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Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2020, 07:06:55 PM »
You WERE deflecting but I am not allowed to point it out?  PLEASE.  Get a grip.


 ?8)@)-)
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #166 on: March 28, 2020, 07:18:31 PM »
Give your head a wobble. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see what’s happening.
As I thought, no evidence just more rudeness from you.  Why don’t you take YOUR head out of your Guardian (or is the Morning Star?) and see if you can try and bring the lefty brainwashing under control? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #167 on: March 28, 2020, 07:19:24 PM »
Just over 1,000 interviews....very representative.
LOL.  I just KNEW you’d reject this poll. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2020, 07:19:49 PM »

 ?8)@)-)
Cheer up Chicken, it might never happen.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2020, 07:27:15 PM »
I get the feeling that the more deaths there are in this country, the happier those seeking to make political capital out of this crisis will be.  They don’t want the government to do a good job managing it, they decided on Day One that they would be rubbish and have been desperately shrieking “I told you so” on a daily basis.  The time for smug recriminations is later, in the meantime we should all be on the same side, pulling together and be doing our best to minimise the blaming, the hysteria  and negativity as well as the spread of the virus.  Even Labour’s Top Brass recognise this (apart from Corbyn who simply couldn’t resist an “I told you so” himself).
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #170 on: March 28, 2020, 07:31:37 PM »
Here’s something else for you to shit on Faith:

Response to the Financial Times article on ventilators
Response to 28/03/20 edition of FT Weekend's claims on ventilators.

Published 28 March 2020
From:
Cabinet Office
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The 28/03/20 edition of FT Weekend contains a number of inaccurate claims about the UK’s efforts to procure and manufacture ventilators in response to the COVID-19 public health emergency.

To date, there are more than 8,000 ventilators available to NHS patients, with another 8,000 expected from existing international manufacturers in the coming weeks. We have also been clear that the UK must step up production of ventilators even further to support the UK’s response to the virus and save lives.

The government has partnered with a number of the UK’s leading technology and engineering firms with smaller manufacturers to rapidly build existing, modified or newly designed ventilators at speed, with seven priority projects underway. They are working to improve the speed at which current UK ventilator manufacturers can produce their devices, with larger companies changing their existing operations to help provide the UK with the equipment and personnel it needs for this effort. Many other UK manufacturers are building, designing and developing new effective, safe and easy-to-build ventilators – all orders from the government will be subject to them passing stringent safety tests.

The government’s overriding aim is to protect the NHS and save lives.

Claim:
Several companies have complained that offers were not taken up to provide some of the additional machines needed to save the lives of people with acute respiratory difficulties caused by Covid-19.

Response:
The response we’ve had from British industry has been nothing short of incredible, with an overwhelming response from companies offering help including designing and building new devices, manufacturing components or transporting them to NHS hospitals. To say we have ignored suppliers is wrong – we have responded to all companies that contacted us with offers of help. We are working with a number of firms to scale up production of existing UK ventilator manufacturers, as well as designing and manufacturing new products from scratch, and procuring thousands more machines from overseas.

Claim:
The Government should have been in touch with companies sooner and has now missed out.

Response:
We would expect suppliers of ventilator parts, like MEC Medical, to receive orders from companies for some of the components needed to scale up production of UK ventilator manufacturers.

Claim:
The Government doesn’t follow through with their promises that they’ll buy any new ventilators.

Response:
This is untrue. We have over 8,000 machines arriving in the coming weeks and we are working to procure more everyday. We are also working alongside industry to scale up existing UK manufacturing and, simultaneously, design and manufacture new products. Of course, any new orders are all dependent on machines passing regulatory tests. We are rapidly ramping up ventilator production in response to this crisis.

Anyone who has existing ventilator stock and can support should email here and if you want to offer wider support visit this page.

Claim:
The Government didn’t get in touch quickly and now the lead in times for ventilators from abroad are months away.

Response:
Many distributors are offering us plans for future supply from overseas, but unfortunately many of these simply did not stand up to due diligence, where safety of our citizens is of paramount importance. However, the government has been successful in recent days buying directly from factories. Indeed we took a delivery from a manufacturer in an EU member state just this week. Of course we have bought from agents where that is not possible.

We are doing whatever it takes to protect the NHS and save lives.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/response-to-the-financial-times-article-on-ventilators
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #171 on: March 28, 2020, 07:47:43 PM »
As I thought, no evidence just more rudeness from you.  Why don’t you take YOUR head out of your Guardian (or is the Morning Star?) and see if you can try and bring the lefty brainwashing under control?

Why are you so sure that you are right ? Did you see Richard Horton,  editor-in-chief of the medical journal The Lancet tear Robert Jenrick’s claims regarding PPE etc to pieces on Question Time ? Expert after expert have exposed the government’s handling of the crisis as nothing short of incompetent. Why do you think that you know better ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #172 on: March 28, 2020, 07:51:52 PM »
I get the feeling that the more deaths there are in this country, the happier those seeking to make political capital out of this crisis will be.  They don’t want the government to do a good job managing it, they decided on Day One that they would be rubbish and have been desperately shrieking “I told you so” on a daily basis.  The time for smug recriminations is later, in the meantime we should all be on the same side, pulling together and be doing our best to minimise the blaming, the hysteria  and negativity as well as the spread of the virus.  Even Labour’s Top Brass recognise this (apart from Corbyn who simply couldn’t resist an “I told you so” himself).

Do you include the myriad of experts who have criticised Johnson and his merry band of morons in your analysis ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #173 on: March 28, 2020, 07:53:40 PM »
Here’s something else for you to shit on Faith:

Response to the Financial Times article on ventilators
Response to 28/03/20 edition of FT Weekend's claims on ventilators.

Published 28 March 2020
From:
Cabinet Office
placeholder
The 28/03/20 edition of FT Weekend contains a number of inaccurate claims about the UK’s efforts to procure and manufacture ventilators in response to the COVID-19 public health emergency.

To date, there are more than 8,000 ventilators available to NHS patients, with another 8,000 expected from existing international manufacturers in the coming weeks. We have also been clear that the UK must step up production of ventilators even further to support the UK’s response to the virus and save lives.

The government has partnered with a number of the UK’s leading technology and engineering firms with smaller manufacturers to rapidly build existing, modified or newly designed ventilators at speed, with seven priority projects underway. They are working to improve the speed at which current UK ventilator manufacturers can produce their devices, with larger companies changing their existing operations to help provide the UK with the equipment and personnel it needs for this effort. Many other UK manufacturers are building, designing and developing new effective, safe and easy-to-build ventilators – all orders from the government will be subject to them passing stringent safety tests.

The government’s overriding aim is to protect the NHS and save lives.

Claim:
Several companies have complained that offers were not taken up to provide some of the additional machines needed to save the lives of people with acute respiratory difficulties caused by Covid-19.

Response:
The response we’ve had from British industry has been nothing short of incredible, with an overwhelming response from companies offering help including designing and building new devices, manufacturing components or transporting them to NHS hospitals. To say we have ignored suppliers is wrong – we have responded to all companies that contacted us with offers of help. We are working with a number of firms to scale up production of existing UK ventilator manufacturers, as well as designing and manufacturing new products from scratch, and procuring thousands more machines from overseas.

Claim:
The Government should have been in touch with companies sooner and has now missed out.

Response:
We would expect suppliers of ventilator parts, like MEC Medical, to receive orders from companies for some of the components needed to scale up production of UK ventilator manufacturers.

Claim:
The Government doesn’t follow through with their promises that they’ll buy any new ventilators.

Response:
This is untrue. We have over 8,000 machines arriving in the coming weeks and we are working to procure more everyday. We are also working alongside industry to scale up existing UK manufacturing and, simultaneously, design and manufacture new products. Of course, any new orders are all dependent on machines passing regulatory tests. We are rapidly ramping up ventilator production in response to this crisis.

Anyone who has existing ventilator stock and can support should email here and if you want to offer wider support visit this page.

Claim:
The Government didn’t get in touch quickly and now the lead in times for ventilators from abroad are months away.

Response:
Many distributors are offering us plans for future supply from overseas, but unfortunately many of these simply did not stand up to due diligence, where safety of our citizens is of paramount importance. However, the government has been successful in recent days buying directly from factories. Indeed we took a delivery from a manufacturer in an EU member state just this week. Of course we have bought from agents where that is not possible.

We are doing whatever it takes to protect the NHS and save lives.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/response-to-the-financial-times-article-on-ventilators

Government response. I doubt many of this government could lie straight in bed.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 07:57:30 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2020, 10:07:09 PM »
Why are you so sure that you are right ? Did you see Richard Horton,  editor-in-chief of the medical journal The Lancet tear Robert Jenrick’s claims regarding PPE etc to pieces on Question Time ? Expert after expert have exposed the government’s handling of the crisis as nothing short of incompetent. Why do you think that you know better ?
What have I claimed to be right about?  Do tell..
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #175 on: March 28, 2020, 10:10:25 PM »
Do you include the myriad of experts who have criticised Johnson and his merry band of morons in your analysis ?
Jeez, you really are full of hate aren’t you?  My observations were about people like you, no marks with a political agenda crowing with glee because you believe socialism has won and that Boris is toast.  You’re revelling in it, and it’s sickening.  IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #176 on: March 28, 2020, 10:11:16 PM »
Government response. I doubt many of this government could lie straight in bed.
So which bits, specifically, are lies, with evidence please.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #177 on: March 28, 2020, 10:46:36 PM »
Britain’s death rate  (deaths per million) is currently lower that of Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland.  If Boris’s “lax leadership” is putting us all in danger we would expect that death rate to rise significantly in the coming days.
And this is still true nine days later.  We had our first case of Coronavirus the same day as Spain and and day after Italy and yet their deaths per million are much, much higher than ours.  The Netherlands had their first case a month or so after us and their deaths per million are more than double ours.  The measure of the government’s effectiveness versus other European governments will be this statistic above all others, IMO.   

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #178 on: March 28, 2020, 11:04:52 PM »
For anyone interested in reading an unbiased, unhysterical, non-political, non-judgemental assessment of the data (obviously that doesn’t  include Faithlilly) then this is an excellent article, and it’s not written by Matt Chorley either but an actual expert!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #179 on: March 29, 2020, 12:05:22 AM »
What have I claimed to be right about?  Do tell..

#172.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?