Former Portuguese detective Gonçalo Amaral wins appeal in damages trial.

[stephen25000]

Didn't quite catch your answer to my question.

Did Amaral lie?

Or was Amaral incompetent?

You're wasting time ferryman.

Did the mccanns lie ?

Or were the mccanns incompetent.

Now as long as you prattle on about the judgement, I will ask you those two questions.


Remember ferryman, the mccanns started with a lie.

The apartment was LOCKED, then it became UNLOCKED.

So which was the truth ?

[G-Unit]

About what's in the files (and about what Amaral says are in the files).

Total misrepresentation of what Mark Harrison said (and did)

Claim to have corrected and contradicted Stuart Prior on interpretation of the forensic results.

Claim that Stuart Prior rang the FSS to berate them on the PJ's powers of arrest.

Claim that Eddie 'scented death' all over the place, when neither Harrison nor Grime said the same.

Claim that English police officers wore 'find Madeleine' ribbons.

That'll do.

Did he lie?

Or was he incompetent?

Why don't we ask the judge who ruled in favour of the McCanns?

28. (Items 27 & 28) It is proved that the facts in the book and in the documentary, concerning the investigation, are mostly facts that took place in the investigation and are documented as such. 


Although;28. The Judge does note that some of the facts in the book are not complete, and some facts that are in the book are not in the case files, including Jane Tanner's alleged "informal" recognition of Robert Murat. 

He knew things which didn't end up being documented in the files, it seems. That is perfectly possible.


 

[Lace]

nobody likes  people  dictating     what they can   read etc like  mos t things    it makes   people  want to  read it  more  censorship  doesnt work because of that  if they had  been   more mature about this  they would have ignored   the  book if it upset them so  much imo

So you would have ignored a book that accused you of drugging and hiding your child would you?   Tell the truth of course you wouldn't.

He portrayed himself as the man who caught the McCann's out,   but in reality he had misunderstood the forensic reports and devised a theory based on what he decided had happened.   

[Lace]

Why don't we ask the judge who ruled in favour of the McCanns?

28. (Items 27 & 28) It is proved that the facts in the book and in the documentary, concerning the investigation, are mostly facts that took place in the investigation and are documented as such.


Although;28. The Judge does note that some of the facts in the book are not complete, and some facts that are in the book are not in the case files, including Jane Tanner's alleged "informal" recognition of Robert Murat.

He knew things which didn't end up being documented in the files, it seems. That is perfectly possible.

FACTS they are not facts though are they?   Nothing was proven otherwise the McCann's would have been arrested and  charged.

[Alice Purjorick]

The judge who made the judgement Amaral appealed was incredibly amiss if she missed something as glaringly obvious (in Portuguese law) as that Amaral did not breach laws of secrecy (in writing his book) which (if he had, indeed, avoided that trap) would result in an effective annulment of the usual rules of libel.

In preparing the book for publication, Amaral assuredly breached judicial secrecy.

Explain precisely how that works then.

[Angelo222]

no one is forgetting maddie.....you are totally wrong imo...as far as amaral is concerned she is dead and the death coverd up by her parents...how the hell will that view find maddie

You are assuming she is alive which I severely doubt.  Even dead she needs to be found and given a proper burial.

[jassi]

In my opinion there appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding in Portugal of the use of the media in a missing person case.

The three learned judges have missed the entire purpose of such media interviews ~ which in Britain are conducted under the auspices and control of the police ~ an assistance from which the McCanns did not benefit.

The learned judges seem to evidence a total failure of comprehension of the purpose of the McCann media appearances which I find extraordinary.

The reasoning behind the learned judges reaching the conclusion that the McCanns were therefore expressing an opinion and pushing their theory ... giving Mr Amaral the right to publish a book about his ... is I think an extraordinary conclusion to reach.
It shows imo a totally different set of attitudes and thought processes regarding what to do in the event a child goes missing alien to most Western democracies, and leads one to wonder how any foreign national can expect a fair hearing in a civil case such as this one.


quote ~ "By proceeding in this manner, they opened the way for anyone to equally express an opinion about the case, contradicting their thesis – without losing their right to exercise a legitimate, and constitutionally consecrated, right to an opinion and a freedom of expression of thought." ~ end quote

It really has nothing to do with a missing child, or indeed any other crime.
It is the application of law according to that country. The fact that the application is different to UK is irrelevant - the Court sits in Portugal.
A similar trial set in USA may well have a given a different result to that expected by a UK citizen

[stephen25000]

Well you were up in arms about someone abusing another on this forum.    What if that person had accused the poster of all that Amaral accused the McCann's of?   and then wrote a book about it.

What did kate mccann say about Murat  ?

There are two sides to every coin.

Time you realized that.

[Angelo222]

Unless there is a confession,  she is not going to found - IMO.

or information is forthcoming from someone in the know.

[Lace]

Why don't we ask the judge who ruled in favour of the McCanns?

28. (Items 27 & 28) It is proved that the facts in the book and in the documentary, concerning the investigation, are mostly facts that took place in the investigation and are documented as such.


Although;28. The Judge does note that some of the facts in the book are not complete, and some facts that are in the book are not in the case files, including Jane Tanner's alleged "informal" recognition of Robert Murat.

He knew things which didn't end up being documented in the files, it seems. That is perfectly possible.

His video starts with 'let me tell you what REALLY happened'   or similar,   in other words he is saying what he thought happened is the truth,   but it's not is it,  otherwise he would have arrested the McCann's and charged them.

[stephen25000]

Well you were up in arms about someone abusing another on this forum.    What if that person had accused the poster of all that Amaral accused the McCann's of?   and then wrote a book about it.

You do know what a thesis is , don't you ?

[Lace]

What did kate mccann say about Murat  ?

There are two sides to every coin.

Time you realized that.

We have been over what Kate said about Murat,  IN A PRIVATE DIARY and why she said these things,  you have a very short memory Stephen.

[Angelo222]

It really has nothing to do with a missing child, or indeed any other crime.
It is the application of law according to that country. The fact that the application is different to UK is irrelevant - the Court sits in Portugal.
A similar trial set in USA may well have a given a different result to that expected by a UK citizen

That's just it jassi, some people are attempting to apply English law to Portugal and that just isn't logical.  The onus is completely different in Portugal as is their laws on freedom of speech.

[Lace]

You do know what a thesis is , don't you ?

Yes,  I've written one myself,  and?

[Angelo222]

His video starts with 'let me tell you what REALLY happened'   or similar,   in other words he is saying what he thought happened is the truth,   but it's not is it,  otherwise he would have arrested the McCann's and charged them.

The truth is neither you or I or Amaral know the truth and two former suspects did all they could to make dam sure that never changed.