So..What Was Judge Knowles Verdict This Week?😌

[Caroline]

Would that have stopped another key being used from the outside?

Yes

[Robittybob1]

Yes

I think you are right in the case of some mortice locks.  The key on the inside would have stopped another key being used from the outside.

But the problem then is working out at what time the key was left in that position.  Nevill had to finish work so they wouldn't put the keys in the locks and lock him out.

[Caroline]

I think you are right in the case of some mortice locks.  The key on the inside would have stopped another key being used from the outside.

But the problem then is working out at what time the key was left in that position.  Nevill had to finish work so they wouldn't put the keys in the locks and lock him out.

You can't 'work it out' - you can just speculate.

[Robittybob1]

You can't 'work it out' - you can just speculate.

The safest guess would be he didn't finish till around 2:00 - 3:00 AM  He has put his pyjamas on so the problems didn't hit him as soon as he walked into the house.  Was he planning to sleep in Sheila's room?  There is little to no evidence he had actually tucked into his bed. 

[Caroline]

The safest guess would be he didn't finish till around 2:00 - 3:00 AM  He has put his pyjamas on so the problems didn't hit him as soon as he walked into the house.  Was he planning to sleep in Sheila's room?  There is little to no evidence he had actually tucked into his bed.

How is that safest?

[Robittybob1]

How is that safest?

We have suggestions from 11:00 PM up to my 2:00 AM.   3 hours of uncertainty.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The sound of firearm discharge with and without a silencer will sound completely different inside WHF as opposed to discharging outside.  Soft items absorb sound.

https://youtu.be/rn8[Name removed]Ul9imY

https://www.factmonster.com/dk/encyclopedia/science/acoustics

But there is no hard and fast rule for determining the sound of a gun when fired indoors as so much makes it variable.

A concrete-walled shooting range will be louder than shooting a gun inside your home in a self-defense setting due to the way different materials and construction absorb and reflect sound.

This is why silencers are increasingly popular for home defence in America as it protects the hearing of the shooter in dangerous situations.


IMO Jeremy used the silencer to carry out the murders as he wanted to kill them as quietly as possible.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The fact the trial involved such a ridiculous piece of 'evidence' shows what a complete farce it was!  Another fine mess created by Malcom Fletcher.

A more worthwhile exercise would have been to take jurors to WHF to see for themselves what the prosecution was alleging in respect of exiting a window and securing it from within.

That’s what Peter Sutcliffe said about his trial too:: “it was a complete farce!” 

I think you’ll find that it would have been deemed far, far too dangerous to take 12 jurors inside WHF while a police officer fired aimlessly in the bedrooms, on the landing, staircase, and in the kitchen...

Would have only needed one bullet to ricochet faster than the speed of sound and shoot dead the judge or a juror...that would have looked good, wouldn’t it?

Not to mention all the damage they’d do to walls and furniture firing 25 bullets all over the house...

But I’m sure the ballistic experts explained to the 12 jurors when shooting in the range, that the sound would have been considerably less inside the house due to the soft furnishings, carpets, beds etc...😊

Re: Jeremy’s entrance & escape route — I believe the police had already proved to the jury how he broke into WHF, especially as Jeremy eventually admitted to the police how he’d broken in, albeit making out he’d done so weeks after the murder. Strange that he had to break into his own house, don’t you think? He hadn’t been charged with murder, so why would he have broken into his own property? Using a hacksaw? Then hiding it in overgrowth? Why not go to the family or workers and tell them he needed to get in? Sounds very strange...especially as undercover police had him under surveillance and saw he was in London when he claimed he’d broken into WHF...

And the court weren’t going to order a reconstruction and break another window when they had diagrams and were able to understand how he got in on the night he killed them.  Likewise, when he climbed out the kitchen window and made it appear shut by banging it...it was clear to see by the jury without having to be shown a demonstration

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That’s what Peter Sutcliffe said about his trial too:: “it was a complete farce!” 

I think you’ll find that it would have been deemed far, far too dangerous to take 12 jurors inside WHF while a police officer fired aimlessly in the bedrooms, on the landing, staircase, and in the kitchen...

Would have only needed one bullet to ricochet faster than the speed of sound and shoot dead the judge or a juror...that would have looked good, wouldn’t it?

Not to mention all the damage they’d do to walls and furniture firing 25 bullets all over the house...

But I’m sure the ballistic experts explained to the 12 jurors when shooting in the range, that the sound would have been considerably less inside the house due to the soft furnishings, carpets, beds etc...😊

Re: Jeremy’s entrance & escape route — I believe the police had already proved to the jury how he broke into WHF, especially as Jeremy eventually admitted to the police how he’d broken in, albeit making out he’d done so weeks after the murder. Strange that he had to break into his own house, don’t you think? He hadn’t been charged with murder, so why would he have broken into his own property? Using a hacksaw? Then hiding it in overgrowth? Why not go to the family or workers and tell them he needed to get in? Sounds very strange...especially as undercover police had him under surveillance and saw he was in London when he claimed he’d broken into WHF...

And the court weren’t going to order a reconstruction and break another window when they had diagrams and were able to understand how he got in on the night he killed them.  Likewise, when he climbed out the kitchen window and made it appear shut by banging it...it was clear to see by the jury without having to be shown a demonstration

Holly (or anyone else for that matter) could you explain why Jeremy would have hunted out a hacksaw to break-in to WHF when all he had to do was call at the Eatons’; Housekeeper; Secretary; Len’s etc...to ask for the keys?😳

Wonder why he didn’t do that?

Any ideas?

[Robittybob1]

Holly (or anyone else for that matter) could you explain why Jeremy would have hunted out a hacksaw to break-in to WHF when all he had to do was call at the Eatons’; Housekeeper; Secretary; Len’s etc...to ask for the keys?😳

Wonder why he didn’t do that?

Any ideas?

What date are you referring to?   

[Robittybob1]

What date are you referring to?

I think Ispy is referring to an event after the murders.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly (or anyone else for that matter) could you explain why Jeremy would have hunted out a hacksaw to break-in to WHF when all he had to do was call at the Eatons’; Housekeeper; Secretary; Len’s etc...to ask for the keys?😳

Wonder why he didn’t do that?

Any ideas?

Afaik no key holder existed.

[Caroline]

Afaik no key holder existed.

Peter Eaton was running the farm, of course they would have had keys.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Afaik no key holder existed.

Yes, there was a key holder.

One of the farm workers who lived on the estate.

You’ll find the cite somewhere.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Peter Eaton was running the farm, of course they would have had keys.

I think the cite is in CAL’s book, Caroline, but I’m not home at the moment

Whatever, I definitely read that one of the workers had a key, and it was remarked how Nevill trusted them with a key and not Jeremy.

I also read that there was another key which was kept hidden outside somewhere.

It’s naive of anyone to think no-one else had a key to the farm house when it was a business! Actually, didn’t the secretary have one too?