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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #240 on: March 30, 2020, 03:31:00 PM »
I think now is exactly the time to to hold the government to account because next week, next month when their negligent decisions have cost the lives of untold Britons it’ll be too late.

 stumble bumble and tumble
I mean Neil Ferguson advisor... Please keep a straight face!!!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #241 on: March 30, 2020, 03:38:41 PM »
Your unfathomably rude aren’t you?  You know nothing about my circumstances you presumptuous hussy.

Is your vocabulary really that limited that you have to resort to name calling.....and no, not rude, honest.

I see you didn’t deny anything I posted.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 03:49:07 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #242 on: March 30, 2020, 04:04:22 PM »
Is your vocabulary really that limited that you have to resort to name calling.....and no, not rude, honest.

I see you didn’t deny anything I posted.
Your post was a personal attack and you ARE a presumptuous hussy (in truth there are more accurate words to describe you but I’m far too polite).   Your post accused me of being an idiot in so many words.  I strongly deny that I am an idiot.  I have been hugely affected by this health crisis both personally and professionally , and to suggest otherwise is heaping further insult on insult. 

Why is it that socialists are always the most hate-filled people on the internet?  You’d think they’d be full of the milk of human kindness, but no!  They ooze bile from every pore. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #243 on: March 30, 2020, 05:13:09 PM »
Your post was a personal attack and you ARE a presumptuous hussy (in truth there are more accurate words to describe you but I’m far too polite).   Your post accused me of being an idiot in so many words.  I strongly deny that I am an idiot.  I have been hugely affected by this health crisis both personally and professionally , and to suggest otherwise is heaping further insult on insult. 

Why is it that socialists are always the most hate-filled people on the internet?  You’d think they’d be full of the milk of human kindness, but no!  They ooze bile from every pore.

Oozing bile from every pore...that’s exactly how I’d describe the above.

Where did I insult you ? You have said in previous posts that you have savings so you wouldn’t be greatly impacted financially by the lockdown. I was simply using your own words. That you haven’t been impacted by lack of equipment is, I’ll admit, an assumption as I really can’t believe anyone whose family is either a front line health care worker without PPE or has been adversely affected by lack of ventilators etc could possibly support this government’s handling of the virus.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #244 on: March 30, 2020, 06:36:46 PM »
Oozing bile from every pore...that’s exactly how I’d describe the above.

Where did I insult you ? You have said in previous posts that you have savings so you wouldn’t be greatly impacted financially by the lockdown. I was simply using your own words. That you haven’t been impacted by lack of equipment is, I’ll admit, an assumption as I really can’t believe anyone whose family is either a front line health care worker without PPE or has been adversely affected by lack of ventilators etc could possibly support this government’s handling of the virus.
Did you not write this

“You are Johnson’s dream constituent...he gives you gruel, tells you it’s the finest caviar and the others are too unsophisticated to know the difference and you gobble it all up”.

And you don’t think that was rude, implying that I’m some unsophisticated idiot who doesn’t understand what’s going on?

I will be massively impacted financially by the lockdown.  I am getting a one off payment grant of £10k, which is a lot less than I turnover in a month.  How long is that money going to last me?  Who knows.  Having to spend my life savings to cover it is not a great position to be in especially as I only have a tiny pension to look forward to.  Who knows if my business will even survive the next six months, or year.  I have two elderly parents with underlying health problems who live miles from me who I cannot visit and who may possibly die without me ever seeing them alive again.  I have a child stranded  in a foreign country who will not be able to come home for her 21st Birthday or Easter.  I myself have personal issues including health issues which all add to the strain, but I am not going to endless whinge and moan and blame the government day in, day out because I don’t see the point.  I would rather have a positive outlook than endlessly harp on about the negative.  To that end I took some small comfort from the fact that the daily death rate in this country has dropped 3 days running and that the number of patients hospitalised is not accelerating.  Small things to hold onto which you will no doubt do your best to pour cold water on.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #245 on: March 30, 2020, 07:45:06 PM »
Did you not write this

“You are Johnson’s dream constituent...he gives you gruel, tells you it’s the finest caviar and the others are too unsophisticated to know the difference and you gobble it all up”.

And you don’t think that was rude, implying that I’m some unsophisticated idiot who doesn’t understand what’s going on?

I will be massively impacted financially by the lockdown.  I am getting a one off payment grant of £10k, which is a lot less than I turnover in a month.  How long is that money going to last me?  Who knows.  Having to spend my life savings to cover it is not a great position to be in especially as I only have a tiny pension to look forward to.  Who knows if my business will even survive the next six months, or year.  I have two elderly parents with underlying health problems who live miles from me who I cannot visit and who may possibly die without me ever seeing them alive again.  I have a child stranded  in a foreign country who will not be able to come home for her 21st Birthday or Easter.  I myself have personal issues including health issues which all add to the strain, but I am not going to endless whinge and moan and blame the government day in, day out because I don’t see the point.  I would rather have a positive outlook than endlessly harp on about the negative.  To that end I took some small comfort from the fact that the daily death rate in this country has dropped 3 days running and that the number of patients hospitalised is not accelerating.  Small things to hold onto which you will no doubt do your best to pour cold water on.

I am greatly encouraged that the lockdown is bearing fruit.....now imagine if the government had done it weeks ago when it was obvious that this was the way things were heading. Imagine how many elderly relatives of others  would have been saved.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #246 on: March 30, 2020, 08:32:00 PM »
I am greatly encouraged that the lockdown is bearing fruit.....now imagine if the government had done it weeks ago when it was obvious that this was the way things were heading. Imagine how many elderly relatives of others  would have been saved.
When was Labour insisting we have a complete lockdown?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #247 on: March 30, 2020, 10:01:34 PM »
When was Labour insisting we have a complete lockdown?

They didn't. and anyway as has been mentioned Kinnocks and Corbyn were not compliant when it was a lock down!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #248 on: March 30, 2020, 10:18:02 PM »
When was Labour insisting we have a complete lockdown?

Labour isn’t in government.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #249 on: March 30, 2020, 10:37:07 PM »
Labour isn’t in government.
Neither are you, doesn’t stop you airing your views to anyone who will listen.  Surely the job of an effective opposition is to constructively challenge and highlight issues of national importance at every available opportunity? 
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 10:40:08 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #250 on: March 31, 2020, 12:48:43 AM »
Neither are you, doesn’t stop you airing your views to anyone who will listen.  Surely the job of an effective opposition is to constructively challenge and highlight issues of national importance at every available opportunity?

Then don’t listen.

Whether Labour is an effective opposition has nothing to do with anything. Labour were not privy to the information that the government had access to. This is a mess of the government’s making.



Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #251 on: March 31, 2020, 07:30:19 AM »
Then don’t listen.

Whether Labour is an effective opposition has nothing to do with anything. Labour were not privy to the information that the government had access to. This is a mess of the government’s making.
Ignorance is no defence, unless you’re the Labour Party - then it’s mandatory!  According to every mouthy know-it-all on the internet, even a child of six could have seen where this was going back in December 2019 when the first case was announced in Wuhan but you think Labour’s duty was to just keep quiet?  OK then.  Meanwhile the government appears to have the situation under control, how upsetting for you. 
« Last Edit: March 31, 2020, 08:15:12 AM by Vertigo Swirl »
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #252 on: March 31, 2020, 10:37:26 AM »
Ignorance is no defence, unless you’re the Labour Party - then it’s mandatory!  According to every mouthy know-it-all on the internet, even a child of six could have seen where this was going back in December 2019 when the first case was announced in Wuhan but you think Labour’s duty was to just keep quiet?  OK then.  Meanwhile the government appears to have the situation under control, how upsetting for you.

Is this really getting the situation under control ?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/nurses-doctors-putting-lives-risk-treating-coronavirus-patients-without-ppe-12481536/

Three doctors already dead and one in four self-isolating. It would appear neither you nor the PM care a jot about those putting their lives on the line for us.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Erngath

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Dange
« Reply #253 on: March 31, 2020, 01:16:15 PM »
Is this really getting the situation under control ?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/nurses-doctors-putting-lives-risk-treating-coronavirus-patients-without-ppe-12481536/

Three doctors already dead and one in four self-isolating. It would appear neither you nor the PM care a jot about those putting their lives on the line for us.


I have followed this debate between yourself and VS.  I think mistakes will be made, and errors of   judgement both in this country and elsewhere
I have no certainty that a Labour government would have been better or worse in preparing for this pandemic.
However nothing leads me to believe that the PM does not give a jot about those in the front line and that is a scurrilous accusation to make of VS.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Mortis

Re: Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?
« Reply #254 on: March 31, 2020, 11:00:37 PM »
No. It’s help in a crisis. From our government, we may pay the money back at some point later. If it were socialism it would be someone else’s money.
Having read through some of the posts on this subject I find the socialists approach quite laughable.
We, in the UK have companies like McLaren, Williams and Mercedes Benz making ventilators. In the USA Trimp has ordered GM to make them, they didn’t offer. He basically told them they should do this.
I am an unemployed man with a mortgage. I despise your socialism because it has never worked, society does not move forward with socialism.