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Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #990 on: May 28, 2016, 10:18:07 PM »
I would think Mark Warners would have had to comply to fire safety regulations wouldn't you?

I replied to this. I wonder where the reply went ?
It went along the lines of:
Why do you think smoke detectors are fitted ?
Hint: because there is a perceived risk of fire. QED


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Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #991 on: May 28, 2016, 10:25:20 PM »
Serious enough for 6 people to be taken to hospital Davel.

Get a good fire going and death can be by asphyxiation due to the fire using all the O2.


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Offline ShiningInLuz

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« Reply #992 on: May 28, 2016, 10:51:45 PM »
bog standard...no standards...smoke alarms wont be the only lack of statndards
Make your mind up.

Was MW an American company requiring smoke alarms?

Or were there no smoke alarms required?

Can't have it both ways.
What's up, old man?

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #993 on: May 28, 2016, 11:22:00 PM »
Get a good fire going and death can be by asphyxiation due to the fire using all the O2.
Yes fire can cause asphyxiation but there are far commoner causes for example accidental strangulation, object inhalation, liquid inhalation.

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #994 on: May 28, 2016, 11:28:44 PM »
Yes fire can cause asphyxiation but there are far commoner causes for example accidental strangulation, object inhalation, liquid inhalation.

True Peggy.
I was just flagging it up to the "We know naff all about fire risks and building construction" brigade. The pics you put up on the other thread of the apartment interior were interesting.
 
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Alfie

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« Reply #995 on: May 28, 2016, 11:58:08 PM »
A TV on the fifth floor.
Was the TV left on when the McCanns left the apartment?

Alfie

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« Reply #996 on: May 28, 2016, 11:59:31 PM »
I said earlier that I don't know.

I still don't know.

If the photos show a smoke detector, then we will have an answer.  But if they don't .......
Something to investigate on one of your next investigative missions then...

Alfie

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« Reply #997 on: May 29, 2016, 01:01:08 AM »
Anecdotal evidence that Portugal was hot on fire regulations (pardon the pun) at least as far back as 2006

Fire Safety Regulations
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:31 am

I just wanted to know if any one has experienced the same as we have? We are opening a small business in Lagos, we are renting two rooms in a large building and have had to have some fire plans drawn up to enable us to get our commercial license. The amount of fire safety equippment that we have had to have is unbelievable. We have a fire extinguisher in both rooms, a smoke detector in both rooms, a manual alarm button in one room, a siren and a control panel that controls the whole system! It seems that the only thing we haven't got is a fireman on standby!

Offline ShiningInLuz

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« Reply #998 on: May 29, 2016, 01:27:25 AM »
Anecdotal evidence that Portugal was hot on fire regulations (pardon the pun) at least as far back as 2006

Fire Safety Regulations
Post Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:31 am

I just wanted to know if any one has experienced the same as we have? We are opening a small business in Lagos, we are renting two rooms in a large building and have had to have some fire plans drawn up to enable us to get our commercial license. The amount of fire safety equippment that we have had to have is unbelievable. We have a fire extinguisher in both rooms, a smoke detector in both rooms, a manual alarm button in one room, a siren and a control panel that controls the whole system! It seems that the only thing we haven't got is a fireman on standby!
Small business.

My enquiries have confirmed that a small business, aka a pub, installed fire alarms in said pub in 2014.  I have not yet been able to work out whether this was a new regulation, or whether the previous tenant simply ignored regulations.

I do believe a scouting expedition to Kelly's and The Bull might be on the cards.

But does it matter a jot?  Any photos of 5A with a single smoke alarm?   That is the question.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #999 on: May 29, 2016, 08:36:03 AM »
another interesting case re portuguese justice..

A Briton held in a Portuguese jail for almost two years has acted as an under-cover agent for the United States authorities investigating a serious international crime, it was claimed yesterday.

A Portuguese judge will this week deliver her verdict in the case of Professor David Lowry, 54, a British civil rights lawyer accused of an alleged pounds 10 million fraud.

He has told The Observer that he would rather remain in Lisbon's notorious Caxias prison than accept any verdict short of acquittal.

Yesterday his American associate Craig Heesch, who has fought to establish his innocence, issued a statement in Lisbon saying he and Lowry had 'assisted US and international law enforcement agencies in a high profile criminal case as undercover agents - even while the professor is in prison.'

Heesch claimed last year that they had worked as for the FBI in investigations into white-collar crime. This was corroborated by former FBI agent Don Rogers, who gave evidence on Lowry's behalf after the FBI headquarters was unable to confirm it.

If Judge Teresa Feria finds Lowry guilty on Friday friends say it will finish his career.

The case against him is that he ran a Lisbon-based firm selling shares in non-existent firms. He did not deal in Portuguese shares.


He has told The Observer that he would rather remain in Lisbon's notorious Caxias prison than accept any verdict short of acquittal....he got his wish...he was sentenced to 17 years in prison and in portugal 17 years means 17 years



stephen25000

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« Reply #1000 on: May 29, 2016, 09:00:22 AM »
1999.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #1001 on: May 29, 2016, 09:06:41 AM »
that's right.....not sure if he has been released yet despite questions being asked in Parliament

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« Reply #1002 on: May 29, 2016, 09:15:18 AM »
'Portugal no haven for offshore shark'

LIVERPOOL-BORN David Lowry, 54, a lawyer and specialist in what one regulatory spokesman called "the less establishment end of the financial market", looked remarkably chipper, considering he had spent 23 months sharing a Portuguese prison cell with 13 others.
But that was before the judge at Lisbon's criminal court sent him down on Friday for nine years for fraud and conspiracy over the operations of his share telesales company, Paramount Portugal, and banished him from the country for another 10 years. At this, Lowry crumpled sideways, while his supporters in the curlicued, tiled courtroom murmured and huddled together in shock at the unexpectedly harsh verdict.

Lowry's crime was to have set up an unregistered operation in Lisbon from which scores of employees cold-called investors around the world and persuaded them to buy shares in small companies in Florida and New Zealand. Following investors' complaints, police closed the company in April 1997 and the judge found him guilty of fraud, criminal association, forgery and illegal use of a database containing potential investors' names and numbers.

Lowry insisted throughout his five-month trial that he was only following standard US business procedure. "I took Portuguese legal advice that said if I didn't deal in Portuguese stock or seek clients in Portugal, I needn't register the company," he said when I visited him in Lisbon's Caxias jail, where the former dictator Antonio Salazar used to lock up his political opponents.

Lowry has slightly faded blond good looks and a gently persuasive manner. "The Portuguese authorities are just inexperienced in telephone share- dealing," he said before the verdict. "They concocted this case against me on the basis of pure suspicion." He did not deny the activities of which he was accused. "I just did not believe I had done anything wrong. Where's the crime?"

The Portuguese judge, however, decided Lowry had mounted a calculated swindle. He had set up a "boiler-room" dealing operation to persuade investors to buy shares that were worthless, defrauding them of millions of pounds. The raid on Paramount was launched after disappointed Irish and Danish investors complained to Portugal's financial regulators that they had lost vast sums.

The twin-track career of David Lowry, as lawyer and businessman, lies in ruins: he can now neither run a business nor practise law. It is a humiliating blow for a man of charm and intelligence who has mobilised to his cause some of Britain's most eminent lawyers, several of whom testified at length in his favour.

"I'm a professional trustee. I look after other people's money. I cannot afford to be tainted with even the hint of fraud," he said during the trial. But the judge condemned him as "one of those people who play with millions".

David Lowry graduated in law in 1969 from Queen's University, Belfast. In a lengthy report submitted by the defence, his former jurisprudence professor, William Twining, rated his former student "a person of great potential". Lowry moved to the US with Prof Twining's blessing and prospered as an academic lawyer specialising in civil liberties, environmental protection and labour law, before moving into the telecommunications business. From the start "Lowry adopted the assertive and entrepreneurial style of American lawyers and businessmen", Prof Twining said.

Mr Lowry told me: "I used to teach students the law on white-collar crime." He became expert in international finance and tax havens, and set up worldwide consultancies that, in his words, "designed and managed offshore trusts and private corporations taking advantage of tax and fiscal opportunities, while ensuring anonymity for the client".

Domiciled in Switzerland, Lowry's British business connections amounted to a three-month stint in 1996 as director of a media company called Cable Road UK, and manager of Videotron UK, a company whose process of dissolution began last month.

The buccaneering world of transnational share-dealings boomed in the US in the 1980s, punting unquoted shares in high-risk startup companies by telephone or, latterly, on the internet. Operators used high-tech telecoms equipment to dodge national jurisdictions by being registered nowhere. Calls to numbers in one tax haven would be re-routed by satellite to another, so that neither investors nor the authorities knew exactly where to appeal when problems arose.

So renowned did Lowry's expertise become that the US authorities even sought his advice in tracking down tax fraudsters, according to Craig Heesch, a retired Los Angeles policeman and former undercover FBI operative, and Don Rogers, a former FBI special agent. Each testified that Mr Lowry had helped US investigations into racketeering on several occasions, the latest just months ago from his prison cell.

But British and US efforts to stamp out this form of white-collar crime have now spread to Portugal, and David Lowry is by far their biggest catch.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/portugal-no-haven-for-offshore-shark-1079044.html

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #1003 on: May 29, 2016, 09:43:22 AM »
Small business.

My enquiries have confirmed that a small business, aka a pub, installed fire alarms in said pub in 2014.  I have not yet been able to work out whether this was a new regulation, or whether the previous tenant simply ignored regulations.

I do believe a scouting expedition to Kelly's and The Bull might be on the cards.

But does it matter a jot?  Any photos of 5A with a single smoke alarm?   That is the question.

There was an interesting item on the news a couple of weeks ago. Some large UK shops had been selling mattresses made in China which didn't meet UK safety regulations, they were much too flammable. It turned out the Chinese company had sent the wrong mattresses and no-one had noticed. The mattresses met European safety standards but not UK ones, which are much stricter. It can't be assumed that other countries have the same standards as the UK, or that they are enforced.
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #1004 on: May 29, 2016, 10:39:20 AM »
There was an interesting item on the news a couple of weeks ago. Some large UK shops had been selling mattresses made in China which didn't meet UK safety regulations, they were much too flammable. It turned out the Chinese company had sent the wrong mattresses and no-one had noticed. The mattresses met European safety standards but not UK ones, which are much stricter. It can't be assumed that other countries have the same standards as the UK, or that they are enforced.

For all the talk of unnecessary 'red tape', EU regulations set the  minimum standards that have to be met.
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