General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh no we don't.

Apologies, 'we'  the collective group of people who do not buy into the abduction via window story as told by Mum Kate.   

[barrier]

Couple of non stories recently from the lead investigators,one is strange is that a article raising a bit of ire was from
2 yrs ago.

 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/10261692/madeleine-mccanns-kate-gerry-thanks-public/

And the one regarding an article from a ex cop


'INSENSITIVE AND SPITEFUL' Madeleine McCann’s parents hit back at ex-cop who branded £12m search for Maddie a ‘waste of resources’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10294682/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hit-back-at-ex-cop-branded-search-waste/


The article from 2 yrs ago.

https://themccanncase.wordpress.com/2017/10/08/an-open-letter-to-operation_grange-from-john-coxon-a-retired-metropolitan-police-officer/

John Coxon, former Met Police, on Facebook
I wish to register a formal complaint in regard to Operation Grange , the so called Met Police search for Madeleine McCann.
I do so on the following grounds.

1/ It has blatantly and inexplicably failed to look at the parents and accompanying party as suspects in the investigation.

This is in complete disregard to the findings in the original Portuguese investigation.

Namely

A/ multiple and significant discrepancies in their accounts

B/ deletion of mobile phone data and obstruction of evidence

C/ multiple indications by forensic cadaver and blood dogs in their apartment on Kate McCann’s clothing , the child’s toy and on a vehicle they hired 3 weeks after her disappearance. Also a close DNA match found in the boot of the same vehicle.

D/ An eye witness account naming Gerry McCann as the so called prime suspect, Smith man.

E/ The McCanns refusal to cooperate , answer questions and take part in a reconstruction which shelved the original enquiry

F/ Allegations from two healthcare professionals that at least one of the party , doctor David Payne is a paedophile.

They were made suspects for all these perfectly valid reasons , it is apparent that Operation Grange has failed to address a single one of them. The Portuguese closing report does not exonerate them at all , I presume during the 5 years of its existence Grange was aware of these matters , yet has acted as if none of this ever happened.

More specifically , Met police chief Hogan Howe has on at least one occasion claimed the McCanns have been ” ruled out” , firstly , this is at complete odds with Granges opening statement which claims ” treat the abduction as if it happened yesterday” clearly implying they were totally off the table from the start , secondly it is simply impossible as there is no independent evidence that exonerates them and if there was the McCanns publicity machine would be screaming it from the roof tops.

2/ It is apparent lines of enquiry have been leaked to the media. If this were the case and a live child were being held captive , it would clearly endanger that individuals life, obviously a totally unacceptable situation. Furthermore these leaks have frequently coincided with an ongoing civil case the McCanns are fighting in Portugal , too frequently for comfort.

3/ This failure to investigate properly has boosted the McCanns public profile, helped promote KMs book sales and enabled them to take on further projects. Do you believe , for instance KM would have been made an ambassador for a charity had the Met asked her the same 48 questions she refused to answer in Portugal? I doubt it.

4/ Grange has wasted huge amounts of public money and police time chasing shadows in Portugal which its legal advisors must surely have told them were not viable lines of enquiry. In other words it has done a lot of work and spent a lot of money for the sake of doing it , no other credible reason.

The conclusions here are blatantly obvious.

Operation Grange is a whitewash – a vast PR exercise to promote an abduction scenario that not one shred of evidence exists to support ever even happened.

The implications are equally obvious .

A/ It obstructs the real police investigation going on
in Portugal

B/ It potentially supports a criminal fraud of huge proportions the McCanns ongoing business.

C/ It undermines the entire credibility of the whole Metropolitan Police Service ( as if it needed any further help)

D/ It threatens the credibility of the entire UK criminal justice system.
In summary Grange is simply corrupt , it has misappropriated huge amounts of public money , it potentially lets child murderers walk free, it is beyond a disgrace, it is worthy of extensive investigation in itself

[Brietta]

Couple of non stories recently from the lead investigators,one is strange is that a article raising a bit of ire was from
2 yrs ago.

 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/10261692/madeleine-mccanns-kate-gerry-thanks-public/

And the one regarding an article from a ex cop


'INSENSITIVE AND SPITEFUL' Madeleine McCann’s parents hit back at ex-cop who branded £12m search for Maddie a ‘waste of resources’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10294682/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hit-back-at-ex-cop-branded-search-waste/


The article from 2 yrs ago.

https://themccanncase.wordpress.com/2017/10/08/an-open-letter-to-operation_grange-from-john-coxon-a-retired-metropolitan-police-officer/

John Coxon, former Met Police, on Facebook
I wish to register a formal complaint in regard to Operation Grange , the so called Met Police search for Madeleine McCann.
I do so on the following grounds.

1/ It has blatantly and inexplicably failed to look at the parents and accompanying party as suspects in the investigation.

This is in complete disregard to the findings in the original Portuguese investigation.

Namely

A/ multiple and significant discrepancies in their accounts

B/ deletion of mobile phone data and obstruction of evidence

C/ multiple indications by forensic cadaver and blood dogs in their apartment on Kate McCann’s clothing , the child’s toy and on a vehicle they hired 3 weeks after her disappearance. Also a close DNA match found in the boot of the same vehicle.

D/ An eye witness account naming Gerry McCann as the so called prime suspect, Smith man.

E/ The McCanns refusal to cooperate , answer questions and take part in a reconstruction which shelved the original enquiry

F/ Allegations from two healthcare professionals that at least one of the party , doctor David Payne is a paedophile.

They were made suspects for all these perfectly valid reasons , it is apparent that Operation Grange has failed to address a single one of them. The Portuguese closing report does not exonerate them at all , I presume during the 5 years of its existence Grange was aware of these matters , yet has acted as if none of this ever happened.

More specifically , Met police chief Hogan Howe has on at least one occasion claimed the McCanns have been ” ruled out” , firstly , this is at complete odds with Granges opening statement which claims ” treat the abduction as if it happened yesterday” clearly implying they were totally off the table from the start , secondly it is simply impossible as there is no independent evidence that exonerates them and if there was the McCanns publicity machine would be screaming it from the roof tops.

2/ It is apparent lines of enquiry have been leaked to the media. If this were the case and a live child were being held captive , it would clearly endanger that individuals life, obviously a totally unacceptable situation. Furthermore these leaks have frequently coincided with an ongoing civil case the McCanns are fighting in Portugal , too frequently for comfort.

3/ This failure to investigate properly has boosted the McCanns public profile, helped promote KMs book sales and enabled them to take on further projects. Do you believe , for instance KM would have been made an ambassador for a charity had the Met asked her the same 48 questions she refused to answer in Portugal? I doubt it.

4/ Grange has wasted huge amounts of public money and police time chasing shadows in Portugal which its legal advisors must surely have told them were not viable lines of enquiry. In other words it has done a lot of work and spent a lot of money for the sake of doing it , no other credible reason.

The conclusions here are blatantly obvious.

Operation Grange is a whitewash – a vast PR exercise to promote an abduction scenario that not one shred of evidence exists to support ever even happened.

The implications are equally obvious .

A/ It obstructs the real police investigation going on
in Portugal

B/ It potentially supports a criminal fraud of huge proportions the McCanns ongoing business.

C/ It undermines the entire credibility of the whole Metropolitan Police Service ( as if it needed any further help)

D/ It threatens the credibility of the entire UK criminal justice system.
In summary Grange is simply corrupt , it has misappropriated huge amounts of public money , it potentially lets child murderers walk free, it is beyond a disgrace, it is worthy of extensive investigation in itself

As you say "non stories" ... so why bring them here?  Particularly the two year old blog tirade and opinion piece which I rather think might be a reflection of your opinion.

I think you are illustrating here the sceptic mantra that the only good English cop is one holding McCann sceptic views ... the bad ones are those who are actively looking for Madeleine McCann to resolve what happened to her.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...

[jassi]

Weir that attention should be drawn to a 2 year old article in an apparently fresh article by Tracey.

Perhaps her's is also a regenerated article 

[Wonderfulspam]

As you say "non stories" ... so why bring them here?  Particularly the two year old blog tirade and opinion piece which I rather think might be a reflection of your opinion.

I think you are illustrating here the sceptic mantra that the only good English cop is one holding McCann sceptic views ... the bad ones are those who are actively looking for Madeleine McCann to resolve what happened to her.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...

Actively looking for Madeleine?

4 coppers sat in an office drinking tea.

Have you seen them out searching recently?

[jassi]

Maybe this team only exists on paper, and like the new man himself, is actively deployed in more useful police work on a day to day basis.

[Brietta]

Actively looking for Madeleine?

4 coppers sat in an office drinking tea.

Have you seen them out searching recently?

You really know nothing about what the police are doing since both the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard are working as per Portuguese Judicial Secrecy laws which are being operated as they were designed to with no leaks during the investigation.

Is there any reason why your posts appear to reflect contempt for the forces of law and order conducting an active criminal investigation ?

[carlymichelle]

Weir that attention should be drawn to a 2 year old article in an apparently fresh article by Tracey.

Perhaps her's is also a regenerated article

isnt tracy kate mcanns  friend?? i  read that once

[jassi]

isnt tracy kate mcanns  friend?? i  read that once

Supposedly, but are journalists ever really friendly with potential meal-tickets ?

[G-Unit]

As you say "non stories" ... so why bring them here?  Particularly the two year old blog tirade and opinion piece which I rather think might be a reflection of your opinion.

I think you are illustrating here the sceptic mantra that the only good English cop is one holding McCann sceptic views ... the bad ones are those who are actively looking for Madeleine McCann to resolve what happened to her.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...

The Sun is also revisiting this story for some reason;

'INSENSITIVE AND SPITEFUL' Madeleine McCann’s parents hit back at ex-cop who branded £12m search for Maddie a ‘waste of resources’
Tracey Kandohla
6 Nov 2019, 23:59Updated: 7 Nov 2019, 1:12

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10294682/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hit-back-at-ex-cop-branded-search-waste/

[Brietta]

The Sun is also revisiting this story for some reason;

'INSENSITIVE AND SPITEFUL' Madeleine McCann’s parents hit back at ex-cop who branded £12m search for Maddie a ‘waste of resources’
Tracey Kandohla
6 Nov 2019, 23:59Updated: 7 Nov 2019, 1:12

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10294682/madeleine-mccanns-parents-hit-back-at-ex-cop-branded-search-waste/

Reporters have to make a living one supposes ... even if the information is dredged up from a two year old opinion piece blog:  I posted a pertinent question on another thread ... asked by Isabel Duarte ...

                ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Maybe those who purport to 'seek justice for Madeleine McCann' ... might contemplate that question for a while and let us know how they suggest that might be accomplished without working for it or by doing as Paiva did and just consider it all "irrelevant" ?

[barrier]

As you say "non stories" ... so why bring them here?  Particularly the two year old blog tirade and opinion piece which I rather think might be a reflection of your opinion.

I think you are illustrating here the sceptic mantra that the only good English cop is one holding McCann sceptic views ... the bad ones are those who are actively looking for Madeleine McCann to resolve what happened to her.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...

Coxon's article may be two years old,the sun piece is far from it,Madeleine the gift that keeps giving.

[barrier]

Actively looking for Madeleine?

4 coppers sat in an office drinking tea.

Have you seen them out searching recently?

The lead is on Grange part time,he's heading up other murder inquiry's,wonder why a man who is leading them is in charge of a supposed abduction investigation.

SCOTLAND Yard’s hunt for Madeleine McCann is being led by a top murder cop already battling London’s knife crime epidemic, The Sun can reveal.

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell has recently been put in part-time charge of Operation Grange, which has cost taxpayers £12 MILLION to date.

[barrier]

Maybe this team only exists on paper, and like the new man himself, is actively deployed in more useful police work on a day to day basis.

He is.

[Brietta]

He is.

The eagerness of sceptics to have Madeleine McCann's case investigated is not palpable in my opinion ... more imperceptible or even non existent. But to me it is also very revealing.