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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1860 on: October 28, 2018, 01:20:44 PM »
Quote from: barrier on October 28, 2018, 12:55:45 PM
His.
Not the media's or the women who went to the media or Lord Hain for revealing his name in parliament?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1861 on: October 28, 2018, 01:21:56 PM »
Quote from: barrier on October 28, 2018, 01:00:11 PM
Why is irrelevant,the Telegraph released the detail of the MP's thieving covered up as expenses,was that wrong,play with fire expect to get burnt in a free democratic society.
No it was not wrong, that's my point.  Start laying the law down about what the media can and cannot report is a recipe for disaster IMO, nor should they be held accountable if those playing with fire decide to jump on the fire themselves, unless of course the reporting is false. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1862 on: October 28, 2018, 01:28:51 PM »
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Offline Sunny

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1863 on: October 28, 2018, 01:33:00 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
Not the media's or the women who went to the media or Lord Hain for revealing his name in parliament?

He courted the media when it suited him but when something was alleged that he didn't want out in the general domain then he silence the Telegraph it seems.

Brenda never courted the media and she was a private person prior to the outrageous media coverage of her. It is a totally different thing IMO.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1864 on: October 28, 2018, 01:39:29 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on October 28, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
He courted the media when it suited him but when something was alleged that he didn't want out in the general domain then he silence the Telegraph it seems.

Brenda never courted the media and she was a private person prior to the outrageous media coverage of her. It is a totally different thing IMO.
Ah, so do you think the law needs to be changed so that not all people are considered equal under the law, in other words one rule for some, one for others?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1865 on: October 28, 2018, 01:51:21 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on October 28, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
He courted the media when it suited him but when something was alleged that he didn't want out in the general domain then he silence the Telegraph it seems.

Brenda never courted the media and she was a private person prior to the outrageous media coverage of her. It is a totally different thing IMO.

Twitter is the media... No excuses
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1866 on: October 28, 2018, 01:57:25 PM »
Quote from: Davel on October 28, 2018, 10:05:19 AM
Why do posters want to keep up the Brenda story..... The press were absolutely  right to get involved... As were sky news... The type of behaviour Brenda engaged in needs to be stopped

So you want to kill investigative journalism?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1867 on: October 28, 2018, 02:16:01 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
No it was not wrong, that's my point.  Start laying the law down about what the media can and cannot report is a recipe for disaster IMO, nor should they be held accountable if those playing with fire decide to jump on the fire themselves, unless of course the reporting is false.

If what is being considered for publication is already a police matter then the media absolutely should not take the law into their own hands.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1868 on: October 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on October 28, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
So you want to kill investigative journalism?
What gives you that impression from what Davel wrote?  Or do you consider Brenda's activities to fall into the category of "investigative journalism"?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1869 on: October 28, 2018, 02:17:52 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on October 28, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
If what is being considered for publication is already a police matter then the media absolutely should not take the law into their own hands.
Presumably then your sympathies must lie with the dear old man who racially abused another passenger on Ryanair flight recently?  Poor man must be going through hell.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1870 on: October 28, 2018, 02:27:17 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on October 28, 2018, 02:17:52 PM
Presumably then your sympathies must lie with the dear old man who racially abused another passenger on Ryanair flight recently?  Poor man must be going through hell.

Is it a police matter ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1871 on: October 28, 2018, 02:36:45 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on October 28, 2018, 02:27:17 PM
Is it a police matter ?
What difference does that make to whether or not you feel this man has been victimized by the media and worthy of your sympathy?  I don’t know if it is a police matter or not - should it be in your view?
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Offline Sunny

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1872 on: October 28, 2018, 02:46:32 PM »
Quote from: Davel on October 28, 2018, 01:51:21 PM
Twitter is the media... No excuses

How many people did Brenda tweet to? 100 - 200 people or the millions that Philip Green wanted to read about his good deeds and fame.   Twitter is NOT the media however you want to make it so, IMO.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1873 on: October 28, 2018, 02:47:39 PM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on October 28, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
So you want to kill investigative journalism?
I don't... It seems sceptics do... Martin Brunt was a journalist and broke no laws... Yet has been pilloried... I'm al for investigative journalism...
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1874 on: October 28, 2018, 02:49:54 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on October 28, 2018, 02:46:32 PM
How many people did Brenda tweet to? 100 - 200 people or the millions that Philip Green wanted to read about his good deeds and fame.   Twitter is NOT the media however you want to make it so, IMO.

Twitter is part of the media... Brenda chose to het involved in promoting hatred....
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