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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Admin on April 02, 2012, 06:28:48 PM

Title: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 02, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Poppy Ann Miller     ....................    Profile: Psychosomatic Counsellor and Healer. Working with dreams and pre-cognition.

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Essex UK

Justice4Jeremy-Evidence of Collusion

Much of the tainting of Jeremy Bamber’s trial was conducted around a second sound moderator (gun silencer) which was introduced by Jeremy’s relatives over a month after the crime was committed.  Instead of questioning this sudden appearance Essex Police and others chose instead, to collude with it.
Documents intended for Public Interest Immunity (PII) were ‘inadvertently’ sent to Jeremy.  PII is a principle of common law under which English courts can grant an Order allowing one litigant to keep evidence from the sight of the other litigants if they consider disclosure to be damaging to public interest.  So it is clear that the plan was for these documents to be buried, safely out-of-sight, intended never to see the light-of-day

Jeremy’s most recent eight page letter to me provides an in-depth account of what he has found within these documents.  Jeremy’s letters are handwritten.  He writes in detail including reference and exhibit numbers revealing proof of what he has always maintained – his innocence.  Details of documents which evidence beyond dispute the existence of two sound moderators and the ‘losing’, editing and re-writing of crucial evidence.  Jeremy has given me permission to reveal his entire letter and the corruption of documents which he has discovered.  I shall not record it all here though will forward relevant information to the City of London Police (COLP), the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) and the Home Secretary.

For those of us who believe that the administrators of justice in our so-called Great Britain, would not comprehend such malpractice and deceit, Jeremy states on more than one occasion, ‘I have the documents to prove it’.

The following are direct quotes from Jeremy’s letter and for brevity I have paraphrased others.

‘COLP (City of London Police) discovered that Glynis Howard and her assistant Leslie Tucker; John Hayward and his assistant, Andrew Palmer; Brian Elliott and his assistant, Louise Float and Malcolm Fletcher all signed a set of falsified documents for a second sound moderator to create a chain of evidence paper trail capable of deceiving the jury and it did.......I have their lab notes.’
‘They(sound moderators) are both the same, Parker-Hale MM1 type and someone simply took SBJ/1 out of its cardboard tube packaging and slipped in DB/1 that had been contaminated with red paint from the scene.
‘And in any event they admitted this to COLP in 1991 but COLP and Essex Police just covered it up under PII.  John Hayward took photos of SBJ/1 on 12th Sept ’85, well him and his assistant Andrew Palmer, COLP showed these photos to Brian Elliott in 1991 and asked, “Is that the same sound moderator you examined?” 

Elliott replied indicating that he did not accept it could be the same one and provides an explanation as to why that is the case, including a description of how the sound moderator he examined differed from the one in the photo in relation to the positioning of red paint on it.

‘Everyone examined the sound moderator under a  microscope as well as by eye and it’s clear that the first one SBJ/1 had blood on it and this smear of red paint and the second one DB/1 was switched with SBJ/1 after being sent to the lab on 20/Sept/85.’
‘I can prove every word of the above – I have all the PII primary documents showing exactly how my relatives and Essex Police and the forensic scientists at Huntingdon and COLP and PCA (now the IPCC) all worked together to either directly corrupt the sound moderator evidence or actively assisted in concealing that Essex Police found SBJ/1 and it was switched between 20th and 25th Sept ’85 at Huntingdon Forensic Laboratory with DB/1 that had been used to scratch and score the kitchen mantle shelf at White House Farm to falsely implicate me as a murderer. ....I have the documents showing that it was.......These are the document references: Exhibit signed by Glynis Howard, Malcolm Fletched, John Hayward and Brian Elliott:- ‘Police Crime Number’ SC/786/85, ‘Description of Article ‘Silencer’ DB/1, crossed out, and DRB/1 in brackets:- Serial Number 22, as the identification marker.’

Jeremy has no doubt that lawyers, judiciary as well as the Home Office must have known about this; and what about the media?  Considering the damage much of the press did in promulgating biased views, influencing public opinion through their coverage of Jeremy’s case, I wonder if they will attempt to compensate in some small way by publishing this evidence?  The truth!  Though I appreciate it might be difficult for them to recognise the truth 'even if it jumped up and bit them in the face!'.
I feel it reprehensible that those to whom we look for justice would rather lie and deceive than admit they were wrong.  That those who set themselves up in public office as upholders of the 'Law', can collude to send an innocent man to prison and then leave him there for TWENTY FIVE YEARS rather than face up to their own shortcomings.
It doesn’t bear thinking about and maybe some people would rather not think about the enormity of the true crime here.  Heartbreaking.
I do not believe there is a Heaven for the just and a Hell for the unjust but for one brief moment there I wished there were!


Posted by Poppy Ann Miller on twitter 8 October 2011

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Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: insider on April 02, 2012, 06:29:57 PM
I ask the question,  "What does Poppy Miller know of Jeremy Bamber's trial."


The answer to this is zilch.   Poppy Miller did not attend the trial and relies on information provided by Jeremy Bamber and Jackie Preece to name but two.  If Poppy Miller wants to be taken seriously I believe she should seek out original documents and in particular the transcript of the trial.  Oh I forgot, it has mysteriously disappeared from the Bamber Camp.

If Poppy Miller wishes to be a mouthpiece for Jeremy Bamber so be it but do us all a favour and say so.  Please don't make out that any of the above post is original thinking because it just won't wash Polly.

If you wish to go public so be it but be warned they are making a mug out of you too!
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Mr Justice K on April 02, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
It looks very like the Bamber Forum is about to implode what with all the revelations which have been posted lately.  If I were Jeremy Bamber i would be very worried since so many so called supporters have ultimately let him down so badly.


That's Life as Ester would say.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: piece on April 02, 2012, 06:32:02 PM
This is a key point. There was a letter on the forum from Bamber to Tesko asking Tesko to stop posting and go quiet in public. I wonder what Bamber feels about how the forum has continued since then?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 02, 2012, 06:32:54 PM
It looks very like the Bamber Forum is about to implode what with all the revelations which have been posted lately.  If I were Jeremy Bamber i would be very worried since so many so called supporters have ultimately let him down so badly.


That's Life as Ester would say.

This is a key point. There was a letter on the forum from Bamber to Tesko asking Tesko to stop posting and go quiet in public. I wonder what Bamber feels about how the forum has continued since then?

Well I take some responsibility for challenging them at ever juncture but they ultimately banned me because they could not answer my probing questions.

As a former investigator I can usually tell if someone is trying to pull the wool over.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 02, 2012, 06:42:01 PM
It looks very like the Bamber Forum is about to implode what with all the revelations which have been posted lately.  If I were Jeremy Bamber i would be very worried since so many so called supporters have ultimately let him down so badly.


That's Life as Ester would say.

This is a key point. There was a letter on the forum from Bamber to Tesko asking Tesko to stop posting and go quiet in public. I wonder what Bamber feels about how the forum has continued since then?

Well I take some responsibility for challenging them at ever juncture but they ultimately banned me because they could not answer my probing questions.

As a former investigator I can usually tell if someone is trying to pull the wool over.


If we remember correctly you did the same on the Mitchell forum John and eventually got to the point where they banned you because you had revealed their Achilles heel.

That was quite funny at the time.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 02, 2012, 06:43:02 PM
It looks very like the Bamber Forum is about to implode what with all the revelations which have been posted lately.  If I were Jeremy Bamber i would be very worried since so many so called supporters have ultimately let him down so badly.


That's Life as Ester would say.


We reckon that Bamber was scared in case Tesko went too far and by the looks of things this has happened.  His credibility is shell shocked now.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 02, 2012, 06:44:28 PM
The Case for Innocence by Robin Cox, Researcher

Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is Innocent!

I have known Jeremy for some years now and I have seen a lot of evidence in his case. Of course on reading compelling evidence what ran through my mind was “Just because evidence was fabricated it doesn’t mean he is innocent.” Indeed some would suggest that the police and witnesses really believed he was guilty and just helped justice along with a bit of “Noble cause corruption”.

Here I am going to talk about some points which I believe are valid when arguing the case for Jeremy’s innocence.  These things convinced me along with the number of call logs which show that Sheila was in conversation with police.

Sheila Caffell’s blood was still well at 10:20am when the photographs were taken

If Jeremy had killed Sheila he had to have done it between midnight and 3am. Why then does this picture (and others) show her blood wet at this time? When we die, ‘livor mortis’ sets in within a few hours, the blood coagulates. Do Essex Police expect us to believe that Sheila had been bleeding for almost seven and a half hours?

If Jeremy is innocent – why did Essex Police become involved in fabricating evidence?

Firstly the police failed to notice that Sheila Caffell was alive in the kitchen when they broke down the door, they didn’t check her properly before going upstairs. They could have saved her life. I believe this is why they drafted in officers to train them on how they could have carried out the operation much better thus saving her life and saving Jeremy his life in prison.

Secondly, Robert Boutflour and his children Ann Eaton and David Boutflour kept hounding Inspector Jones who threw them out of his office three times. Unknowingly Jeremy Bamber stood to inherit half of their farms - their homes and livelihoods. Documents uncovered recently show that Nevill secretly owned 50% of Ann & Peter Eaton’s farm and not even June Bamber knew. Unaware of how much he would now inherit, (as were the jury) Jeremy was the now the sole beneficiary of his mother’s share of inheritance from her own mother’s estate and she was very elderly (dying before Bamber was convicted). Jeremy also owned 750 shares of the Caravan park equally with Ann Eaton. His mother June and her sister Pamela owned the rest. Jeremy would have inherited from his mother and been the major shareholder of the caravan park (which brought in a healthy income). So now my point is, the relatives would not ‘give this up’ maybe they didn’t know the police had mucked it up, or perhaps they were already aware of the dire situation where the police carried out training exercises as they were on friendly terms with some police officers. Ann Eaton said herself in a statment that a police officer told her Sheila and June were found on the bed and that Sheila had the bible on her chest and the gun by her side. Which was not the prosecution's case at all. Did this give the family leverage in their arguments with Assistant Chief Inspector Simpson? The relatives didn’t like Jeremy, whom they called ‘Cuckoo’ on account of both he and Sheila being adopted but I won’t digress into that here.

When Robert Boutflour (now deceased) was unsatisfied with Inspector Jones and went to see Assistant Chief Constable Simpson, the case was turned into a murder investigation. I believe Simpson knew that Boutflour was NOT giving this one up and that the truth about the bungled raid and training exercises would come out. There are a catalogue of edited police statements, action reports, crime scene pictures with the gun in different places on the body of Sheila Caffell.

Coroner’s verdict

Why did the coroner not question the facts at the time? Seems very odd to me, if the police broke into the house and Sheila had the gun lying on her like (vertically) that then it would have been obvious to anyone that it was rigged up. It is fact that Sheila was either standing or sitting when both shots went into her the blood ran down her right side to her leg. The gun would have dropped to the floor and not been resting on her vertically in my opinion.

Public Interest Immunity Documents

Essex Police have placed a large amount of documents under PII from two police enquiries into the handling of the case, more on that if you are interested. But this is the ‘slippery’ point from 7th August to 7th Sept the case was treated as a Murder-suicide and these documents (apart from about 5%) have NEVER been released. On 7th Sept Police assigned a new case number and it is this case number that HAS been fully disclosed to the defence. There are whole pages missing/edited from the police logs there were 3 logs recorded at the time. Police officers arrived and didn’t leave and there are too many discrepancies. Why don’t Essex Police disclose ALL the documents from the original investigation showing they were not talking to anyone in the house? They would save themselves from a lot of continued embarrassment and aggravation if they showed the whole original log. I put it that they were talking to someone in the house and this was Sheila Caffell, she was alive there is no question in my mind.

“Siege situation”

A number of police statements report a siege situation, this strongly suggests that Sheila was alive in the house and they had it surrounded that is what a siege is! The firearms team arrived at 5am and broke into the house at 7.34– so why did they spend two and a half hours sitting in darkness with nothing happening and no signs of life. This strongly suggests to me that Sheila was alive and they were trying to talk her out. Jeremy was kept away from the house he didn’t know what was going on he was right back in a police car with uniformed officers.

Sound Moderator & Silencer

The family were all shot at close range, within three feet. Sheila couldn’t have missed! Nevertheless, a silencer is what it says but they are illegal in this country because they silence gun fire to the human ear. A sound moderator (which is called mistakenly, a silencer) is usually used for shooting rabbits it doesn’t make much difference to the sound of the human ear and but rabbits hear the ‘sonic boom’ or something which frightens them and they run before the bullet gets to them. So suggesting that Jeremy used one to make a difference to the sound of the gun in the house is unrealistic. Jeremy left the gun without the moderator on it that night before he left the farm to go home after working. An Anshultz rifle is about as loud as a hand clap, anyhow so this is another reason why Sheila got round the house without too much disturbance.

Two shots to Sheila

The coroner of course thought there was no problem with there being two bullet wounds to Sheila. The first one went into her neck and broke apart in the tissue. She would have been able to stand up and walk about for a while, no question. The second shot went into her brain it killed her instantly. Why would Gresham’s educated Bamber think he was going pass it off as a suicide when she had two bullet wounds? If he had mucked it up as the prosecution stated, then why did he not sit and wait for her to die, or hope that she might? Why make up this convoluted story about the phone call?

Sheila was no match for Nevill

There was some kind of scuffle in the kitchen.  Sheila was slight about 9 stone I think and 5ft 10, but there was no reason why she couldn’t have handled the gun to bash Nevill in the head with the butt. He had been shot at least 4 times, if not 7 or 8 by the time these wounds were inflicted. A woman could easily have done this especially one in a psychotic episode.

Bicycle – times

I haven’t studied a lot on this but I was reading a statement the other day about the tests carried out to see how Bamber shot the family and got back in time to his house.  Every part of the road was accounted for, no witnesses saw Jeremy or anyone like him and his car remained outside his house. So how did he do it? It is a 10 minute drive I believe. They said he walked across fields, got there, shot the family, somehow locking the house from the inside as it was totally secure. And then he got on his mothers bicycle IN THE DARK and cycled across bumpy fields and along the sea wall back to his cottage. What a load of rubbish! This would have taken 35 minutes I believe. So how did he make the call at WHF pretending to be his father (I understand the police exchange records the number in those days) or forcing his father to make the call? Get on his mothers bicycle and get back to Goldhanger and call the police? The call from Nevill was made at 3:26 and they despatched a car to the scene on receiving this call at 3:35, the call from Jeremy was recorded at 3:36.  If these calls were one in the same which has been argued (simply copies of each other – but they weren’t, they were rolling documents with big differences) How did they despatch a car a minute before Jeremy’s call?

The figure in the window

When Jeremy first arrived from his house in Goldhanger he met the two police officers, (then another arrived). They walked around the house outside. Jeremy says there was a light on in the main bedroom and he Myall and Bews saw a figure move in the window. The police fobbed this off at trial as a trick of the light, saying the light in the window wasn’t on. So Sgt Bews, who has told different stories to different newspapers which conflict with the story he told in court, (and there are a number of transcripts) called out the firearms team because he saw a reflection of the moon? (which was rising on the other side of the house) and so far he has said, it was a fault in the glass – at trial, and a trick of the light, he said things like ‘we checked and it was nothing’.’ How did he check? In a recent interview his story shifted once again. According to their statements (obviously altered, Jeremy and the two officers came running back to the control car and then Bews called for the firearms team. Why did they run? And who was the ‘unident’ male that PC Myall reported?

It seems to me that Sgt Bews would say anything to a newspaper for a quick buck. It is interesting that people who often appear in newspapers attacking Jeremy are paid for their story and yet those who work and fight for Jeremy’s freedom do so free of cost with no financial gain to themselves.

No forensic evidence linking Jeremy to the crime

They tested the bicycle for blood – nothing. They found no evidence of the crime when they went to his house.  The rusty blade that was supposed to have been used to force the window was found by the relatives, (who inherited the fortune on Jeremy’s conviction) as was the bicycle, and the moderator.

No finger prints on the gun

There was only one print from Sheila, and one print from Jeremy. He had been out to shoot rabbits unsuccessfully and he left the gun on the settle in the scullery. Farmers used to (and still do) leave guns all round the house. Nevill was NOT (contrary to popular belief) careful, there was a gun in almost every room ready to grab to take out and shoot rabbits and the such like. The crime scene photos show there were guns all over the house.

Anshultz Rifle

This is my own opinion that if Jeremy was a clever, cold, calculating murderer who premeditated the crime as the prosecution state I don’t think he would have done it this way. For arguments sake if it was me and I was going to blow my family away, I would use a shotgun and be sure they were dead.  I don’t know if you know ANYTHING about guns but I didn’t before I got involved in this. (Apologies if my explanation is a bit rudimentary). An Annshultz has a little single pellet about the size of my little fingernail. Why would Jeremy use a gun like that and not one of the shotguns with great big two inch bullets that are full of lead to blast them quickly and easily?

Sheila grew up on a farm, she knew how to use guns, but she was irrational and very, very sick there is absolutely no question of that – I believe that she grabbed the nearest gun to hand and used it. Rubbish about her long finger nails making it difficult just doesn’t cut the mustard. Why didn’t Jeremy (supposedly a crack shot) shoot Nevill first – If I had planned a murder like that I would have had to gun down the man first he was the greatest threat.  They don’t know really which order they died, but one thing is for sure June and the twins were shot quickly but Nevill must have ran, why not kill him first and quickly?

Blood in the Moderator

The two moderators are a complex issue and I won’t go into that here, either way the moderator that was examined at trial had two types of animal blood in it and one human (but the jury weren’t told about the animal blood). They couldn’t get enough blood to group it (no DNA then) but they found that it had the AK1 enzyme in it. Many animals, including rabbits have the AK1 enzyme in their blood. AK1 is also present in SOME humans, not all. But it was present in Sheila’s blood group. (And incidentally the Boutfours too!)

At the 2002 appeal, Bamber’s own forensic scientist testified that they couldn’t get any of Sheila’s DNA from the inside of the moderator during the swabs. (Her natural mother gave samples to make a profile as Essex Police threw away all the DNA evidence in ‘96)  He testified that there was NO DNA from Sheila and the prosecution didn’t refute this, which is why Jeremy’s camp ‘thought it was in the bag’ but then the Forensic scientist admitted in court that just because there was no DNA in the inside baffle plates now, it doesn’t mean that there NEVER was any. It could just be that the scientists previously had ‘swabbed’ it all away. And that’s one of the reasons why the appeal was lost.

Julie Mugford

Julie testified that Jeremy hired a hit man with a cast iron alibi, she never said he killed his family himself. Why did he cheat on her if she knew what he had done? How did she go to bed at night with him knowing what he had done? Why did she have 32 interviews with police before she rustled up the story of the hit man? Julie’s story doesn’t convince me and I wonder how it managed to convince anyone. What I have seen of her she appears monotone, dull but from what we know of her I doubt she was afraid of Jeremy and if she had the opportunity to be free of him why did she take such a long time?  Julie was a working class girl. She must have thought all her Christmases had come at one when she met with Jeremy, rich, intelligent, good looking, well educated the envy of every man. He could have had any woman he wanted and she knew that. She must have felt lucky to have been the chosen one.

Julie she was doing an MA at university to be a teacher.  She had committed cheque book fraud with her friend by reporting it stolen and going on a spree with her friend. There are statements showing that she would have immunity from prosecution over this matter if she testified against Jeremy and if she didn’t she would have a criminal record and never be the teacher she wanted to be. She is now head teacher at a school in Canada. Jeremy cheated on Julie with her friend, he admits it’s true. Julie also claimed Jeremy was bisexual and this was used in evidence against him. Why on earth would anyone tell their girlfriend they were going to do those killings and not make her his alibi? Why did he cheat on her with her own best mate? Surely it would have been his priority to keep her sweet? Julie also said in other statements that she had hired a solicitor to handle the press offering her money for her story, she raked in a cool 25k on Jeremy's conviction (worth a lot more in 1985 than by today's standards) from the News of the World. Julie Mugford, I am convinced personally that she was a liar who was driven by money to carry out her testimony against Jeremy.

Lie Detector

I have heard that these are now used to check people don’t break parole so they are about 95% reliable. Why would Bamber make requests for a number of years to take one if he was a liar. The risk would be too great. It is argued that Psychopaths can pass these tests as they have no conscience. Jeremy has been tested for psychopathy 27 times since being charged with murder and not one psychologist has found him to be a psychopath or have any mental illness either. And remember Jeremy can support every word with evidence.

Why protest your innocence for so long?

Conditions in prison are much better if you admit your crime and go on rehabilitation programmes. Eventually you are downgraded from Category A through the system and released. Why not just ‘be one’ with the other prisoners be ‘a hard murdering criminal like them’ I am sure Jeremy has not had a great time in prison because he claims innocence. The other prisoners must hate that. There is no chance of parole for Jeremy even if the European Court put the tariff back down, it is unlikely that he would get parole because he has not admitted the crime and carried out the workshops which are designed to stop people re-offending. Why does he work so hard on his case, tedious painstaking work, when he could just put his feet up? He churns out a lot of evidence, so do other people who work for him.

On a personal note

Jeremy has kept friends from before prison and is able to build friendships at all levels. He is a smart resilient man. I have spoken to him on the phone and at length for many, hours about his case over a number of years, I have met him and chatted to him and so have many other people. He never trips up – never, because he is telling the truth. Have you ever tried to lie to someone, and then you forget and you mess up? I don’t believe it’s possible to lie to the extent that he would have to if he was guilty, he would have to be super human. And he is not that, he is an ordinary man in an extraordinary situation that’s all. I wouldn’t have wasted my professional time on a man I couldn’t be sure was innocent, nor would I continue to be his friend.  I don’t work for Jeremy any longer but I know people that do and they feel the same way as I did when I worked for him.

My conclusion is that he is simply just telling the truth. Whether it’s enough to convince you or not I don’t know, but I wonder why it is that the most simple explanation is the hardest to believe?

Robin Cox


http://bamberjeremy.blogspot.com/p/robin-cox-researcher.html
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: invictus on April 02, 2012, 06:45:38 PM
Robin Cox your story is just that; the same old story Everything you mention has been tested in law at the trial or in the appeal courts and the CCRC appeal applications. And Bamber's latest application will be thrown out for good in the next few weeks.

Nice of you to speak so highly of Bamber The Beast baring in mind that he admits to burglarising his family business, growing and dealing in drugs and he tried to sell private pornographic photos of Sheila to The Sun after he has blown all his dead parents ready cash .
According to Bamber she killed herself and her twins and he still tried to sell those photos? What a s..mbag.

Each point you make is easily answered but too time consuming; I will leave you with what the CCRC said upon rejecting Bamber's last application: quote: 'The more we have investigated this case the more convinced we are that the original trial verdict is sound!'.

Enough said!
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 02, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
It looks very like the Bamber Forum is about to implode what with all the revelations which have been posted lately.  If I were Jeremy Bamber i would be very worried since so many so called supporters have ultimately let him down so badly.


That's Life as Ester would say.

The entire forum is just Mike Tesko's vanity project, look at the handful of dafties who still take him seriously as he blithers on.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 03, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
Packagebuilder sounds a lot like Smiffy who sounds a lot like Mike Tesco. Has anyone else noticed? Why would Mike Tesko pretend to be other people?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on April 03, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Packagebuilder sounds a lot like Smiffy who sounds a lot like Mike Tesco. Has anyone else noticed? Why would Mike Tesko pretend to be other people?


Well spotted smokey.  That is the way Tesko works you see.  Basically it is the only way he can get anyone to agree with his propaganda is to chatter away to himself as he does regularly.  That ITV documentary was his last throw of the dice and it failed to impress.  In effect it has damaged Jeremy Bambers case so much that imo it cannot recover. 
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on April 03, 2012, 02:37:16 PM
On the subject of Bamber supporters does anyone know anything about these idiots Maria Perez and Joanna Tew?  Someone said they worked as part of the campaign team.  Another pair of deluded groupies one supposes?? 
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 03, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
Hi David. I saw the documentary, if I hadn't of read about it on The Bamber Forum I would have thought it was anti-Bamber.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 03, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
Hi David. I saw the documentary, if I hadn't of read about it on The Bamber Forum I would have thought it was anti-Bamber.


The title of the programme should have been changed to reflect the unproven subject matter contained within the programme. New evidence just doesn't cut it.  I fear it was a disaster as far as the Bamberistas were concerned, no wonder the aftermath was marked by such an anticlimax.  I think everyone thought that McKay had actually managed to prove something of crucial importance. 
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: goatboy on April 03, 2012, 08:04:30 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but it does seem that Bamber is very good at winning people over and has an intense charisma that really seems to draw people in such as Poppy Ann Miller, Robin Cox and of course Mike Tesko. Could this be a sign that he is very adept at manipulating people? And at Tesko Towers they wonder why Julie Mugford stayed quiet for so long before going to the police-what a wrench it must have been to break free from him.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: abs on April 03, 2012, 09:23:15 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but it does seem that Bamber is very good at winning people over and has an intense charisma that really seems to draw people in such as Poppy Ann Miller, Robin Cox and of course Mike Tesko. Could this be a sign that he is very adept at manipulating people? And at Tesko Towers they wonder why Julie Mugford stayed quiet for so long before going to the police-what a wrench it must have been to break free from him.

After having been at the morgue to identify the whole family, including two murdered six year olds, does it make sense that she stayed with him for one friggin split-second? He can have all the charisma in the universe, that does not make sense at all.
In the documentary she says that she was not afraid of him, on the contrary, HE became afraid of HER! How does that make sense after she had seen his alledged victims?
Let me put it politely; I don't understand Julie Mugford!
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 03, 2012, 10:47:04 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but it does seem that Bamber is very good at winning people over and has an intense charisma that really seems to draw people in such as Poppy Ann Miller, Robin Cox and of course Mike Tesko. Could this be a sign that he is very adept at manipulating people? And at Tesko Towers they wonder why Julie Mugford stayed quiet for so long before going to the police-what a wrench it must have been to break free from him.

After having been at the morgue to identify the whole family, including two murdered six year olds, does it make sense that she stayed with him for one friggin split-second? He can have all the charisma in the universe, that does not make sense at all.
In the documentary she says that she was not afraid of him, on the contrary, HE became afraid of HER! How does that make sense after she had seen his alledged victims?
Let me put it politely; I don't understand Julie Mugford!


What she meant abs was that Jeremy became afraid of her when he realised that she was not going to be his lap-dog any more.  She then realised quite quickly that if he was afraid of her then her chances of a long life were diminishing by the day. It isn't surprising that she didn't go with him and Brett to the south of France, she knew that she would probably never come back.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: abs on April 04, 2012, 12:53:25 AM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but it does seem that Bamber is very good at winning people over and has an intense charisma that really seems to draw people in such as Poppy Ann Miller, Robin Cox and of course Mike Tesko. Could this be a sign that he is very adept at manipulating people? And at Tesko Towers they wonder why Julie Mugford stayed quiet for so long before going to the police-what a wrench it must have been to break free from him.

After having been at the morgue to identify the whole family, including two murdered six year olds, does it make sense that she stayed with him for one friggin split-second? He can have all the charisma in the universe, that does not make sense at all.
In the documentary she says that she was not afraid of him, on the contrary, HE became afraid of HER! How does that make sense after she had seen his alledged victims?
Let me put it politely; I don't understand Julie Mugford!


What she meant abs was that Jeremy became afraid of her when he realised that she was not going to be his lap-dog any more.  She then realised quite quickly that if he was afraid of her then her chances of a long life were diminishing by the day. It isn't surprising that she didn't go with him and Brett to the south of France, she knew that she would probably never come back.

She was not afraid of him after seeing with her own eyes what he alledgedly had done to his family? Not disgusted? She could sleep with him!!
So you are saying, John, that she went to the police because she was afraid for her own life - but she didn´t give a hoot about the murdered family, as long as she herself felt safe? She didn´t think that Colin Caffelll needed to know that the mother of his children had not killed them. She went to the funeral and put on an act.
I find it all a tad odd.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 04, 2012, 12:56:45 AM
Abs, in a lot of ways, you're totally right. I've always had a problem with JM identifying the bodies, and with members of the family moving into WHF with small children. What did you make of JM's diaries?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 04, 2012, 03:24:00 AM
She was not afraid of him after seeing with her own eyes what he alledgedly had done to his family? Not disgusted? She could sleep with him!!
So you are saying, John, that she went to the police because she was afraid for her own life - but she didn´t give a hoot about the murdered family, as long as she herself felt safe? She didn´t think that Colin Caffelll needed to know that the mother of his children had not killed them. She went to the funeral and put on an act.
I find it all a tad odd.

You must remember that Jeremy attempted to distance himself from the crime, from having blood on his own hands, by blaming McDonald.  I believe Jeremy knew that Julie would react badly if she believed that he had carried out the act with his own hands.

I am not saying that Julie is blameless because she must take responsibility for her part in it. She walked away with a full hand I agree but she did so by telling the truth.  Ultimately, she did not murder the family and I believe she honestly was of the belief that Jeremy would not do what he threatened for so many months. Julie may have come across as strong but in the weeks following the murders she crumbled to the extent that she had to tell someone. When frustrations turned to violence in Sheila's Maida Vale flat that fateful afternoon, she had no choice, she had to go to the police, the rest as they say, is history.

I do agree that it was odd that Julie Mugford had to identify the remains at the mortuary.  That was a job for Robert Boutflour or some other senior member of the family.  I know that Ann went with Julie but I wonder did she go in?  I do also agree it was somewhat callous given the knowledge she had of prior events.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 04, 2012, 10:56:01 AM
that Nick one over at the asylum is a sound bloke, putting little dave rochford in his place. dave should remember that the wet blood photos have been disproved, and so have the logs showing one dead female. Don't leave him with much, just a dodgy lie detector that any chav can fiddle.   8@??)(
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: abs on April 04, 2012, 11:30:42 AM
Abs, in a lot of ways, you're totally right. I've always had a problem with JM identifying the bodies, and with members of the family moving into WHF with small children. What did you make of JM's diaries?

Shona, I haven´t read the diaries - didn´t even know they existted. Do you know where I can find them?
I agree, WHF must have been a scary place for children to grow up in after the murders. Not many understand that the family could/can live there. Ann Eaton comes across to me as a practical, no nonsense type woman - maybe she didn´t have the imagination to see that it would be tough on her kids. I don´t know.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 04, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Abs, in a lot of ways, you're totally right. I've always had a problem with JM identifying the bodies, and with members of the family moving into WHF with small children. What did you make of JM's diaries?

Shona, I haven´t read the diaries - didn´t even know they existted. Do you know where I can find them?
I agree, WHF must have been a scary place for children to grow up in after the murders. Not many understand that the family could/can live there. Ann Eaton comes across to me as a practical, no nonsense type woman - maybe she didn´t have the imagination to see that it would be tough on her kids. I don´t know.

You must have a read through them abs so we will reinstate them slowly staring right now.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: abs on April 04, 2012, 09:01:20 PM
TU, Admin.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: goatboy on April 05, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
Thanks, admin, they are fascinating-so if we are to believe Julie lied in court then we must also believe she created all those diaries to back up her lies as well. It's theoretically possible but I don't believe it for a minute.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Admin on April 07, 2012, 07:29:50 PM
On the subject of Bamber supporters does anyone know anything about these idiots Maria Perez and Joanna Tew?  Someone said they worked as part of the campaign team.  Another pair of deluded groupies one supposes??

Perez better watch out or she might be deported as an undesirable.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: emilybronte on April 08, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Tesco has celebrated this Easter weekend over at the funny farm, by comparing Bamber to Christ .  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 08, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
Tesco has celebrated this Easter weekend over at the funny farm, by comparing Bamber to Christ .  8-)(--)

There is no answer to that without offending somebody.  Maybe Tesko is going to take his case up as well?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 08, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Tesco has celebrated this Easter weekend over at the funny farm, by comparing Bamber to Christ .  8-)(--)

There is no answer to that without offending somebody.  Maybe Tesko is going to take his case up as well?

They are seriously scraping the barrel now. Bring on that decision!   8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on April 08, 2012, 08:08:52 PM
jacie has ben vey furrous toda becuas eveybode thinks her flim is pants but she cheared up a bit whn i remeynedid her tht mr invinctus is on hs way home from skiiiiiiiiiiing.she hops he has brort her a prezunt
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on April 08, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
jacie has ben vey furrous toda becuas eveybode thinks her flim is pants but she cheared up a bit whn i remeynedid her tht mr invinctus is on hs way home from skiiiiiiiiiiing.she hops he has brort her a prezunt

I'm sure Tim will be back refreshed and raring to go.  Tell Jackie not to be to disappointed about the CCRC, it had to come to an end eventually just as David predicted on the ITV programme.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 10, 2019, 06:16:53 PM
Poppy Ann Miller     ....................    Profile: Psychosomatic Counsellor and Healer. Working with dreams and pre-cognition.

(http://i.imgur.com/5jCP0.jpg)

 
Essex UK

Justice4Jeremy-Evidence of Collusion

Much of the tainting of Jeremy Bamber’s trial was conducted around a second sound moderator (gun silencer) which was introduced by Jeremy’s relatives over a month after the crime was committed.  Instead of questioning this sudden appearance Essex Police and others chose instead, to collude with it.
Documents intended for Public Interest Immunity (PII) were ‘inadvertently’ sent to Jeremy.  PII is a principle of common law under which English courts can grant an Order allowing one litigant to keep evidence from the sight of the other litigants if they consider disclosure to be damaging to public interest.  So it is clear that the plan was for these documents to be buried, safely out-of-sight, intended never to see the light-of-day

Jeremy’s most recent eight page letter to me provides an in-depth account of what he has found within these documents.  Jeremy’s letters are handwritten.  He writes in detail including reference and exhibit numbers revealing proof of what he has always maintained – his innocence.  Details of documents which evidence beyond dispute the existence of two sound moderators and the ‘losing’, editing and re-writing of crucial evidence.  Jeremy has given me permission to reveal his entire letter and the corruption of documents which he has discovered.  I shall not record it all here though will forward relevant information to the City of London Police (COLP), the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) and the Home Secretary.

For those of us who believe that the administrators of justice in our so-called Great Britain, would not comprehend such malpractice and deceit, Jeremy states on more than one occasion, ‘I have the documents to prove it’.

The following are direct quotes from Jeremy’s letter and for brevity I have paraphrased others.

‘COLP (City of London Police) discovered that Glynis Howard and her assistant Leslie Tucker; John Hayward and his assistant, Andrew Palmer; Brian Elliott and his assistant, Louise Float and Malcolm Fletcher all signed a set of falsified documents for a second sound moderator to create a chain of evidence paper trail capable of deceiving the jury and it did.......I have their lab notes.’
‘They(sound moderators) are both the same, Parker-Hale MM1 type and someone simply took SBJ/1 out of its cardboard tube packaging and slipped in DB/1 that had been contaminated with red paint from the scene.
‘And in any event they admitted this to COLP in 1991 but COLP and Essex Police just covered it up under PII.  John Hayward took photos of SBJ/1 on 12th Sept ’85, well him and his assistant Andrew Palmer, COLP showed these photos to Brian Elliott in 1991 and asked, “Is that the same sound moderator you examined?” 

Elliott replied indicating that he did not accept it could be the same one and provides an explanation as to why that is the case, including a description of how the sound moderator he examined differed from the one in the photo in relation to the positioning of red paint on it.

‘Everyone examined the sound moderator under a  microscope as well as by eye and it’s clear that the first one SBJ/1 had blood on it and this smear of red paint and the second one DB/1 was switched with SBJ/1 after being sent to the lab on 20/Sept/85.’
‘I can prove every word of the above – I have all the PII primary documents showing exactly how my relatives and Essex Police and the forensic scientists at Huntingdon and COLP and PCA (now the IPCC) all worked together to either directly corrupt the sound moderator evidence or actively assisted in concealing that Essex Police found SBJ/1 and it was switched between 20th and 25th Sept ’85 at Huntingdon Forensic Laboratory with DB/1 that had been used to scratch and score the kitchen mantle shelf at White House Farm to falsely implicate me as a murderer. ....I have the documents showing that it was.......These are the document references: Exhibit signed by Glynis Howard, Malcolm Fletched, John Hayward and Brian Elliott:- ‘Police Crime Number’ SC/786/85, ‘Description of Article ‘Silencer’ DB/1, crossed out, and DRB/1 in brackets:- Serial Number 22, as the identification marker.’

Jeremy has no doubt that lawyers, judiciary as well as the Home Office must have known about this; and what about the media?  Considering the damage much of the press did in promulgating biased views, influencing public opinion through their coverage of Jeremy’s case, I wonder if they will attempt to compensate in some small way by publishing this evidence?  The truth!  Though I appreciate it might be difficult for them to recognise the truth 'even if it jumped up and bit them in the face!'.
I feel it reprehensible that those to whom we look for justice would rather lie and deceive than admit they were wrong.  That those who set themselves up in public office as upholders of the 'Law', can collude to send an innocent man to prison and then leave him there for TWENTY FIVE YEARS rather than face up to their own shortcomings.
It doesn’t bear thinking about and maybe some people would rather not think about the enormity of the true crime here.  Heartbreaking.
I do not believe there is a Heaven for the just and a Hell for the unjust but for one brief moment there I wished there were!


Posted by Poppy Ann Miller on twitter 8 October 2011

http://poppymeze.blogspot.com/2011/10/justice4jeremy-evidence-of-collusion.html

I ask the question,  "What does Poppy Miller know of Jeremy Bamber's trial."


The answer to this is zilch.   Poppy Miller did not attend the trial and relies on information provided by Jeremy Bamber and Jackie Preece to name but two.  If Poppy Miller wants to be taken seriously I believe she should seek out original documents and in particular the transcript of the trial.  Oh I forgot, it has mysteriously disappeared from the Bamber Camp.

If Poppy Miller wishes to be a mouthpiece for Jeremy Bamber so be it but do us all a favour and say so.  Please don't make out that any of the above post is original thinking because it just won't wash Polly.

If you wish to go public so be it but be warned they are making a mug out of you too!

Caroline has re highlighted the ‘serial numbers’ on blue here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10067.msg462756.html#msg462756
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 11, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Caroline has re highlighted the ‘serial numbers’ on blue here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10067.msg462756.html#msg462756

NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?

There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.

*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?

I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on December 11, 2019, 08:01:56 PM
NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?

There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.

*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?

I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?


I find it strange -might it be telling?- that although I live only a stone's throw from where he lived after leaving Greshams, and am surrounded by friends and acquaintances of his parents, who were well liked, there is no one in the 55/60 age group who has stood up in his defence. He was at college locally and had numerous jobs in restaurants/bars. Many must have known him. In an area where everyone knows everyone, it's surprising that there's little -no- local support. Or is it? Maybe silence speaks louder than words?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 12, 2019, 01:18:59 PM

I find it strange -might it be telling?- that although I live only a stone's throw from where he lived after leaving Greshams, and am surrounded by friends and acquaintances of his parents, who were well liked, there is no one in the 55/60 age group who has stood up in his defence. He was at college locally and had numerous jobs in restaurants/bars. Many must have known him. In an area where everyone knows everyone, it's surprising that there's little -no- local support. Or is it? Maybe silence speaks louder than words?

Jeremy Bambers criminal deception knows no bounds, as is evidenced these past 3 decades plus.

”Our study is producing evidence that Innocence fraud is real”
Excerpts:
A stern warning was issued to crime laboratory administrators that some post-conviction exonerations may have been secured by innocence activists using malicious tactics, or 'innocence fraud', creating potential public safety threats as convicted felons are released from prison.

“In the mean time, Collins hopes that The Innocence Audit will open people's eyes to what goes on behind the scenes when activists are fighting to secure exonerations. "Our study is producing evidence that Innocence Fraud is real," Collins says. "But it can be corrected with education and better standards of care for post-conviction activists and litigators. The ends cannot justify the means when the means are fraudulen
t."
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/05/prweb12701214.htm

Why didn’t Bamber ever make public the documents outlining the reasons for the Criminal Cases Review Commission  previous refusals?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 20, 2019, 08:28:59 PM
NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?

There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.

*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?

I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?

From the archives:

No substance' to Bamber case claims, says QC

“Serious allegations of impropriety, dishonesty and conspiracy against police involved in the Jeremy Bamber case had "no substance whatever" to back them up, the Court of Appeal heard today.
Victor Temple QC, for the Crown, told three judges hearing Bamber's appeal against conviction for the murders of five members of his adoptive family, that once the court looked closely at the allegations "the entire edifice crumbles to nothing".

Bamber, now 41, who is serving life for the murders at White House Farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy, Essex, in August 1985, is urging the judges to overturn his convictions as "unsafe".

He claims that the case against him was built on a series of "deceits" by police and that certain evidence was withheld in order to unfairly bolster the prosecution case.

Mr Temple, rejecting the allegations on the 11th day of the hearing before Lord Justice Kay, Mr Justice Wright and Mr Justice Henriques in London, said that Bamber's counsel, Michael Turner QC "was seeking to swim in an empty sea".

He said that Mr Turner was seeking to base "very serious allegations of impropriety, dishonesty and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice" on no more than slack paperwork, double hearsay and strained constructions on documentary evidence.

Mr Temple added: "There is no substance whatever to back these allegations up."

Bamber, who is present in the dock for the hearing, regularly passed notes to his legal team.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-145437/No-substance-Bamber-case-claims-says-QC.html
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 11:08:17 AM
NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?

There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.

*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?

I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?
Plus (Courtesy of Steve UK here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6961.msg326255.html#msg326255 )

“At the committal proceedings last October counsel said he had exerted a “powerful influence” over his former girlfriend, which prevented her from coming forward to testify against him until long after the killings, even though he had told her in detail how he had carried them out. He told her how he had entered the farmhouse and the positions in which he had  left each of the bodies.”
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861029&id=HoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1812,7290130&hl=en
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
Plus (Courtesy of Steve UK here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6961.msg326255.html#msg326255 )

“At the committal proceedings last October counsel said he had exerted a “powerful influence” over his former girlfriend, which prevented her from coming forward to testify against him until long after the killings, even though he had told her in detail how he had carried them out. He told her how he had entered the farmhouse and the positions in which he had  left each of the bodies.”
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861029&id=HoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1812,7290130&hl=en

Bamber still exerts a ‘powerful influence’ over his ‘supporters’ today

PLorna Lake
@LadyLornaLake
Jan 17
Replying to
@KkeithG
Crispy was put to sleep on the vet's advice.  It was not Jeremy Bamber's decision though, in law, he had to give his consent.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LadyLornaLake/status/1218171377133457410

How did the vet become involved by the 8th August 1985?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 12:04:41 PM
Plus (Courtesy of Steve UK here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6961.msg326255.html#msg326255 )

“At the committal proceedings last October counsel said he had exerted a “powerful influence” over his former girlfriend, which prevented her from coming forward to testify against him until long after the killings, even though he had told her in detail how he had carried them out. He told her how he had entered the farmhouse and the positions in which he had  left each of the bodies.”
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861029&id=HoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1812,7290130&hl=en

Miss Mugford was closely questioned in the witness box. She told the jury that Bamber believed he should have been an actor, because he could “convince anyone of anything”
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 21, 2020, 12:07:29 PM
Bamber still exerts a ‘powerful influence’ over his ‘supporters’ today

PLorna Lake
@LadyLornaLake
Jan 17
Replying to
@KkeithG
Crispy was put to sleep on the vet's advice.  It was not Jeremy Bamber's decision though, in law, he had to give his consent.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LadyLornaLake/status/1218171377133457410 (https://mobile.twitter.com/LadyLornaLake/status/1218171377133457410)

How did the vet become involved by the 8th August 1985?
No-one else in the family wanted Crispy, neither did he because it would damage his stereo equipment, so the vet was summoned to the cottage on the 8th to euthanise it.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
No-one else in the family wanted Crispy, neither did he because it would damage his stereo equipment, so the vet was summoned to the cottage on the 8th to euthanise it.

‘Summoned’ by who?
PLorna Lake
Crispy was put to sleep on the vet's advice.  It was not Jeremy Bamber's decision though, in law, he had to give his consent
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 01:00:02 PM
Bamber still exerts a ‘powerful influence’ over his ‘supporters’ today

PLorna Lake
@LadyLornaLake
Jan 17
Replying to
@KkeithG
Crispy was put to sleep on the vet's advice.  It was not Jeremy Bamber's decision though, in law, he had to give his consent.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LadyLornaLake/status/1218171377133457410

Total denial shown by PLorna Lake
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 21, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
‘Summoned’ by who?
Might be documented somewhere, but I can't find it at the mo.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 04:54:22 PM
Might be documented somewhere, but I can't find it at the mo.

Courtesy of Caroline here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745

Taken from the WS of vet Robert McTaggart Hill:

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 05:13:47 PM
Courtesy of Caroline here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745

Taken from the WS of vet Robert McTaggart Hill:

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.

And if the same, as per online records, vet Robert McTaggart Hill was 29 years old at the time
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 21, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
Courtesy of Caroline here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745)

Taken from the WS of vet Robert McTaggart Hill:

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.
Yeah... it had taken an instant dislike to the wiring of his TV and stereo system.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
Yeah... it had taken an instant dislike to the wiring of his TV and stereo system.

Was Crispy even kept in the house before the vet arrived?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 21, 2020, 06:24:38 PM
Was Crispy even kept in the house before the vet arrived?
I think so, but only for a few hours that morning.  At least ITV's WHF gave that impression at first, but I don't think Bamber had a shed to the rear of Bourtree where the vet did the dirty. 
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 21, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
I think so, but only for a few hours that morning.  At least ITV's WHF gave that impression at first, but I don't think Bamber had a shed to the rear of Bourtree where the vet did the dirty.

The dog was put to sleep in the house on 8th Aug
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 23, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
The dog was put to sleep in the house on 8th Aug

White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber claims this is what really happened to the family dog’

‘White House Farm viewers were left devastated on Wednesday night after the murdered family's pet dog was put down following their deaths by the request of Jeremy Bamber, who was eventually convicted of murdering five of his family members. The convict, who is currently incarcerated in HM Prison Wakefield in Yorkshire, has been kept informed of the ITV show, and someone has tweeted on his behalf about what he claims 'really' happened.

His Twitter account read: "#WhiteHouseFarm to put facts straight. Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2020012383643/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-what-really-happened-to-family-dog/

 *&^^&

Courtesy of Caroline here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745

Taken from the WS of vet Robert McTaggart Hill:

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 23, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber claims this is what really happened to the family dog’

‘White House Farm viewers were left devastated on Wednesday night after the murdered family's pet dog was put down following their deaths by the request of Jeremy Bamber, who was eventually convicted of murdering five of his family members. The convict, who is currently incarcerated in HM Prison Wakefield in Yorkshire, has been kept informed of the ITV show, and someone has tweeted on his behalf about what he claims 'really' happened.

His Twitter account read: "#WhiteHouseFarm to put facts straight. Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2020012383643/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-what-really-happened-to-family-dog/ (https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2020012383643/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-what-really-happened-to-family-dog/)

 *&^^&
From Roger Wilkes - Blood Relations (1994), p.21...

Stan Jones suggested to Jeremy that he should take the dog back with him. But to Jones's surprise, Jeremy insisted that he wouldn't have the animal in the house, damaging all his stereo equipment. 'Get rid of it, 'Jeremy snapped.. 'Have it put down. I hate the f..king thing.'  The detective was shocked at Jeremy's apparent indifference. 'From that moment,'he recalled, 'Jeremy behaved as though nothing had happened.'
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2020, 03:17:49 PM

I don't have a problem with having the dog put down.  Sometimes it is necessary for any number of reasons.  It suggests nothing about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber.

This sort of spurious suggestion is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 23, 2020, 03:48:16 PM
I don't have a problem with having the dog put down.  Sometimes it is necessary for any number of reasons.  It suggests nothing about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber.

This sort of spurious suggestion is ridiculous.
Bamber...

Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep.

The vet's w/s...

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.

So Crispy had suddenly turned nasty in the space of a few hours?  Absolute balderdash!

I know who to believe.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 24, 2020, 11:48:45 AM
White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber claims this is what really happened to the family dog’

‘White House Farm viewers were left devastated on Wednesday night after the murdered family's pet dog was put down following their deaths by the request of Jeremy Bamber, who was eventually convicted of murdering five of his family members. The convict, who is currently incarcerated in HM Prison Wakefield in Yorkshire, has been kept informed of the ITV show, and someone has tweeted on his behalf about what he claims 'really' happened.

His Twitter account read: "#WhiteHouseFarm to put facts straight. Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2020012383643/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-what-really-happened-to-family-dog/

 *&^^&

Courtesy of Caroline here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10110.msg472745.html#msg472745

Taken from the WS of vet Robert McTaggart Hill:

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
42m
Everyone is leaping to condemn. I’m not sure what @hellomag believe, but at least they took note of some of the ‘real’ truth #WhiteHouseFarm

White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber claims this is what really happened to the family dog
Jeremy Bamber has tweeted via a supporter about what he claims really happened to the family dog Crispy.
hellomagazine.com
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1220663284493365248

 *&^^&
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 24, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
Bamber...

Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep.

The vet's w/s...

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.

So Crispy had suddenly turned nasty in the space of a few hours?  Absolute balderdash!

I know who to believe.

So why didn't the relatives take Crispy?  After all they were pretty keen to take everything else!
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on January 24, 2020, 01:44:22 PM
So why didn't the relatives take Crispy?  After all they were pretty keen to take everything else!

Justice 4 Crispy!!


What's a Shih Tzu?   One with no elephants.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 24, 2020, 05:33:49 PM
If I'd taken on Crispy then he would definitely have been given a good trim, followed by a bath in hot, soapy water to resemble the beauty below. 

Nothing worse than cleaning up a dog's hairy backside... is there, Holly?
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 24, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
So why didn't the relatives take Crispy?  After all they were pretty keen to take everything else!
They probably had their full complement of dogs to look after.  Bruce was re-housed, so there was nothing to stop Bamber taking Crispy to a pet shelter, instead of bombing off to his accountant to see how much he was worth.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on January 24, 2020, 05:46:34 PM
If I'd taken on Crispy then he would definitely have been given a good trim, followed by a bath in hot, soapy water to resemble the beauty below. 

Nothing worse than cleaning up a dog's hairy backside... is there, Holly?

Or a husband's.


 8(8-))
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 24, 2020, 05:51:00 PM
So why didn't the relatives take Crispy?  After all they were pretty keen to take everything else!

The relatives weren’t given the option

The vet in question didn’t set up practice until 1986.

Bamber manipulated the vet as he initially did the police
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 24, 2020, 05:52:42 PM
Or a husband's.


 8(8-))
Veet works wonders, but you need to be careful where it's applied.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on January 24, 2020, 05:57:00 PM
Veet works wonders, but you need to be careful where it's applied.

Blimey, don't tell him that. He's used to a quick squirt of WD40 and an angle grinder.


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 24, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
Bamber...

Crispy, June's dog and Bruce, the farm dog we put in the care of a vet. Bruce was rehomed to another farm very quickly however no one would take Crispy. The VET recommended he be put to sleep.

The vet's w/s...

"On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home." . He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy.

So Crispy had suddenly turned nasty in the space of a few hours?  Absolute balderdash!

I know who to believe.

Someone tweeted this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xT52ITEhcqI which reminded me of Bamber’s comment,

“If only dogs could talk
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 25, 2020, 10:01:02 AM
Justice 4 Crispy!!

What's a Shih Tzu?   One with no elephants.

As an adoptee you would think JB might have had more empathy for Crispy, effectively orphaned  8(8-))
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 25, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
As an adoptee you would think JB might have had more empathy for Crispy, effectively orphaned  8(8-))

As a human being you would think Bamber might have had more empathy for Crispy. Defo lack of empathy all around.
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 03, 2020, 07:04:21 PM
NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?

There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.

*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?

I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?
Re ‘all previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact’ should include, that I’m aware of


Jeremy Bamber wrote the following in 2012:

Julie Mugford and Elizabeth Rimmington
Essex Police were convinced on the basis of all available evidence that Sheila had killed the family and committed suicide. On the 7th September 1985 Elizabeth Rimmington telephoned Witham Police Station to say that Julie Mugford was withholding vital evidence in the White House Farm enquiry. This was at 4pm. This telephone call was documented as Telephone Report Number One. The exact content of this telephone call from Ms Rimmington is still a mystery as Essex Police continue to withhold this document from the Defence.

This is the sequence of events
5:00pm D.S. Stan Jones goes to the address of Malcolm Waters and takes Julie Mugford into custody. (HOLMES 64/13 and 1/12)

While in custody at Witham Julie asked that her father is contacted so she can talk to him. (HOLMES 5/10)

Julie Mugford was interviewed under caution. (HOLMES 1/49)

7:00pm to 10:40pm D.S. Jones and D.I. Miller interviewed Juilie together. 11:00pm to 02:00am D.C.I. Jones interviewed Julie.

The taped record and written record of Julie Mugford’s interviews on 7th September 1985 remain undisclosed.
Brett Collins, Mathew MacDonald, Christine Bacon and I were all arrested on the 8th September with:-

“Suspicion of being concerned with the murder of June and Nevill Bamber, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell.”

So, there is every reason to suspect that Julie was taken into custody for the same reason

Page 3 & 4 here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWeUVwcWFTT1JkaEE/view


Why does Bamber ‘suspect’ it was for the same reason?

Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 14, 2020, 03:12:57 PM
Poppy Ann Miller     ....................    Profile: Psychosomatic Counsellor and Healer. Working with dreams and pre-cognition.

(http://i.imgur.com/5jCP0.jpg)

 
Essex UK

Justice4Jeremy-Evidence of Collusion

Much of the tainting of Jeremy Bamber’s trial was conducted around a second sound moderator (gun silencer) which was introduced by Jeremy’s relatives over a month after the crime was committed.  Instead of questioning this sudden appearance Essex Police and others chose instead, to collude with it.
Documents intended for Public Interest Immunity (PII) were ‘inadvertently’ sent to Jeremy.  PII is a principle of common law under which English courts can grant an Order allowing one litigant to keep evidence from the sight of the other litigants if they consider disclosure to be damaging to public interest.  So it is clear that the plan was for these documents to be buried, safely out-of-sight, intended never to see the light-of-day

Jeremy’s most recent eight page letter to me provides an in-depth account of what he has found within these documents.  Jeremy’s letters are handwritten.  He writes in detail including reference and exhibit numbers revealing proof of what he has always maintained – his innocence. Details of documents which evidence beyond dispute the existence of two sound moderators and the ‘losing’, editing and re-writing of crucial evidence.  Jeremy has given me permission to reveal his entire letter and the corruption of documents which he has discovered.  I shall not record it all here though will forward relevant information to the City of London Police (COLP), the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) and the Home Secretary.

For those of us who believe that the administrators of justice in our so-called Great Britain, would not comprehend such malpractice and deceit, Jeremy states on more than one occasion, ‘I have the documents to prove it’.

The following are direct quotes from Jeremy’s letter and for brevity I have paraphrased others.

‘COLP (City of London Police) discovered that Glynis Howard and her assistant Leslie Tucker; John Hayward and his assistant, Andrew Palmer; Brian Elliott and his assistant, Louise Float and Malcolm Fletcher all signed a set of falsified documents for a second sound moderator to create a chain of evidence paper trail capable of deceiving the jury and it did.......I have their lab notes.’
‘They(sound moderators) are both the same, Parker-Hale MM1 type and someone simply took SBJ/1 out of its cardboard tube packaging and slipped in DB/1 that had been contaminated with red paint from the scene.
‘And in any event they admitted this to COLP in 1991 but COLP and Essex Police just covered it up under PII.  John Hayward took photos of SBJ/1 on 12th Sept ’85, well him and his assistant Andrew Palmer, COLP showed these photos to Brian Elliott in 1991 and asked, “Is that the same sound moderator you examined?” 

Elliott replied indicating that he did not accept it could be the same one and provides an explanation as to why that is the case, including a description of how the sound moderator he examined differed from the one in the photo in relation to the positioning of red paint on it.

‘Everyone examined the sound moderator under a  microscope as well as by eye and it’s clear that the first one SBJ/1 had blood on it and this smear of red paint and the second one DB/1 was switched with SBJ/1 after being sent to the lab on 20/Sept/85.’
‘I can prove every word of the above – I have all the PII primary documents showing exactly how my relatives and Essex Police and the forensic scientists at Huntingdon and COLP and PCA (now the IPCC) all worked together to either directly corrupt the sound moderator evidence or actively assisted in concealing that Essex Police found SBJ/1 and it was switched between 20th and 25th Sept ’85 at Huntingdon Forensic Laboratory with DB/1 that had been used to scratch and score the kitchen mantle shelf at White House Farm to falsely implicate me as a murderer. ....I have the documents showing that it was.......These are the document references: Exhibit signed by Glynis Howard, Malcolm Fletched, John Hayward and Brian Elliott:- ‘Police Crime Number’ SC/786/85, ‘Description of Article ‘Silencer’ DB/1, crossed out, and DRB/1 in brackets:- Serial Number 22, as the identification marker.’

Jeremy has no doubt that lawyers, judiciary as well as the Home Office must have known about this; and what about the media?  Considering the damage much of the press did in promulgating biased views, influencing public opinion through their coverage of Jeremy’s case, I wonder if they will attempt to compensate in some small way by publishing this evidence?  The truth!  Though I appreciate it might be difficult for them to recognise the truth 'even if it jumped up and bit them in the face!'.
I feel it reprehensible that those to whom we look for justice would rather lie and deceive than admit they were wrong.  That those who set themselves up in public office as upholders of the 'Law', can collude to send an innocent man to prison and then leave him there for TWENTY FIVE YEARS rather than face up to their own shortcomings.
It doesn’t bear thinking about and maybe some people would rather not think about the enormity of the true crime here.  Heartbreaking.
I do not believe there is a Heaven for the just and a Hell for the unjust but for one brief moment there I wished there were!


Posted by Poppy Ann Miller on twitter 8 October 2011

http://poppymeze.blogspot.com/2011/10/justice4jeremy-evidence-of-collusion.html

The only ‘proof’ Bamber details is of his apparent innocence fraud
Title: Re: Advocates for Jeremy Bamber
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 14, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Re ‘all previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact’ should include, that I’m aware of


Jeremy Bamber wrote the following in 2012:

Julie Mugford and Elizabeth Rimmington
Essex Police were convinced on the basis of all available evidence that Sheila had killed the family and committed suicide. On the 7th September 1985 Elizabeth Rimmington telephoned Witham Police Station to say that Julie Mugford was withholding vital evidence in the White House Farm enquiry. This was at 4pm. This telephone call was documented as Telephone Report Number One. The exact content of this telephone call from Ms Rimmington is still a mystery as Essex Police continue to withhold this document from the Defence.

This is the sequence of events
5:00pm D.S. Stan Jones goes to the address of Malcolm Waters and takes Julie Mugford into custody. (HOLMES 64/13 and 1/12)

While in custody at Witham Julie asked that her father is contacted so she can talk to him. (HOLMES 5/10)

Julie Mugford was interviewed under caution. (HOLMES 1/49)

7:00pm to 10:40pm D.S. Jones and D.I. Miller interviewed Juilie together. 11:00pm to 02:00am D.C.I. Jones interviewed Julie.

The taped record and written record of Julie Mugford’s interviews on 7th September 1985 remain undisclosed.
Brett Collins, Mathew MacDonald, Christine Bacon and I were all arrested on the 8th September with:-

“Suspicion of being concerned with the murder of June and Nevill Bamber, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell.”

So, there is every reason to suspect that Julie was taken into custody for the same reason

Page 3 & 4 here:

Why does Bamber ‘suspect’ it was for the same reason?


I may be wrong, but I’m sure I read police interviews weren’t recorded in 1985?

I’ve never read that JM was arrested?

This must just another of JB’s mad lies...