Brexit and Moral Obligations.

[G-Unit]

In your opinion when the people voted Leave they voted for no deal so why would you be supportive of anyone trying to get the best deal possible?

Thank you for once again telling me what I think. I would like a cite showing where I said 'the people voted for a No Deal Brexit' please.

[Venturi Swirl]

Thank you for once again telling me what I think. I would like a cite showing where I said 'the people voted for a No Deal Brexit' please.

You said
“It's not triggering Article 50 that created the mess, it's the fact that instead of preparing for leaving the EU the government spent the time trying to make a deal. Why? No-one asked them to do that".

What did you mean by that if not that when people voted Leave they didn’t want or expect a deal?

[G-Unit]

You said
“It's not triggering Article 50 that created the mess, it's the fact that instead of preparing for leaving the EU the government spent the time trying to make a deal. Why? No-one asked them to do that".

What did you mean by that if not that when people voted Leave they didn’t want or expect a deal?

I don't know what people thought, I only know what they voted for. They voted to leave the EU, so obviously that was the goal.  The how was in the hands of the givernment and it threw all it's energies into negotiating a deal. It seems to me they were so confiident that they were doing the right thing that they didn't pay as much attention to preparing for a no deal exit as they could have done.

[Venturi Swirl]

I don't know what people thought, I only know what they voted for. They voted to leave the EU, so obviously that was the goal.  The how was in the hands of the givernment and it threw all it's energies into negotiating a deal. It seems to me they were so confiident that they were doing the right thing that they didn't pay as much attention to preparing for a no deal exit as they could have done.

Yet you claim no one who voted leave asked the government to negotiate a deal, so you have now proved the point I was making before, that no one really knew what they were voting for and that is why a second referendum between May’s deal and no deal would make total sense.

[G-Unit]

Yet you claim no one who voted leave asked the government to negotiate a deal, so you have now proved the point I was making before, that no one really knew what they were voting for and that is why a second referendum between May’s deal and no deal would make total sense.

The people shouldn't need to vote, the politicians need to accept that it's their duty to vote May's deal through because it will achieve what the people vpted for. In my opinion they have a moral obligation to get out of the EU. Why should the people vote to sort out a mess created by politicians who refuse to carry out their wishes?

[Venturi Swirl]

The people shouldn't need to vote, the politicians need to accept that it's their duty to vote May's deal through because it will achieve what the people vpted for. In my opinion they have a moral obligation to get out of the EU. Why should the people vote to sort out a mess created by politicians who refuse to carry out their wishes?

And yet opinion polls suggest that May’s deal is not what Leavers voted for at all!  Perhaps you can explain why May’s deal should be voted through on this basis
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/02/19/only-third-leave-voters-think-mays-deal-beats-stay

[Venturi Swirl]

The Moral Maze discussed the moral duty of MP's. Melanie Phillips put the case that I have been making; that MP's moral duty is to keep their promises. They promised to abide by the result of the Brexit referendum and they should do it. Some MP's, she said, are trying to reverse the result of the referendim while pretending that's not what they are doing. She, like me, sees that as dishonest and immoral.

There followed a lot of discussion about sovereignty, where power ultimarely lies, what MP's are entitled to do and so on. In my opinion none of it was able to answer or negate Phillip's point because her point is bery clear and very simple. There's no excuse for breaking your promises!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002828

Now that Jeremy has come out in favour of a Second Referendum can we put him in the morally bereft politician category?

[G-Unit]

And yet opinion polls suggest that May’s deal is not what Leavers voted for at all!  Perhaps you can explain why May’s deal should be voted through on this basis
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/02/19/only-third-leave-voters-think-mays-deal-beats-stay

Can a You Gov poll of 1,783 people really tell us what 17.5 million people think?

[Venturi Swirl]

Can a You Gov poll of 1,783 people really tell us what 17.5 million people think?

Yes, I think so, but as there appears to be some doubt why not ask thr GBP?

[slartibartfast]

Yes, I think so, but as there appears to be some doubt why not ask thr GBP?

The elephant in the room. If, as leavers claim, the people want to Brexit, why are they scared of a confirming vote.

[Carana]

I find this absurd.

The referendum was advisory (although May treated the result as binding).

The result is considered to be the democratic expression of the will of the people.

But Leave cheated.

Under common law this would be considered undemocratic and therefore the result would normally be considered invalid.

However, the (undemocratic) result still stands because...

The referendum was only advisory.


"Brexit Referendum Was Corruptly Won, But Result Stands Thanks To Loophole"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-referendum-corruptly-won-but-result-stands/


Dr Robert C. Palmer: The legal loophole that defies democracy in Britain.
http://www.brexitshambles.com/the-legal-loophole-that-defies-democracy-in-britain/

[Carana]

The elephant in the room. If, as leavers claim, the people want to Brexit, why are they scared of a confirming vote.

The progression of poll results might have something to do with it...

https://www.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-brexit-regret-remain-second-referendum-2019-2?utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=twitter&r=US&IR=T

[Carana]

Scanning through YouTube for anything interesting (for US-related news).

And I get:
Vote Leave viewers also watch...
Recommended videos for you

There's no "Remain viewers also watch..."

Interesting.

[G-Unit]

The elephant in the room. If, as leavers claim, the people want to Brexit, why are they scared of a confirming vote.

How many times have the people been asked to vote again after a general election? Just to confirm that they meant what they vored for the first time, like.

[Venturi Swirl]

How many times have the people been asked to vote again after a general election? Just to confirm that they meant what they vored for the first time, like.

General elections have been known to happen twice in relatively quick succession when the result was inconclusive or there was not a majority.  In any case both Boris and Nigel were very keen on a second referendum before they won, why was that now?
FYI
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_general_elections