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Offline G-Unit

The costs of bringing this case against Amaral have never been publicised. We don't know how much they were or whether they have been paid. I think it will be interesting to see just how this develops.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2022, 12:25:36 PM »
The costs of bringing this case against Amaral have never been publicised. We don't know how much they were or whether they have been paid. I think it will be interesting to see just how this develops.

of course it will be...it will be interesting if the mccanns appeal and find a lawyer who has a proven track record at theECHR

Offline jassi

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2022, 12:27:10 PM »
The costs of bringing this case against Amaral have never been publicised. We don't know how much they were or whether they have been paid. I think it will be interesting to see just how this develops.

I'm confident none of it will be paid for out of McCann family income.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline The General

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2022, 12:34:55 PM »
Yes. Next they'll be bleating that they can't afford to search for Maddie due to having to pay legal fees and can anybody help, etc, balloons, wrist bands, GoFundMe, Titsmarsh, etc.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2022, 12:35:40 PM »
I'm confident none of it will be paid for out of McCann family income.

I am certain that you are right about that.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2022, 12:36:58 PM »
Yes. Next they'll be bleating that they can't afford to search for Maddie due to having to pay legal fees and can anybody help, etc, balloons, wrist bands, GoFundMe, Titsmarsh, etc.

I suspect that a lot of people will.

Offline The General

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 12:37:48 PM »
I'm confident none of it will be paid for out of McCann family income.
No chance. Unless it's a payment scheme akin to those arranged for dole fiddlers, paying 70p a week ad infinitum.
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Offline The General

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 12:38:51 PM »
I suspect that a lot of people will.
Buy a balloon off the McCann's at one of their jumble sales? Probably.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2022, 12:40:45 PM »
Yes. Next they'll be bleating that they can't afford to search for Maddie due to having to pay legal fees and can anybody help, etc, balloons, wrist bands, GoFundMe, Titsmarsh, etc.

Im sure they accept Maddie is dead as theyve voiced support for the German investigation

Offline G-Unit

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2022, 12:47:37 PM »
I'm confident none of it will be paid for out of McCann family income.

As at 31/03/2021 Madeleine's Fund had £ 270,000 in it's unrestricted funds. If there are claims for compensation and interest arising in Portugal it could get very expensive imo.
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Offline The General

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2022, 12:51:07 PM »
As at 31/03/2021 Madeleine's Fund had £ 270,000 in it's unrestricted funds. If there are claims for compensation and interest arising in Portugal it could get very expensive imo.
Isn't the fund a limited company?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2022, 12:57:25 PM »
The McCanns seemed quite relaxed about the jusgement in their press statement so I don't think people should count on them or the fund being wiped out and destroyed ( much as they might wish this to be the case).
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2022, 01:02:57 PM »
The McCanns seemed quite relaxed about the jusgement in their press statement so I don't think people should count on them or the fund being wiped out and destroyed ( much as they might wish this to be the case).

This case achieved its purpose at the time.

Offline Brietta

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2022, 01:07:27 PM »
The costs of bringing this case against Amaral have never been publicised. We don't know how much they were or whether they have been paid. I think it will be interesting to see just how this develops.

It is extraordinary the way in which "costs" run the sceptic agenda and their great cause for grievance that there was actually money in place for her parents to deal with the expense of keeping the search for Madeleine a live one at a time when THEIRS WAS THE ONLY INVESTIGATION LOOKING FOR HER.

One could almost be led to believe that there are those who believe missing children should be written off and their disappearance not investigated because of expense.
A real abductors' charter indeed.

Such was the genesis of the recent ECHR judgement
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2022, 01:23:24 PM »
As at 31/03/2021 Madeleine's Fund had £ 270,000 in it's unrestricted funds. If there are claims for compensation and interest arising in Portugal it could get very expensive imo.

And what a joy that would be for some imo.

There are further ramifications than apportioning money ultimately reserved for charities directed for the missing which Misty has pointed out on another thread.
And to which like the elephant in the room is studiously ignored because it is put in terms which are irrefutable.

I'm late to the wake, having taken time out to buy a new dummy and put my toys back in the pram.
Sometimes the law is an ass. I think this is one of those occasions, whereby the judgement sends a chilling message to families of any child who happens to go missing or be abducted. Should such families choose to engage with the media proactively in attempts to locate their child they run the risk of being deemed public figures and subsequently receive little protection against an accusations levelled at them, regardless of innocence or guilt.
Whilst the ruling may be legally correct based on the ECHR's interpretation of the Portuguese SC's ruling, and only the SC ruling not the case as a whole, imo it is both unethical and unjust. However, it has no bearing on the ongoing investigations into Madeleine's abduction and murder, despite Amaral's gleeful pronouncement to the contrary. Madeleine's murderer hasn't yet been charged.
The ECHR can be at odds with itself on occasions, with profound effects on the culture of an entire nation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10456956
The appeal by Italy was successful.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/mar/18/european-court-human-rights-crucifixes-allowed

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12414.msg691732#msg691732


The Cipriano case is one example.  The McCann another.  It would seem it is not politic for parents to publicise a missing child particularly if the police aren't bothering to do so.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....