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Offline Mr Gray

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #360 on: September 28, 2020, 04:53:27 PM »
You've a lot to say? I've said it before, put your **** on the block and tell him what you've got to say.
He's on Linkedin, but I think you're too intimidated by a real expert to actually challenge him.

I'm sure he already knows the truth..
I'm not easily intimidated.. Drop the nut... Then right uppercut to the ribs as they crumple.. Works a treat
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #361 on: September 28, 2020, 05:49:29 PM »
I contacted Amaral via Linkedin and told him what I thought of him (I used Google Translate) and got a very nice reply from him basically agreeing with the general thrust of my argument but as the email was marked “private and confidential “ I can’t go into details.  Suffice it to say, the man knows his faults, and he agrees with me that they are myriad.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #362 on: September 28, 2020, 08:18:46 PM »
I don't really care what they've discussed.. I prefer to wait and hear what the concrete evidence is.  I'm not daft enough to try and claim Wolters has nothing of any significance

You can wait as long as you like, the facts on mobile phone evidence in 2007 isn't going to change.


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #363 on: September 28, 2020, 08:23:03 PM »
You can wait as long as you like, the facts on mobile phone evidence in 2007 isn't going to change.

the facts wont change but whether sils interpretaion is correct I would not blindly accept

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #364 on: September 28, 2020, 10:58:40 PM »
An interesting article on the subject, written in 2008

Below, you’ll find the text of the original 2008 article by L. Scott Harrell:


I hesitated to include this article since cell phone pinging has always been something of an urban legend among the private investigation and bail enforcement communities. However, I do know for certain that it is absolutely possible and that many fugitives and abducted children have been recovered through the use of cell phone pinging by various State and Federal law enforcement agencies.

Do you remember when President Bush went to the Middle East on a surprise visit to the troops not too long ago? The media made a big deal about the fact that the Secret Service made everyone onboard Air Force One, including the President, take the battery out of their cell phones so that the “real bad guys” didn’t know of their location.

Voila! (Cell phone pinging has gotten someone’s attention.) I was convinced to include the article because a trusted peer indicated that he too had luck with a locate at one time and anyone interested in locating another person may at least have the need to understand the technology and the process of locating cellular phones.

There are two ways a cellular network provider can locate a phone connected to their network, either through pinging or triangulation. Pinging is a digital process and triangulation is an analog process.

A cell phone “ping” is quite simply the process of determining the location, with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities, it is very similar to GPS vehicle tracking systems. To “ping” in this context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it respond with the requested data.

The term is derived from SONAR and echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and wait for its return to locate another object. New generation cell phones and mobile service providers are required by federal mandate, via the “E-911” program, to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be able to determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone call. When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that the phone has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can be located within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet of the cell phone.

With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the phone is to within a hundred feet or so using “triangulation” because at any one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6 to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the phone’s carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can triangulate the phone’s approximate position.

Similar technology is used to track down lost aircraft and yachts through their radio beacons. It’s not identical because most radio beacons use satellites and older cell phones use land-based aerial arrays but the principle is the same.

Not surprisingly, the phone network companies are shy about admitting they have this ability. The triangulation and pinging capability of mobile phone network companies varies according to the age of their equipment. A few can only do it manually with a big drain on skilled manpower. But these days most companies can generate the information automatically, which makes it cheap enough to sell.

Some nefarious service providers have indicated that they have either developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof). I highly suspect that these “cell phone ping service providers” I see advertising from time to time are actually using a good ol’ fashioned pretext to obtain the location of a cell phone rather than using an actual ping. If you do come across a real provider, please let me know.

There you have it- the short course regarding the technical capability of locating cell phones and those who possess them either through pinging or triangulation. Again, I cannot speak to the commercial availability of such a service but like anything else in the investigative business; for now I believe that mobile-phone pinging is largely urban myth among private investigators, fugitive recovery investigators and skip tracers.
https://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/
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Offline Venturi Swirl

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Online Eleanor

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #366 on: September 28, 2020, 11:10:31 PM »
Criminals amongst others still haven't sussed that Cell phones place you where you are.

Never take your cell phone with you if you are likely to commit a crime.

Offline G-Unit

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #367 on: September 28, 2020, 11:20:30 PM »
An interesting article on the subject, written in 2008

Below, you’ll find the text of the original 2008 article by L. Scott Harrell:


I hesitated to include this article since cell phone pinging has always been something of an urban legend among the private investigation and bail enforcement communities. However, I do know for certain that it is absolutely possible and that many fugitives and abducted children have been recovered through the use of cell phone pinging by various State and Federal law enforcement agencies.

Do you remember when President Bush went to the Middle East on a surprise visit to the troops not too long ago? The media made a big deal about the fact that the Secret Service made everyone onboard Air Force One, including the President, take the battery out of their cell phones so that the “real bad guys” didn’t know of their location.

Voila! (Cell phone pinging has gotten someone’s attention.) I was convinced to include the article because a trusted peer indicated that he too had luck with a locate at one time and anyone interested in locating another person may at least have the need to understand the technology and the process of locating cellular phones.

There are two ways a cellular network provider can locate a phone connected to their network, either through pinging or triangulation. Pinging is a digital process and triangulation is an analog process.

A cell phone “ping” is quite simply the process of determining the location, with reasonable accuracy, of a cell phone at any given point in time by utilizing the phone GPS location aware capabilities, it is very similar to GPS vehicle tracking systems. To “ping” in this context means to send a signal to a particular cell phone and have it respond with the requested data.

The term is derived from SONAR and echolocation when a technician would send out a sound wave, or ping, and wait for its return to locate another object. New generation cell phones and mobile service providers are required by federal mandate, via the “E-911” program, to be or become GPS capable so that 911 operators will be able to determine the location of a caller who is making an emergency phone call. When a new digital cell phone is pinged, it determines its latitude and longitude via GPS and sends these coordinates back via the SMS system (the same system used to send text messages). This means that in instances where a fugitive or other missing person has a GPS enabled cell phone (and that the phone has power when being polled, or pinged) that the cell phone can be located within a reasonable geographic area- some say within several feet of the cell phone.

With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the phone is to within a hundred feet or so using “triangulation” because at any one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6 to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the phone’s carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can triangulate the phone’s approximate position.

Similar technology is used to track down lost aircraft and yachts through their radio beacons. It’s not identical because most radio beacons use satellites and older cell phones use land-based aerial arrays but the principle is the same.

Not surprisingly, the phone network companies are shy about admitting they have this ability. The triangulation and pinging capability of mobile phone network companies varies according to the age of their equipment. A few can only do it manually with a big drain on skilled manpower. But these days most companies can generate the information automatically, which makes it cheap enough to sell.

Some nefarious service providers have indicated that they have either developed sources within mobile telephone service providers to be able to get this information upon request or have access to the software interfaces to accomplish this on their own (or some variant thereof). I highly suspect that these “cell phone ping service providers” I see advertising from time to time are actually using a good ol’ fashioned pretext to obtain the location of a cell phone rather than using an actual ping. If you do come across a real provider, please let me know.

There you have it- the short course regarding the technical capability of locating cell phones and those who possess them either through pinging or triangulation. Again, I cannot speak to the commercial availability of such a service but like anything else in the investigative business; for now I believe that mobile-phone pinging is largely urban myth among private investigators, fugitive recovery investigators and skip tracers.
https://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/

The information which was obtained from Vodaphone did not include pings. As it was mostly all from one Mast triangulation was also not possible.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #368 on: September 28, 2020, 11:41:48 PM »
Criminals amongst others still haven't sussed that Cell phones place you where you are.

Never take your cell phone with you if you are likely to commit a crime.
What about taking someone else's phone when you are committing a crime.
Did someone else borrow CB phone on the 3rd?
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Online Eleanor

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #369 on: September 28, 2020, 11:52:24 PM »
What about taking someone else's phone when you are committing a crime.
Did someone else borrow CB phone on the 3rd?

You think?  But there is the rub.  But then Brueckner would know who borrowed his phone.

Offline G-Unit

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #370 on: September 29, 2020, 12:56:52 AM »
What about taking someone else's phone when you are committing a crime.
Did someone else borrow CB phone on the 3rd?

That's why they were looking for the person who made the call; to ask them who they spoke to.
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Offline sadie

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #371 on: September 29, 2020, 01:25:35 AM »
That's why they were looking for the person who made the call; to ask them who they spoke to.

Or to find out if the mystery phone man commissioned CB to do the job of abducting Madeleine ?  And who he was ?
Was he the one who gave the orders and instructions to CB ?

Just one of several possibilities.

Online Eleanor

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #372 on: September 29, 2020, 01:43:52 AM »
Or to find out if the mystery phone man commissioned CB to do the job of abducting Madeleine ?  And who he was ?
Was he the one who gave the orders and instructions to CB ?

Just one of several possibilities.

There is a serious lack of common sense going on here.

Offline sadie

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #373 on: September 29, 2020, 03:08:13 AM »
There is a serious lack of common sense going on here.

Lateral thing, Elli   +   knowledge that no one else knows.

I don't expect anyone else will agree with me, but then they don't know half the facts that I know


Has anyone on here stopped to think 'why doesn't SY agree with the German point of view? '
Anyone got any ideas?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #374 on: September 29, 2020, 03:38:47 AM »
You think?  But there is the rub.  But then Brueckner would know who borrowed his phone.
Maybe not if he left it at home, and was out long enough for it to be returned before he got back.  Has anyone on the forum ever did this of naughty prank?

Send a text on someone else's phone?  Or make a phonecall using a phone lying around?  It would feel wrong but would they really care?  It could be his excuse of why his phone was in PDL.
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