f***ked; Due to over paid IT staff who have not got A clue.

So there you have it folks... none of this has hampered the search for Maddie OR interfered with the running of Kate N Gerrys  (Illness brought on by a book).

Nice try guys... nice try.
Yes, the IT system make a poor system worse.  Try reading the article properly. 

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3830 on: December 01, 2015, 06:39:03 PM »
Cases take between 900-1,100 days to conclude (meaning with all appeals heard and a definitive conclusion finally reached).

Well obviously there is something about this case that is taking double the amount of time....

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3831 on: December 01, 2015, 06:40:42 PM »
Well obviously there is something about this case that is taking double the amount of time....

Amaral's prevarications and delays?

Possibly ...

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3832 on: December 01, 2015, 06:47:20 PM »
Amaral's prevarications and delays?

Possibly ...

Yes of course, or the plaintiffs' trying to strike an out of court settlement...possibly!

Offline Jean-Pierre

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« Reply #3833 on: December 01, 2015, 07:24:43 PM »
Yes of course, or the plaintiffs' trying to strike an out of court settlement...possibly!

the majority of civil cases are settled out of court.  Trying to reach agreement without court action is strongly encouraged as it speeds up the process and does not use valuable court time. 

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3834 on: December 01, 2015, 07:29:35 PM »
the majority of civil cases are settled out of court.  Trying to reach agreement without court action is strongly encouraged as it speeds up the process and does not use valuable court time.

But in itself a delaying mechanism, and more so if it fails

Offline misty

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« Reply #3835 on: December 01, 2015, 07:33:41 PM »
the majority of civil cases are settled out of court.  Trying to reach agreement without court action is strongly encouraged as it speeds up the process and does not use valuable court time.

That is precisely the course of action recommended by the judge in the case of the action brought against New Order by one of its former band members.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12025791/Blue-Monday-for-New-Order-as-Peter-Hook-sues-them-for-many-millions-of-pounds.html


Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3836 on: December 01, 2015, 07:48:36 PM »
That is precisely the course of action recommended by the judge in the case of the action brought against New Order by one of its former band members.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12025791/Blue-Monday-for-New-Order-as-Peter-Hook-sues-them-for-many-millions-of-pounds.html

And the crux of the question really is, what are the Mccans doing with all the millions they have made and hoping to make....there is no way way they are all being spent directly on "search fees" as Gerald tells the world.....he must think we are all mugs

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3837 on: December 01, 2015, 08:21:58 PM »
And the crux of the question really is, what are the Mccans doing with all the millions they have made and hoping to make....there is no way way they are all being spent directly on "search fees" as Gerald tells the world.....he must think we are all mugs

According to last published figures, spent 76% of it.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3838 on: December 01, 2015, 08:35:42 PM »
According to last published figures, spent 76% of it.

Isn't it great to be able to check on published figures (nearly time for the agitation of the lateness of publication of this year's is it not?)

One thing certain sure ... we won't have any problems worrying about the publication of Mr Amaral's accounts.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3839 on: December 01, 2015, 08:39:00 PM »
According to last published figures, spent 76% of it.

That cannot possibly be right, not on any month of sundays!!