Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?

[faithlilly]

I see Faithlilly is still desperately trying to goad and insult me despite me having her on ignore.  How sad.  Of course Luis will still be able to work here, since when did Brexit mean all EU nationals would be kicked out?  The drivel some people spout.  I expect most Big Issue sellers will still be here in ten years time too.

‘Nurses like Luis’. Please read what I write, not what you’d liked me to have written so you can have a fly dig.

Did you wait all day for Davel to post ?

[faithlilly]

I thought it was extremely interesting that the Portuguese President felt he had to personally thank nurse Luis Pitarma from Porto for looking after Boris Johnson instead of admitting shame that a Portuguese national would have to go abroad to get work.

I’ve seen some nonsense in my time on these boards but that just about takes the biscotti.

[Angelo222]

It’s really quite eye-opening just how many of the doctors and nurses that have been mentioned a propos of this latest crisis have been immigrants and I hope and believe it will make the people of the UK value our immigrant population alot more than perhaps we have done in the past.

Given that it is only being reported in Londonistan it's hardly surprising. Hopefully we can train a lot more of our own doctors and nurses in this new beginning and limit the number of foreigners allowed in to a bare minimum.

[Angelo222]

I’ve seen some nonsense in my time on these boards but that just about takes the biscotti.

Nice avatar but don't you mean LOSER instead of LEGEND?   

[misty]

Given that it is only being reported in Londonistan it's hardly surprising. Hopefully we can train a lot more of our own doctors and nurses in this new beginning and limit the number of foreigners allowed in to a bare minimum.

It costs over £200,000 for a 5 year degree course at medical school and that fee is taxpayer funded. There are hundreds fewer medical school places available to UK students each year than there are job vacancies. The student drop-out rate is an increasing cause for concern. (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/1613792/nhs-fears-as-increasing-number-of-medical-students-dropping-out/)
Other than employing qualified foreigners to fill the shortfall, what can economically be done to keep the NHS functioning at somewhere near a safe level?

[John]

It costs over £200,000 for a 5 year degree course at medical school and that fee is taxpayer funded. There are hundreds fewer medical school places available to UK students each year than there are job vacancies. The student drop-out rate is an increasing cause for concern. (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/1613792/nhs-fears-as-increasing-number-of-medical-students-dropping-out/)
Other than employing qualified foreigners to fill the shortfall, what can economically be done to keep the NHS functioning at somewhere near a safe level?

I think for starters they need to pay nurses and carers a proper wage.  There has to be a valid reason why our medical students are quitting courses while many poorly trained doctors and nurses from abroad are being recruited wholesale to take their places.

[misty]

I think for starters they need to pay nurses and carers a proper wage.  There has to be a valid reason why our medical students are quitting courses while many poorly trained doctors and nurses from abroad are being recruited wholesale to take their places.

I think they need to pay nurses to actually nurse rather than use them for pen-pushing and file carrying.
Nurses' salaries are on a par with teachers, firefighters & policemen and somewhat  higher than the lower ranks of HM Forces. How can an increase in nurses' pay be justified without increasing the salaries of those whose own  lives are potentially  at risk daily rather than just during this pandemic?

[faithlilly]

I think they need to pay nurses to actually nurse rather than use them for pen-pushing and file carrying.
Nurses' salaries are on a par with teachers, firefighters & policemen and somewhat  higher than the lower ranks of HM Forces. How can an increase in nurses' pay be justified without increasing the salaries of those whose own  lives are potentially  at risk daily rather than just during this pandemic?

Increase pay across the whole public sector.

[faithlilly]

Nice avatar but don't you mean LOSER instead of LEGEND?   

Very quick Angelo....give yourself a biscuit.

[misty]

Increase pay across the whole public sector.

And who's going to pay for that?

[faithlilly]

And who's going to pay for that?

We all are....don’t you think they are worth it ? A few pounds on our income tax....I certainly would pay it. After the monumental effort made by all our public services in this time of crisis it’s the least they deserve.

I notice it’s always the left willing to put their hands in their pockets.

[misty]

We all are....don’t you think they are worth it ? A few pounds on our income tax....I certainly would pay it. After the monumental effort made by all our public services in this time of crisis it’s the least they deserve.

I notice it’s always the left willing to put their hands in their pockets.

We're all going to have to pay more taxes when this pandemic is over, without even considering pay rises for those making a monumental effort right now and the inevitable loss of thousands of jobs. Perhaps a one-off bonus would be a fairer option than crippling the taxpayers who already fund too many gold-plated public service wages & pensions.

[Venturi Swirl]

Given that it is only being reported in Londonistan it's hardly surprising. Hopefully we can train a lot more of our own doctors and nurses in this new beginning and limit the number of foreigners allowed in to a bare minimum.

Until then thank god for “foreigners” (and it’s not just London where they prop up the NHS, I know this from personal experience).

[Angelo222]

Until then thank god for “foreigners” (and it’s not just London where they prop up the NHS, I know this from personal experience).

Always remembering that it was foreigners, namely the Chinese and those they infected, who brought this plague upon our lands mostly thanks to Terminal 2 at Heathrow Airport.

[Mr Gray]

Always remembering that it was foreigners, namely the Chinese and those they infected, who brought this plague upon our lands mostly thanks to Terminal 2 at Heathrow Airport.

Some of us like to travel to other countries.....perhaps you would prefer if the whole world was locked down for good