The Joana Cipriano case revisited.

[sadie]

I suspect the fact that blood was found was enough.  Although we can't even be sure of that.

Enough for Amaral and Cristovao, but it shoukldn't have been enough for any self respecting Court.  Why didn't Leonors lawyer, Joao Grade question that ?  Why didn't he demand that the blood be properly tested ?  It could even have been none human, such as pigs blood.

Why didn't Grade question that Leonor and Joao Cipriano had killed Joana based upon Amarals assertion that she had come across them having sex together.  Nobody saw it.......  No proof of that.

Why didn't Grade question Amarals assertion that Joana had been cut up and fed to the pigs.   Nobody saw it.......  No proof of that.

Why didn't Grade make more fuss about the Torturing of Leonor?

Why didn't Grade challenge ?  ........................  I could go on


In fact, why was Joao Grade allowed in that Court after being found carrying drugs into prison ?  Amaral was, of course, the head druugs cop in the Algarve region.  Was he the one who let Grade off being charged fior that?

And Joao Grade and Amaral were buddies.  Grade attended Amarals ?50th birthday bash and according to the media offered to train Amaral as a Lawyer.



Now was that a  "CONFLICT OF INTERESTS " or not ?

I make absolutely no accusations, but think people should be aware of these things to weigh it up in their own minds

No wonder that one of the three judges refused to acknowledge the verdict.

[misty]

A bit slow on the uptake there imo.
53 weeks plus to catch on is hardly the speed of greased lightning is it?

Perhaps no-one in Portugal was interested in a case which had already been "solved"? There have been many reports of witnesses in the McCann case whose evidence was ignored by both the PJ & the Portuguese media as is was contrary to the narrative at the time.
All IMO.

[Alice Purjorick]

because I read the trial details when they were available....because it was discussed at length...there was no real evidence....it was claimed there was blood on the walls and the fridge...none was tested.....yet the proven facts stated joannas blood was found in the fridge.....the portuguese seem to think proven facts dont actually have to be proven

Which has already been stated, by another poster, was only what was printed in the tabloids and interpollations thereof.
Did you obtain the actual trial transcripts and have them translated?

[Mr Gray]

Which has already been stated, by another poster, was only what was printed in the tabloids and interpollations thereof.
Did you obtain the actual trial transcripts and have them translated?

Then the other poster is wrong....

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/07/supreme-court-of-justice-joana-case.html?m=1


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2969.0

[Alice Purjorick]

Then the other poster is wrong....

Why did you not correct her at the time?
So I take it you did not have the court transcripts translated and are working from Portuguese tabloid reports you translated into Googlish.

[Angelo222]

You have a Cite for this letter?

Your friend Marcos Aragão Correia drafted and delivered her letter clarifying what occurred.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/01/translation-of-leonor-ciprianos.html?m=1

[Angelo222]

I never heard of this letter.

Could we have a cite please Angelo

I seriously suggest you read up on that case again Sadie because this is basic stuff.

[misty]

Your friend Marcos Aragão Correia drafted and delivered her letter clarifying what occurred.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/01/translation-of-leonor-ciprianos.html?m=1

What purpose do you think that alternative "confession" served during the trial of the PJ Inspectors?

[Angelo222]

What purpose do you think that alternative "confession" served during the trial of the PJ Inspectors?

Leonor Cipriano was appealing her conviction so was trying to come clean as to what really happened.  The judges didn't buy it though.

[misty]

Leonor Cipriano was appealing her conviction so was trying to come clean as to what really happened.  The judges didn't buy it though.

I'm not quite understanding you. The new "confession" was delivered to the Faro court during the trial of the PJ Inspectors. How could it have affected any appeal she was making?

[Eleanor]

Your friend Marcos Aragão Correia drafted and delivered her letter clarifying what occurred.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/01/translation-of-leonor-ciprianos.html?m=1

This letter is not signed.  How does it make Leonor a murderer?

[Venturi Swirl]

So you don’t accept the ruling of the Portuguese court then?  Interesting...

[Eleanor]

So you don’t accept the ruling of the Portuguese court then?  Interesting...

One of The Judges didn't either.

[Angelo222]

This letter is not signed.  How does it make Leonor a murderer?

She claimed latterly in that letter to have been an accomplice after the event.

[Eleanor]

She claimed latterly in that letter to have been an accomplice after the event.

So was Joana to be sold?  Did Leonor agree to her being killed at the time?  How did she become an accomplice after the event?