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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 01:21:33 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Peter Martin’s comment at the bottom of “They Walk Among Us” is interesting:


Peter Martin A month ago · 0 Likes 
Peter Martin Again a well researched podcasts but Ben might have raised some obvious questions about the police narrative. Why would anyone torture a person for a PIN number when they had no way of checking out the information? This theory clearly makes no sense when we also are told that Mrs Edmonds' alarm bracelet wasn't activated and there were no defensive wounds. Her hands were left untied and she was found still wearing three expensive rings and a wrist watch. £30 was left untouched on the sideboard.
If Ben had dug a little deeper he would also have found that Mrs Edmonds had traces of food in her trachea.So she must have been eating when she was struck on the head. Is this consistent with torture for a PIN theory?
Clearly robbery wasn't the motive in this case.
https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com



Has Peter Martin finally conceded the murder may have been sexually motivated?

The podcast was posted on 4th July 2019 and Peter Martins comment appears to have been made around a month ago; ergo not long after is was published.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 04:35:10 PM »
Peter Martin’s comment at the bottom of “They Walk Among Us” is interesting:


Peter Martin A month ago · 0 Likes 
Peter Martin Again a well researched podcasts but Ben might have raised some obvious questions about the police narrative. Why would anyone torture a person for a PIN number when they had no way of checking out the information? This theory clearly makes no sense when we also are told that Mrs Edmonds' alarm bracelet wasn't activated and there were no defensive wounds. Her hands were left untied and she was found still wearing three expensive rings and a wrist watch. £30 was left untouched on the sideboard.
If Ben had dug a little deeper he would also have found that Mrs Edmonds had traces of food in her trachea.So she must have been eating when she was struck on the head. Is this consistent with torture for a PIN theory?
Clearly robbery wasn't the motive in this case.
https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com



Has Peter Martin finally conceded the murder may have been sexually motivated?

The podcast was posted on 4th July 2019 and Peter Martins comment appears to have been made around a month ago; ergo not long after is was published.

The link to the above is here https://theywalkamonguspodcast.com/new-episodes/2019/7/4/season-4-episode-7

At the end of the podcast there is mention of a £50,000 pound reward.

Though now with no website or anyway to contact the “campaign” not sure how that works?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2019, 02:02:54 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Seems the above link is no longer working now either but the link https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true reads:

Dr Sandra Lean presents Episode 1 of a 6 part series on Matthew’s case,  examining the horrific murder of an old lady, the relentless pursuit, not once, but twice, of a man who insists he is completely innocent, a police investigation spanning 8 years and two trials reportedly costing together over £7 million, that leave many, many unanswered questions
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2022, 01:48:19 PM »
I had a quick nosey at what she posted across on the blue forum this afternoon after Mat alerted me to what was going on.

She bleats on about how everything she posts is contained in official court documents, I doubt very much if there is any court documents anywhere which say that Luke Mitchell is innocent.  That aside, she does spout some rubbish and as for trying to discredit witnesses...well that is yet another story.  Reading statements is one thing but being in court actually hearing the evidence is something else.  That is where all her arguments come crashing down as she didn't attend the trial and is dependent on these so-called official statements which are nothing more than a guide as to the evidence which will be elicited later in court.

She is obviously trying to reshape the evidence ahead of the CCRC review but all the lies in the world will never change what Shane Mitchell told the court and that was that he never saw his brother in the family home that afternoon.  I wonder who gave him his dinner then?  Did he not smell the burning pie as the fumes rose to the ceiling outside his bedroom?  Unbelievable!

Sandra Lean's parting shot over on the blue forum was to say that it was a pity that she didn't have time to post more often. That's strange considering she has time to post on many other forums including her own WAP forum and for all the good it has done her these last 9 years.

It must be tiring cross-posting with Billy the scammer all day.  @)(++(*

More lies

Sandra Lean - 4th Oct 2019
‘…. No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.
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Offline Parky41

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2022, 10:11:47 AM »
More lies

Sandra Lean - 4th Oct 2019
‘…. No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.

And claiming to have examined witness statements at the time also from "No Smoke" -

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"Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true."
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As I referred to in my other post around knives, and the testimony of CM. Where truth and integrity were being questioned. When you can point out direct lies, hidden truth and people accept this and state "I still believe-------" Which further clarifies the mindset of those believers, does it not? That they see and know there are lies but "still believe" what exactly? How do they know which is fact over fiction, lies over truth? More so, this is supposed to be based upon honestly and integrity?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2022, 12:39:07 PM »
And claiming to have examined witness statements at the time also from "No Smoke" -

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Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true."

As I referred to in my other post around knives, and the testimony of CM. Where truth and integrity were being questioned. When you can point out direct lies, hidden truth and people accept this and state "I still believe-------" Which further clarifies the mindset of those believers, does it not? That they see and know there are lies but "still believe" what exactly? How do they know which is fact over fiction, lies over truth? More so, this is supposed to be based upon honestly and integrity?

Without any doubts both Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean are bare faced liars

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Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true.

Do you have a page number for this Parky  ?


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Offline Parky41

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2022, 03:14:09 PM »
As I referred to in my other post around knives, and the testimony of CM. Where truth and integrity were being questioned. When you can point out direct lies, hidden truth and people accept this and state "I still believe-------" Which further clarifies the mindset of those believers, does it not? That they see and know there are lies but "still believe" what exactly? How do they know which is fact over fiction, lies over truth? More so, this is supposed to be based upon honestly and integrity?


Without any doubts both Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean are bare faced liars

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Do you have a page number for this Parky  ?

Comes after the below passage in Luke Mitchell: Part 2.

https://paulviking.websitetoolbox.com/post/Infamous-Cases-4689531

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But the central, critical evidence is that of the members of the search party. All three of Jodi‟s family members, by the time the case came to court, some 17 months after the event, told exactly the same story; one which differed in fundamental respects from that told by Luke Mitchell. Janine Jones, Stephen Kelly and Alice Walker all reported that the dog had not alerted Luke, but that Luke had gone straight to the V in the wall, climbed through, and immediately knew to turn left, rather than going straight ahead or turning right. All three claimed that he remained calm and emotionless throughout.

Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true.

SL did not have access to the defence case papers prior to "No Smoke" going to press. It would certainly appear that ones "Careful examination" comes from media reports and anything fed by LM. This article has been confirmed to be this case in "No Smoke" Which at first SL had denied, then made claim that one had simply forgotten most of what had been written?! As one had not 'referenced it for a while' 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2022, 03:24:48 PM »
Comes after the below passage in Luke Mitchell: Part 2.

https://paulviking.websitetoolbox.com/post/Infamous-Cases-4689531

SL did not have access to the defence case papers prior to "No Smoke" going to press. It would certainly appear that ones "Careful examination" comes from media reports and anything fed by LM. This article has been confirmed to be this case in "No Smoke" Which at first SL had denied, then made claim that one had simply forgotten most of what had been written?! As one had not 'referenced it for a while'

Thanks Parky

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2022, 03:58:42 PM »
Comes after the below passage in Luke Mitchell: Part 2.

https://paulviking.websitetoolbox.com/post/Infamous-Cases-4689531

Given she spelt AO’s name wrong in her first book you’d have thought by the time she wrote her 2nd book she’d get it right

More ‘typos’ 🙄( https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199)

No Smoke doesn't address the reconstruction because I didn't know the full facts surrounding it until I saw the case papers - at pages 98 and 108, I stated that there had been "no confirmed sightings of Jodi" that evening - we now know that there were confirmed sightings of her at 5.05pm, on the Easthouses Road, fully 15 minutes after it was claimed, at trial, that she left her home.

If Donald Findlay had thought there were ‘confirmed sightings’ he’d have raised them at trial
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2022, 04:49:17 PM »
And claiming to have examined witness statements at the time also from "No Smoke" -

Sandra Lean also referred to sadistic killer Matthew Hardman in ‘No Smoke’

During a search of his bedroom officers found books, magazines and internet material devoted to vampirism and the occult

Sadistic killers Matthew Hardman and Luke Mitchell are mentioned in ‘Serial Murder and the Psychology of Violent Crime’ edited by Richard N Kocsis - published the same year as Sandra Lean’s nonsense

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TZc3cMSB-3wC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=matthew+hardman+luke+mitchell+murder&source=bl&ots=66eXCHk77l&sig=ACfU3U3Gav6BsXWFLuTlg8Vgh0oQqgaSMQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK1PvBycj2AhWPZMAKHQyFCTkQ6AF6BAgfEAI#v=onepage&q=matthew%20hardman%20luke%20mitchell%20murder&f=false
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2022, 01:52:50 AM »
Comes after the below passage in Luke Mitchell: Part 2.

https://paulviking.websitetoolbox.com/post/Infamous-Cases-4689531

SL did not have access to the defence case papers prior to "No Smoke" going to press. It would certainly appear that ones "Careful examination" comes from media reports and anything fed by LM. This article has been confirmed to be this case in "No Smoke" Which at first SL had denied, then made claim that one had simply forgotten most of what had been written?! As one had not 'referenced it for a while'
And Scott Forbes 🙄

‘No Smoke’ ⬇️
‘Just prior to this book going to press, further witness statements, pointing to another, far more credible suspect were passed to the defence. The police claimed that these statements had not been followed up because the case was "closed."

‘Further witness statements’ 🙄

‘Far more credible suspect’ 🙄

‘Luke Mitchell was a child of previous good character, with no psychological conditions..’ 🙄

‘Finally, as with Derek Christian and Simon Hall, we are asked to believe that Luke Mitchell suddenly and inexplicably "flipped," behaving in a manner which is completely uncharacteristic, then almost instantly returns to normal.’ 🙄

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2022, 02:08:44 AM »
https://paulviking.websitetoolbox.com/post/Infamous-Cases-4689531

In the ‘references’ Sandra Lean has put at the bottom of her blurb on killer LM there’s no mention of the transcript from his interview with the police on the 1st July 2003

And who’s putting the nonsense on wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2022, 04:50:55 PM »
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675797/Killer-scaffolder-Nicholas-Rose-dies-jail-taking-spice.html

Sandra Lean on ‘spice’ ➡️ https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383319.html#msg383319

Thank you Lilly15, I've started looking at the effects of Spice (variants of synthetic cannabinoids) or K2. The things that appear to come up again and again are hallucinations, suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions, intense fear and paranoia.

If we take each of those effects individually, they would have a significant effect on someone who has been incarcerated for more than 10 years, without any reference to the "real world" they knew before. Cumulatively, it's not difficult to see how they might make an incarcerated person feel like they were "going crazy."


Prisons and probation ombudsman report
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https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/ppo-prod-storage-1g9rkhjhkjmgw/uploads/2022/03/F3879-19-Death-of-Mr-Nicholas-Rose-Guys-Marsh-19-05-2019-ONN-31-40-37.pdf
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2022, 05:05:41 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675797/Killer-scaffolder-Nicholas-Rose-dies-jail-taking-spice.html

Sandra Lean on ‘spice’ ➡️ https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383319.html#msg383319

Thank you Lilly15, I've started looking at the effects of Spice (variants of synthetic cannabinoids) or K2. The things that appear to come up again and again are hallucinations, suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions, intense fear and paranoia.

If we take each of those effects individually, they would have a significant effect on someone who has been incarcerated for more than 10 years, without any reference to the "real world" they knew before. Cumulatively, it's not difficult to see how they might make an incarcerated person feel like they were "going crazy."


Prisons and probation ombudsman report
⬇️
https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/ppo-prod-storage-1g9rkhjhkjmgw/uploads/2022/03/F3879-19-Death-of-Mr-Nicholas-Rose-Guys-Marsh-19-05-2019-ONN-31-40-37.pdf

It was revealed that Mr Rose told his offender supervisor (probation officer in prison) that he had been very low at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018 because he had learned that Inside Justice (a charity that investigates possible miscarriages of justice) were not going to pursue an appeal against his conviction. He said he had resorted to using drugs to cope.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20035858.murderer-nicholas-rose-dies-hmp-guys-marsh-taking-spice/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2022, 05:56:10 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675797/Killer-scaffolder-Nicholas-Rose-dies-jail-taking-spice.html

Sandra Lean on ‘spice’ ➡️ https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383319.html#msg383319

Thank you Lilly15, I've started looking at the effects of Spice (variants of synthetic cannabinoids) or K2. The things that appear to come up again and again are hallucinations, suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions, intense fear and paranoia.

If we take each of those effects individually, they would have a significant effect on someone who has been incarcerated for more than 10 years, without any reference to the "real world" they knew before. Cumulatively, it's not difficult to see how they might make an incarcerated person feel like they were "going crazy."


Prisons and probation ombudsman report
⬇️
https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/ppo-prod-storage-1g9rkhjhkjmgw/uploads/2022/03/F3879-19-Death-of-Mr-Nicholas-Rose-Guys-Marsh-19-05-2019-ONN-31-40-37.pdf

And Lilly15 stated

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Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2017, 07:09:PM »
Having read a lot about spice in prisons, it can totally change a person and turn them into monsters. I can understand the question being asked  and wonder just how the prison dealt with it


Did the prison or any of psychopathic killer and innocence fraudster Nick Rose’s family members notice he’d turned into a monster after taking spice?
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