"no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive

[G-Unit]

In which case it may have been unlocked for days or weeks.

We'll never know.

[Venturi Swirl]

We'll never know.

No, but it can’t be ruled out, no point discussing it further then.

[Alice Purjorick]

I had linked to that video many times in the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzpniKAWvUI&feature=youtu.be

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8391.msg418476#msg418476 has the link in the quoted bit plus a link to Peter Mac opening the shutters at 5A.  Bloody classic.

Ah the much vaunted top and tailed vidclip of a bolster being abducted.......priceless.

[Brietta]

Ah the much vaunted top and tailed vidclip of a bolster being abducted.......priceless.

An officer attempts to enter the apartment through Maddie's bedroom window

In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones.

The investigators entered the apartment around 3 p.m. and soon after opened the shutters of the window to the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her siblings on the night she disappeared. Next, they passed a blue blanket through the window, folded like it was covering a child's body.

Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
Moments later, the team turned their attention on the rest of the house ...
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm



Hmmm ... more or less priceless than the Portuguese police trying it out with a blue blanket as part of their investigation?

At least you can remember the video showing the technique used to raise the shutter and open the window before raising the shutter higher from outside.
Which according to the above report seems to have been mastered in jig time by Rebelo who did it repeatedly and probably by every burglar operating in the Algarve at the time.

[pathfinder73]

Mistakes happen, even cleaners make them sometimes.  Or maybe it was left open deliberately?  Just a thought...

The cleaner lost her job because of this case so I would rule deliberately out.

2007 130 employees - April 2009 28 employees (according to this report)

[Alice Purjorick]

An officer attempts to enter the apartment through Maddie's bedroom window

In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones.

The investigators entered the apartment around 3 p.m. and soon after opened the shutters of the window to the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her siblings on the night she disappeared. Next, they passed a blue blanket through the window, folded like it was covering a child's body.

Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
Moments later, the team turned their attention on the rest of the house ...
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm



Hmmm ... more or less priceless than the Portuguese police trying it out with a blue blanket as part of their investigation?

At least you can remember the video showing the technique used to raise the shutter and open the window before raising the shutter higher from outside.
Which according to the above report seems to have been mastered in jig time by Rebelo who did it repeatedly and probably by every burglar operating in the Algarve at the time.

The police were doing the job they were paid to do.
Heri,Pat and Peter are all self appointed busybodies with axes to grind. That is the difference in my book.
Of course I can remember the video and technique!. I had a career which involved, in part, investigating why things went bang or bumped into each other or didn't quite do either but nonetheless were incidents requiring investigation. You would be surprised the blx one is fed, in the expectation one will believe it, both intentionally and unintentionally.
Rule 1 Don't prejudge.
Rule 2 Don't believe what you have been told until you or a team member has verfied it from at least two differing routes.

[Mr Gray]

The police were doing the job they were paid to do.
Heri,Pat and Peter are all self appointed busybodies with axes to grind. That is the difference in my book.
Of course I can remember the video and technique!. I had a career which involved, in part, investigating why things went bang or bumped into each other or didn't quite do either but nonetheless were incidents requiring investigation. You would be surprised the blx one is fed, in the expectation one will believe it, both intentionally and unintentionally.
Rule 1 Don't prejudge.
Rule 2 Don't believe what you have been told until you or a team member has verfied it from at least two differing routes.

It's al about the evidence and understanding the evidence... When the man leading the operation thinks the evidence proves something when it doesn't... Then there isn't much chance of the crime being solved

[Alice Purjorick]

It's al about the evidence and understanding the evidence... When the man leading the operation thinks the evidence proves something when it doesn't... Then there isn't much chance of the crime being solved

Who was leading the investigation then?

[Brietta]

The police were doing the job they were paid to do.
Heri,Pat and Peter are all self appointed busybodies with axes to grind. That is the difference in my book.
Of course I can remember the video and technique!. I had a career which involved, in part, investigating why things went bang or bumped into each other or didn't quite do either but nonetheless were incidents requiring investigation. You would be surprised the blx one is fed, in the expectation one will believe it, both intentionally and unintentionally.
Rule 1 Don't prejudge.
Rule 2 Don't believe what you have been told until you or a team member has verfied it from at least two differing routes.

Then your criteria appears to have been met in spades by Heri, Pat, Peter and the PJ team of 29 October 2007.

[Alice Purjorick]

Then your criteria appears to have been met in spades by Heri, Pat, Peter and the PJ team of 29 October 2007.

On what basis are you including "the PJ team of 29 October 2007" ?
The problem that exists for supporters and sceptics alike as I see it is that they are totally dependent on photos videoclips and information posted on that tinternet.

Photos and video clips are essentially the same media, being manipulable so therefore of questionable reliability.
The first ever war photographer was Roger Fenton. Debate still "rages" around whether his photo of "The Valley of Death" was rigged. That's since 1854!. So let's acknowledge the photographic medium can be a bit unreliable.
Internet? part of computing. All you need know about a computer "It is a big dumb fast adding machine that knows nothing until you tell it something. If you tell it the sun rises in the west it will believe you but worse than that is thereafter if you say the sun rises in the east it will tell you you are wrong". That tinternet is pretty much the same. The absence of something in an internet search means just that and no more.

So against that backdrop from the comfort of the sitting room the answer will likely be a lemon.
Best get down the Algarve and read the files in the court then have a good look around making sure you have taken an appropriate expert with you to interpret what you are looking at. As most on here still can't work out how a roller shutter works and it only has about five basic components, understanding anything with seven or eight or more basic components would cause major headaches IMO.

[Mr Gray]

On what basis are you including "the PJ team of 29 October 2007" ?
The problem that exists for supporters and sceptics alike as I see it is that they are totally dependent on photos videoclips and information posted on that tinternet.

Photos and video clips are essentially the same media, being manipulable so therefore of questionable reliability.
The first ever war photographer was Roger Fenton. Debate still "rages" around whether his photo of "The Valley of Death" was rigged. That's since 1854!. So let's acknowledge the photographic medium can be a bit unreliable.
Internet? part of computing. All you need know about a computer "It is a big dumb fast adding machine that knows nothing until you tell it something. If you tell it the sun rises in the west it will believe you but worse than that is thereafter if you say the sun rises in the east it will tell you you are wrong". That tinternet is pretty much the same. The absence of something in an internet search means just that and no more.

So against that backdrop from the comfort of the sitting room the answer will likely be a lemon.
Best get down the Algarve and read the files in the court then have a good look around making sure you have taken an appropriate expert with you to interpret what you are looking at. As most on here still can't work out how a roller shutter works and it only has about five basic components, understanding anything with seven or eight or more basic components would cause major headaches IMO.

We have the original police files to work with.... Then it still comes down to an ability to assess and understand the evidence

[Sunny]

We have the original police files to work with.... Then it still comes down to an ability to assess and understand the evidence

I was under the impression that some supporters claimed that the files were wrong either due to mistranslation or because they were translated in the first place. I am sure you are one of those that said that too Davel.

[Brietta]

On what basis are you including "the PJ team of 29 October 2007" ?
The problem that exists for supporters and sceptics alike as I see it is that they are totally dependent on photos videoclips and information posted on that tinternet.

Photos and video clips are essentially the same media, being manipulable so therefore of questionable reliability.
The first ever war photographer was Roger Fenton. Debate still "rages" around whether his photo of "The Valley of Death" was rigged. That's since 1854!. So let's acknowledge the photographic medium can be a bit unreliable.
Internet? part of computing. All you need know about a computer "It is a big dumb fast adding machine that knows nothing until you tell it something. If you tell it the sun rises in the west it will believe you but worse than that is thereafter if you say the sun rises in the east it will tell you you are wrong". That tinternet is pretty much the same. The absence of something in an internet search means just that and no more.

So against that backdrop from the comfort of the sitting room the answer will likely be a lemon.
Best get down the Algarve and read the files in the court then have a good look around making sure you have taken an appropriate expert with you to interpret what you are looking at. As most on here still can't work out how a roller shutter works and it only has about five basic components, understanding anything with seven or eight or more basic components would cause major headaches IMO.

So Paulo Rebelo and his team taking over the investigation and blowing the cobwebs off it to introduce it to modern policing methods is all a figment ??? 
Please don't allow me to discombobulate your thinking along those lines ... but it would be worth bearing in mind the remedial solution you suggest in your post might be considered extreme for members of a discussion forum.
Particularly since it appears you may not have bothered to 'dry run' your suggested solution to others for efficacy yourself.   

[Brietta]

Once again we are drifting way off topic ... "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
Bearing in mind that neither is there evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Topic, please.

[Robittybob1]

Videos and photos can be manipulated by Photoshop.
Statements can be recorded incorrectly and subject to poor translation.
Witness memory can be affected by False Memory Syndrome.

I the end can we trust any investigation?  I think in the end the British system of recording interviews on video must just about make it impossible to record a statement falsely.

Despite this two of the rogatory interviews in the PJ file had problems with the recordings.