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Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4125 on: March 27, 2019, 01:33:22 AM »
Thank you for posting that, Faithlilly.

Offline faithlilly

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4126 on: March 31, 2019, 12:30:34 AM »
Are police about to abandon Maddie inquiry? After eight years and £12million, detectives have NO new leads or suspects…and the money is running out
Scotland Yard's hunt for Madeleine McCann has 'no earth-shattering leads'
Detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007
The Home Office provided £150k for four detectives to work on the operation
They are due to finish at the end of this month when money runs out
By MARK HOOKHAM and MARK WOOD FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

The £12 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is at risk of being abandoned as leads dry up and Government funding runs out, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Scotland Yard’s hunt for Madeleine is understood to have no ‘earth-shattering leads’ and detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007.
The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month.

The Metropolitan Police is understood to have sought a further £300,000, but officials last night admitted no decision on future funding has been made.
Madeleine was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve as her parents, Gerry and Kate, dined with friends at a nearby restaurant.
Portuguese police shelved their investigation in 2008 but Scotland Yard launched its own inquiry in 2011. At its height, 31 detectives worked on the case, but the investigation was dramatically scaled back in 2015.

A well-placed source said the remaining handful of detectives have been carrying out ‘grunt work’ which includes tracking down and eliminating known sex offenders and finding possible witnesses rather than pursuing hard leads.
‘Most of what Operation Grange is doing is having things set up to knock down and rule out, rather than pursuing a particular fantastic lead that could unlock it all,’ the source said. ‘I’m not aware of any earth-shattering lead or breakthrough imminently.’

The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month. (Pictured) British Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall arriving at Faro police station in December 2014
Much of the work is understood to take place in London. Detectives made just two trips to Portugal in 2017-18, which involved five return flights costing £1,240. They usually stay at the upmarket Estrela da Luz hotel but a bar manager there said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for nearly a year, probably last May.’
Instead, sources say the focus has shifted to Eastern Europe as detectives examine the theory that Madeleine was abducted by child-traffickers. It is understood they went to great lengths to trace a couple believed to be from Bulgaria who were staying near Praia da Luz at the time of her disappearance. The man, who was believed to have been a paedophile, had died but officers struggled to find the woman, despite help from Interpol.
Operation Grange has so far cost £11.75 million, including more than £10 million on salaries, over £440,000 on overtime and about £287,000 on travel costs.
A source close to the investigation said the Home Office would be ‘clinical’ in deciding whether to approve more funding. ‘The bottom line is they need to be able to present an argument that suggests they still have stuff to do.’
The inquiry is led by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall. Her team comprises a detective sergeant and three detective constables based at Putney police station in South-West London.
Former Met Commander Brian Paddick said investigations like Operation Grange were adding to the pressure on Scotland Yard detectives. ‘Clearly there is a national shortage of detectives and any detective that is taken away from other duties in order to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is going to have an impact,’ he said.
In an interview with Vogue magazine in 2013, DCI Wall spoke of her fondness for Saga Noren, the fictional detective in the Scandinavian TV drama The Bridge, whom she described as ‘quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable’. The Met veteran was said to attribute her low media profile to the fact ‘we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved’.
But the search for Madeleine has so far proved fruitless. Locals in Praia da Luz this weekend said they had seen little evidence of any ongoing police inquiries for almost a year.
A worker at the Ocean Club Resort, from where Madeleine disappeared, said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for a long time. I think that is a good thing as far as the locals are concerned, they are tired of the area being associated with such a tragic event.’
A Met spokesman said: ‘The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains ongoing.’ A spokesman for the McCanns said: ‘Kate and Gerry remain incredibly grateful to the Metropolitan Police and the Home Office for the continued work they are doing.’
The Home Office confirmed it had received a request to extend funding for Operation Grange and was in talks with the Met.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... leads.html
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4127 on: March 31, 2019, 12:59:02 AM »
Well they must have eliminated a lot of leads by now so how many are left to investigate?

Bernard Hogan-Howe said one final lead was left on 26 April 2016.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline faithlilly

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4128 on: March 31, 2019, 02:08:31 AM »
Well they must have eliminated a lot of leads by now so how many are left to investigate?

Bernard Hogan-Howe said one final lead was left on 26 April 2016.


Didn’t Rowley say something similar in 2017 ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4129 on: March 31, 2019, 02:10:51 AM »
Yeah and not talking about it. I believe they have been investigating the final lead for a long time now.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4130 on: March 31, 2019, 02:28:58 AM »
Yeah and not talking about it. I believe they have been investigating the final lead for a long time now.

If memory serves me well I think Shining might be able to help them out on this one ... I think he said she was in Luz.
Apologies if I've got that wrong.

Snip
The man, who was believed to have been a paedophile, had died but officers struggled to find the woman, despite help from Interpol.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6868571/Are-police-abandon-Maddie-inquiry-No-new-leads-eight-years-no-new-leads.html

But whatever ... smacks very much of journalists filing copy; nothing new; no attributed sources ~ just par for the course in proving Madeleine name still sells newspapers and anything else others feel like peddling for a quick buck.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4131 on: March 31, 2019, 08:56:52 AM »
Are police about to abandon Maddie inquiry? After eight years and £12million, detectives have NO new leads or suspects…and the money is running out
Scotland Yard's hunt for Madeleine McCann has 'no earth-shattering leads'
Detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007
The Home Office provided £150k for four detectives to work on the operation
They are due to finish at the end of this month when money runs out
By MARK HOOKHAM and MARK WOOD FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

The £12 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is at risk of being abandoned as leads dry up and Government funding runs out, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Scotland Yard’s hunt for Madeleine is understood to have no ‘earth-shattering leads’ and detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007.
The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month.

The Metropolitan Police is understood to have sought a further £300,000, but officials last night admitted no decision on future funding has been made.
Madeleine was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve as her parents, Gerry and Kate, dined with friends at a nearby restaurant.
Portuguese police shelved their investigation in 2008 but Scotland Yard launched its own inquiry in 2011. At its height, 31 detectives worked on the case, but the investigation was dramatically scaled back in 2015.

A well-placed source said the remaining handful of detectives have been carrying out ‘grunt work’ which includes tracking down and eliminating known sex offenders and finding possible witnesses rather than pursuing hard leads.
‘Most of what Operation Grange is doing is having things set up to knock down and rule out, rather than pursuing a particular fantastic lead that could unlock it all,’ the source said. ‘I’m not aware of any earth-shattering lead or breakthrough imminently.’

The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month. (Pictured) British Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall arriving at Faro police station in December 2014
Much of the work is understood to take place in London. Detectives made just two trips to Portugal in 2017-18, which involved five return flights costing £1,240. They usually stay at the upmarket Estrela da Luz hotel but a bar manager there said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for nearly a year, probably last May.’
Instead, sources say the focus has shifted to Eastern Europe as detectives examine the theory that Madeleine was abducted by child-traffickers. It is understood they went to great lengths to trace a couple believed to be from Bulgaria who were staying near Praia da Luz at the time of her disappearance. The man, who was believed to have been a paedophile, had died but officers struggled to find the woman, despite help from Interpol.
Operation Grange has so far cost £11.75 million, including more than £10 million on salaries, over £440,000 on overtime and about £287,000 on travel costs.
A source close to the investigation said the Home Office would be ‘clinical’ in deciding whether to approve more funding. ‘The bottom line is they need to be able to present an argument that suggests they still have stuff to do.’
The inquiry is led by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall. Her team comprises a detective sergeant and three detective constables based at Putney police station in South-West London.
Former Met Commander Brian Paddick said investigations like Operation Grange were adding to the pressure on Scotland Yard detectives. ‘Clearly there is a national shortage of detectives and any detective that is taken away from other duties in order to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is going to have an impact,’ he said.
In an interview with Vogue magazine in 2013, DCI Wall spoke of her fondness for Saga Noren, the fictional detective in the Scandinavian TV drama The Bridge, whom she described as ‘quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable’. The Met veteran was said to attribute her low media profile to the fact ‘we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved’.
But the search for Madeleine has so far proved fruitless. Locals in Praia da Luz this weekend said they had seen little evidence of any ongoing police inquiries for almost a year.
A worker at the Ocean Club Resort, from where Madeleine disappeared, said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for a long time. I think that is a good thing as far as the locals are concerned, they are tired of the area being associated with such a tragic event.’
A Met spokesman said: ‘The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains ongoing.’ A spokesman for the McCanns said: ‘Kate and Gerry remain incredibly grateful to the Metropolitan Police and the Home Office for the continued work they are doing.’
The Home Office confirmed it had received a request to extend funding for Operation Grange and was in talks with the Met.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... leads.html

Of course it could be argued that Grange have exhausted all avenues related to their remit,doesn't leave alot does it.
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4132 on: March 31, 2019, 09:10:55 AM »
Of course it could be argued that Grange have exhausted all avenues related to their remit,doesn't leave alot does it.
  ... and if that is so they will follow normal procedure just as they would on any other case when all investigative avenues are exhausted.

I wonder if Madeleine McCann's case is unique in the apparent eagerness with which some appear to be willing that to happen or are there other missing child cases extant where the same negativity towards finding out what happened to the child in question is displayed?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4133 on: March 31, 2019, 09:18:13 AM »
  ... and if that is so they will follow normal procedure just as they would on any other case when all investigative avenues are exhausted.

I wonder if Madeleine McCann's case is unique in the apparent eagerness with which some appear to be willing that to happen or are there other missing child cases extant where the same negativity towards finding out what happened to the child in question is displayed?

The only other case of brit police working abroad resulted in the professional opinion that the child died in an accident,wonder if this will be the same.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4134 on: March 31, 2019, 09:22:23 AM »
The only other case of brit police working abroad resulted in the professional opinion that the child died in an accident,wonder if this will be the same.

It would shoe that they were not strictly limited to the remit

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4135 on: March 31, 2019, 09:29:14 AM »
Are police about to abandon Maddie inquiry? After eight years and £12million, detectives have NO new leads or suspects…and the money is running out
Scotland Yard's hunt for Madeleine McCann has 'no earth-shattering leads'
Detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007
The Home Office provided £150k for four detectives to work on the operation
They are due to finish at the end of this month when money runs out
By MARK HOOKHAM and MARK WOOD FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

The £12 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is at risk of being abandoned as leads dry up and Government funding runs out, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Scotland Yard’s hunt for Madeleine is understood to have no ‘earth-shattering leads’ and detectives rarely visit the Portuguese resort where she vanished in May 2007.
The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month.

The Metropolitan Police is understood to have sought a further £300,000, but officials last night admitted no decision on future funding has been made.
Madeleine was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve as her parents, Gerry and Kate, dined with friends at a nearby restaurant.
Portuguese police shelved their investigation in 2008 but Scotland Yard launched its own inquiry in 2011. At its height, 31 detectives worked on the case, but the investigation was dramatically scaled back in 2015.

A well-placed source said the remaining handful of detectives have been carrying out ‘grunt work’ which includes tracking down and eliminating known sex offenders and finding possible witnesses rather than pursuing hard leads.
‘Most of what Operation Grange is doing is having things set up to knock down and rule out, rather than pursuing a particular fantastic lead that could unlock it all,’ the source said. ‘I’m not aware of any earth-shattering lead or breakthrough imminently.’

The Home Office provided £150,000 cash last October to fund four detectives to work on Operation Grange, as the inquiry is codenamed, until the end of this month. (Pictured) British Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall arriving at Faro police station in December 2014
Much of the work is understood to take place in London. Detectives made just two trips to Portugal in 2017-18, which involved five return flights costing £1,240. They usually stay at the upmarket Estrela da Luz hotel but a bar manager there said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for nearly a year, probably last May.’
Instead, sources say the focus has shifted to Eastern Europe as detectives examine the theory that Madeleine was abducted by child-traffickers. It is understood they went to great lengths to trace a couple believed to be from Bulgaria who were staying near Praia da Luz at the time of her disappearance. The man, who was believed to have been a paedophile, had died but officers struggled to find the woman, despite help from Interpol.
Operation Grange has so far cost £11.75 million, including more than £10 million on salaries, over £440,000 on overtime and about £287,000 on travel costs.
A source close to the investigation said the Home Office would be ‘clinical’ in deciding whether to approve more funding. ‘The bottom line is they need to be able to present an argument that suggests they still have stuff to do.’
The inquiry is led by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall. Her team comprises a detective sergeant and three detective constables based at Putney police station in South-West London.
Former Met Commander Brian Paddick said investigations like Operation Grange were adding to the pressure on Scotland Yard detectives. ‘Clearly there is a national shortage of detectives and any detective that is taken away from other duties in order to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is going to have an impact,’ he said.
In an interview with Vogue magazine in 2013, DCI Wall spoke of her fondness for Saga Noren, the fictional detective in the Scandinavian TV drama The Bridge, whom she described as ‘quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable’. The Met veteran was said to attribute her low media profile to the fact ‘we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved’.
But the search for Madeleine has so far proved fruitless. Locals in Praia da Luz this weekend said they had seen little evidence of any ongoing police inquiries for almost a year.
A worker at the Ocean Club Resort, from where Madeleine disappeared, said: ‘I haven’t seen any police here for a long time. I think that is a good thing as far as the locals are concerned, they are tired of the area being associated with such a tragic event.’
A Met spokesman said: ‘The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains ongoing.’ A spokesman for the McCanns said: ‘Kate and Gerry remain incredibly grateful to the Metropolitan Police and the Home Office for the continued work they are doing.’
The Home Office confirmed it had received a request to extend funding for Operation Grange and was in talks with the Met.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... leads.html
Either this is true and the McCanns are not under investigation or it is a false story, probably written by Clarence Mitchell to deflect from “something big brewing”.  Which is it do you think Faithlilly?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4136 on: March 31, 2019, 09:35:38 AM »
The only other case of brit police working abroad resulted in the professional opinion that the child died in an accident,wonder if this will be the same.

I was rather hoping Madeleine would be found alive and well.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4137 on: March 31, 2019, 09:58:39 AM »
It would shoe that they were not strictly limited to the remit

I'd concede that point if they were to come out with that,if its the end it'll be interesting to hear what they think,but unless the PJ wrap up as well then SY won't say much.
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Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4138 on: March 31, 2019, 10:02:19 AM »
I was rather hoping Madeleine would be found alive and well.


Can't see it somehow,but hope for the best prepare for the worst.
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4139 on: March 31, 2019, 01:53:58 PM »

Can't see it somehow,but hope for the best prepare for the worst.
In a 50 - 50 situation my preference is always for the positive aspect.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....