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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: icabodcrane on April 08, 2013, 10:40:18 PM
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His name seems to crop up frequently in the McCann case
What do we know about him ?
(http://i.imgur.com/5bkQdZ6.jpg?2) (http://i.imgur.com/fMgbAgS.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/B7jDq0V.jpg?1)
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What ? ... nothing ?
Well I've been doing a bit of web searching and this chap no-one seems to know anything about, who's name crops up time and again in the McCann case, seems to have had a very murky connection with the private detectives hired by the McCanns ( the ones who have since been arrested .. Metodo 3 )
Can it really be true that the McCann's investigators used Madeleine Fund money to pay him to discredit the police ?
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What ? ... nothing ?
Well I've been doing a bit of web searching and this chap no-one seems to know anything about, who's name crops up time and again in the McCann case, seems to have had a very murky connection with the private detectives hired by the McCanns ( the ones who have since been arrested .. Metodo 3 )
Can it really be true that the McCann's investigators used Madeleine Fund money to pay him to discredit the police ?
Do you have any link to any evidence that McCann investigators paid him? Or is this simply a made up allegation?
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What ? ... nothing ?
Well I've been doing a bit of web searching and this chap no-one seems to know anything about, who's name crops up time and again in the McCann case, seems to have had a very murky connection with the private detectives hired by the McCanns ( the ones who have since been arrested .. Metodo 3 )
Can it really be true that the McCann's investigators used Madeleine Fund money to pay him to discredit the police ?
You couldn't have looked far, icabodcrane.
Amaral knows him well enough. He's also the lawyer that was acting for Leonor Cipriano, for FREE!
But I presume you already know all about him, and are just being picky.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t4149-accused-of-defaming-former-inspector-goncalo-amaral-know-today-the-court-decision
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Marcos Correia is an honourable man who fights for Human Rights, and cares very much about Leonor Cipriano.
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Marcos Correia is an honourable man who fights for Human Rights, and cares very much about Leonor Cipriano.
He must have been very disappointed when she had 7 months added to her sentence last week for lying to the court ... and why did he stop representing the child murderess if he cares so very much about her ?
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You can read all about him here...
http://www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/Marcos%20Correia%20outburst.html
which includes this piece...
Marcos Correia was to tell the media, when he first became publicly associated with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in January 2008, that on Sunday 6 May 2007 - just three days after Madeleine McCann was reported missing – he had been told that ‘underworld sources’ had told him that Madeleine McCann had ‘been abducted, raped, killed and her body thrown in a ‘murky lake’.’
He was later to admit that this story was a complete and utter fabrication having absolutely no foundation whatsoever.
He then came up with an entirely new account of how his interest in the Madeleine McCann case was supposed to have come about. He now had an entirely novel explanation for how he came to believe (see below) that Madeleine’s body had been thrown into a murky lake.
He now informed the media that his interest in Madeleine had begun with a supernatural vision. This vision, he claimed, had come to him upon his conversion to spiritualism in Madeira. He said that he had recently become a spiritualist and had received a supernatural vision on the evening after his very first attendance at a Spiritualist Church meeting on Madeira, on Saturday 5 May 2007, two days after Madeleine was reported missing. In this vision, he claimed he had seen Madeleine’s body being thrown into a lake – which he subsequently decided must have been the Arade Dam.
This is the full account he gave to Portuguese journalist José Leite, from the magazine O Crime, of this vision, in December 2008:
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“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me [presumably he means during his alleged vision], that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
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Marcos Correia is an honourable man who fights for Human Rights, and cares very much about Leonor Cipriano.
He must have been very disappointed when she had 7 months added to her sentence last week for lying to the court ... and why did he stop representing the child murderess if he cares so very much about her ?
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What ? ... nothing ?
Well I've been doing a bit of web searching and this chap no-one seems to know anything about, who's name crops up time and again in the McCann case, seems to have had a very murky connection with the private detectives hired by the McCanns ( the ones who have since been arrested .. Metodo 3 )
Can it really be true that the McCann's investigators used Madeleine Fund money to pay him to discredit the police ?
Do you have any link to any evidence that McCann investigators paid him? Or is this simply a made up allegation?
I don't know if it's a 'made up' allegation or not ... that's why I asked the question "Can it really be true ?"
... do you think it's 'made up' ?
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Under questioning, Correia allegedly admitted that Metodo 3 had paid him ‘expenses’ for the searches at the Arade dam which is where he claimed that Maddie's body lay. It appears that the divers were probably funded not by Mr Correia, but by Metodo 3, who were in turn funded by Kennedy/Madeleine Fund.
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Under questioning, Correia allegedly admitted that Metodo 3 had paid him ‘expenses’ for the searches at the Arade dam which is where he claimed that Maddie's body lay. It appears that the divers were probably funded not by Mr Correia, but by Metodo 3, who were in turn funded by Kennedy/Madeleine Fund.
What do you mean 'under questioning'
Where and when was he questioned about his connection to, and money recieved from, the McCann detectives ?
I know nothing about this fellow, except for a few things I have read since yesterday so my questions are out of genuine interest ( thanks for the article above )
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The private life of Marcos Correia is his own business. He has defended Leonor Cipriano for Free, and against enormous opposition from The Portuguese Judiciary who persistently refuse to even consider that her Conviction is at the very least Unsafe, despite accepting that a Confession was obtained by Torture.
He is a brave man in the face of a Fascist State, and for that I admire him.
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Marcos Correia, lawyer for Léonor Cipriano suspended and expelled from court.
http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/avocat-de-l%C3%A9onor-cipriano-suspendu-et-expuls%C3%A9-du-tribunal-1702161
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The Portuguese reaction to the Cipriano appeal may be similar to where the UK was in the 1980s:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/mar/12/gareth-peirce-birmingham-six
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The Portuguese reaction to the Cipriano appeal may be similar to where the UK was in the 1980s:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/mar/12/gareth-peirce-birmingham-six
I was as grossly offended then as I am now, and ever will be about Unsafe Convictions. Best not to set me off on The Irish Problem.
At the very least, The Convictions of both of The Cipriano Defendants were Unsafe. The minute that Torture comes into it, the Case is lost.
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When did Correia stop representing the convicted child murderess ?
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Marcos Correia, lawyer for Léonor Cipriano suspended and expelled from court.
http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/avocat-de-l%C3%A9onor-cipriano-suspendu-et-expuls%C3%A9-du-tribunal-1702161
Wasn't for long though, John. Dirty tricks, didn't work in decent court. Good job it wasn't Faro, court.
December 8, 2009
Bar ABSOLVED Marcos Aragão Correia participation of Gonçalo Amaral
Marcos Aragão Correia, Attorney Domingos Maria Leonor Cipriano, hereby informed the media that the Portuguese Bar Association, through its competent organ for this purpose - the Council of Ethics Madeira, notified him of the date of yesterday that all disciplinary proceedings against him were dismissed hung and ordered filed.
Were at least three of their processes, namely:
- Case inquiry to determine whether the Attorney Marcos Aragão Correia has violated or not the secrecy that is required to make public reports of its constituents Ana Sofia Brás, José Araújo for crimes committed against them by Gonçalo Amaral de Sousa;
- Disciplinary proceedings brought by another registered, accusing Marcos Aragão E of illegally refused to continue to be your advocate, after it discovered that that registered wanted to sponsor a question immoral and illegal;
- Disciplinary proceedings brought by Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, through its representative Dr. António Cabrita, accusing the lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia practice of various unlawful acts in defense of Leonor Cipriano.
After holding a public hearing, the Portuguese Bar Association unanimously agreed that in any situation Lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia committed any illegality or irregularity, and therefore rejected all pending disciplinary proceedings, ordering them to close.
This decision, it should be noted, was unanimous, with all five members that make up the Council of Ethics Madeira agree entirely with her, and so acted accordingly on 12 November this year, ruling that Marcos was notified Aragão Correia on yesterday, December 7, 2009.
Marcos Aragão Correia expresses its satisfaction for having done justice in this case may well continue to defend the mother of Joana Cipriano under these slanderous suspicion that hung himself on almost all of them created and circulated by convicted Gonçalo Amaral de Sousa with the sole purpose of slandering and harming the existing illegally Lawyer Leonor Cipriano.
Marcos Aragão Correia also said that will be attentive to the new book defamatory of the convicted Gonçalo Amaral de Sousa, and that all attempts to the same pay and continue to slander defame its constituent Leonor Cipriano, the daughter of her constituent, Joana Cipriano, stepfather the child and / or the legitimate representative of this family, will, as has happened so far, the subject of criminal proceedings, which will follow its due diligence procedures are followed as the other processes that have been filed against the same offender.
The best interests of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro will always be the motive of all our actions.
Along these lines, and under the Resource Review for the mother of Joan, his lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia also informed that in order to avoid further unnecessary suspicions slanderous by the enemies of innocent children missing, will not attend the hearing of Leonor Cipriano next Wednesday 9 days (14 hours) to be held at the sentences of Évora, and maintaining their constituent repeating the grave slander that this could be to be constrained by his lawyer. Thus, it is not mandatory presence of a lawyer in their care, the mother of Joana alone respond to all questions of Dear. Dra Court Judge Executive Sentencing of Evora on the disappearance of her daughter Joana.
Attached in this release is the scanning resolution of the Portuguese Bar Association, calling for journalists to Mr disclosure of its contents, given the extremely negative impact that represented the wide dissemination of his preventive suspension while practicing in 22 days January of this year, based on the same main libelous disciplinary proceedings brought by convicted Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral.
Thanks for that Truth is restored.
Counsel the mother and stepfather of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro
Marcos Aragão Correia.
Well done, You, DCI. I knew there was something. Never trust a word said by Duarte Levy. Not even his name. Best ask Joana Morais about him. Although she isn't much keen on talking about her "Liaison" with him.
Sorry if that is a bit unkind, but that woman has done so much damage.
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Marcos Correia is an honourable man who fights for Human Rights, and cares very much about Leonor Cipriano.
Please don't talk about what you don't know.
Marcos Correia was a dilettante that in order to survive his father's brilliant career, fame and obviously a burden for his name, he decided to get into whatever organization would accept him.
I'm not going to reveal all his youthful lunacies, out of respect for his family, but what led him to use the McCann case to try to become a "star" was the chance he got by associating himself with ACED ( Association against exclusion for development). This Association was created by a University teacher (António Pedro Dores, if memory doesn't fail me) that was mainly worried about the human rights in prisons - in fact he is notable for denouncing cases of torture in prisons.
Mr. Alexandre, which had been involved in his very early youth in the creation of a political party, PND, know by its radical positions against the system and sometimes even dating radical nacionalist and racist movements, decided that his future would be more profitable if he made a name for himself.
He made a ridiculous case out of a supposed letter sent to the Mccs, putting an action in Court against the Post Office for not having delivered it, for which he was dismissed in shame and had to pay, I beleive 100 €.
Later he made up all that fuss around João Cipriano, that he confessed he led to lie in order to implicate Gonçalo Amaral.
Finally he admittedly used Leonor Cipriano to try to incriminate Gonçalo Amaral. We know now that Leonor was condemned to a further 6 months over her previous 16 years, for having lied to the Court about Gonçalo Amaral and the other 4 PJ officers.
So, Mr. Alexandre Marcos Correia is indeed a very honorable person. I'm very sorry for his family and his father's greatness, fortunately will not suffer from his unnamely actions.
I praise here one of the most important figures of the Portuguese culture, António Manuel de Sousa Aragão Mendes Correia, while I despise the son that didn't honour him.
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He is a lawyer who believes in supernatural visions.... Says it all.
QUOTE by Marcos Correia
“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me [presumably he means during his alleged vision], that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
And this character expects to be taken seriously?
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VBoOuOIBFiM/ST10qA2K2rI/AAAAAAAAA4o/z_IHaKSZxu0/s320/news-graphics-2008-_440412a.jpg)
Marcos Correia at the dam where nothing was found.
Who paid for this fiasco?
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' lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia '
Now what can you say about him ?
Plenty of course, but not repeatable in polite conversation.
So many claims by him and so much garbage.
e.g. For the 'record'..............
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/maddie-killed-and-dumped-claims-lawyer-966292
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' lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia '
Now what can you say about him ?
Plenty of course, but not repeatable in polite conversation.
So many claims by him and so much garbage.
e.g. For the 'record'..............
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/maddie-killed-and-dumped-claims-lawyer-966292
Everyone makes mistakes Stephen
At least he made a massive attempt at finding Madeleine
What have YOU done?
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Everyone makes mistakes Stephen
At least he made a massive attempt at finding Madeleine
What have YOU done?
What on earth are you on about ?
Why should I be spending my time and money searching for Madeleine, when her disappearance is a result of her parents incompetent parenting ?
Why haven't they spent their own money rather than relying on donations from others and book sales ?
Plenty of other people have done far more to search for MADELEINE than her parents ever did, and received scant, if any thanks for it.
As for Correia.............. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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As for Correia.............. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
Marcos Aragao Corriea ....A man who has seriously tried to find Madeleine .... when you haven't !
How rude about a man you dont even know ... and safe in the knowledge that he is in another Country so unable to defend himself ... or attack you back
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Marcos Aragao Corriera ....A man who has seriously tried to find Madeleine .... when you haven't !
How rude about a man you dont even know ... and safe in the knowledge that he is in another Country so unable to defend himself ... or attack you back
He's welcome to debate on here.
As to Corriera surely you realize the less said the better.
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.....and there's this.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post137154.html#p137154
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No comments sadie ?
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A brief insight into the life of Marcos Aragão Correia
1975 - Born: Madeira.
2000? - Aged 25, sets up legal practice in Madeira claiming he ‘specialises in human rights’ cases.
2001? - He sets himself up as head of a ‘Human Rights Association’, ACED, widely regarded as a self-promotional ‘joke’ in Portugal, and which has a track record of making outrageous legal claims.
2004? - Co-founds right-wing, nationalist, political party, which as yet has little popular support and no MPs or Councillors. That party has taken into membership a number of people with neo-Nazi ideology, some of them who have served prison sentences for their crimes.
3 May 2007 - Madeleine McCann reported missing.
5 May 2007 - He now claims that on this day, two days after Madeleine was reported missing, he attended a spiritualist church on Madeira for the first time, and on returning home, sometime before midnight, had a vision in which he learnt that Madeleine had been raped by paedophiles and killed (see also below). NOTE: We do not accept this account as truthful. He had previously claimed that ‘underworld sources’ had told him about Madeleine having been abducted, raped and killed (see next item)
6 May 2007 - This is the day Marcos Aragão Correia had previously claimed that his underworld sources told him that Madeleine McCann had been raped and killed and her body thrown into a ‘murky lake’. He later admitted that this had been a lie.
9 May 2007 - He claimed that on this day he told the Portuguese Police what the underworld sources had told him about Madeleine being killed. He says the PJ ignored him.
21 June 2007 - Aragão Correia organises a release of yellow balloons on Madeira in support of the McCanns’ claims that Madeleine had been abducted. This is the first clear sign that he was actively supporting the McCanns’ campaign.
June to November 2007 - There is no information about his actions during this period, except claiming that he sent a recorded delivery letter to the McCanns (see below). Other evidence (see below) suggests that by September 2007, or soon afterwards, he was probably in touch with private detectives from Método 3, negotiating a lucrative financial deal with them, on behalf of the McCanns, to (a) arrange searches of the Arade Dam (see below) and (b) to represent child murderess and serial liar Leonor Cipriano in a set of legal proceedings primarily intended to target Gonçalo Amaral.
2 Oct 2007 - Claims to have sent a Recorded Delivery letter from Madeira to the McCanns in Rothley on that date, allegedly containing details of ‘vital clues and evidence’ in the case. He also says that he had earlier notified the Polícia Judiciária in Funchal (Madeira) about his concerns but got no reply.
17 Oct 2007 - Says he was notified that the Recorded Delivery letter never arrived to the McCanns, although allegedly the letter was ‘signed for’.
13 Nov 2007 - Mysteriously sues the Portuguese postal service (the Correios de Portugal - CTT) for allegedly failing to deliver this letter. He told the court that heard his claim: “They are controversial matters, because there is no material proof of them, but I assure you there is a high degree of credibility about them. I am fulfilling my duty as a Portuguese citizen to take my ideas to the right place. I took my ideas to the PJ in Funchal, but since they didn’t reply, I took them direct to the McCanns”. He says a CTT official falsely reported that the Recorded Delivery letter had been received. The judge dismissed Aragão Correia’s claim as unsubstantiated and ordered him to pay court costs of 100 euros (around £80). Source: Madeira Daily News, 13 Nov 2007.
10 Dec 2007 - Says that on this day, he personally visited the Arade Dam with Método 3 detectives. He says that on the same day, he also told the Portuguese Police about his theory that Madeleine’s body was probably lying in the Arade Dam, near the tower by the lake. He said he had reached this conclusion after carefully considering information he said he had received from ‘underworld sources’, who told him that Madeleine’s body was ‘in a murky lake, with a beach, near some trees’. Later, when questions were asked about his sources of information and why he hadn’t acted sooner, he changed his story to say that he had had a ‘supernatural indication’ or ‘vision’ of where Madeleine’s body might be (see below).
Dec 2007 - late Jan 2008 - Said Portuguese Police did ‘nothing’ to act on his ‘information’.
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3]. He was described in sections of the British press as ‘a Good Samaritan’ for apparently funding these searches out of his own pocket. The media were conveniently on hand to record the discovery of a 17-foot length of cord, which he said ‘could have been used to tie up Madeleine’. At the same time the head of the Portuguese Police publicly stated that in his opinion the McCanns were made arguidos ‘hastily’ by Gonçalo Amaral and his colleagues.
Mar 2008 - Further search of the dam, this time managing to find ‘two black plastic bags of bones’ in the lake. Once again, media were on hand to take photos of Dive Time divers, bags of bones etc. - there were lots of pictures of divers in black wet-suits in British media. Aragão Correia says he is ‘99% certain that Madeleine’s body will be found here’ in the Arade Dam.
These stories served a number of purposes, including:
(a) promoting the claim by the head of the Portuguese police that they had acted ‘hastily’ in making Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann suspects
(b) promoting the notion that the Portuguese police had been incompetent by (allegedly) deliberately ignoring the vital evidence of Mr Aragão Correia’s underworld sources that Madeleine had been killed and her body dumped at the bottom of a murky lake
(c) re-opening the possibility that Madeleine’s body being dumped in the Arade Dam tied in with the suspicious sighting of a woman transferring a young child to another car in the Silves area, the woman being said to look like Michaela Walczuch, Robert Murat’s girlfriend
(d) promoting the view that Dr Gerald and Kate McCann were not responsible for what happened to Madeleine. Aragão Correia said: “I don't believe Kate and Gerry did it. It could have been a single madman or a gang”.
Mar - October 2008 - Silence from Aragão Correia, apart from, in the background...
8 April 2008 - Visits Leonor Cipriano in Odemira Prison and has discussions with the Prison Governor there.
October 2008 - Dramatically pops up in court to replace the lawyer representing the serial liar and murderess of her own daughter, Leonor Cipriano, currently serving a 16-year jail term for murder, in her claim that a confession was beaten out of her by Gonçalo Amaral and his four detectives. The original claim against Mr Amaral had been made in 2006 by other lawyers but was now, suddenly, being handled by Marcos Aragão Correia.
November 2008 - Admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
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A brief insight into the life of Marcos Aragão Correia
1975 - Born: Madeira.
2000? - Aged 25, sets up legal practice in Madeira claiming he ‘specialises in human rights’ cases.
2001? - He sets himself up as head of a ‘Human Rights Association’, ACED, widely regarded as a self-promotional ‘joke’ in Portugal, and which has a track record of making outrageous legal claims.
2004? - Co-founds right-wing, nationalist, political party, which as yet has little popular support and no MPs or Councillors. That party has taken into membership a number of people with neo-Nazi ideology, some of them who have served prison sentences for their crimes.
3 May 2007 - Madeleine McCann reported missing.
5 May 2007 - He now claims that on this day, two days after Madeleine was reported missing, he attended a spiritualist church on Madeira for the first time, and on returning home, sometime before midnight, had a vision in which he learnt that Madeleine had been raped by paedophiles and killed (see also below). NOTE: We do not accept this account as truthful. He had previously claimed that ‘underworld sources’ had told him about Madeleine having been abducted, raped and killed (see next item)
6 May 2007 - This is the day Marcos Aragão Correia had previously claimed that his underworld sources told him that Madeleine McCann had been raped and killed and her body thrown into a ‘murky lake’. He later admitted that this had been a lie.
9 May 2007 - He claimed that on this day he told the Portuguese Police what the underworld sources had told him about Madeleine being killed. He says the PJ ignored him.
21 June 2007 - Aragão Correia organises a release of yellow balloons on Madeira in support of the McCanns’ claims that Madeleine had been abducted. This is the first clear sign that he was actively supporting the McCanns’ campaign.
June to November 2007 - There is no information about his actions during this period, except claiming that he sent a recorded delivery letter to the McCanns (see below). Other evidence (see below) suggests that by September 2007, or soon afterwards, he was probably in touch with private detectives from Método 3, negotiating a lucrative financial deal with them, on behalf of the McCanns, to (a) arrange searches of the Arade Dam (see below) and (b) to represent child murderess and serial liar Leonor Cipriano in a set of legal proceedings primarily intended to target Gonçalo Amaral.
2 Oct 2007 - Claims to have sent a Recorded Delivery letter from Madeira to the McCanns in Rothley on that date, allegedly containing details of ‘vital clues and evidence’ in the case. He also says that he had earlier notified the Polícia Judiciária in Funchal (Madeira) about his concerns but got no reply.
17 Oct 2007 - Says he was notified that the Recorded Delivery letter never arrived to the McCanns, although allegedly the letter was ‘signed for’.
13 Nov 2007 - Mysteriously sues the Portuguese postal service (the Correios de Portugal - CTT) for allegedly failing to deliver this letter. He told the court that heard his claim: “They are controversial matters, because there is no material proof of them, but I assure you there is a high degree of credibility about them. I am fulfilling my duty as a Portuguese citizen to take my ideas to the right place. I took my ideas to the PJ in Funchal, but since they didn’t reply, I took them direct to the McCanns”. He says a CTT official falsely reported that the Recorded Delivery letter had been received. The judge dismissed Aragão Correia’s claim as unsubstantiated and ordered him to pay court costs of 100 euros (around £80). Source: Madeira Daily News, 13 Nov 2007.
10 Dec 2007 - Says that on this day, he personally visited the Arade Dam with Método 3 detectives. He says that on the same day, he also told the Portuguese Police about his theory that Madeleine’s body was probably lying in the Arade Dam, near the tower by the lake. He said he had reached this conclusion after carefully considering information he said he had received from ‘underworld sources’, who told him that Madeleine’s body was ‘in a murky lake, with a beach, near some trees’. Later, when questions were asked about his sources of information and why he hadn’t acted sooner, he changed his story to say that he had had a ‘supernatural indication’ or ‘vision’ of where Madeleine’s body might be (see below).
Dec 2007 - late Jan 2008 - Said Portuguese Police did ‘nothing’ to act on his ‘information’.
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3]. He was described in sections of the British press as ‘a Good Samaritan’ for apparently funding these searches out of his own pocket. The media were conveniently on hand to record the discovery of a 17-foot length of cord, which he said ‘could have been used to tie up Madeleine’. At the same time the head of the Portuguese Police publicly stated that in his opinion the McCanns were made arguidos ‘hastily’ by Gonçalo Amaral and his colleagues.
Mar 2008 - Further search of the dam, this time managing to find ‘two black plastic bags of bones’ in the lake. Once again, media were on hand to take photos of Dive Time divers, bags of bones etc. - there were lots of pictures of divers in black wet-suits in British media. Aragão Correia says he is ‘99% certain that Madeleine’s body will be found here’ in the Arade Dam.
These stories served a number of purposes, including:
(a) promoting the claim by the head of the Portuguese police that they had acted ‘hastily’ in making Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann suspects
(b) promoting the notion that the Portuguese police had been incompetent by (allegedly) deliberately ignoring the vital evidence of Mr Aragão Correia’s underworld sources that Madeleine had been killed and her body dumped at the bottom of a murky lake
(c) re-opening the possibility that Madeleine’s body being dumped in the Arade Dam tied in with the suspicious sighting of a woman transferring a young child to another car in the Silves area, the woman being said to look like Michaela Walczuch, Robert Murat’s girlfriend
(d) promoting the view that Dr Gerald and Kate McCann were not responsible for what happened to Madeleine. Aragão Correia said: “I don't believe Kate and Gerry did it. It could have been a single madman or a gang”.
Mar - October 2008 - Silence from Aragão Correia, apart from, in the background...
8 April 2008 - Visits Leonor Cipriano in Odemira Prison and has discussions with the Prison Governor there.
October 2008 - Dramatically pops up in court to replace the lawyer representing the serial liar and murderess of her own daughter, Leonor Cipriano, currently serving a 16-year jail term for murder, in her claim that a confession was beaten out of her by Gonçalo Amaral and his four detectives. The original claim against Mr Amaral had been made in 2006 by other lawyers but was now, suddenly, being handled by Marcos Aragão Correia.
November 2008 - Admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
Do you have anything to support these claims or are they just gossip
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These facts are readily available by searching the internet. This forum does not permit material to be posted which is verifiably false so again I ask which part of the record relating to Marcos Aragão Correia is untrue?
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A brief insight into the life of Marcos Aragão Correia
1975 - Born: Madeira.
2000? - Aged 25, sets up legal practice in Madeira claiming he ‘specialises in human rights’ cases.
2001? - He sets himself up as head of a ‘Human Rights Association’, ACED, widely regarded as a self-promotional ‘joke’ in Portugal, and which has a track record of making outrageous legal claims.
2004? - Co-founds right-wing, nationalist, political party, which as yet has little popular support and no MPs or Councillors. That party has taken into membership a number of people with neo-Nazi ideology, some of them who have served prison sentences for their crimes.
3 May 2007 - Madeleine McCann reported missing.
5 May 2007 - He now claims that on this day, two days after Madeleine was reported missing, he attended a spiritualist church on Madeira for the first time, and on returning home, sometime before midnight, had a vision in which he learnt that Madeleine had been raped by paedophiles and killed (see also below). NOTE: We do not accept this account as truthful. He had previously claimed that ‘underworld sources’ had told him about Madeleine having been abducted, raped and killed (see next item)
6 May 2007 - This is the day Marcos Aragão Correia had previously claimed that his underworld sources told him that Madeleine McCann had been raped and killed and her body thrown into a ‘murky lake’. He later admitted that this had been a lie.
9 May 2007 - He claimed that on this day he told the Portuguese Police what the underworld sources had told him about Madeleine being killed. He says the PJ ignored him.
21 June 2007 - Aragão Correia organises a release of yellow balloons on Madeira in support of the McCanns’ claims that Madeleine had been abducted. This is the first clear sign that he was actively supporting the McCanns’ campaign.
June to November 2007 - There is no information about his actions during this period, except claiming that he sent a recorded delivery letter to the McCanns (see below). Other evidence (see below) suggests that by September 2007, or soon afterwards, he was probably in touch with private detectives from Método 3, negotiating a lucrative financial deal with them, on behalf of the McCanns, to (a) arrange searches of the Arade Dam (see below) and (b) to represent child murderess and serial liar Leonor Cipriano in a set of legal proceedings primarily intended to target Gonçalo Amaral.
2 Oct 2007 - Claims to have sent a Recorded Delivery letter from Madeira to the McCanns in Rothley on that date, allegedly containing details of ‘vital clues and evidence’ in the case. He also says that he had earlier notified the Polícia Judiciária in Funchal (Madeira) about his concerns but got no reply.
17 Oct 2007 - Says he was notified that the Recorded Delivery letter never arrived to the McCanns, although allegedly the letter was ‘signed for’.
13 Nov 2007 - Mysteriously sues the Portuguese postal service (the Correios de Portugal - CTT) for allegedly failing to deliver this letter. He told the court that heard his claim: “They are controversial matters, because there is no material proof of them, but I assure you there is a high degree of credibility about them. I am fulfilling my duty as a Portuguese citizen to take my ideas to the right place. I took my ideas to the PJ in Funchal, but since they didn’t reply, I took them direct to the McCanns”. He says a CTT official falsely reported that the Recorded Delivery letter had been received. The judge dismissed Aragão Correia’s claim as unsubstantiated and ordered him to pay court costs of 100 euros (around £80). Source: Madeira Daily News, 13 Nov 2007.
10 Dec 2007 - Says that on this day, he personally visited the Arade Dam with Método 3 detectives. He says that on the same day, he also told the Portuguese Police about his theory that Madeleine’s body was probably lying in the Arade Dam, near the tower by the lake. He said he had reached this conclusion after carefully considering information he said he had received from ‘underworld sources’, who told him that Madeleine’s body was ‘in a murky lake, with a beach, near some trees’. Later, when questions were asked about his sources of information and why he hadn’t acted sooner, he changed his story to say that he had had a ‘supernatural indication’ or ‘vision’ of where Madeleine’s body might be (see below).
Dec 2007 - late Jan 2008 - Said Portuguese Police did ‘nothing’ to act on his ‘information’.
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3]. He was described in sections of the British press as ‘a Good Samaritan’ for apparently funding these searches out of his own pocket. The media were conveniently on hand to record the discovery of a 17-foot length of cord, which he said ‘could have been used to tie up Madeleine’. At the same time the head of the Portuguese Police publicly stated that in his opinion the McCanns were made arguidos ‘hastily’ by Gonçalo Amaral and his colleagues.
Mar 2008 - Further search of the dam, this time managing to find ‘two black plastic bags of bones’ in the lake. Once again, media were on hand to take photos of Dive Time divers, bags of bones etc. - there were lots of pictures of divers in black wet-suits in British media. Aragão Correia says he is ‘99% certain that Madeleine’s body will be found here’ in the Arade Dam.
These stories served a number of purposes, including:
(a) promoting the claim by the head of the Portuguese police that they had acted ‘hastily’ in making Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann suspects
(b) promoting the notion that the Portuguese police had been incompetent by (allegedly) deliberately ignoring the vital evidence of Mr Aragão Correia’s underworld sources that Madeleine had been killed and her body dumped at the bottom of a murky lake
(c) re-opening the possibility that Madeleine’s body being dumped in the Arade Dam tied in with the suspicious sighting of a woman transferring a young child to another car in the Silves area, the woman being said to look like Michaela Walczuch, Robert Murat’s girlfriend
(d) promoting the view that Dr Gerald and Kate McCann were not responsible for what happened to Madeleine. Aragão Correia said: “I don't believe Kate and Gerry did it. It could have been a single madman or a gang”.
Mar - October 2008 - Silence from Aragão Correia, apart from, in the background...
8 April 2008 - Visits Leonor Cipriano in Odemira Prison and has discussions with the Prison Governor there.
October 2008 - Dramatically pops up in court to replace the lawyer representing the serial liar and murderess of her own daughter, Leonor Cipriano, currently serving a 16-year jail term for murder, in her claim that a confession was beaten out of her by Gonçalo Amaral and his four detectives. The original claim against Mr Amaral had been made in 2006 by other lawyers but was now, suddenly, being handled by Marcos Aragão Correia.
November 2008 - Admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
I shall not bother to answer much of that John. So much is biased and untrue
But let's look at the last one.
Marcos and his clients, Ana and her hubby ... who Amaral had threatened over the phone ... arrive at the harbour and stop to watch a forework display . They are lighting up and watching with Marcos sitting in the car ... and Amarals party come out of a restaurant to watch the fireworks as well. A big group on the pavement, at his 50th bash. They spot Ana and her hubby and Marcos. They come over to the car, threatening him and trying to pull him thru the window.
Are you suggesting that Marcos and Anas hubbie started it and were taking on that big gang?
Amaral kept back out of dangers wayas he always does. Wonder if he had his diamond earring in?
An endangerd Marcos and clients drove off to the police station to report the very nasty incident
Now, John, I notice that you have left out of the list the latest Court case between Amaral and Marcos. Why is that?
Is it because Marcos and the other guy (?)Dore won the case hands down? Amaral AGAIN got it wrong. Amaral lost.
No wonder he (and all Amaral worshippers) hates Marcos Aragao Correia. Marcos keeps beating him.
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I notice you have totally avoided the main issues Sadie. Marcos Aragão Correia, a proven liar and self acclaimed psychic medium who had a story for every occasion. Remind me what was his last fairy tale about the Arade Dam?
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As to Correia, he is a pure fantasist, and no more.
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Marcos Aragoa Correia supported by Amnesty International?
So who's going to call them a bunch of liars? I'm holding out the plate - please do step up
Oh dear! you can't even get that right.
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Marcos Aragoa Correia supported by Amnesty International?
So who's going to call them a bunch of liars? I'm holding out the plate - please do step up
Some people love to believe fantasists.
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Well this should put some things straight.
I look forward to reading all the cherry picking and watching all the bobbing and weaving.
7 July 2012
Thanks to Ines for translation
This Tuesday, Faro Court acquitted Aragão Correia, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer – the mother of the girl who disappeared from the Algarve in 2004 -, as well as professor António Pedro Dores, of having defamed the ex-PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral.
Gonçalo Amaral
Aragão Correia and the president of the Association Agaist Exclusion for Development (ACED), António Pedro Dores, were accused of having defamed the ex–inspector, who almost eight years ago investigated the disappearance of Joana, Leonor Cipriano's daughter.
In the summing up, the judge stated that the necessary conditions had not been met in order to even consider the legal possibility of sentencing António Pedro Dores, president of ACED, who published the "Report On the Torture of Leonor Cipriano Perpetrated by the Policía Judiciaria", the subject of the law suit brought by Gonçalo Amaral.
As regards Marcos Aragão Correia, the acquittal confirmed his compliance with the civil duty of denouncing acts of torture, an obligation of every citizen, and, on the other hand gave as proven that Leonor Cipriano's lawyer was convinced that Gonçalo Amaral was even a participant in the acts of torture against Joana's mother.
Upon learning of the acts committed against Leonor Cipriano – whose existence, already the subject of an independent judgement, was not questioned by the court – by means of a conservation with his client, Aragão Correia was convinced of the truthfulness of the version he heard, which, in the Court's understanding, annulled the seriousness of its publication.
However, based upon the witness statements heard – including that of Leonor Cipriano - the Court did not admit as proven that Gonçalo Amaral had been present at the acts of torture nor that he had coordinated the team which inflicted them.
Nevertheless, the judgement alleged that Aragão Correia knew that publicly attributing those acts to someone could constitute material "that was damaging to his honour and dignity", however he did this in the conviction that Leonor had told him the truth.
In 2009, Gonçalo Amaral was sentenced to a one and a half year suspended sentence for making a false statement in the trial of the ex–PJ inspectors and officers, accused of torturing Joana's mother.
The ex–inspector considers that the ACED report was "damaging to his honour and personal and professional considerations", which is why he decided to bring a complaint for defamation against Aragão Correia and the president of the association.
The Public Ministry requested the acquittal of both men, alleging that this was not a case of defamation, as all evidence pointed to the existence of torture, in spite of the fact that it has never been proven exactly who was responsible.
Heard as a witness during the final sessions of the trial, Leonor described that the inspectors placed a bag over her head, beat her all over her body and hit her with a phone book and a hard cardboard object.
Allegedly, the acts of aggression took place after she had been forced to kneel on two glass ashtrays, which according to her, had been supplied by Gonçalo Amaral himself.
Leonor and the missing girl's uncle, João Cipriano, were sentenced in November 2004 to 20 years and four months and to 19 years and two months imprisonment respectively, for the crimes of qualified homicide and hiding of a body.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id398.html
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Well this should put some things straight.
I look forward to reading all the cherry picking and watching all the bobbing and weaving.
7 July 2012
Thanks to Ines for translation
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However, based upon the witness statements heard – including that of Leonor Cipriano - the Court did not admit as proven that Gonçalo Amaral had been present at the acts of torture nor that he had coordinated the team which inflicted them.
Nevertheless, the judgement alleged that Aragão Correia knew that publicly attributing those acts to someone could constitute material "that was damaging to his honour and dignity", however he did this in the conviction that Leonor had told him the truth.
In 2009, Gonçalo Amaral was sentenced to a one and a half year suspended sentence for making a false statement in the trial of the ex–PJ inspectors and officers, accused of torturing Joana's mother.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id398.html
Wow, so not quite as straight forward as some would have us believe tehn?
Thanks for the link Esty, it really shines a whole new light on it!
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Wow, so not quite as straight forward as some would have us believe tehn?
Thanks for the link Esty, it really shines a whole new light on it!
Why does it shine a whole new light on it?
We all know that amaral was convicted only of covering up the torture.......the court accepted that cipriano was tortured in police custody...there were no witnesses...how convenient...cipriano had a bag over her head so it was impossible to prove who assaulted her and who was present...the pj knew what they were doing
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Why does it shine a whole new light on it?
We all know that amaral was convicted only of covering up the torture.......the court accepted that cipriano was tortured in police custody...there were no witnesses...how convenient...cipriano had a bag over her head so it was impossible to prove who assaulted her and who was present...the pj knew what they were doing
Well they had tortured before. Plenty of experience how to hide the culprits. This was, mainly anyhow, the terrorist branch, the DccB, brought in specially from Lisbon.
Amaral was head hioncho. He must have brought them in. If so, he is responsible.
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Why were the McCanns' private detectives giving Cipriano's lawyer money ?
... what did that have to do with finding Madeleine ?
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Why were the McCanns' private detectives giving Cipriano's lawyer money ?
... what did that have to do with finding Madeleine ?
Try and remember the time scale Icabod.
Not Rocket science ya know
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Try and remember the time scale Icabod.
Not Rocket science ya know
Why did the McCann's private detectives give Cipriano's lawyer money ?
How was that supposed to help them find Madeleine ?
It's a simple question
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Why did the McCann's private detectives give Cipriano's lawyer money ?
How was that supposed to help them find Madeleine ?
It's a simple question
I dont know, do you?
I am not privvy to their private thoughts, are you?
Am off to bed now Icabod
Nigh night
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I dont know, do you?
I am not privvy to their private thoughts, are you?
Am off to bed now Icabod
Nigh night
No, I don't know, that's why I'm asking the question
It's an important question, I think
... was Cipriano's lawyer paid from the Find Madeleine Fund ?
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A very important question !
His expenses were paid by Metado 3
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His expenses were paid by Metado 3
http://madeleinefoundation.org.uk/Marcos%20Correia%20outburst.html
But Metado 3 were paid from the Find Madeleine Fund
... and what does that mean ... 'his expenses' ?
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His expenses were paid by Metado 3
http://madeleinefoundation.org.uk/Marcos%20Correia%20outburst.html
Thank you Anna
There you have it, Icabod
His EXPENSES were paid by Metado 3
EXPENSES < nothing about salary !
Expenses usually means any money needed that is not salary or remuneration.
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Thank you Anna
There you have it, Icabod
His EXPENSES were paid by Metado 3
EXPENSES < nothing about salary !
Expenses usually means any money needed that is not salary or remuneration.
But what was this fellow doing for Metado 3 that incurred 'expenses' ?
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But what was this fellow doing for Metado 3 that incurred 'expenses' ?
He had divers dragging a lake in search for Maddie at something like £1000 per day and Mecado offered to help with expenses
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Thank you Anna
There you have it, Icabod
His EXPENSES were paid by Metado 3
EXPENSES < nothing about salary !
Expenses usually means any money needed that is not salary or remuneration.
i.e. the funds/expenses come from the mccanns.
Enough said.
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i.e. the funds/expenses come from the mccanns.
Enough said.
because the mccanns were not criminally involved in Maddies disappearance and there is therefore no real evidence, you have to find anything to try and criticise them...like clutching at straws and trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel at the same time
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because the mccanns were not criminally involved in Maddies disappearance and there is therefore no real evidence, you have to find anything to try and criticise them...like clutching at straws and trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel at the same time
Let's try again davel. EVEN FOR YOU IT SHOULD BE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
The mccanns have yet to be charged with any crime.
You do not know whether the mccanns were involved or not.
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Amaral lost . Obviously that judge didn't agree with him
It appears to me that the judge upheld the law.
Dr Amaral was not found to be culpable in any torture or the orchestration of it.
Sr Correia was not guilty of defamation because he was able to demonstrate he had been misled by his client (sound lawyer get out)
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It appears to me that the judge upheld the law.
Dr Amaral was not found to be culpable in any torture or the orchestration of of it.
Sr Correia was not guilty of defamation because he was able to demonstrate he had been misled by his client (sound lawyer get out)
Indeed he did.
As I have said before, it also highlights just how difficult it is to prove libel in Portugal.
Again mccanns and supporters, take note.
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It appears to me that the judge upheld the law.
Dr Amaral was not found to be culpable in any torture or the orchestration of of it.
Sr Correia was not guilty of defamation because he was able to demonstrate he had been misled by his client (sound lawyer get out)
Amaral brought a case of defamation..he lost...whichever way you spin it...not particularly important but let's have the truth
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Amaral brought a case of defamation..he lost...whichever way you spin it...not particularly important but let's have the truth
How true 8(0(*
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Amaral brought a case of defamation..he lost...whichever way you spin it...not particularly important but let's have the truth
Did I actually say differently?
The important part is that the judge upheld the law in a country which, according to some posters on here, has a judiciary which is as bent as a dockers hook.
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Did I actually say differently?
The important part is that the judge upheld the law in a country which, according to some posters on here, has a judiciary which is as bent as a dockers hook.
When a Portuguese poster says in 35 years he has never seen a successful appeal...sounds a bit strange....PJ seem to figure highly on amnesty torture site...these are two facts..not opinons
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How true 8(0(*
it isn't particularly important...neither is thr attempted assassination of the lawyer on this thread.There are afr more important things.....for one...lets hope SY are allowed to carry out their investigations
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When a Portuguese poster says in 35 years he has never seen a successful appeal...sounds a bit strange....PJ seem to figure highly on amnesty torture site...these are two facts..not opinons
You are more likely to be bitten by a shark after eating ice cream.
You are more likely to be bitten by a Labrador than any other type of dog.
Those are two facts...not opinions..
Correlation is not the same as causation.
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It appears to me that the judge upheld the law.
Dr Amaral was not found to be culpable in any torture or the orchestration of it.
No, but he was the Head Honcho.
All the above is in my opinion. but you tell me how else it could have been
The Judge was only considering perjury (lying) and Amaral was damned lucky that was all, imo. I would have charged him for other things
[...speculations bordering on libel removed ...]
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I think she has already shown courage in just posting here
And while were at it when are you going to Portugal to picket the Portuguese Government?
Courage ??? 8-)(--)
As to picketing, pray tell me why would I do that ?
Meanwhile your pretence of nrutrality, as always, is quite laughable.
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Well if she has the courage of her convictions, make them Portugal.
That's a pretty stupid thing to say...we all post from the comfort of our homes...its a barmy suggestion
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No, but he was the Head Honcho.
All the above is in my opinion. but you tell me how else it could have been
The Judge was only considering perjury (lying) and Amaral was damned lucky that was all, imo. I would have charged him for other things
[...speculations bordering on libel removed ...]
7 July 2012
Thanks to Ines for translation
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However, based upon the witness statements heard – including that of Leonor Cipriano - the Court did not admit as proven that Gonçalo Amaral had been present at the acts of torture nor that he had coordinated the team which inflicted them.
Nevertheless, the judgement alleged that Aragão Correia knew that publicly attributing those acts to someone could constitute material "that was damaging to his honour and dignity", however he did this in the conviction that Leonor had told him the truth.
This is what the court said. Until someone appeals the judgement and the appeal upheld this will stand. It matters not what you, I, Uncle Tom Cobley and a few more others think
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7 July 2012
Thanks to Ines for translation
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However, based upon the witness statements heard – including that of Leonor Cipriano - the Court did not admit as proven that Gonçalo Amaral had been present at the acts of torture nor that he had coordinated the team which inflicted them.
Nevertheless, the judgement alleged that Aragão Correia knew that publicly attributing those acts to someone could constitute material "that was damaging to his honour and dignity", however he did this in the conviction that Leonor had told him the truth.
This is what the court said. Until someone appeals the judgement and the appeal upheld this will stand. It matters not what you, I, Uncle Tom Cobley and a few more others think
And being as this is Portugal, where somebody in the past few days said that no appeal in, was it 35 years?, had been allowed ,
... seems it matters not what you, I, Uncle Tom Cobley and a few more others think.
In other words, let the ordinary fair person get stuffed. We the Fascist leaders [the eltes]are in control.
Is PT under Illuminatii total control yet? Seems like it
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Why, she is effectively accusing him of 'setting up torture;.
That's pure libel, isn't it davel ?
You are fond of accusing others of that. 8)-)))
You have to understand the difference between opinion and stating things as fact, Stephen
Everything I say is in my opinion ... but is based upon the fact that Amaral was Head Honcho. He led. He organised. He oversaw everything .,.. or should have done.
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You have to understand the difference between opinion and stating things as fact, Stephen
Everything I say is in my opinion ... but is based upon the fact that Amaral was Head Honcho. He led. He organised. He oversaw everything .,.. or should have done.
So are you accusing Amaral of organizing torture, yes or no ?
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John's summary:
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3].
John seems to have found something to indicate that M3 denied funding Marcos, but he hasn't posted the sources.
Could you provide some kind of reliable source about this, John? What, if any, these expenses actually concerned? He might well have been paid expenses to be interviewed by the PIs to check if he had any knowledge of what may have happened to her. I don't see a problem with that. Is there anything verifiable beyond that? It may even be possible that costs were paid to check the lake. I wouldn't have a problem with that either (if ever that was the case). The hunt for little April was massive and if the police hadn't explored that possibility, there may have been a missed lead.
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Indeed he did.
As I have said before, it also highlights just how difficult it is to prove libel in Portugal.
Again mccanns and supporters, take note.
of course even though amaral has been found not guilty it doesn't mean he is innocent
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You have to understand the difference between opinion and stating things as fact, Stephen
Everything I say is in my opinion ... but is based upon the fact that Amaral was Head Honcho. He led. He organised. He oversaw everything .,.. or should have done.
Your opinion does not entitle you to defame Gonçalo Amaral. If you still don't comprehend the meaning of the term libel by now I suggest you read up on it.
In fact, now that you have been muted I suggest you take the time to do so. 8(0(*
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Is it reasonable to wonder if Metado 3 directed Marcos Aragao Correia to involve himself in the Cipriano case ?
Is that a reasonable conjecture to make ?
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Is it reasonable to wonder if Metado 3 directed Marcos Aragao Correia to involve himself in the Cipriano case ?
Is that a reasonable conjecture to make ?
Correia talked of Amaral being his target after the PJ trial had been concluded and Amaral was left with a criminal conviction. One can merely guess who if anyone he was working for. However, it is fact that Marcos Correia and Metodo 3 had a close working relationship and both hated Goncalo Amaral.
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Correia talked of Amaral being his target after the PJ trial had been concluded and Amaral was left with a criminal conviction. One can merely guess who if anyone he was working for. However, it is fact that Marcos Correia and Metodo 3 had a close working relationship and both hated Goncalo Amaral.
Do you know the reasons for that?
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of course even though amaral has been found not guilty it doesn't mean he is innocent
You need to make up your mind how you want to use that argument and its reciprocal as it were.
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You need to make up your mind how you want to use that argument and its reciprocal as it were.
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it's 100% true...what's your problem with it
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Where does the court say there is no evidence...where do I say there appears to be....you have made both these statements up...do you have a problem with the truth
I don't; but you appear to work on the ethos of mine enemy's enemy must be my friend.
Amaral bad! no say good thing about Amaral! Amaral bad! McCann propaganda say Amaral bad; davel McCann friend
Amaral bad!
Forgive the simplistic syntax but your attitude toward Dr Amaral deserves it. When will you realise that in terms of the Madeleine McCann case Dr Amaral is yesterdays news apart from a postponed libel trial which has no bearing on the fate of the child or any offence which may or may not have been committed against her.
Mai vraiment, mon ami, vous etes comme une lampe du Toc H
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what have I stated that isn't true...you don't understand what is and isn't true
No davel, I know what is true and what isn't.
I also know exactly what your motives are and what you represent. Make no mistake on that.
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I don't; but you appear to work on the ethos of mine enemy's enemy must be my friend.
Amaral bad! no say good thing about Amaral! Amaral bad! McCann propaganda say Amaral bad; davel McCann friend
Amaral bad!
Forgive the simplistic syntax but your attitude toward Dr Amaral deserves it. When will you realise that in terms of the Madeleine McCann case Dr Amaral is yesterdays news apart from a postponed libel trial which has no bearing on the fate of the child or any offence which may or may not have been committed against her.
Mai vraiment, mon ami, vous etes comme une lampe du Toc H
I like to live my life by the motto "My enemy's enemy is my friend."
Unfortunately, as it turns out, my enemy is his own worst enemy.
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I don't; but you appear to work on the ethos of mine enemy's enemy must be my friend.
Amaral bad! no say good thing about Amaral! Amaral bad! McCann propaganda say Amaral bad; davel McCann friend
Amaral bad!
Forgive the simplistic syntax but your attitude toward Dr Amaral deserves it. When will you realise that in terms of the Madeleine McCann case Dr Amaral is yesterdays news apart from a postponed libel trial which has no bearing on the fate of the child or any offence which may or may not have been committed against her.
Mai vraiment, mon ami, vous etes comme une lampe du Toc H
you were the one who made a post saying amaral had been found not guilty of torture...I correctly pointed out that he had not been declared innocent...both you and Stephen cannot understand logic or the law
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you were the one who made a post saying amaral had been found not guilty of torture...I correctly pointed out that he had not been declared innocent...both you and Stephen cannot understand logic or the law
Dear oh dear.
Like I said, your motives are crystal clear.
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you really are having problems keeping up...you introduced the mcccanns to this thread at post 93...I have simply replied to you
I know what I did davel, now answer the questions.
As to Correia, a rather nasty and unpleasant piece of work, don't you agree davel ?
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I know what I did davel, now answer the questions.
As to Correia, a rather nasty and unpleasant piece of work, don't you agree davel ?
So you accept that it was you who introduced the mccanns to the thread.....I've seen nothing to suggest hes an unpleasant person...lots of gossip...but how much is true
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A brief insight into the life of Marcos Aragão Correia
1975 - Born: Madeira.
2000? - Aged 25, sets up legal practice in Madeira claiming he ‘specialises in human rights’ cases.
2001? - He sets himself up as head of a ‘Human Rights Association’, ACED, widely regarded as a self-promotional ‘joke’ in Portugal, and which has a track record of making outrageous legal claims.
2004? - Co-founds right-wing, nationalist, political party, which as yet has little popular support and no MPs or Councillors. That party has taken into membership a number of people with neo-Nazi ideology, some of them who have served prison sentences for their crimes.
3 May 2007 - Madeleine McCann reported missing.
5 May 2007 - He now claims that on this day, two days after Madeleine was reported missing, he attended a spiritualist church on Madeira for the first time, and on returning home, sometime before midnight, had a vision in which he learnt that Madeleine had been raped by paedophiles and killed (see also below). NOTE: We do not accept this account as truthful. He had previously claimed that ‘underworld sources’ had told him about Madeleine having been abducted, raped and killed (see next item)
6 May 2007 - This is the day Marcos Aragão Correia had previously claimed that his underworld sources told him that Madeleine McCann had been raped and killed and her body thrown into a ‘murky lake’. He later admitted that this had been a lie.
9 May 2007 - He claimed that on this day he told the Portuguese Police what the underworld sources had told him about Madeleine being killed. He says the PJ ignored him.
21 June 2007 - Aragão Correia organises a release of yellow balloons on Madeira in support of the McCanns’ claims that Madeleine had been abducted. This is the first clear sign that he was actively supporting the McCanns’ campaign.
June to November 2007 - There is no information about his actions during this period, except claiming that he sent a recorded delivery letter to the McCanns (see below). Other evidence (see below) suggests that by September 2007, or soon afterwards, he was probably in touch with private detectives from Método 3, negotiating a lucrative financial deal with them, on behalf of the McCanns, to (a) arrange searches of the Arade Dam (see below) and (b) to represent child murderess and serial liar Leonor Cipriano in a set of legal proceedings primarily intended to target Gonçalo Amaral.
2 Oct 2007 - Claims to have sent a Recorded Delivery letter from Madeira to the McCanns in Rothley on that date, allegedly containing details of ‘vital clues and evidence’ in the case. He also says that he had earlier notified the Polícia Judiciária in Funchal (Madeira) about his concerns but got no reply.
17 Oct 2007 - Says he was notified that the Recorded Delivery letter never arrived to the McCanns, although allegedly the letter was ‘signed for’.
13 Nov 2007 - Mysteriously sues the Portuguese postal service (the Correios de Portugal - CTT) for allegedly failing to deliver this letter. He told the court that heard his claim: “They are controversial matters, because there is no material proof of them, but I assure you there is a high degree of credibility about them. I am fulfilling my duty as a Portuguese citizen to take my ideas to the right place. I took my ideas to the PJ in Funchal, but since they didn’t reply, I took them direct to the McCanns”. He says a CTT official falsely reported that the Recorded Delivery letter had been received. The judge dismissed Aragão Correia’s claim as unsubstantiated and ordered him to pay court costs of 100 euros (around £80). Source: Madeira Daily News, 13 Nov 2007.
10 Dec 2007 - Says that on this day, he personally visited the Arade Dam with Método 3 detectives. He says that on the same day, he also told the Portuguese Police about his theory that Madeleine’s body was probably lying in the Arade Dam, near the tower by the lake. He said he had reached this conclusion after carefully considering information he said he had received from ‘underworld sources’, who told him that Madeleine’s body was ‘in a murky lake, with a beach, near some trees’. Later, when questions were asked about his sources of information and why he hadn’t acted sooner, he changed his story to say that he had had a ‘supernatural indication’ or ‘vision’ of where Madeleine’s body might be (see below).
Dec 2007 - late Jan 2008 - Said Portuguese Police did ‘nothing’ to act on his ‘information’.
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3]. He was described in sections of the British press as ‘a Good Samaritan’ for apparently funding these searches out of his own pocket. The media were conveniently on hand to record the discovery of a 17-foot length of cord, which he said ‘could have been used to tie up Madeleine’. At the same time the head of the Portuguese Police publicly stated that in his opinion the McCanns were made arguidos ‘hastily’ by Gonçalo Amaral and his colleagues.
Mar 2008 - Further search of the dam, this time managing to find ‘two black plastic bags of bones’ in the lake. Once again, media were on hand to take photos of Dive Time divers, bags of bones etc. - there were lots of pictures of divers in black wet-suits in British media. Aragão Correia says he is ‘99% certain that Madeleine’s body will be found here’ in the Arade Dam.
These stories served a number of purposes, including:
(a) promoting the claim by the head of the Portuguese police that they had acted ‘hastily’ in making Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann suspects
(b) promoting the notion that the Portuguese police had been incompetent by (allegedly) deliberately ignoring the vital evidence of Mr Aragão Correia’s underworld sources that Madeleine had been killed and her body dumped at the bottom of a murky lake
(c) re-opening the possibility that Madeleine’s body being dumped in the Arade Dam tied in with the suspicious sighting of a woman transferring a young child to another car in the Silves area, the woman being said to look like Michaela Walczuch, Robert Murat’s girlfriend
(d) promoting the view that Dr Gerald and Kate McCann were not responsible for what happened to Madeleine. Aragão Correia said: “I don't believe Kate and Gerry did it. It could have been a single madman or a gang”.
Mar - October 2008 - Silence from Aragão Correia, apart from, in the background...
8 April 2008 - Visits Leonor Cipriano in Odemira Prison and has discussions with the Prison Governor there.
October 2008 - Dramatically pops up in court to replace the lawyer representing the serial liar and murderess of her own daughter, Leonor Cipriano, currently serving a 16-year jail term for murder, in her claim that a confession was beaten out of her by Gonçalo Amaral and his four detectives. The original claim against Mr Amaral had been made in 2006 by other lawyers but was now, suddenly, being handled by Marcos Aragão Correia.
November 2008 - Admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
so how much of this can be substantiated
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John's summary:
Jan 2008 - Says that he paid British divers from Dive Time, Lagos, Algarve to search one part of the Arade Dam at a cost of at least £1,200 a day. He says he did this out of the goodness of his own heart, but he later conceded that Método 3 paid him ‘expenses’ [denied by Método 3].
John seems to have found something to indicate that M3 denied funding Marcos, but he hasn't posted the sources.
Could you provide some kind of reliable source about this, John? What, if any, these expenses actually concerned? He might well have been paid expenses to be interviewed by the PIs to check if he had any knowledge of what may have happened to her. I don't see a problem with that. Is there anything verifiable beyond that? It may even be possible that costs were paid to check the lake. I wouldn't have a problem with that either (if ever that was the case). The hunt for little April was massive and if the police hadn't explored that possibility, there may have been a missed lead.
Marcos Correia had initially claimed that he was a ‘Good Samaritan’, funding searches of the dam, costing £1,200 a day, out of his pocket. Under questioning, he later admitted that Metodo 3 had paid him ‘expenses’ for the searches. It thus appeared that the divers were funded not by Mr Correia, but by Metodo 3, who were in turn funded by the McCanns. His claim to be a Good Samaritan was exposed as yet another of Mr Correia’s lies, but, just as important, it raised these questions:
Was Marcos Correia paid more than just ‘expenses’ for his Arade Dam searches? – and
Did the McCann Team authorise payment to be made to Mr Correia to carry out those searches?
At the time of the second search of the Arade Dam, one newspaper reported the McCanns as being ‘furious’. It claimed: “Kate and Gerry McCann reacted with fury yesterday after divers began a second search of a reservoir for Madeleine's body. The couple told friends that the search - funded by a Portuguese lawyer who they claim is a ‘fantasist’ seeking publicity - is a distraction from the hunt”.
The report continued: “Marcos Aragão Correia claims crime contacts told him she was killed and left in the lake two days after going missing. Correia spent thousands of pounds on a previous search but found nothing. But a McCann source said: ‘There's no evidence Madeleine is in that reservoir. They believe she is alive and are concentrating on finding her’.”
It is conceded by the McCanns that Método 3 were acting for them from September 2007.
We have also established that Método 3 was in contact with Marcos Correia by 10 December 2007, when their detectives met him at the Arade Dam.
We know that Método 3 paid at least expenses to Marcos Correia for the Arade dam searches.
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Marcos Correia had initially claimed that he was a ‘Good Samaritan’, funding searches of the dam, costing £1,200 a day, out of his pocket. Under questioning, he later admitted that Metodo 3 had paid him ‘expenses’ for the searches. It thus appeared that the divers were funded not by Mr Correia, but by Metodo 3, who were in turn funded by the McCanns. His claim to be a Good Samaritan was exposed as yet another of Mr Correia’s lies, but, just as important, it raised these questions:
Was Marcos Correia paid more than just ‘expenses’ for his Arade Dam searches? – and
Did the McCann Team authorise payment to be made to Mr Correia to carry out those searches?
At the time of the second search of the Arade Dam, one newspaper reported the McCanns as being ‘furious’. It claimed: “Kate and Gerry McCann reacted with fury yesterday after divers began a second search of a reservoir for Madeleine's body. The couple told friends that the search - funded by a Portuguese lawyer who they claim is a ‘fantasist’ seeking publicity - is a distraction from the hunt”.
The report continued: “Marcos Aragão Correia claims crime contacts told him she was killed and left in the lake two days after going missing. Correia spent thousands of pounds on a previous search but found nothing. But a McCann source said: ‘There's no evidence Madeleine is in that reservoir. They believe she is alive and are concentrating on finding her’.”
It is conceded by the McCanns that Método 3 were acting for them from September 2007.
We have also established that Método 3 was in contact with Marcos Correia by 10 December 2007, when their detectives met him at the Arade Dam.
We know that Método 3 paid at least expenses to Marcos Correia for the Arade dam searches.
How much of what you are posting is true...you have been asked for sources and replied .."the internet"...what you are posting is internet gossip...but it doesn't matter because it isn't important
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How much of what you are posting is true...you have been asked for sources and replied .."the internet"...what you are posting is internet gossip...but it doesn't matter because it isn't important
AH YES, THE MCCANN MANTRA.
Deflect from the truth.
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AH YES, THE MCCANN MANTRA.
Deflect from the truth.
no just asking for the truth
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no just asking for the truth
You got the truth.
That's the trouble with the mccanns and associates.
You can't always bend the truth to suit your purposes.
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You got the truth.
That's the trouble with the mccanns and associates.
You can't always bend the truth to suit your purposes.
all these accusationsd against the lawyer are internet gossip...but to you the truth...that's shows what you are
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all these accusationsd against the lawyer are internet gossip...but to you the truth...that's shows what you are
A reply which from you is par for the course.
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A reply which from you is par for the course.
So no facts to back up the accusations...just gossip...
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So no facts to back up the accusations...just gossip...
Just par for the course mccann response.
So was Correia right about the lake davel ???
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How much of what you are posting is true...you have been asked for sources and replied .."the internet"...what you are posting is internet gossip...but it doesn't matter because it isn't important
Which bit are you disputing? The fact that Correia is a fantasist or that the McCanns weren't happy with his involvement?
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Which bit are you disputing? The fact that Correia is a fantasist or that the McCanns weren't happy with his involvement?
basically the whole lot....nothing you have posted is supported by any evidence apart from gossip on the net
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Having read the following
"of course even though amaral has been found not guilty it doesn't mean he is innocent "
This logic needs to be applied consistently, if this is what the poster believes.
applied to those cleared [ when they had not been arrested. charged, so nothing to be cleared from]
just because a legal eagle claims that there is no evidence to link you to any crime, that does not mean that you have not committed any crime.
Perhaps there is evidence, just not discovered..yet.
Quite right.
it's not just what I believe ..it is true and should be applied consistently...the fact amaral was not found guilty does not mean he is innocent it means there was insufficient evidence to convict...of course he may be innocent
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basically the whole lot....nothing you have posted is supported by any evidence apart from gossip on the net
Stop telling lies Dave. Correia is a self confessed medium/spiritualist who was shown to be a fantasist with his Madeleine claims. The McCanns couldn't do anything else other than distance themselves from his ramblings. Do read up on the facts dear boy.
Oh nearly forgot, he admitted that he was out to get Amaral, thing is though, who paid him?
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Stop telling lies Dave. Correia is a self confessed medium/spiritualist who was shown to be a fantasist with his Madeleine claims. The McCanns couldn't do anything else other than distance themselves from his ramblings. Do read up on the facts dear boy.
Oh nearly forgot, he admitted that he was out to get Amaral, thing is though, who paid him?
I'm not telling lies ...where's the evidence to support all these allegations
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Because Stephen...for me to believe something I have to see all the evidence and then I make a judgement....where is the evidence to support what you are claiming
How do you know if you have seen all the evidence?
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How do you know if you have seen all the evidence?
I haven't seen any evidence
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I haven't seen any evidence
According to what you have just said, that means you don't believe anything.
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According to what you have just said, that means you don't believe anything.
Your post doesn't make sense. I believe lots of things because I have seen the evidence...
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Your post doesn't make sense. I believe lots of things because I have seen the evidence...
But you said that you only believe something when you have seen all the evidence, then you said you haven't seen any evidence, so how can you believe?.
And how can you be know when you have seen all the evidence ?
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I don't answer any of my posts...the braindead do it for me...thanks for the answer
Don't worry davel, posters on here already know who is brain dead. 8)-)))
You have so much in common with Acorah.
Meanwhile Correia is still a fantasist, who claims to be psychic.
Mmm.
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But you said that you only believe something when you have seen all the evidence, then you said you haven't seen any evidence, so how can you believe?.
And how can you be know when you have seen all the evidence ?
Sorry ...all the available evidence...same thing
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Could you supply independent evidence to support your statement...the answer is no
The question is, why won't you accept the truth ?
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The question is, why won't you accept the truth ?
I do accept the truth,,,the truth is backed by evidence... I don't accept gossip as you do...which is what John has stated and you have accepted as the truth
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I do accept the truth,,,the truth is backed by evidence... I don't accept gossip as you do...which is what John has stated and you have accepted as the truth
No davel, not gossip.
Try as you might, you won't drown out this forum with your biased rubbish.
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still..after 13 hours no evidence..but Stephen has swallowed it hook ,line and sinker
You support a liar, psychic and fantacist.
Enough said. ?>)()<
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You support a liar, psychic and fantacist.
Enough said. ?>)()<
not enough said...in 13 hours not one piece of evidence and until you supply that evidence he is INNOCENT
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not enough said...in 13 hours not one piece of evidence and until you supply that evidence he is INNOCENT
Let me get this straight...
If I say Sadie or even you are astute posters, you wouldn't believe me unless I could show you proof?
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Let me get this straight...
If I say Sadie or even you are astute posters, you wouldn't believe me unless I could show you proof?
I take it this is a hypothetical case and not reality?
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Let me get this straight...
If I say Sadie or even you are astute posters, you wouldn't believe me unless I could show you proof?
You would be stating your opinion...the evidence would be the standard of their posts...that's what would make me believe it or not
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' De: Marcos Aragão Correia - Advogado [Advocate/Lawyer]
Data: 1 de Janeiro de 2012 - 17:06hrs
Assunto: Urgent - Torture against Leonor Cipriano by the Portuguese State
Dear ***** *******,
I want to inform Amnesty International that I'm being a victim of illegal and brutal persecution by the Portuguese State. '
From the horse's mouth.
...........and there's more
“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me, that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
Marcos Correia said on the record that Método 3 themselves, acting on behalf of the McCanns, had asked him to get involved in the Joana Cipriano case. He went on to claim that the McCanns, via Método 3, had “ordered him to do an investigation”into allegations regarding the accusations against Gonçalo Amaral and his men by Leonor Cipriano.
and there is so much more.
P.S. He clams to have 'extra-terrestrial informants', presumably davel orbiting the sun somewhere inbetween the orbits of Earth and Mars. 8)--))
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' De: Marcos Aragão Correia - Advogado [Advocate/Lawyer]
Data: 1 de Janeiro de 2012 - 17:06hrs
Assunto: Urgent - Torture against Leonor Cipriano by the Portuguese State
Dear ***** *******,
I want to inform Amnesty International that I'm being a victim of illegal and brutal persecution by the Portuguese State. '
From the horse's mouth.
...........and there's more
“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me, that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
Marcos Correia said on the record that Método 3 themselves, acting on behalf of the McCanns, had asked him to get involved in the Joana Cipriano case. He went on to claim that the McCanns, via Método 3, had “ordered him to do an investigation”into allegations regarding the accusations against Gonçalo Amaral and his men by Leonor Cipriano.
and there is so much more.
P.S. He clams to have 'extra-terrestrial informants', presumably davel orbiting the sun somewhere inbetween the orbits of Earth and Mars. 8)--))
lets start to pick this apart...where is the source for the red highlight
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lets start to pick this apart...where is the source for the red highlight
Prove me wrong. 8)--))
ALL OF IT.
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Prove me wrong. 8)--))
ALL OF IT.
Thank you for proving me right...you make accusations but have no evidence to support them....until you can your accusations are just gossip and you cannot claim them to be true
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Thank you for proving me right...you make accusations but have no evidence to support them....until you can your accusations are just gossip and you cannot claim them to be true
No davel. The quotations are from Correia himself, readily available on the internet.
Search yourself, if you are capable of course, whichj I truly doubt.
You do realize of course, the more you defend this man, the more it ties you with the mccanns ?
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No davel. The quotations are from Correia himself, readily available on the internet.
Search yourself, if you are capable of course, whichj I truly doubt.
You do realize of course, the more you defend this man, the more it ties you with the mccanns ?
You seem to be a bit slow...where in any of my posts have I defended him? You still have supplied no proof...just asking me to find it myself
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You seem to be a bit slow...where in any of my posts have I defended him? You still have supplied no proof...just asking me to find it myself
The proof is on the internet.
Why are you scared of the truth ?
...and yes, you are defending this oddball, oddball of course is being very polite.
Perhaps you can get ferryman to help you on this. 8((()*/
Back later.
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The proof is on the internet.
Why are you scared of the truth ?
...and yes, you are defending this oddball, oddball of course is being very polite.
I have not defended him...you don't seem to understand the written word... I welcome the truth...but how do you know what is the truth..only by looking at the evidence.
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it is now 24 hrs and there has not been one iota of evidence to support the allegations against the lawyer...therefore the allegations are nothing but internet gossip
Your logic here is well and truly flawed.
The introduction of a time span as above implies that because it has not been forthcoming within that time span it cannot exist.
That is manifestly bollocks.
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I have not defended him...you don't seem to understand the written word... I welcome the truth...but how do you know what is the truth..only by looking at the evidence.
Right, as a distraction from the hoovering, I'll look for some evidence for you for one of the points. Is there one in particular you want back up cites for?
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I have not defended him...you don't seem to understand the written word... I welcome the truth...but how do you know what is the truth..only by looking at the evidence.
And even then you can't be sure its true. People believe what they want to believe. and you will be no exception.
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Some light bedtime reading.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/leonors-lawyer-received-money-from.html
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Some light bedtime reading.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/leonors-lawyer-received-money-from.html
I'll get on with the vacuuming then 8)><(
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Right, as a distraction from the hoovering, I'll look for some evidence for you for one of the points. Is there one in particular you want back up cites for?
Ok lets start with.......2001? - He sets himself up as head of a ‘Human Rights Association’, ACED, widely regarded as a self-promotional ‘joke’ in Portugal, and which has a track record of making outrageous legal claims.
Could you provide any evidence that ACED is widely regarded as a self promotional joke and has a track record of making outrageous legal claims
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Some light bedtime reading.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/leonors-lawyer-received-money-from.html
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So the sources for your evidence are the Morais site....morais is a raving amaral supporter who hates the McCanns...and an article in 24 Horas which is the Portuguese equivalent of the daily star...
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So the sources for your evidence are the Morais site....morais is a raving amaral supporter who hates the McCanns...and an article in 24 Horas which is the Portuguese equivalent of the daily star...
As I've noticed before, you are very selective about which 'evidence' you are prepared to consider - hardly an objective approach.
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As I've noticed before, you are very selective about which 'evidence' you are prepared to consider - hardly an objective approach.
you would agree that the Morais site is not objective so how can the evidence on there be objective
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you would agree that the Morais site is not objective so how can the evidence on there be objective
I've not said so.
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As I have observed before Davel is very much of the "Four legs good two legs bad" school of thought.
As you say Jassi very selective.
Or to write it on a sign and smack everyone round the head with it lest I be accused again of being imprecise.
Davel seems incapable of countenancing anything which may be construed as being critical of the McCanns and equally incapable of of countenancing anything which may be construed as being supportive of Dr Amaral.
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You would be stating your opinion...the evidence would be the standard of their posts...that's what would make me believe it or not
Yup, so...
“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me, that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
Is evidence that he is not living in the real world.
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So davey boy, let's here some rational and coherent responses.
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Yup, so...
Is evidence that he is not living in the real world.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake.
I thought I had a sick mind....
All I theorised was 'chucking her in the bin' which doesn't even come close to 'brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake'
What worries me is, whereas I know I'm clinically insane, this guy probably thinks he's normal.
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As I have observed before Davel is very much of the "Four legs good two legs bad" school of thought.
As you say Jassi very selective.
Or to write it on a sign and smack everyone round the head with it lest I be accused again of being imprecise.
Davel seems incapable of countenancing anything which may be construed as being critical of the McCanns and equally incapable of of countenancing anything which may be construed as being supportive of Dr Amaral.
you do like to TRY and sound clever don't you...you may impress the uneducated but you do not impress me...
what your post is accusing me of is bias....something I could easily accuse everyone on this forum as being...with the exception of Sherlock Holmes who follows the Middle Way
Anyone who tries to deny that morais is biased...as you are doing ...is clearly deluded and very much of the four legs good two legs bad school of thought...now who said that
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So davey boy, let's here some rational and coherent responses.
As I said, estuarine's post would impress the uneducated...so are you totally unbiased Stephen...or of the two legs bad...four legs good school of thought
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Yup, so...
Is evidence that he is not living in the real world.
Read the post again...try and understand it...and you will see he had a dream. I am not a religious person myself but do not condemn all religious people as nutters...he seems to be a spiritualist and believes in life after death. probably half the worlds population believe the same
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Read the post again...try and understand it...and you will see he had a dream. I am not a religious person myself but do not condemn all religious people as nutters...he seems to be a spiritualist and believes in life after death. probably half the worlds population believe the same
'brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake'
That's a dream is it.
Sounds like a f*****g nightmare to me.
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As I have observed before Davel is very much of the "Four legs good two legs bad" school of thought.
As you say Jassi very selective.
Or to write it on a sign and smack everyone round the head with it lest I be accused again of being imprecise.
Davel seems incapable of countenancing anything which may be construed as being critical of the McCanns and equally incapable of of countenancing anything which may be construed as being supportive of Dr Amaral.
it may have passed you by but the mccanns have not even been arrested nevermind found guilty of any criminal offence wheras amaral has.....so my opinions are based on sound evidence and therefore to a certain extent objective
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Read the post again...try and understand it...and you will see he had a dream. I am not a religious person myself but do not condemn all religious people as nutters...he seems to be a spiritualist and believes in life after death. probably half the worlds population believe the same
“On 5th May [the Saturday immediately after Madeleine was reported missing], on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life. I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing.
“Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me, that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
No dream there then.
He saw images, apparently, of a little girl being brutally raped & strangled then chucked into a lake.
Nice.
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you do like to TRY and sound clever don't you...you may impress the uneducated but you do not impress me...
what your post is accusing me of is bias....something I could easily accuse everyone on this forum as being...with the exception of Sherlock Holmes who follows the Middle Way
Anyone who tries to deny that morais is biased...as you are doing ...is clearly deluded and very much of the four legs good two legs bad school of thought...now who said that
In your opinion, davel, only in your opinion.
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Do you also believe he should provide evidence that communication with the dead exists before he is allowed to believe in spiritualism? Or does that stand point only apply to those who do not support the McCann abduction theory?
religious belief is a freedom enshrined in law
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In your opinion, davel, only in your opinion.
It is a fact that my posts would not be allowed on the morais forum because it does not believe in dissent
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It is a fact that my posts would not be allowed on the morais forum because it does not believe in dissent
Is that supposed to be justification for your opinion?
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Is that supposed to be justification for your opinion?
It shows the morais forum is biased unlike this one which allows views from both sides
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It shows the morais forum is biased unlike this one which allows views from both sides
I've come across a pink one rather like that.
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you do like to TRY and sound clever don't you...you may impress the uneducated but you do not impress me...
what your post is accusing me of is bias....something I could easily accuse everyone on this forum as being...with the exception of Sherlock Holmes who follows the Middle Way
Anyone who tries to deny that morais is biased...as you are doing ...is clearly deluded and very much of the four legs good two legs bad school of thought...now who said that
But you are totally biased. And you ravings on this latest post prove my point for me.
As for me trying to sound clever one does not have to try very hard to get the drop on you.
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I've come across a pink one rather like that.
I would agree with you. It's only estuarine who imagines that I am biased whilst everyone else on the forum is totally openminded. What he is proving is his OWN bias.
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But you are totally biased. And you ravings on this latest post prove my point for me.
As for me trying to sound clever one does not have to try very hard to get the drop on you.
I appear biased to you and other posters because I insist on things being evidenced based and the evidence doesn't point at the McCanns.....a fact confirmed by SY.
Has it passed you by that practically every poster on this forum has a bias...if you deny that you are showing yourself to be a fool...carry on and be my guest
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What I don't understand is why the McCanns' private detectives became involved with Marcos Correia at all
I mean, they were employed by the McCanns to follow the thesis that Madeleine was alive and findable ... were they not ?
So why did they pay the expenses of this man who purported that Madeleine had died in horrific circumstances based on nothing more than an grotesquely graphic vision/dream he had ?
Why did they pay attention to him at all ?
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What I don't understand is why the McCanns' private detectives became involved with Marcos Correia at all
I mean, they were employed by the McCanns to follow the thesis that Madeleine was alive and findable ... were they not ?
So why did they pay the expenses of this man who purported that Madeleine had died in horrific circumstances based on nothing more than an grotesquely graphic vision/dream he had ?
Why did they pay attention to him at all ?
Do you imagine that the MCcanns do not consider the possibility that Maddie is dead?
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What I don't understand is why the McCanns' private detectives became involved with Marcos Correia at all
I mean, they were employed by the McCanns to follow the thesis that Madeleine was alive and findable ... were they not ?
So why did they pay the expenses of this man who purported that Madeleine had died in horrific circumstances based on nothing more than an grotesquely graphic vision/dream he had ?
Why did they pay attention to him at all ?
Perhaps a case of ' the enemy of my enemy is my friend' ? 8(0(*
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Do you imagine that the MCcanns do not consider the possibility that Maddie is dead?
Do you imagine that the McCanns would consider the possibility that Madeleine is dead based on someone's 'vision' ?
Why was Marcos Correia's 'vision' that Madeleine had been murdered in horrific circumstances supported by the McCann private detectives ( and his 'expenses' paid accordingly )
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Do you imagine that the McCanns would consider the possibility that Madeleine is dead based on someone's 'vision' ?
Why was Marcos Correia's 'vision' that Madeleine had been murdered in horrific circumstances supported by the McCann private detectives ( and his 'expenses' paid accordingly )
I would say ' because it ideally suited the McCann's purpose to discredit Amaral '
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What I don't understand is why the McCanns' private detectives became involved with Marcos Correia at all
I mean, they were employed by the McCanns to follow the thesis that Madeleine was alive and findable ... were they not ?
So why did they pay the expenses of this man who purported that Madeleine had died in horrific circumstances based on nothing more than an grotesquely graphic vision/dream he had ?
Why did they pay attention to him at all ?
Two things here. Firstly, it was Método 3 who paid Correia. We also know that they in turn were being funded by Kennedy and/or the Madeleine Fund but we don't know at what stage, if at all, the McCanns personally authorized any payments to Correia. We do know the McCanns weren't at all happy with his involvement so take out of that what you may.
Remember too that Correua admitted that Madeleine’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Madeleine Fund in mainly following leads that placed the hypothesis that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to scrutinize the dam. That Correia offered to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam and later received much support (even financial) from mediums and spiritists who believed in and corroborated his theory.
Secondly, one has to remember that Correia initially claimed that underworld sources had told him that Madeleine's body could be found at the Arade Dam. He later changed this and claimed that the information came to him in a vision.
I don't have time at the moment but it would be extremely useful to have a timeline of events and who did what and when.
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Two things here. Firstly, it was Método 3 who paid Correia. We also know that they in turn were being funded by Kennedy and/or the Madeleine Fund but we don't know at what stage, if at all, the McCanns personally authorized any payments to Correia. We do know the McCanns weren't at all happy with his involvement so take out of that what you may.
Remember too that Correua admitted that Madeleine’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Madeleine Fund in mainly following leads that placed the hypothesis that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to scrutinize the dam. That Correia offered to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam and later received much support (even financial) from mediums and spiritists who believed in and corroborated his theory.
Secondly, one has to remember that Correia initially claimed that underworld sources had told him that Madeleine's body could be found at the Arade Dam. He later changed this and claimed that the information came to him in a vision.
I don't have time at the moment but it would be extremely useful to have a timeline of events and who did what and when.
Let's not forget his alien friends. 8)--))
Beam me up Scotty.
Maybe it is time for davel to split his infinitive.............
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Do you imagine that the McCanns would consider the possibility that Madeleine is dead based on someone's 'vision' ?
Why was Marcos Correia's 'vision' that Madeleine had been murdered in horrific circumstances supported by the McCann private detectives ( and his 'expenses' paid accordingly )
Did he have a vision or was it a tip off from the criminal underworld...theres a lot we don't know
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Let's not forget his alien friends. 8)--))
Beam me up Scotty.
Maybe it is time for davel to split his infinitive.............
I think you will find that the notion that Kirk ever said...beam me up scotty...is rubbish...a bit like your post
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I think you will find that the notion that Kirk ever said...beam me up scotty...is rubbish...a bit like your post
Play it again Sam. 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--))
I never knew that. >@@(*&)
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Does anyone have a direct link to an interview or reputable newspaper with the verbatim quote
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Does anyone have a direct link to an interview or reputable newspaper with the verbatim quote
I would think the 'daily sport' is right up your street.
Work out that one for yourself.
A clue, they come in two's. 8)--)) 8)--))
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I appear biased to you and other posters because I insist on things being evidenced based and the evidence doesn't point at the McCanns.....a fact confirmed by SY.
Has it passed you by that practically every poster on this forum has a bias...if you deny that you are showing yourself to be a fool...carry on and be my guest
Ah well we are back to the old "everyone in the world apart davel is a fool" argument. It becomes tedious. Do you not have the wit or imagination to try something else?
You were provided with evidence but because the source doesn't fit the Moonies line you reject it. That makes you look the idiot not me or other posters.
If I make myself look a fool in your eyes that's a result as far I am concerned. I would dislike intensely the thought of someone who exhibits your degree of bias and bad manners thinking I was OK.
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Ah well we are back to the old "everyone in the world apart davel is a fool" argument.
How is Dave's actual message: foolishness is manifested by failure to recognise that most posters have a bias reflected in your interpretation above?
Or have you confirmed what Dave didn't say?
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Ah well we are back to the old "everyone in the world apart davel is a fool" argument.
How is Dave's actual message: foolishness is manifested by failure to recognise that most posters have a bias reflected in your interpretation above?
Or have you confirmed what Dave didn't say?
..............or of course ferryman, it is people like you and davel who rampantly support the mccanns, cannot see the woods because of the trees ? 8)-)))
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Ah well we are back to the old "everyone in the world apart davel is a fool" argument. It becomes tedious. Do you not have the wit or imagination to try something else?
You were provided with evidence but because the source doesn't fit the Moonies line you reject it. That makes you look the idiot not me or other posters.
If I make myself look a fool in your eyes that's a result as far I am concerned. I would dislike intensely the thought of someone who exhibits your degree of bias and bad manners thinking I was OK.
You seem to want to make yourself look clever again and you aren't doing a very good job. have you really not noticed how polarised most posters on this forum are...perhaps its passed you by. Good to see John has started to correct some of the false claims.
You accuse me of bias and then supply a link to a site that is so biased in amarals favour it will not allow ANY dissenting voices...another own goal
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Ah well we are back to the old "everyone in the world apart davel is a fool" argument.
How is Dave's actual message: foolishness is manifested by failure to recognise that most posters have a bias reflected in your interpretation above?
Or have you confirmed what Dave didn't say?
I appear biased to you and other posters because I insist on things being evidenced based and the evidence doesn't point at the McCanns.....a fact confirmed by SY.
Has it passed you by that practically every poster on this forum has a bias...if you deny that you are showing yourself to be a fool...carry on and be my guest
Above is the message I answered so your question is unclear to me. Probably because as your mate says I am a fool 8(>((
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You seem to want to make yourself look clever again and you aren't doing a very good job. have you really not noticed how polarised most posters on this forum are...perhaps its passed you by. Good to see John has started to correct some of the false claims.
You accuse me of bias and then supply a link to a site that is so biased in amarals favour it will not allow ANY dissenting voices...another own goal
I try to look at all points of view and then introduce the evidence to see where it leads. The Morais site is biased towards but the articles which have been mentioned originate from interviews conducted directly with Correia. Maybe he was given information by underground sources, maybe he did have a vision. Whatever the truth is the information provided by Correia to Método 3 was useless, no remains were found in the Arade Dam or anywhere else for that matter.
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The bottom line remains Correia is not only a fruitcake and loose cannon.
He is an attention seeker and paid for by those working for the mccanns.
As to his visions, I would like to see that given as 'evidence' in court.
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The bottom line remains Correia is not only a fruitcake and loose cannon.
He is an attention seeker and paid for by those working for the mccanns.
As to his visions, I would like to see that given as 'evidence' in court.
I hope he is having a wonderful time in Brazil, he will be well placed for the football.
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I hope he is having a wonderful time in Brazil, he will be well placed for the football.
I'm sure he will. @)(++(*
Not long ago, Correia's supporters on here and elsewhere were saying he was back in Portugal, and were denying he had run off to Brazil.
Now there is a line from a certain Oscar Wilde play that springs to mind as regards Brazil. However, in this case the reverse way round. @)(++(*
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This is why Marcos Correia got involved. It's worth reading the whole interview actually, in my opinion the man's barking;
How did that premonition of yours about the Maddie case happen?
On the 5th of May, upon returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, right after going to bed, but before falling asleep, at around midnight, an extraordinary thing happened to me for the first time in my life: I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around 4 years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing… Then, other images appeared, related to what had happened to her: I saw a strongly built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me, that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn't read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn't seen any photo of Maddie before, I only knew, from what I'd heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old.
That individual that you describe, was he ever referred to within the PJ's investigation?
In fact, there were references about a strongly built individual of British appearance as a suspect. Still, as this was my first vision in my entire life, there was, on my side, a certain reluctance in divulging it. I let a few days pass, even to see whether or not the little girl showed up. Until I gave the lead to the PJ, on the 9th of May, but they never contacted me. Later on, an agent from the PJ in Portimão told me that the investigation's thesis was not based on abduction anymore. Then, I decided to carry out a private investigation: I went to continental Portugal, and visited the various lakes and dams of the Algarve, until I reached the Arade one which was the only one that precisely matched the scenery that I had seen in my vision. I decided to contact a senior official at Método 3, the detective agency that had been hired by the McCanns to investigate their daughter's disappearance. When I mentioned that the dam was located in Silves, I noticed that they were surprised and immediately wanted to speak with me.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id189.html
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I find it possible that M3 paid some expenses for divers searching the Arade dam at some point, and possibly paid Correia a fee to attempt to interview the Ciprianos to find out if they were aware of any kind of child trafficking going on that could offer a potential lead.
Anything beyond that seems extremely unlikely to me.
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I find it possible that M3 paid some expenses for divers searching the Arade dam at some point, and possibly paid Correia a fee to attempt to interview the Ciprianos to find out if they were aware of any kind of child trafficking going on that could offer a potential lead.
Anything beyond that seems extremely unlikely to me.
Who paid Metodo 3? It was a BS search with no foundation. There was a letter indicating the area of the other closest dam so they search the wrong one. Very interesting and another letter is found after this BS search indicating the same other dam location.
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Who paid Metodo 3? It was a BS search with no foundation. There was a letter indicating the area of the other closest dam so they search the wrong one. Very interesting and another letter is found after this BS search indicating the same other dam location.
It is my understanding that Marcos Aragao Coreia was financially assisted by a third party or should I say third parties. None of them to do with The Mccanns. Originally he was reported as having paid for the search himself, but he denied that and it was revealed that businesmen etc supported the costs.
I am doing this from memory ... and it has been a long time. Please correct me if I am wrong.
BTW, I have been to the Arade Dam, just for a quick look see, but couldn't see anything that inspired me.
The Barragem de Bravura is equi-distant from Pdl and Figueira where Jaona Cipriano went missing.
I dont think either of them ended up there. I think they are both alive.
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It is my understanding that Marcos Aragao Coreia was financially assisted by a third party or should I say third parties. None of them to do with The Mccanns. Originally he was reported as having paid for the search himself, but he denied that and it was revealed that businesmen etc supported the costs.
I am doing this from memory ... and it has been a long time. Please correct me if I am wrong.
BTW, I have been to the Arade Dam, just for a quick look see, but couldn't see anything that inspired me.
The Barragem de Bravura is equi-distant from Pdl and Figueira where Jaona Cipriano went missing.
I dont think either of them ended up there. I think they are both alive.
ANYTHING FOUND as a result of the searches being carried out by divers at the Arade dam near Silves will be given to Método 3, the Spanish private investigating company hired by the McCann family to help find Madeleine - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.dpuf
The divers’ search of the waters at the Arade Dam started on Monday in a private operation commissioned by the Madeira-based lawyer Marcos Aragão Correia and sponsored by a Portimão-based company named SPEC.
Who the hell are SPEC? Not short for Spectre. Send in 007 @)(++(*
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ANYTHING FOUND as a result of the searches being carried out by divers at the Arade dam near Silves will be given to Método 3, the Spanish private investigating company hired by the McCann family to help find Madeleine - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.dpuf
The divers’ search of the waters at the Arade Dam started on Monday in a private operation commissioned by the Madeira-based lawyer Marcos Aragão Correia and sponsored by a Portimão-based company named SPEC.
Who the hell are SPEC? Not short for Spectre. Send in 007 @)(++(*
Thanks for confirming Pfinder.
Yep, who the hell are SPEC ?
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Thanks for confirming Pfinder.
Yep, who the hell are SPEC ?
José Paias, one of the partners of SPEC, Lda, an engineering company based in Portimão which is sponsoring 50 per cent of the cost of the operation.
http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2008_03_10_archive.html
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry are grateful to anyone who feels they have important information in the search for Madeleine.
"If his search produces significant results he must, of course, share that information with both the police and our investigators."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512164/Divers-search-Madeleines-body-remote-reservoir-underworld-tip-off.html#ixzz3gqi7a69F
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SPEC = Sociedade Portuguesa de Engenharia e Construção
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&q=Sociedade+Portuguesa+de+Engenharia+e+Constru%C3%A7%C3%A3o&oq=Sociedade+Portuguesa+de+Engenharia+e+Constru%C3%A7%C3%A3o&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30l2.2325.2325.0.3088.1.1.0.0.0.0.132.132.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.1.132.CdYWVvzMvTQ
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SPEC = Sociedade Portuguesa de Engenharia e Construção
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&q=Sociedade+Portuguesa+de+Engenharia+e+Constru%C3%A7%C3%A3o&oq=Sociedade+Portuguesa+de+Engenharia+e+Constru%C3%A7%C3%A3o&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30l2.2325.2325.0.3088.1.1.0.0.0.0.132.132.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.1.132.CdYWVvzMvTQ
Thanks Pfinder. Well done for finding it.
I wonder if they will wipe my thankyou again?
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ANYTHING FOUND as a result of the searches being carried out by divers at the Arade dam near Silves will be given to Método 3, the Spanish private investigating company hired by the McCann family to help find Madeleine - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.dpuf
The divers’ search of the waters at the Arade Dam started on Monday in a private operation commissioned by the Madeira-based lawyer Marcos Aragão Correia and sponsored by a Portimão-based company named SPEC.
Who the hell are SPEC? Not short for Spectre. Send in 007 @)(++(*
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... and Marcos Aragão Correia has said that if Madeleine McCann’s body is found in the Arade dam, he will reveal all the information related to the tip-off that has led to the search.
http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.D9PY1W9s.dpuf
Despite the fact that no body was found in the dam ... I wonder if Marcos Aragão Correia has shared the tip-off he received with the present investigators from the PJ and SY.
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... and Marcos Aragão Correia has said that if Madeleine McCann’s body is found in the Arade dam, he will reveal all the information related to the tip-off that has led to the search.
http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.D9PY1W9s.dpuf
Despite the fact that no body was found in the dam ... I wonder if Marcos Aragão Correia has shared the tip-off he received with the present investigators from the PJ and SY.
Ah yes, good old Mr. Psychic himself.
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Ah yes, good old Mr. Psychic himself.
I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
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I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
He claimed to have psychic visions, which puts him on the same plane as Derek Acorah.
You could always ask Sam. ?{)(**
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... and Marcos Aragão Correia has said that if Madeleine McCann’s body is found in the Arade dam, he will reveal all the information related to the tip-off that has led to the search.
http://portugalresident.com/divers-search-for-madeleine-in-arade-dam#sthash.ul8hp9tJ.D9PY1W9s.dpuf
Despite the fact that no body was found in the dam ... I wonder if Marcos Aragão Correia has shared the tip-off he received with the present investigators from the PJ and SY.
He originally said that it was an underworld source, then it changed to some kind of psychic vision.
I'm agnostic about psychics. Some are scammers, others are genuinely convinced that they have paranormal powers. Perhaps one or two really do, who knows?
Investigators don't necessarily throw reports of "visions" in the vertical filing cabinet, because there's always the possibility that a perp or someone who actually does know something could be attempting to report it anonymously.
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I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
There's a section on him in the Summers and Swan book "Looking for Madeleine". Worth a read.
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There's a section on him in the Summers and Swan book "Looking for Madeleine". Worth a read.
Which is a rewrite of already existing knowledge.
Great book though. 8)--))
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I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
It was made up BS and another liar trying to confuse the case &%+((£ SY better get searching the other one and tracking suspect mobiles in that area for dates.
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It was made up BS and another liar trying to confuse the case &%+((£ SY better get searching the other one and tracking suspect mobiles in that area for dates.
With the imprimatur of Correio da Manha what could possibly be amiss 8**8:/: ???
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I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
Can you show your workings for the 50 50 chance?
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off to google "imprimatur"
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Which is a rewrite of already existing knowledge.
Great book though. 8)--))
Some of the content I already knew, but there were interesting details that I didn't.
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I believe he may have received information from a felon ... but however he came by it ... it proved to be erroneous ... leading one to wonder why there has been such a concerted effort to have it cemented into public consciousness that Madeleine McCann is dead when there is a 50~50 chance she is alive.
My thoughts exactly, Brietta
Too many Red Herrings pushing that Madeleine is either dead or hidden in PdL area.
False stuff designed to try and make people believe that PdL is the place to look. Wasting Police time and ensuring that nobody looks farther affield.
She was cleared out of PdL immediately ... of that I am pretty certain
There has been a concerted effort by an organised and practiced group to take the attention away from what actually happened to Madeleine, where she went etc. IMO
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He originally said that it was an underworld source, then it changed to some kind of psychic vision.
I'm agnostic about psychics. Some are scammers, others are genuinely convinced that they have paranormal powers. Perhaps one or two really do, who knows?
Investigators don't necessarily throw reports of "visions" in the vertical filing cabinet, because there's always the possibility that a perp or someone who actually does know something could be attempting to report it anonymously.
Being from a scientific type background, I did not want to believe in Psychics, BUT
Psychic Matt James has astounded me with what he was pointing to. For years I puzzled over his runes etc. doubting but hoping thta they might help.
After I had worked things out by my own means without his help, I popped in to relook at Matt James and I suddenly realised that he was SPOT ON ! Absolutely SPOT ON with some of his predictions and runes. A.M.A.Z.I.N.G, but you have to know how to decipher them.
I cant always do that.
Then there is a lady in Swansea who is brilliant too. She is shy and remains anonymous, but she too was SPOT ON
I am still wary, cos manyb are frauds, I think, but now I am prepared to give psychics a try before dismissing them. Maybe you would benefit by trying that Stephen?
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I'm actually not at all sure why we are discussing either Marcos Aragão Correia or the Arade dam.
I have become aware there are people who have "issues" with the man himself.
Particularly Mr Amaral who tried to have him declared insane and to have him committed to an asylum. He failed in that attempt.
Mr Amaral wasn't best pleased with him, possibly because he acted as lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, and sued him for libel. Mr Amaral was unsuccessful in that endeavour, lost his case and the judge ordered him to pay all the costs.
As far as the reservoirs go ... Mr Correia acted on "information received" ... so where is the problem in a search being organised?
Is there any suggestion that the police were remiss in not sending divers down to search these vast stretches of water on spec without any concrete information to go on?
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I'm actually not at all sure why we are discussing either Marcos Aragão Correia or the Arade dam.
I have become aware there are people who have "issues" with the man himself.
Particularly Mr Amaral who tried to have him declared insane and to have him committed to an asylum. He failed in that attempt.
Mr Amaral wasn't best pleased with him, possibly because he acted as lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, and sued him for libel. Mr Amaral was unsuccessful in that endeavour, lost his case and the judge ordered him to pay all the costs.
As far as the reservoirs go ... Mr Correia acted on "information received" ... so where is the problem in a search being organised?
Is there any suggestion that the police were remiss in not sending divers down to search these vast stretches of water on spec without any concrete information to go on?
Correia's "information received" ? From where? The spirit underworld? or was it the "underworld "as in the local Mafia? Do you know?
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Marcos Aragao Correia, a complete waste of space?
Now remind me, how often did he beat Amaral in Court ?
*&*%£
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Marcos Aragao Correia, a complete waste of space?
Now remind me, how often did he beat Amaral in Court ?
*&*%£
You mean with his psychic visions ? 8**8:/:
Where is he now by the way ?
He appears to have disappeared into the ether.
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Marcos Aragao Correia, a complete waste of space?
Now remind me, how often did he beat Amaral in Court ?
*&*%£
and stephens weak answer:
You mean with his psychic visions ? 8**8:/:
Where is he now by the way ?
He appears to have disappeared into the ether.
How about answering the question?
How often did Marcos Carreia beat Amaral in Court?
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and stephens weak answer:
How about answering the question?
How often did Marcos Carreia beat Amaral in Court?
Please remind me.
After all Correia is in the same league as Derek Acorah.
I wonder if Correia also tried to speak to the spirit of Michael Jackson ?
Or is he just BAD ? 8)--))
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Please remind me.
After all Correia is in the same league as Derek Acorah.
I wonder if Correia also tried to speak to the spirit of Michael Jackson ?
Or is he just BAD ? 8)--))
If this thread were combined with Amaral and the Dogs we could abbreviate it to Reservoir Dogs.
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If this thread were combined with Amaral and the Dogs we could abbreviate it to Reservoir Dogs.
Very cruel. 8@??)(
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Please remind me.
After all Correia is in the same league as Derek Acorah.
I wonder if Correia also tried to speak to the spirit of Michael Jackson ?
Or is he just BAD ? 8)--))
Ducking and side stepping again. Answer the question stephen
How many times has Correia beaten Amaral in Court?
To remind you, you called Correia a complete waste of space.
How often did he beat Amaral in Court
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Ducking and side stepping again. Answer the question stephen
How many times has Correia beaten Amaral in Court?
To remind you, you called Correia a complete waste of space.
How often did he beat Amaral in Court
Do you comprehend the words 'please remind me' ?
Correia IMO remains a waste of space, and in the same frame as Derek Acorah.
and just remember who employed him, metardo3, who were employed by the mccanns.
Enough said.
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Do you comprehend the words 'please remind me' ?
Correia IMO remains a waste of space, and in the same frame as Derek Acorah.
and just remember who employed him, metardo3, who were employed by the mccanns.
Enough said.
Is there a cite for "metardo3" or even Método 3 which is not exclusive to sceptic forum gossip or free newspapers chatter employing Marcos Aragão Correia.
If memory serves me well the Drs McCann were not best pleased about the whole episode at the time.
If you need reminding ~ Marcos Aragão Correia was the lawyer who gave Mr Amaral a few drubbings in the Portuguese Courts.
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Is there a cite for "metardo3" or even Método 3 which is not exclusive to sceptic forum gossip or free newspapers chatter employing Marcos Aragão Correia.
If memory serves me well the Drs McCann were not best pleased about the whole episode at the time.
If you need reminding ~ Marcos Aragão Correia was the lawyer who gave Mr Amaral a few drubbings in the Portuguese Courts.
Correia is also a member of the Cadburys club and has links to the mccanns and metodo3, who of course have employees with criminal convictions.
As the saying goes, know people by the company they keep.
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Correia is also a member of the Cadburys club and has links to the mccanns and metodo3, who of course have employees with criminal convictions.
As the saying goes, know people by the company they keep.
So ... in other words ... you do not have an independent cite to substantiate the claims you make ... I would actually have been floored in amazement if you had ...
I will just add it to the tally of the number of times you have been asked for a cite and have failed to deliver.
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You do like repeating yourself.
As to worthwhile content in posts, when do you intend to start ?
I don't really know a great deal about Marcos Aragão Correia and I certainly haven't gleaned much of relevance from any of your unsubstantiated posts about him.
From what I have read about him it seems he is a man of genuine good intent and appears to have incurred sceptic wrath as a result of being sane enough to evade the asylum to which Mr Amaral wished to consign him as well as being a good enough lawyer to thrash Mr Amaral in court both as a result of the criminal conviction for perjury and in the failed and expensive litigation Mr Amaral pursued against him for libel.
However I have located one quote from a source with which you may be familiar in which Marcos Aragão Correia specifically denies being paid by Metodo 3 to undertake the Arade dam search ... and outlining why their interest in the area.
It rather confirms also that the Drs McCann were not best pleased at diversions of this type as they had a great deal more to do with their ("decreasing") money ... such as concentrating on live sightings of children who might have been Madeleine.
IMO Metodo 3 come out of this episode well ... although they did not 'employ' Marcos Aragão Correia, they ignored NO possibility relating to Madeleine's case, which is what they were paid to do.
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... and as a consequence of that, Método 3 offered full support to my research.
But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Madeleine Fund in mainly following leads that placed the hypothesis that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to scrutinize the dam.
Then, I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support (even financial) from mediums and spiritists who believed in and corroborated my theory.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
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I don't really know a great deal about Marcos Aragão Correia and I certainly haven't gleaned much of relevance from any of your unsubstantiated posts about him.
From what I have read about him it seems he is a man of genuine good intent and appears to have incurred sceptic wrath as a result of being sane enough to evade the asylum to which Mr Amaral wished to consign him as well as being a good enough lawyer to thrash Mr Amaral in court both as a result of the criminal conviction for perjury and in the failed and expensive litigation Mr Amaral pursued against him for libel.
However I have located one quote from a source with which you may be familiar in which Marcos Aragão Correia specifically denies being paid by Metodo 3 to undertake the Arade dam search ... and outlining why their interest in the area.
It rather confirms also that the Drs McCann were not best pleased at diversions of this type as they had a great deal more to do with their ("decreasing") money ... such as concentrating on live sightings of children who might have been Madeleine.
IMO Metodo 3 come out of this episode well ... although they did not 'employ' Marcos Aragão Correia, they ignored NO possibility relating to Madeleine's case, which is what they were paid to do.
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... and as a consequence of that, Método 3 offered full support to my research.
But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Madeleine Fund in mainly following leads that placed the hypothesis that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to scrutinize the dam.
Then, I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support (even financial) from mediums and spiritists who believed in and corroborated my theory.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
'Then, I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support (even financial) from mediums and spiritists who believed in and corroborated my theory.'
Enough said.
Just another Acorah.
and the wee drs again. @)(++(*
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I agree that Correia seems to be a man of genuine good intent. Undeniably eccentric, but judging by his results a very good lawyer.
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I agree that Correia seems to be a man of genuine good intent. Undeniably eccentric, but judging by his results a very good lawyer.
That is a matter of opinion and depends on which side of the fence you sit.
Now why did Metodo3 employ him ?
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/02/mccanns-former-detectives-metodo-3.html
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That is a matter of opinion and depends on which side of the fence you sit.
Now why did Metodo3 employ him ?
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/02/mccanns-former-detectives-metodo-3.html
Are you seriously citing Morais as a source?
Could you help me understand what your point is on this, please?
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Are you seriously citing Morais as a source?
Could you help me understand what your point is on this, please?
Why not.
You have your bias towards Correia and you would not be interested in him apart from his involvement in this case.
The link simply shows what most people already know already.
Metodo3 were useless, employing people who now have criminal convictions, and Correia.
The mccanns employed Metodo3.
and what did Metodo3 employ Correia to do ?
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Why not.
You have your bias towards Correct, a man you would not be interested in apart from his involvement in this case.
The link about me to do simply shows what most people already know they are.
Useless and they employed Correia.
and the mccanns employed me to do.
Any chance of that in English?
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Any chance of that in English?
Done.
Anticipatory text on tablet.
Next time I'll check first.
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Correia is also a member of the Cadburys club and has links to the mccanns and metodo3, who of course have employees with criminal convictions.
As the saying goes, know people by the company they keep.
Cadbury club? chocolate...Mmmm
I think it is unfair to say he is like Derek Acorah(ew)... for a start Correia is one gorgeous looking guy! Mwah.
He does come across as a very caring and conscientious person. I believe his involvement with the lake search came from a genuine need to help. There is nothing wrong with people who are in touch with their 6th sense, police are re knowned for acting on 'hunches' same thing...