Former Portuguese detective Gonçalo Amaral wins appeal in damages trial.

[stephen25000]

it's the next judgement that counts

Read above.

Likewise, take heed of John's comments.

[Mr Gray]

I would offer a word of caution to the McCanns given that the Portuguese judicial hierarchy appear to be on the side of free speech and at war with any attempt to stiffle it.   Isabel Duarte will go home with her fee regardless of the coutcomes, win or lose.  The only thing she might lose in taking this farcical legal action any further is a tad of credibility but the McCanns are facing ruin.  Let's not underestimate the damage that this latest ruling hascnow caused to the parents and the potential damage which a/failed application to the Supreme Court could do to them.  I fear they could be being badly advised as happened previously and we all know how that ended.

I share your concern for the blatant disregard of the McCanns human rights at the expense of amaral's right to free speech. As we all know free speech comes with responsibility and that is why free speech is NOT an absolute right. We do not have free speech on this forum for those reasons. If the Mccanns fail in portugal...which is not a given....they could take their case to the ECHR where i think their rights will carry more respect. i certainly would not give up if I were them

[Mr Gray]

Read above.

Likewise, take heed of John's comments.

I've replied to John

[stephen25000]

I share your concern for the blatant disregard of the McCanns human rights at the expense of amaral's right to free speech. As we all know free speech comes with responsibility and that is why free speech is NOT an absolute right. We do not have free speech on this forum for those reasons. If the Mccanns fail in portugal...which is not a given....they could take their case to the ECHR where i think their rights will carry more respect. i certainly would not give up if I were them

The mccanns human rights ?

What about Madeleine's dave ?

What on earth do you think the mccanns did in jeopardizing their 3 children's  ?

[Mr Gray]

The mccanns human rights ?

What about Madeleine's dave ?

What on earth do you think the mccanns did in jeopardizing their 3 children's  ?

you are taking the debate off topic as usual...this trial is about the balance between the human rights of the mccanns and those of amaral...that's it...

[stephen25000]

you are taking the debate off topic as usual...this trial is about the balance between the human rights of the mccanns and those of amaral...that's it...

No the trial was all about the mccanns pursuit of money and revenge.

Don't try to kid anyone on that.

[ferryman]

Why do you insist on the breach of judicial secrecy? That ship sailed ages ago.

That Amaral breached it you mean?

Of course.

So why did the appeal-court judges invoke the ruling they did?

[stephen25000]

That Amaral breached it you mean?

Of course.

So why did the appeal-court judges invoke the ruling they did?

How many times do you have to be told.

Read the judgement.

[ferryman]

How many times do you have to be told.

Read the judgement.

I have.

You should do the same.

The appeal court judges invoked to s/he who is willing, no harm can come.

That was a misapplication of Portuguese law (because Amaral breached judicial secrecy in writing it).

Or, if the case really is as open-and-shut as the appeal court judges portray it, the McCanns will not be granted leave to appeal (as they will have no grounds).

[G-Unit]

I think Amaral had The Gaspar Statements long before he was sacked, but what with all the mess he left behind, this would be impossible to prove.

That's the point really. We don't know why the PJ asked for the statements, it's perfectly possible they had mislaid them somehow. Either that or they didn't have the originals for some reason, just translated copies which they wanted to check against the originals. I thought that because of what it says at the beginning of the statements, the translations had been revised;

Final revised translation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

[stephen25000]

I have.

You should do the same.

The appeal court judges invoked to s/he who is willing, no harm can come.

That was a misapplication of Portuguese law (because Amaral breached judicial secrecy in writing it).

Or, if the case really is as open-and-shut as the appeal court judges portray it, the McCanns will not be granted leave to appeal (as they will have no grounds).

There was no mis-application of Portuguese law.

The mccanns will make an even bigger mistake trying to take this to the Supreme Court.

and they will get the rancor they deserve.

[ShiningInLuz]

MOD NOTE

We seem to be getting back into the personal attacks scenario.

Kindly cease and desist.

Thanks.

[Mr Gray]

There was no mis-application of Portuguese law.

The mccanns will make an even bigger mistake trying to take this to the Supreme Court.

and they will get the rancor they deserve.

they will be taking advice from someone who understands the law...they should carry on. The portuguese judgement is a disgrace...imo..and I feel sure the ECHR will agree if it has to go that far

[stephen25000]

they will be taking advice from someone who understands the law...they should carry on. The portuguese judgement is a disgrace...imo..and I feel sure the ECHR will agree if it has to go that far

The mccanns and their supporters are going to be very disappointed.

It was never a disgrace.

The disgrace was the mccanns bringing the case to court in the first place, as a result of what they did.

[Mr Gray]

The mccanns and their supporters are going to be very disappointed.

It was never a disgrace.

The disgrace was the mccanns bringing the case to court in the first place, as a result of what they did.

thats your opinion...my opinion is that you are wrong