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Offline Anthro

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #450 on: October 01, 2020, 11:33:34 AM »
Brückner’s casino membership at Praia da Rocha.

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Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #451 on: October 01, 2020, 12:24:24 PM »
Also the following, Brietta:
“Hazel Behan ... filed a complaint for a violation almost identical to that of Diana Menkes except that at Praia da Rocha in this development near the Casino where Christian Brueckner had a customer card."
Sexta ŕs 9 Episódio 25 - de 10 Jul 2020.

Therefore he had known close proximity to both rape crime scenes and plenty of opportunity to watch and wait at both without any casual observer thinking a thing about seeing him there.

If anyone had any suspicion and had challenged him as a result, he was legitimately on a beach path leading to his home and in an hotel in which he had membership of the casino.  Absolutely bomb proof explanations in both instances.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #452 on: October 01, 2020, 12:30:02 PM »
This is what the media said;

But today it emerged the DNA evidence collected from the crime scene was destroyed around two months before Madeleine's disappearance, meaning the chance of making any solid link between the two cases if the same offender was responsible could now prove impossible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8442487/Portuguese-prosecutors-DESTROYED-vital-DNA-evidence.html

This is what was actually destroyed;

'On March 15 2007 when the judge decides to archive the investigation, the Public Ministry decide any biological material should be destroyed.

They add: 'As they are in a bad condition it is improbable that if this re-investigation was reopened the material could be subjected to counterproof analysis.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8442487/Portuguese-prosecutors-DESTROYED-vital-DNA-evidence.html

They did find DNA;

The documents make it clear DNA was obtained but no match.

So did they destroy this DNA? No, they destroyed the source of the DNA. The DNA profile(s) they obtained would have been recorded in reports and those reports were not destroyed.

It's normal to destroy the samples; the FSS were suggesting they were going to destroy the biological samples in the McCann case very early on, but they kept the results.

Exactly what I was thinking.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #453 on: October 01, 2020, 01:30:06 PM »
Exactly what I was thinking.

Journalists seem to have confused actual samples with DNA on them and the evidence produced from those samples in my opinion. It seems the evidence doesn't show a DNA match with CB, and neither does the victim's description of his bodily blemishes. What I don't understand is why the victim went public. What did she hope to gain?
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Offline Lace

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« Reply #454 on: October 01, 2020, 02:23:52 PM »
Journalists seem to have confused actual samples with DNA on them and the evidence produced from those samples in my opinion. It seems the evidence doesn't show a DNA match with CB, and neither does the victim's description of his bodily blemishes. What I don't understand is why the victim went public. What did she hope to gain?

The victim obviously went public as she wanted the Police to open her case,  she wanted to know if CB was responsible,  to have closure.
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Offline jassi

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #455 on: October 01, 2020, 02:39:06 PM »
Well it looks as if CB is not responsible, nor has she got closure.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #456 on: October 01, 2020, 02:42:22 PM »
Well it looks as if CB is not responsible, nor has she got closure.

We don't know where the evidence will take the German investigation.  I think it would be a good idea to wait and see.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #457 on: October 01, 2020, 02:48:03 PM »
We don't know where the evidence will take the German investigation.  I think it would be a good idea to wait and see.

If it doesn't involve CB, then they won't be interested - IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #458 on: October 01, 2020, 03:12:31 PM »
The victim obviously went public as she wanted the Police to open her case,  she wanted to know if CB was responsible,  to have closure.

Which came first then? Her interview with 'London Police' who allegedly told her that;

they were taking her case very seriously and would be contacting Portuguese police.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann/irish-womans-rape-in-portugal-may-be-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-suspect-39389764.html

or her decision to speak to the newspapers in June?
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Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #459 on: October 01, 2020, 03:59:15 PM »
If it doesn't involve CB, then they won't be interested - IMO

They won't know who might be in the frame for the vicious rape until they have checked out all the evidence and I doubt very much if he would have left much since he came well prepared.

Not all police are like the Portuguese who don't seem to attach too much importance to thoroughly investigating crimes such as this or treating the victims with appropriate sensibility.
Whether the perpetrator is thought to be Brueckner or another pervert entirely I think the Germans will take the investigation as far as it will go in the interests of justice.

Snip
Ms Behan’s attacker, who removed his shoes at the door and set up a video camera in the room, told her not to scream. He dragged her into the living area and tied her to the countertop of the breakfast bar, before producing a bag of whips and chains. Using scissors to remove her clothes, he gagged her with cloth so she could not scream, and proceeded to beat and rape her.

She said: “It seemed to me he had worked everything out, he had a plan and was very deliberate. He consistently cleaned his hands, and repeatedly changed condoms. This went on, I guess, for around four or five hours.
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Ms Behan was taken to the local hospital where a gynaecologist examined her, but she does not know if any forensic evidence was taken. She says no attempt was made to examine her wounds for evidence. When she returned to the room several days later with her parents, “my Mam found a nail of mine on the bed which must have come off in the initial scuffle. So I am not very confident that they examined the room closely.”

Ms Behan added: “I had little hope over the last 16 years that they would find the man who did this. I was told at the time that I should just be quiet, that if I talked about what had happened I would bring bad publicity to the resort and put off the tourists.

“Then I read about the poor American woman who was raped in September 2005 - who I would love to talk to - and the possible link that was being made between her attack and the person who abducted Madeleine McCann, and I was so full of anger, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do to speak out.

“I think if the police had done their job investigating what happened to me, if this is indeed the same man that attacked the American and abducted Madeleine McCann, they might have prevented the attack on her, and Madeleine would now be at home with her parents.”


German police and London’s Metropolitan police are thought to have identified the German man as a key suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. They have appealed to the public for any information and have received about 400 calls.

Ms Behan, who lives in Ireland with her husband and two children, has given a statement to the UK’s Met, who informed her they were taking her case seriously and would be contacting Portuguese police. Ms Behan said the Met had informed her that other people had contacted them independently about her attack.

“They offered everything they can do to help me,” she said. “It’s the first time in 16 years that I’ve been offered any help from an official. I live in hope of finally getting closure on an extremely difficult chapter in my life.” She added: “Speaking out about this is difficult, but in my gut I feel it is the right thing to do.”

The Met would not comment on Ms Behan’s case but the force reiterated its appeal for “anyone with information to come forward and speak with us”. Portuguese police have not responded to a request for comment.– Guardian
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/irish-rape-victim-asks-mccann-detectives-to-review-her-case-after-hearing-about-new-suspect-1.4274446
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #460 on: October 01, 2020, 04:08:03 PM »
Which came first then? Her interview with 'London Police' who allegedly told her that;

they were taking her case very seriously and would be contacting Portuguese police.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann/irish-womans-rape-in-portugal-may-be-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-suspect-39389764.html

or her decision to speak to the newspapers in June?

I think of more interest is the fact that the Portuguese did little other than treating her inappropriately and embarrassing her by their conduct in a way no victim of crime should be exposed to.

They certainly did not investigate the crime as they should which in my opinion is why she leapt at first opportunity to have it investigated when she could.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #461 on: October 01, 2020, 04:08:55 PM »
An Irish victim, A Portuguese crime scene, a German investigation team and a perpetrator of unknown nationality.
I don't think the Germans would pursue that one too far.
If CB is out of the frame for this rape, then the Germans will lose interest.

All IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #462 on: October 01, 2020, 04:10:50 PM »
An Irish victim, A Portuguese crime scene, a German investigation team and a perpetrator of unknown nationality.
I don't think the Germans would pursue that one too far.
If CB is out of the frame for this rape, then the Germans will lose interest.

All IMO

You can only keep on hoping.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #463 on: October 01, 2020, 04:15:30 PM »
I don't care one way or the other whether or not he committed this rape, but I wouldn't like to see a miscarriage of justice.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline kizzy

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #464 on: October 01, 2020, 04:17:09 PM »
You can only keep on hoping.

Yes and so can you.