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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Lisbon Libel Trial Daily Reports and Judgements => Topic started by: Admin on September 16, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
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Libel trial Day 2 Witness No 1
David Trickey (Psychologist) evidence.
Libel Trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 2 Witness No 1
The testimony as it happened...
(13.09.2013, 10am) David Trickey. He is a psychologist. He was contracted by Madeleine's parents concerning the twins. He went to PDL to meet them, then had some conversations on the phone with the McCanns, but only two meetings (without the twins).
1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.
ID says the issue here is the effects, on the twins, of the Amaral book and the documentary.
In your professional opinion what do you have to say?
DT says he is a specialist in child trauma. He has worked with ten families in cases involving abduction. (note: unfortunately nobody asked what kind of abduction) He saw the twins some weeks after Madeleine disappeared. They were asking where she was. He helped to answer that question. He says it is fundamental for a child to believe the world is safe and secure. Thanks to their age, the twins were protected from the book.
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Thank you guys. Thanks again Anne.
Very odd things some of these witnesses are saying. "He thinks the book leaves a feeling that the world isn't secure" >@@(*&) Bizarre.
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Thank you Anne
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Thank you guys. Thanks again Anne.
Very odd things some of these witnesses are saying. "He thinks the book leaves a feeling that the world isn't secure" >@@(*&) Bizarre.
I think he meant one's world, i.e the family and friend and acquaintances circle.
Because we know life is a risky business and we shouldn't lie to kids, should we ?
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I think he meant one's world, i.e the family and friend and acquaintances circle.
Because we know life is a risky business and we shouldn't lie to kids, should we ?
I get what he means now Anne. 8)-)))
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I admit to finding this a bit odd.
GP – Shouldn't we expect that sooner or later the twins will read what's on the internet?
DT says "possibly".
Are you absolutely sure he just said possibly Anne?
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I admit to finding this a bit odd.
GP – Shouldn't we expect that sooner or later the twins will read what's on the internet?
DT says "possibly".
Are you absolutely sure he just said possibly Anne?
I'm sure. I think he meant that it is a normal expectation and hence a probability.
But his hope is the parents will manage to prevent this as long as they can, i.e up to feeling it's time to speak to them.
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Please don't post old newspaper Reports on this thread as its purpose is to discuss live events from Lisbon. TY
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Angus McBride (Lawyer) evidence.
Libel Trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 2 Witness No 2
The testimony as it happened...
(13.09.2013, 11:30 am) Angus McBride. A lawyer, he first met the McCanns as an assistant advisor when they came back from Portugal at the beginning of September 2007.
The Judge, Maria Emília de Melo e Castro, asks him what kind of services he provided for the McCanns.
AM answers that he assisted the McCanns in the criminal investigation, was a go-between with their Portuguese lawyers and assisted them in their relationships with the media.
The Judge asks if his knowledge about the case is personal or through the media and if, in the first case, there are restrictions on what he can say, if there's a clause of confidentiality.
AM answers that he can't repeat what occurred when he worked with the McCanns, but can freely talk about the media.
The Judge reminds him that in Portugal the lawyers can't talk about specifics as long as a process is ongoing and that any information they acquired through their professional activity must remain confidential.
AM says that in the UK it's not like that.
The judge asks if there's anything that prevents him from talking
AM says he is registered as a lawyer in the UK and the only applicable secrecy law is related to this.
The judge asks if, in the perspective of the English law, he thinks something prevents him from speaking.
AM answers that nothing prevents it, unless it relates to his counselling activities. For instance his meetings with the media aren't under any secrecy law.
The judge concludes by asking AM to inform the court if he eventually can't answer any particular question, if it violates a professional confidentiality. She adds that she only mentions this matter because she wants him to feel at ease and not pressurised to answer any of the questions.
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Nice job, otherwise heaven knows what nonsense we would read in the UK press. Thank you for your attention to detail.
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"He [McBride] adds it is the only book that makes these allegations."
Angus is a bit of a comedian on the side I think.
Thanks again for the reports 8((()*/
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"He [McBride] adds it is the only book that makes these allegations."
Angus is a bit of a comedian on the side I think.
Thanks again for the reports 8((()*/
All singing from some ridiculous spread out for them hymn sheet, agree, as none of them seemed to know the first thng about anything, poor and almost comical if it werent so sad
My thanks too!
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I take back what I said about Perry Mason, at least his cases were going somewhere and they were fiction too.
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It was never the brief of this court to outline past, present and future the psychological support of the twins. But you willed the witness to outline a positive future.
DT reply ..... <snipped> ''He thinks the book leaves a feeling that the world isn't secure and that the parents are somehow dangerous. If they find that the book damaged the search for Madeleine, they'll be angry or depressed.''
The book?!
The Internet, the official file, the media, the internet forums & blogs, the internet translation, Madeleine The various UK documentaries, appearances of various t.v. shows (World wide)
Which ONE piece of information will make them feel insecure, just the book
The FACT despite being checked regularly and within the bounds of responsible parenting they were left in an unlocked apartment for four nights, the forth night Madeleine disappeared.
Sorry, beyond that FACT, the rest is mere data.
I sincerely wish that there are no more victims in the case and that the twins have an happy and successful future.
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This is an extract from Angus McBrides statement
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The judge (Maria Emília de Melo e Castro) is now asking
MC – what was the reaction to the shelving of the process?
AM says the impact was very quickly shadowed by the book.
Unquote.
May I query the word 'shadowed' which IMO should be 'OVERshadowed' - which has a completely different meaning to the word 'shadowed'?
The implication of 'shadowed' is merely that the book quickly followed the Shelving announcement and nothing more.
IMO Angus McBride was actually saying that because the book followed on so swiftly - the positive elements within the AG's report regarding the McCanns were quickly overshadowed by the book - and therefore to their detriment.
Anyone agree?
p.s. This is not a dig at anyone - just a genuine query based on 'common sense'.
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This is an extract from Angus McBrides statement
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The judge (Maria Emília de Melo e Castro) is now asking
MC – what was the reaction to the shelving of the process?
AM says the impact was very quickly shadowed by the book.
Unquote.
May I query the word 'shadowed' which IMO should be 'OVERshadowed' - which has a completely different meaning to the word 'shadowed'?
The implication of 'shadowed' is merely that the book quickly followed the Shelving announcement and nothing more.
IMO Angus McBride was actually saying that because the book followed on so swiftly - the positive elements within the AG's report regarding the McCanns were quickly overshadowed by the book - and therefore to their detriment.
Anyone agree?
p.s. This is not a dig at anyone - just a genuine query based on 'common sense'.
Shadowed and overshadow have the sane meaning in the context they were used ie. to put in the shade.
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Shadowed and overshadow have the sane meaning in the context they were used ie. to put in the shade.
I disagree John. I can only speak personally, but to me as an English person the word 'shadowed' nowadays is more likely to be used in the capacity of something or someone being 'followed' - whereas 'overshadowed' means to dominate and therefore to diminish. In the context of the question being asked I think the latter is what AM was saying and I don't think the word 'shadowed' adequately conveys that in this particular instance.
Anyway - I've had my say - so will leave it there.
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I disagree John. I can only speak personally, but to me as an English person the word 'shadowed' nowadays is more likely to be used in the capacity of something or someone being 'followed' - whereas 'overshadowed' means to dominate and therefore to diminish. In the context of the question being asked I think the latter is what AM was saying and I don't think the word 'shadowed' adequately conveys that in this particular instance.
Anyway - I've had my say - so will leave it there.
Benice is right, I looked in my notes, John, and I actually wrote "overshadowed by the book", it's surely what AMB said.
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They can mean the same thing but I have changed it to overshadowed as you wish. 8((()*/
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They can mean the same thing but I have changed it to overshadowed as you wish. 8((()*/
Thank you, John, I don't understand well the difference unless "overshadow" is more involving than "shadow", but that's what Mr McBride said. I hope Benice will see that she didn't make that remark vainly !