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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: John on June 27, 2012, 02:01:11 PM

Title: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: John on June 27, 2012, 02:01:11 PM
This post by Corinne Mitchell on the WAP forum is interesting and reveals that she still hasn't come to terms that her then 14-year-old child wasn't exactly 'normal'.

Quote from: Corinne Mitchell via WAP
Much was made of Luke "not phoning back" when Jodi didn't appear. Why? He was the child in this situation. A 14year old lad. His girlfriend hadn't turned up.......so he phones his ,mates. Nothing unusual in that. Pretty much the norm for kidss that age.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922073/#msg9922073)


Mitchell was far from normal.  He had a warped predisposition towards knives and had actually assaulted one school girl with them just days before he killed Jodi Jones. He was reprimanded by Matthew Muraska, who helped run the local Army Cadet Force The Army Cadet Force (ACF).  Asked about an incident with Mitchell, Mr Muraska said it had been in the summer of 2002 that he caught him with a knife.

"They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one cadet pass something to Luke. I asked Luke, 'What is that?' He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.

"I opened the knife. It was about six or seven inches long, a lock- type knife with a pointed blade," said Mr Muraska. "I held it up so all the cadets could see. I said that I never, ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army Cadet Force...there was no place for a knife like that...a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.

"A young cadet said, 'Killing' and I said, 'Yes, exactly.' I said I doubted the legality of such a knife and that carrying such a knife was probably totally illegal."

Mr Muraska said he had to give back the knife to Mitchell. In the past, knives would be confiscated and destroyed, but a policeman had pointed out that such action was theft.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-13056511.html


A FRIEND of Mitchell's told the court he said he could imagine himself getting 'stoned' and killing someone.

Michelle Tierney, 17, a sixth year pupil at St David's High School in Dalkeith, says she went to an area known as 'the ampi' where she met Mitchell and a group of pals.

Some people left, leaving her with Mitchell and a friend.

She tells the court that some of the group had been smoking cannabis before she arrived.

Asked by the advocate depute whether something came up in conversation with Mitchell, she replies: 'He said that he could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and going out and killing somebody and how funny it would be.'

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL:+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355


Mitchell was also a drug dealer.  He not only smoked cannabis in ever increasing quantities but he purchased and resold the drug in special plastic bags kept in his bedroom for that specific purpose.  He also had weighing scales in his bedroom which were used to weigh the drugs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/quick-tempered-mother-who-always-stood-by-her-son-1.65142


Normal behaviour for a 14-year-old boy??



Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: John on June 27, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
The High Court in Edinburgh heard that Mitchell was arrested after an early-morning swoop on his home by detectives on April 14 2004.

Before he was led away in handcuffs detectives found cannabis resin and herbal cannabis in his pockets.

After Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith Police Station officers searched his bedroom. "It was disgusting, smelly squalor, " said PC Dow.

She said that Mitchell appeared to sleep under a duvet which was on the floor, but not in his bed.

"There were so many belongings on the top of it. There were computer keyboards and monitors lying on it."

More cannabis was found in the bedroom along with a bong for smoking the drug, a number of pipes and a set of miniature scales.

Born in July 1988, his parents Corinne and Philip split up when he was 11. He grew up under the care of his mother and she allowed him to do exactly as he pleased. He lived in a state of near squalor; keeping his own urine in bottles in his bedroom, rarely washing and wearing the same clothes for days on end.

Left largely to his own devices he became defiant, violent and brooding with an unhealthy fascination with knives, the occult and drugs. He was first brought to the attention of the mental health profession aged just 11, following a fight at King’s Park Primary in Dalkeith. Although the incident was just a minor skirmish with another pupil, Mitchell’s attitude was sufficiently troublesome to warrant a referral to a school psychiatrist. However, there appears to have been little further action taken by the education authorities or his parents to curb his behaviour.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/natural-born-killer-1-1401861

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Joanne on July 06, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
I just wonder if people have an interest in something why is it questioned? I have an interest in crime, murder and watch a ton of documentaries but I've never murdered anyone and I've only ever been done for speeding, so I'm hardly Ronnie Biggs and the points are off now!
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: devils advocate on July 08, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Corinne Mitchell is obviously deluded if she believes her son is normal.  My 14 year old son goes to the cadets and has a knife but he doesn't do drugs or sells cannabis to other children or threatens his girlfriends with a knife.  I think her idea of normal may have something to do with her own roots which apparently are quite extraordinary.

Did I forget cutting a young girls throat to the point where it was nearly detached and slicing her eyelids n that list?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: nugnug on July 08, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Corinne Mitchell is obviously deluded if she believes her son is normal.  My 14 year old son goes to the cadets and has a knife but he doesn't do drugs or sells cannabis to other children or threatens his girlfriends with a knife.  I think her idea of normal may have something to do with her own roots which apparently are quite extraordinary.

Did I forget cutting a young girls throat to the point where it was nearly detached and slicing her eyelids n that list?

well she may be adopted to but that means nothing.

you shouldnt read that daily retard rubbish anyway.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: devils advocate on July 08, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Corinne Mitchell is obviously deluded if she believes her son is normal.  My 14 year old son goes to the cadets and has a knife but he doesn't do drugs or sells cannabis to other children or threatens his girlfriends with a knife.  I think her idea of normal may have something to do with her own roots which apparently are quite extraordinary.

Did I forget cutting a young girls throat to the point where it was nearly detached and slicing her eyelids n that list?

well she may be adopted to but that means nothing.

you shouldnt read that daily retard rubbish anyway.

It always amazes me how Corinne Mitchell chooses to ignore the questions which she finds hard to answer.  There was the attempt to elicit £10,000 from a Scottish newspaper by selling her mothers story.  Then there was the poem which Luke wrote which apparently he didn't write.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 21, 2015, 02:45:28 PM
I've no idea whether Luke Mitchell is guilty as charged or the victim of a MoJ.  I know next to nothing about the case but I see a lot of the sort of witch hunt type stuff that goes on with these cases:

1. A friend of LM's claimed LM said he could kill.  Hmmm where have I heard that before?  It's certainly prevalent in the WHF case.  In the case of David Bain his friend/acquaninatance claimed DB said he could rape a woman on his paper round and use the paper round as an alibi.  Interesting how JB, DB and LM all claim to be victims of MoJ's and yet witnesses claim they were told by the convicted they were capable of murder or rape.  Do murderers, rapists and the like make such claims and then proceed to execute their plans/fantasies? 

2. I note the armchair psychologists are wheeled out in the LM case.  LM apparently wrote a poem which a psychologist believes has themes associated with Jodi's murder.  Has this psychologist ever formally assessed LM?  This reminds me of the various armchair pshychologists in JB's case: Kerry Danes, David Holmes, and Katherine Ramsland all offering up various opinions about JB and the case none of whom have ever met with JB let alone formally assessed him.  Why is it psychologists are prepared to offer up opinions with little or no knowledge of cases and yet we never hear from other experts such as pathologists offering up opinion?

3.   LM was into Goth culture, supposedly kept bottles of his own urine in his bedroom, rarely washed etc, etc.  I just see parallels with JB in that he was condemned for supposedly dying his hair, using a sunbed, dressing in New Romantic gear. 

4.  The police claim LM was very intelligent and appeared arrogant and in control during his police interviews.    OMG where have I heard this before  &%+((£  Many police officers are not only low in intelligence (Paul Harrison's admission to even pass CSE maths) but are also low in emotional intelligence which is a recipe for disaster.   I wouldn't mind betting the majority of police officers involved in LM's case are male.  I object, strongly, to homogeneous groups of people making decisions.  Is there any data regarding MoJ's showing gender breakdown of senior investigating officers involved?  I'm not suggesting female officers are superior  8(0(* just that homogenous groups dont usually make the best teams and produce the best outcomes.

LM might well be guilty as charged but there seems to be a distinct lack of hard evidence and too much of a witch hunt for my liking.   

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on October 30, 2017, 11:17:46 AM
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/killer-luke-mitchell-demands-satanic-books-in-jail-1-3375463
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: expat on June 29, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
People say she now lives in the metal building office workshop in what used to be the caravan park since she had to sell her house. People also say she couldnt afford to pay staff wages. Park run down that no one uses. Has been many attacks on it over the years by locals?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: John on August 04, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
People say she now lives in the metal building office workshop in what used to be the caravan park since she had to sell her house. People also say she couldnt afford to pay staff wages. Park run down that no one uses. Has been many attacks on it over the years by locals?

Its all so very sad, actions always have consequences.  The things we do for our children sometimes.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 18, 2018, 05:50:58 PM
This post by Corinne Mitchell on the WAP forum is interesting and reveals that she still hasn't come to terms that her then 14-year-old child wasn't exactly 'normal'.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922073/#msg9922073)


Mitchell was far from normal.  He had a warped predisposition towards knives and had actually assaulted one school girl with them just days before he killed Jodi Jones. He was reprimanded by Matthew Muraska, who helped run the local Army Cadet Force The Army Cadet Force (ACF).  Asked about an incident with Mitchell, Mr Muraska said it had been in the summer of 2002 that he caught him with a knife.

"They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one cadet pass something to Luke. I asked Luke, 'What is that?' He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.

"I opened the knife. It was about six or seven inches long, a lock- type knife with a pointed blade," said Mr Muraska. "I held it up so all the cadets could see. I said that I never, ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army Cadet Force...there was no place for a knife like that...a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.

"A young cadet said, 'Killing' and I said, 'Yes, exactly.' I said I doubted the legality of such a knife and that carrying such a knife was probably totally illegal."

Mr Muraska said he had to give back the knife to Mitchell. In the past, knives would be confiscated and destroyed, but a policeman had pointed out that such action was theft.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-13056511.html


A FRIEND of Mitchell's told the court he said he could imagine himself getting 'stoned' and killing someone.

Michelle Tierney, 17, a sixth year pupil at St David's High School in Dalkeith, says she went to an area known as 'the ampi' where she met Mitchell and a group of pals.

Some people left, leaving her with Mitchell and a friend.

She tells the court that some of the group had been smoking cannabis before she arrived.

Asked by the advocate depute whether something came up in conversation with Mitchell, she replies: 'He said that he could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and going out and killing somebody and how funny it would be.'

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL:+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355


Mitchell was also a drug dealer.  He not only smoked cannabis in ever increasing quantities but he purchased and resold the drug in special plastic bags kept in his bedroom for that specific purpose.  He also had weighing scales in his bedroom which were used to weigh the drugs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/quick-tempered-mother-who-always-stood-by-her-son-1.65142


Normal behaviour for a 14-year-old boy??

"Why did Luke Mitchell Kill? His mother holds a clue. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12402619.Why_did_Luke_Mitchell_kill__His_mother_holds_a_clue/
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 18, 2018, 10:03:09 PM
This post by Corinne Mitchell on the WAP forum is interesting and reveals that she still hasn't come to terms that her then 14-year-old child wasn't exactly 'normal'.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922073/#msg9922073)


Mitchell was far from normal.  He had a warped predisposition towards knives and had actually assaulted one school girl with them just days before he killed Jodi Jones. He was reprimanded by Matthew Muraska, who helped run the local Army Cadet Force The Army Cadet Force (ACF).  Asked about an incident with Mitchell, Mr Muraska said it had been in the summer of 2002 that he caught him with a knife.

"They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one cadet pass something to Luke. I asked Luke, 'What is that?' He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.

"I opened the knife. It was about six or seven inches long, a lock- type knife with a pointed blade," said Mr Muraska. "I held it up so all the cadets could see. I said that I never, ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army Cadet Force...there was no place for a knife like that...a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.

"A young cadet said, 'Killing' and I said, 'Yes, exactly.' I said I doubted the legality of such a knife and that carrying such a knife was probably totally illegal."

Mr Muraska said he had to give back the knife to Mitchell. In the past, knives would be confiscated and destroyed, but a policeman had pointed out that such action was theft.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-13056511.html


A FRIEND of Mitchell's told the court he said he could imagine himself getting 'stoned' and killing someone.

Michelle Tierney, 17, a sixth year pupil at St David's High School in Dalkeith, says she went to an area known as 'the ampi' where she met Mitchell and a group of pals.

Some people left, leaving her with Mitchell and a friend.

She tells the court that some of the group had been smoking cannabis before she arrived.

Asked by the advocate depute whether something came up in conversation with Mitchell, she replies: 'He said that he could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and going out and killing somebody and how funny it would be.'

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL:+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355


Mitchell was also a drug dealer.  He not only smoked cannabis in ever increasing quantities but he purchased and resold the drug in special plastic bags kept in his bedroom for that specific purpose.  He also had weighing scales in his bedroom which were used to weigh the drugs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/quick-tempered-mother-who-always-stood-by-her-son-1.65142


Normal behaviour for a 14-year-old boy??

"Piquerism is sometimes performed post-mortem. It generally refers to the penetration of human flesh, although it is sometimes practiced against animals. The piquer’s range of activities for sating his or her needs can be a purposeful single prick with a pin or knife, multiple stab wounds to an eroticized area, or elaborate cutting, stabbing, biting and mutilation of a victim. Piquerism becomes part of the repertoire of many sadists, depending on their progress along the ‘sadistic learning curve’. Often the sexual mechanisms inherent in piquerism are ignored during the assessment of sexually sadistic crimes. The prevalence rate of piquerism is unknown”.

Many authors note the link between piquerism and sexual sadism. In an online article on sexual sadism. Dr Stephen Hucker reviewed the characteristics and predominate features of what he described as “major sexual sadism”. 
Dr. Hucker noted that this type of sexual sadism was typically non-consensual and usually culminates in major injury or death. He also noted the types of behaviour that accompanied major sexual sadism as including: (i) severe beatings, (ii) torture, (iii) burning and cutting, (iv) stabbing in the breast or buttocks (piquerism), (v) rape, (vi), murder, (vii) vampirism, and (viii) necrophilia. This is also confirmed by Dr. Anil Aggrawal in his 2011 book Necrophilia: Forensic and Medico-legal Aspects, where he examines lust murders:
 https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/in-excess/201501/life-knife-edge
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 19, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
This post by Corinne Mitchell on the WAP forum is interesting and reveals that she still hasn't come to terms that her then 14-year-old child wasn't exactly 'normal'.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922073/#msg9922073)


Mitchell was far from normal.  He had a warped predisposition towards knives and had actually assaulted one school girl with them just days before he killed Jodi Jones. He was reprimanded by Matthew Muraska, who helped run the local Army Cadet Force The Army Cadet Force (ACF).  Asked about an incident with Mitchell, Mr Muraska said it had been in the summer of 2002 that he caught him with a knife.

"They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one cadet pass something to Luke. I asked Luke, 'What is that?' He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.

"I opened the knife. It was about six or seven inches long, a lock- type knife with a pointed blade," said Mr Muraska. "I held it up so all the cadets could see. I said that I never, ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army Cadet Force...there was no place for a knife like that...a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.

"A young cadet said, 'Killing' and I said, 'Yes, exactly.' I said I doubted the legality of such a knife and that carrying such a knife was probably totally illegal."

Mr Muraska said he had to give back the knife to Mitchell. In the past, knives would be confiscated and destroyed, but a policeman had pointed out that such action was theft.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-13056511.html


A FRIEND of Mitchell's told the court he said he could imagine himself getting 'stoned' and killing someone.

Michelle Tierney, 17, a sixth year pupil at St David's High School in Dalkeith, says she went to an area known as 'the ampi' where she met Mitchell and a group of pals.

Some people left, leaving her with Mitchell and a friend.

She tells the court that some of the group had been smoking cannabis before she arrived.

Asked by the advocate depute whether something came up in conversation with Mitchell, she replies: 'He said that he could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and going out and killing somebody and how funny it would be.'

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL:+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355


Mitchell was also a drug dealer.  He not only smoked cannabis in ever increasing quantities but he purchased and resold the drug in special plastic bags kept in his bedroom for that specific purpose.  He also had weighing scales in his bedroom which were used to weigh the drugs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/quick-tempered-mother-who-always-stood-by-her-son-1.65142


Normal behaviour for a 14-year-old boy??

I'd like to hear from Luke Mitchell, or one his handful of supporters, when he started his "20 bottle" urine collection and why etc?

Sandra Lean states,

"Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke's bedroom.

"The perfectly innocent explanation - that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.

I disagree.

If the motivation for the murder of [Name removed] was Erotophonophilia, then any possible paraphilia is relevant. Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism. The same could be said of Luke Mitchell's urne collection ie; another paraphilia
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Guiltyascharged on June 12, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
didnt luke threaten another girl with a knife? not what your average normal teenager would do 
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on June 23, 2019, 01:28:16 PM
I'd like to hear from Luke Mitchell, or one his handful of supporters, when he started his "20 bottle" urine collection and why etc?

Sandra Lean states,

"Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke's bedroom.

"The perfectly innocent explanation - that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.

I disagree.

If the motivation for the murder of [Name removed] was Erotophonophilia, then any possible paraphilia is relevant. Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism. The same could be said of Luke Mitchell's urne collection ie; another paraphilia

A high-profile trial heard bottles of urine were found in Mitchell's bedroom when it was searched in July 2003 and taken away by the police.
Donald Findlay QC, representing Mitchell, earlier argued the evidence was "wholly irrelevant" and provided no "link, key or motive" to the crime.
John Beckett QC, representing the Crown, told Lords Hamilton, Osborne and Kingarth: "His explanation was that because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else.
"It was to show that explanation was untrue. The new ones (bottles) came at a time when his position was that he was sleeping in the living room next to his mother, or something like that."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7247137.stm


If this is correct https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-itn-ext-police-car-outside-news-footage/682859242?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp Luke Mitchell’s house was searched 7 days after the murder and some 20 bottles of urine were found in his bedroom - that’s some collection in just a few days. Especially as has been pointed out, even by Corrine Mitchell, he was sleeping downstairs on the sofa therefore his alleged explanation as to why he urinated in bottles was indeed untrue.


the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.


Forensic psychologist Ian Stephens said at the time  “whoever did this would be displaying signs of stress.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/family-video-released-itn-ext-i-c-detective-inspector-tom-news-footage/682862314?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp


On the other hand Luke Mitchell was keen to get back to school (2 months after the murder) and went on to pass his exams - seemingly unaffected by any trauma

Imo Luke Mitchell most probably urinated in bottles before the murder
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 01:55:14 AM
A high-profile trial heard bottles of urine were found in Mitchell's bedroom when it was searched in July 2003 and taken away by the police.
Donald Findlay QC, representing Mitchell, earlier argued the evidence was "wholly irrelevant" and provided no "link, key or motive" to the crime.
John Beckett QC, representing the Crown, told Lords Hamilton, Osborne and Kingarth: "His explanation was that because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else.
"It was to show that explanation was untrue. The new ones (bottles) came at a time when his position was that he was sleeping in the living room next to his mother, or something like that."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7247137.stm


If this is correct https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-itn-ext-police-car-outside-news-footage/682859242?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp Luke Mitchell’s house was searched 7 days after the murder and some 20 bottles of urine were found in his bedroom - that’s some collection in just a few days. Especially as has been pointed out, even by Corrine Mitchell, he was sleeping downstairs on the sofa therefore his alleged explanation as to why he urinated in bottles was indeed untrue.


the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.


Forensic psychologist Ian Stephens said at the time  “whoever did this would be displaying signs of stress.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/family-video-released-itn-ext-i-c-detective-inspector-tom-news-footage/682862314?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp


On the other hand Luke Mitchell was keen to get back to school (2 months after the murder) and went on to pass his exams - seemingly unaffected by any trauma

Imo Luke Mitchell most probably urinated in bottles before the murder

The house was searched a few days after the murder not 7 days https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/gvs-house-of-jodis-boyfriend-clean-feed-tape-d0623919-news-footage/682508452?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 01:04:56 PM
A high-profile trial heard bottles of urine were found in Mitchell's bedroom when it was searched in July 2003 and taken away by the police.
Donald Findlay QC, representing Mitchell, earlier argued the evidence was "wholly irrelevant" and provided no "link, key or motive" to the crime.
John Beckett QC, representing the Crown, told Lords Hamilton, Osborne and Kingarth: "His explanation was that because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else.
"It was to show that explanation was untrue. The new ones (bottles) came at a time when his position was that he was sleeping in the living room next to his mother, or something like that."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7247137.stm


If this is correct https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-itn-ext-police-car-outside-news-footage/682859242?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp Luke Mitchell’s house was searched 7 days after the murder and some 20 bottles of urine were found in his bedroom - that’s some collection in just a few days. Especially as has been pointed out, even by Corrine Mitchell, he was sleeping downstairs on the sofa therefore his alleged explanation as to why he urinated in bottles was indeed untrue.


the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.


Forensic psychologist Ian Stephens said at the time  “whoever did this would be displaying signs of stress.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/family-video-released-itn-ext-i-c-detective-inspector-tom-news-footage/682862314?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_search_results_adp


On the other hand Luke Mitchell was keen to get back to school (2 months after the murder) and went on to pass his exams - seemingly unaffected by any trauma

Imo Luke Mitchell most probably urinated in bottles before the murder

I cannot see how Luke Mitchell amassed 20 bottles of urine in his bedroom over 3 or so days following the murder and for them to be linked to some kind of alleged OCD?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on June 29, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
Two mothers of psychopaths

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5L8RpAkHMHQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMFQzyAAu8
(One in denial herself presenting with strong traits of narcissism)
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2019, 11:26:28 PM
Two mothers of psychopaths

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5L8RpAkHMHQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMFQzyAAu8
(One in denial herself presenting with strong traits of narcissism)

Luke Mitchell knew he wasn’t a normal teenager


I'm simply not a normal teenager; EXCLUSIVE: Luke Mitchell's chilling boast to the Mail.
Source: Daily Mail (London)
Date: 1/22/2005

Byline: GRACE MCLEAN

THE words coming out of his mouth were enough to chill the heart.

His voice flat and emotionless, Luke Mitchell was describing to me the moment he discovered the body of his girlfriend, mutilated and abandoned on the muddy earth.

For the schoolgirl who died an unspeakable death, horrifically mutilated, there was no expression of love from Luke Mitchell - and no tears.

This was Luke's story in his own words - the account the jury never heard as the teenager never gave evidence during his trial.

'My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there,' he began. 'She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side.

'Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring.

'I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall.

'The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her.

'She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms.

I guess the family are suspicious of me because my dog Mia was the one who found Jodi and I was the one who first saw her lying there.' I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer.

Aged 15 at the time, the Luke Mitchell in front of me was an adult in everything but name. Chain smoking and dressed in baggy jeans and a dark-coloured T-shirt, he exuded confidence bordering on arrogance.

Yet all the time his eyes flicked towards his mother Corinne, as if seeking reassurance from the woman with whom he obviously had an extra-special bond.

Mitchell and his mother were like a well-rehearsed double act. As Corinne Mitchell ranted about the unfair treatment of her son, Mitchell would pace the floor as he vented his anger at the way the police had dealt with him.

Then his mother would touch him lightly on the arm and he would, as if by magic, calm down.

And as he gave his version of his whereabouts the night Jodi was brutally murdered, he constantly looked to her for reassurance, particularly when recalling the time he left the house to meet his girlfriend and the time he went on to meet his friends.

In the first moments of meeting Mitchell I was struck by how confident he was.

After a day at school he knew he was about to meet a journalist, but he walked into the room with a nonchalant air.

As I shook his hand, he gave me a cursory glance before sitting in a chair diagonally across from his mother.

It was clear he was a very sexually aware young man. I immediately felt uncomfortable as his eyes slowly looked me up and down. Mitchell may be a child but his sexuality, arrogance and misplaced maturity make him appear far older than his tender years.

There were a few flashes of childlike behaviour. But they only came as he was distracted by Mia - the dog he claimed picked up Jodi's scent and led him to her body.

As his story unfolded, it was clear he was a master of manipulation. His story was just too word-perfect. It was also, as has now transpired, a tissue of lies.

This was a 15-year-old who never buckled once during interviews with some of Scotland's most experienced policemen. The more police pushed him, the more arrogant he became.

He boasted to me: 'After a few hours I told them, "charge me or let me go".'

Mitchell leaned forward in his chair and stared intently at me as he told me how police had made his life 'a misery' and how they tried to relate to him through stories of rap star Eminem, shock rocker Marilyn Manson and pop singer Holly Valance.

He said: 'The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi's friend Laura.

They kept asking me about the Eminem song Kim, the song where he fantasises about killing his wife.

'They asked me about the follow- up song in which Eminem sings about the "two of us", meaning him and his daughter. They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi.

'It was all rubbish. Jodi and I would still be together if she was here today.' Detectives were astonished by how arrogant Mitchell was during interviews. Even when confronted with evidence he remained defiant.

He seemed to realise police were trying to relate to him as a teenager and find some kind of common ground.

However, as Mitchell saw himself as an adult, he found the tactic amusing and gained a sense of confidence as the interrogation went on.

Mitchell took to pacing the floor again as he told me how he had 'got really mad' with police.

Clenching his fists he said: 'I started to get really mad after about four hours and asked them to charge me if they had anything to charge me with.' It was clear Mitchell enjoyed playing cat and mouse with detectives. He said: ' One copper stood, looked me straight in my face and said, "We've got you. We found your semen on her bra.

We've found sperm similar to yours." I laughed and said, "If it's similar, it's not the same then, is it?" ' He told how detectives showed him a video reconstruction of how it would have been impossible for him to see Jodi's body in the dark woods with only a torch - implying he must have known exactly where she was lying.

He said: 'Jodi's body was replaced with a tailor's dummy and I pointed out to police that I could see a limb. That' s when they switched the video off.'

But then, chillingly, he revealed that he, Jodi and their friend Laura had been talking about funeral arrangements a few nights before the murder.

He said: 'What happened to Jodi was so ironic because the Thursday before she died we were all talking about what records we would want played at our funeral.' I could picture him that night, talking in the bedroom with Jodi - taking a perverse pleasure in knowing the fate that awaited her.

He said police took a lock knife from him after being tipped off by friends.

But he added: 'The bloke who said this is a fantasist. Another of his friends told police Jodi and I were arguing all the time. But that's not true. We never had a cross word.' Mitchell also denied he was taunting police when he left a note with flowers for Jodi which quoted from Kurt Cobain's journals: 'The finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came.' He said: 'The only reason I left it was because she loved that line. I wanted to be with Jodi and nobody else.' It was the first time in our interview that Mitchell spoke of any affection for Jodi. But then, to change the subject, he spent ten minutes talking about newly learned computer skills - just like any other teenage boy - before asking his mother for the keys to her 4x4 Land Rover.

Then, nonchalantly, he walked outside, started up the engine and drove at high speeds around nearby waste ground. It seemed, yet again, that Mitchell was playing at being an adult.

When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift.

In the car, he said very little about Jodi, continuing to talk about his computer course. When the car came to a standstill, he leaned over and gave me a hug before jumping out. Just four weeks later, he was arrested for Jodi's murder.

I truly believe Mitchell thought he could get away with it. As we parted, he couldn't resist having the final word. A last gesture, and his last chance to goad the police: 'I was never going to break down in public - I'm not that kind of bloke.

'They made a mistake and thought I was just a normal teenager.'

g.mclean@dailymail.co.uk
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 07, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
Also during her podcast with James English Corrine Mitchell claims her son couldn’t grieve because the press were there?

14/15 years old - that’s some control he has over his emotions - presuming they were there to begin with?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 07, 2019, 11:23:11 PM
I'd like to hear from Luke Mitchell, or one his handful of supporters, when he started his "20 bottle" urine collection and why etc?

Sandra Lean states,

"Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke's bedroom.

"The perfectly innocent explanation - that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.

I disagree.

If the motivation for the murder of [Name removed] was Erotophonophilia, then any possible paraphilia is relevant. Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism. The same could be said of Luke Mitchell's urne collection ie; another paraphilia

The perfectly innocent explanation - that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.

Everything that is except the Marilyn Manson calendar his stepmother got him for his birthday?

Has anyone attempted to calculate how long it would have taken him to collect all that urine, stash it under his bed and hide it away in drawers, in socks etc - in 3 days if he was sleeping downstairs on the sofa next to his mother?

The urine collection isn’t a red herring, it’s highly relevant to Luke Mitchell’s psychology.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 11:34:21 AM
Luke Mitchell knew he wasn’t a normal teenager


I'm simply not a normal teenager; EXCLUSIVE: Luke Mitchell's chilling boast to the Mail.
Source: Daily Mail (London)
Date: 1/22/2005

Byline: GRACE MCLEAN

THE words coming out of his mouth were enough to chill the heart.

His voice flat and emotionless, Luke Mitchell was describing to me the moment he discovered the body of his girlfriend, mutilated and abandoned on the muddy earth.

For the schoolgirl who died an unspeakable death, horrifically mutilated, there was no expression of love from Luke Mitchell - and no tears.

This was Luke's story in his own words - the account the jury never heard as the teenager never gave evidence during his trial.

'My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there,' he began. 'She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side.

'Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring.

'I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall.

'The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her.

'She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms.

I guess the family are suspicious of me because my dog Mia was the one who found Jodi and I was the one who first saw her lying there.' I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer.

Aged 15 at the time, the Luke Mitchell in front of me was an adult in everything but name. Chain smoking and dressed in baggy jeans and a dark-coloured T-shirt, he exuded confidence bordering on arrogance.

Yet all the time his eyes flicked towards his mother Corinne, as if seeking reassurance from the woman with whom he obviously had an extra-special bond.

Mitchell and his mother were like a well-rehearsed double act. As Corinne Mitchell ranted about the unfair treatment of her son, Mitchell would pace the floor as he vented his anger at the way the police had dealt with him.

Then his mother would touch him lightly on the arm and he would, as if by magic, calm down.

And as he gave his version of his whereabouts the night Jodi was brutally murdered, he constantly looked to her for reassurance, particularly when recalling the time he left the house to meet his girlfriend and the time he went on to meet his friends.

In the first moments of meeting Mitchell I was struck by how confident he was.

After a day at school he knew he was about to meet a journalist, but he walked into the room with a nonchalant air.

As I shook his hand, he gave me a cursory glance before sitting in a chair diagonally across from his mother.

It was clear he was a very sexually aware young man. I immediately felt uncomfortable as his eyes slowly looked me up and down. Mitchell may be a child but his sexuality, arrogance and misplaced maturity make him appear far older than his tender years.

There were a few flashes of childlike behaviour. But they only came as he was distracted by Mia - the dog he claimed picked up Jodi's scent and led him to her body.

As his story unfolded, it was clear he was a master of manipulation. His story was just too word-perfect. It was also, as has now transpired, a tissue of lies.

This was a 15-year-old who never buckled once during interviews with some of Scotland's most experienced policemen. The more police pushed him, the more arrogant he became.

He boasted to me: 'After a few hours I told them, "charge me or let me go".'

Mitchell leaned forward in his chair and stared intently at me as he told me how police had made his life 'a misery' and how they tried to relate to him through stories of rap star Eminem, shock rocker Marilyn Manson and pop singer Holly Valance.

He said: 'The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi's friend Laura.

They kept asking me about the Eminem song Kim, the song where he fantasises about killing his wife.

'They asked me about the follow- up song in which Eminem sings about the "two of us", meaning him and his daughter. They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi.

'It was all rubbish. Jodi and I would still be together if she was here today.' Detectives were astonished by how arrogant Mitchell was during interviews. Even when confronted with evidence he remained defiant.

He seemed to realise police were trying to relate to him as a teenager and find some kind of common ground.

However, as Mitchell saw himself as an adult, he found the tactic amusing and gained a sense of confidence as the interrogation went on.

Mitchell took to pacing the floor again as he told me how he had 'got really mad' with police.

Clenching his fists he said: 'I started to get really mad after about four hours and asked them to charge me if they had anything to charge me with.' It was clear Mitchell enjoyed playing cat and mouse with detectives. He said: ' One copper stood, looked me straight in my face and said, "We've got you. We found your semen on her bra.

We've found sperm similar to yours." I laughed and said, "If it's similar, it's not the same then, is it?" ' He told how detectives showed him a video reconstruction of how it would have been impossible for him to see Jodi's body in the dark woods with only a torch - implying he must have known exactly where she was lying.

He said: 'Jodi's body was replaced with a tailor's dummy and I pointed out to police that I could see a limb. That' s when they switched the video off.'

But then, chillingly, he revealed that he, Jodi and their friend Laura had been talking about funeral arrangements a few nights before the murder.

He said: 'What happened to Jodi was so ironic because the Thursday before she died we were all talking about what records we would want played at our funeral.' I could picture him that night, talking in the bedroom with Jodi - taking a perverse pleasure in knowing the fate that awaited her.

He said police took a lock knife from him after being tipped off by friends.

But he added: 'The bloke who said this is a fantasist. Another of his friends told police Jodi and I were arguing all the time. But that's not true. We never had a cross word.' Mitchell also denied he was taunting police when he left a note with flowers for Jodi which quoted from Kurt Cobain's journals: 'The finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came.' He said: 'The only reason I left it was because she loved that line. I wanted to be with Jodi and nobody else.' It was the first time in our interview that Mitchell spoke of any affection for Jodi. But then, to change the subject, he spent ten minutes talking about newly learned computer skills - just like any other teenage boy - before asking his mother for the keys to her 4x4 Land Rover.

Then, nonchalantly, he walked outside, started up the engine and drove at high speeds around nearby waste ground. It seemed, yet again, that Mitchell was playing at being an adult.

When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift.

In the car, he said very little about Jodi, continuing to talk about his computer course. When the car came to a standstill, he leaned over and gave me a hug before jumping out. Just four weeks later, he was arrested for Jodi's murder.

I truly believe Mitchell thought he could get away with it. As we parted, he couldn't resist having the final word. A last gesture, and his last chance to goad the police: 'I was never going to break down in public - I'm not that kind of bloke.

'They made a mistake and thought I was just a normal teenager.'

g.mclean@dailymail.co.uk

What do Laura Whitemans witness statements say about Luke Mitchell?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Quote
She said her son returned home quite early that night, at around 9pm, and told her that Jodi had not turned up.

“Did that surprise you?” Mr Turnbull asked.

“Yes, it did,” she replied.

She said they thought perhaps Jodi had gone to a friend’s house or had been grounded.

“How would you describe the way he was reacting to the fact she hadn’t turned up?” Mr Turnbull asked.

Mrs Mitchell replied: “I think more miffed that she hadn’t turned up.”

Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.” She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.

Later that evening the police told her that Jodi Jones was dead. She denied she then said to police: “Is Luke a suspect?”

Mrs Mitchell explained she would not have said that, because she thought at that stage Jodi had died an accidental death. “I worried that she might have left her inhaler and suffered a breathing attack.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-was-cooking-dinner-xpv2b0l6xn8
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 12:55:22 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Corrine Mitchell appears hostile. “You will tell me right now what is wrong”

I'm on my way up to find you”

On her way up where? To find him where?


CM: The plan was he had arranged with Judi that he would meet Judi at their house to go over friends phone numbers that Judi probably would have...... so Luke said he would go and meet Judi at her house and go over all the friends but what confuses us is what the phone records show she never phoned any of her friends. She phoned the granny and that was all she phoned but anyhoo that was the plan but when Luke got to the top of the path the other 3 members were already there and we have no idea how they got there that fast. No idea.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

I'm on my way up to find you”

To Judi’s house?

Where was Corrine Mitchell heading?

What did Luke Mitchell indicate to Corrine before she sent this text?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Quote
Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.” She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.

Later that evening the police told her that Jodi Jones was dead. She denied she then said to police: “Is Luke a suspect?”

Mrs Mitchell explained she would not have said that, because she thought at that stage Jodi had died an accidental death. “I worried that she might have left her inhaler and suffered a breathing attack.”

She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.

Was it usual for Luke Mitchell to take the dog out for a walk at this time of night?

Wasn’t it alleged Luke had a 10pm curfew?

What was the usual time of Mia’s last walk of the day and who usually took her for a walk?

Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.”

At what point then is Corrine Mitchell claiming Luke did appear “anxious?” Or did she suggest this during trial for effect?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 20, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
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Mrs Mitchell explained she would not have said that, because she thought at that stage Jodi had died an accidental death. “I worried that she might have left her inhaler and suffered a breathing attack.”

His gran provoked disgust in 2007 for trying to sell Mitchell’s story to our sister paper, the Sunday Mail.

In a letter sent via Corinne, she said she wanted “to tell her side of the story”.

Guetta wrote: “I want between £8000 and £10,000 or it isn’t worth my while.

“It will be £10,000 with a photo of Luke. If you use a photograph of Luke, you’ll sell more papers.”

Guetta – who ran a caravan business with Corinne – insisted Mitchell was really a “nice boy”. She added: “He doted on Jodi.

“He was very, very ­protective of her. On a cold day, I’ve seen him buttoning up her coat because she suffered from asthma and she had an inhaler.” https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1112662
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 21, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
Corrine Mitchell appears hostile. “You will tell me right now what is wrong”

I'm on my way up to find you”

On her way up where? To find him where?


CM: The plan was he had arranged with Judi that he would meet Judi at their house to go over friends phone numbers that Judi probably would have...... so Luke said he would go and meet Judi at her house and go over all the friends but what confuses us is what the phone records show she never phoned any of her friends. She phoned the granny and that was all she phoned but anyhoo that was the plan but when Luke got to the top of the path the other 3 members were already there and we have no idea how they got there that fast. No idea.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

I'm on my way up to find you”

To Judi’s house?

Where was Corrine Mitchell heading?

What did Luke Mitchell indicate to Corrine before she sent this text?

Lithium states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452464.html#msg452464

”The fact the Corinne call was still there indicates the deleting of everything else took place between the contact with Jodi and the finding of the body/phone being handed to police.

And then:

”It indicates that everything was wiped and Corinnes call was the only call that followed the deletion.

Why would he delete everything else individually and leave one call?


I agree!

“You will tell me right now what is wrong”

Luke Mitchell has quite obviously indicated to his mother something’s wrong for Corrine to have responded to him in this manner.

So what did Luke Mitchell say?

16 years on and still these omissions have not been addressed?

I watched Ms Mitchells podcast in detail this morning. Within minutes it flagged up the first of several odd comments. From an innocent stance she is proclaiming. Luke told her he was going out to search for Jodi, she told him no way , not at this time of night, he was adamant though so he was doing it, telling his mother that it wasn't up for discussion. She is giving the impression of concern. Why did she not go with him? 

Giving the impression of concern for Luke but not the fact Jodi is missing?

”You will tell me right now what is wrong”

Quote
“How would you describe the way he was reacting to the fact she hadn’t turned up?” Mr Turnbull asked.

Mrs Mitchell replied: “I think more miffed that she hadn’t turned up.”

Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.” She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.

Quote
CM: The plan was he had arranged with Judi that he would meet Judi at their house to go over friends phone numbers that Judi probably would have...... so Luke said he would go and meet Judi at her house and go over all the friends

Going by how Corrine Mitchell speaks about Luke allegedly arranging with Judi to meet at her house and go over friends phone numbers etc there’s no suggestion from Corrine at this point Luke is “anxious.”

“Mitchell may have been calm, but his story was erratic. The accounts he gave of why he never showed any concern over Jodi's non-appearance varied with every person he spoke to: his friends, Jodi's family, the police. It was these fabrications that initially roused police suspicions.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/22/ukcrime.gerardseenan


Suspicion fell on Mitchell within days of the crime because of inconsistencies in his story, witness accounts of his suspicious behaviour and a sighting of somebody matching his description at the murder scene.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/convicted-of-murder-teenager-obsessed-by-occult-487831.html

”At around 11.30pm, they passed a wall with a V-shaped gap. Jodi's family walked past it, but Mitchell headed straight for the gap. In a statement to police, he told the court that his dog, Mia, had placed her paws on the wall and began sniffing. No other member of the party remembered this. Instead, they said, Mitchell had led them to the spot where he killed Jodi.

Janine said Mitchell "showed no emotion". Jodi's family were gripped by hysterics; Mitchell's bravado faltered only when he spoke on the phone to the police. But, in leading Jodi's family to her body, Mitchell ultimately led the police to her killer.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 21, 2019, 02:51:43 PM
What’s also been omitted/ignored these past 16 years is the fact Corrine Mitchell (And Mitchell supporters) have never once mentioned anything of a conversation between mother and son along the lines of -

Did you do it?

This is yet another massive red flag!

They accept he’s innocent from day one based on what?

What evidence did Sandra Lean have before even meeting the Mitchell’s to conclude Luke Mitchell was innocent? None!




Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 21, 2019, 03:25:22 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452488.html#msg452488
”I'm sorry, I seem to have caused a bit of a misunderstanding. Of the incoming voicemail call on Luke's phone that night, I said
Quote
the records show, quite clearly, that this was a log of an incoming voicemail from Corinne asking where he was, being recorded on his phone, not Luke checking it
I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on, but got his voicemail - the timings given in her statement and both her and Luke's phone records all matched up. My point was that the police deliberately lied about Luke "checking his voicemail" when the log is clearly labelled "incoming."

All of the police assertions regarding the phone calls, texts, etc, were put to Luke in the Section 14 interrogation 6 weeks after the murder. By then, the police had the phone logs - they also recovered a text from Corinne to Luke saying, "Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you" (not recovered from Luke's phone)
.

Corrine Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”


Sandra Lean
“Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you”
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Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 21, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
What do Laura Whitemans witness statements say about Luke Mitchell?

What do Ashley Coutts witness statement(s) say?

Ashley Coutts, 15, tells the court that she had seen Mitchell with a knife at his father's house in Livingston.
She explains that the sister of her mother's boyfriend lived with Mitchell's father and that she would sometimes visit them. Ashley is also shown a brown knife and she confirms that it is similar to the one Mitchell had.”

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 24, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

“Mrs Mitchell recalled told how she called her son's mobile phone on the evening of the murder to see if Jodi had been found and was told by a police officer to go to Dalkeith Police Station.

"I got there and I couldn't understand why he was wearing a white forensic suit. I asked why he was like this and what had happened. At some point I heard the words 'Jodi' and 'dead'.

"I asked why they had stripped a 14-year-old child with no other adult present. I was told it was procedure. But it was just 'procedure' for Luke because other members of the search party didn't have that happen to them.

"He looked shocked, very shocked. His eyes were wide, he was white," she added.

The murder verdict, in January 2005, was "like being hit on the face with a sledgehammer," she said.

"Our worst fear was not proven - we never ever expected guilty. I thought I had not heard the 'not' part, then I heard the other side cheering and it hit me - it was a guilty verdict.

"Luke was in pure shock. The press said 'he showed no emotion' but it was shock," she continued
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/corinne-mitchell-fights-to-free-her-son-1-1326191
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on July 24, 2019, 03:11:14 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452488.html#msg452488

”The statement from the phone expert who examined the phone appears to suggest that the police may have inadvertently wiped the call logs, etc, not that they did so deliberately.Either way, according to their own statements, the police officers who put Luke in the back of the police vehicle and took his phone did so before 12.30, the time the expert said the logs were deleted.

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Mrs Mitchell recalled told how she called her son's mobile phone on the evening of the murder to see if Jodi had been found and was told by a police officer to go to Dalkeith Police Station.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 22, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Still waiting to learn why Corrine Mitchell chose to send the above text to Luke.

The wording of the text indicates she knows something is wrong
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on February 22, 2021, 10:14:42 PM
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She said her son returned home quite early that night, at around 9pm, and told her that Jodi had not turned up.

“Did that surprise you?” Mr Turnbull asked.

“Yes, it did,” she replied.

She said they thought perhaps Jodi had gone to a friend’s house or had been grounded.

“How would you describe the way he was reacting to the fact she hadn’t turned up?” Mr Turnbull asked.

Mrs Mitchell replied: “I think more miffed that she hadn’t turned up.”

Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.” She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.

Later that evening the police told her that Jodi Jones was dead. She denied she then said to police: “Is Luke a suspect?”

Mrs Mitchell explained she would not have said that, because she thought at that stage Jodi had died an accidental death. “I worried that she might have left her inhaler and suffered a breathing attack.”

Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am

"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."

Still waiting to learn why Corrine Mitchell chose to send the above text to Luke.

The wording of the text indicates she knows something is wrong

Didn’t Corrine Mitchell send Luke a text message
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on February 22, 2021, 10:25:18 PM
His gran provoked disgust in 2007 for trying to sell Mitchell’s story to our sister paper, the Sunday Mail.

In a letter sent via Corinne, she said she wanted “to tell her side of the story”.

Guetta wrote: “I want between £8000 and £10,000 or it isn’t worth my while.

“It will be £10,000 with a photo of Luke. If you use a photograph of Luke, you’ll sell more papers.”

Guetta – who ran a caravan business with Corinne – insisted Mitchell was really a “nice boy”. She added: “He doted on Jodi.

“He was very, very ­protective of her. On a cold day, I’ve seen him buttoning up her coat because she suffered from asthma and she had an inhaler.” https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1112662

Don’t tell me - this was posted by Sandra Lean

A family friend posted news of her death on a website devoted to ­Mitchell’s campaign on Christmas Eve.

She wrote: “Ruby was one of the most amazing people I have ever met. A tiny little dottle of a woman, she had the heart of a lion.”


It was wasn’t - I recall it
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on February 22, 2021, 10:54:56 PM
Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452488.html#msg452488
”I'm sorry, I seem to have caused a bit of a misunderstanding. Of the incoming voicemail call on Luke's phone that night, I said
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the records show, quite clearly, that this was a log of an incoming voicemail from Corinne asking where he was, being recorded on his phone, not Luke checking it
I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on, but got his voicemail - the timings given in her statement and both her and Luke's phone records all matched up. My point was that the police deliberately lied about Luke "checking his voicemail" when the log is clearly labelled "incoming."

All of the police assertions regarding the phone calls, texts, etc, were put to Luke in the Section 14 interrogation 6 weeks after the murder. By then, the police had the phone logs - they also recovered a text from Corinne to Luke saying, "Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you" (not recovered from Luke's phone)
.

Corrine Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”


Sandra Lean
“Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you”
[/i]

Sandra Lean has been blagging for years and hasn’t had a full grasp of the case against Mitchell - as is clear from the above
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on March 26, 2021, 03:08:56 PM
Text message from Corrine to Luke Mitchell - 1st July 12.29am


"You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you."
Mrs Mitchell recalled told how she called her son's mobile phone on the evening of the murder to see if Jodi had been found and was told by a police officer to go to Dalkeith Police Station.
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/corinne-mitchell-fights-to-free-her-son-1-1326191

According to evidence heard at trial Luke Mitchell appears to have made 2 phone calls to Corrine - one at 12.31 & another at 12.39

What does Sandra Lean say in her book about the contents of these phone calls?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on March 26, 2021, 04:01:57 PM
According to evidence heard at trial Luke Mitchell appears to have made 2 phone calls to Corrine - one at 12.31 & another at 12.39

What does Sandra Lean say in her book about the contents of these phone calls?

Perhaps if you don’t want to buy Sandra’s book you can request it in your local library.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: mrswah on March 29, 2021, 07:11:18 PM
I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on, but got his voicemail - the timings given in her statement and both her and Luke's phone records all matched up. My point was that the police deliberately lied about Luke "checking his voicemail" when the log is clearly labelled "incoming."

All of the police assertions regarding the phone calls, texts, etc, were put to Luke in the Section 14 interrogation 6 weeks after the murder. By then, the police had the phone logs - they also recovered a text from Corinne to Luke saying, "Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you" (not recovered from Luke's phone)
.

Corrine Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”


Sandra Lean
“Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you”
[/i]


Sandra Lean has been blagging for years and hasn’t had a full grasp of the case against Mitchell - as is clear from the above


She has a better grasp of it than do most people, IMO.

If you haven't read her book, how can you say that she doesn't have a full grasp of the case?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on April 06, 2021, 06:30:55 PM
On the other hand Luke Mitchell was keen to get back to school (2 months after the murder) and went on to pass his exams - seemingly unaffected by any trauma

How many exams did Mitchell pass exactly does anyone know?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 26, 2021, 12:31:07 PM

He said: 'The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi's friend Laura.

They kept asking me about the Eminem song Kim, the song where he fantasises about killing his wife.

'They asked me about the follow- up song in which Eminem sings about the "two of us", meaning him and his daughter. They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi.


Interesting how killer Luke Mitchell mentions to Grace McLean the Eminem song ‘Kim’ but no mention of the other 2 Kim’s?

When did the police question him about Kim and why did he choose to only mention Laura Wightman?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 26, 2021, 12:50:35 PM
How many exams did Mitchell pass exactly does anyone know?


I don't know how many exams he sat or passed. I don't think I've come across that.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+SKIPS+JODI+SCHOOL+AGAIN%3b+Boy+goes+to+work+with+mum.-a0107420191
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 26, 2021, 01:18:46 PM
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+SKIPS+JODI+SCHOOL+AGAIN%3b+Boy+goes+to+work+with+mum.-a0107420191

’Luke, who has been quizzed three times by murder squad detectives, was banned from attending Jodi's funeral on Wednesday by her family.

After refusing to comment on her death, he chose that time to give a TV interview in which he denied murdering her.

On Thursday, he called police to his home claiming he was the victim of a media circus.

Officers left after informing him there were no grounds for action.



 *&^^&
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 26, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
Corinne refers to LM as normal? I guess that depends on our individual ideas of what normal is. LM doesn't seem normal to me but neither does CM.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 27, 2021, 03:32:07 PM
Corinne refers to LM as normal? I guess that depends on our individual ideas of what normal is. LM doesn't seem normal to me but neither does CM.

Corinne Mitchell has never publicly spoken about childhood development and how or why her son Luke was like he was

Around 12:00 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 27, 2021, 10:16:50 PM
Corinne Mitchell has never publicly spoken about childhood development and how or why her son Luke was like he was

Around 12:00 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0

 CM didn't ensure her child got the help his teachers thought he needed. Could her reason for avoidance be guilt?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 27, 2021, 11:02:59 PM
CM didn't ensure her child got the help his teachers thought he needed. Could her reason for avoidance be guilt?

‘Have you ever asked Luke whether he killed Jodi’

CM: ‘No’

20:22 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0

There are many similarities in the Tristyn Bailey murder

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/15/tristyn-bailey-murder-what-aiden-fucci-said-about-their-last-moments-together/
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 27, 2021, 11:19:27 PM
‘Have you ever asked Luke whether he killed Jodi’

CM: ‘No’

20:22 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0

There are many similarities in the Tristyn Bailey murder

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/15/tristyn-bailey-murder-what-aiden-fucci-said-about-their-last-moments-together/

None of us ever really know anyone else or what they're capable of. Some parents like to think they know their children so well they can answer for them. Did your parents know what you were doing at 13/14/15 etc.? Mine didn't know the half of it. Of course she should have asked Luke but I believe she already knew.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: mrswah on August 28, 2021, 12:55:43 PM
I'm not perfect but every time one of my kids gets into any kind of trouble,  the first thing I say is, Did you do it? Tell me the truth because if you don't,  I can't help you. If you did, I'm still  going to do the right thing by you. Granted, they've never been accused of murder but none of us really know anyone else or what they're capable of. Some parents like to think they know their children so well they can answer for them. Rubbish! Did your parents know what you were doing at 13/14/15 etc.? Mine didn't know the half of it. Of course she should have asked but I believe she already knew.

I don't believe she knew (that is, if Luke did actually murder Jodi), and I don't believe she would have been expecting it. I do agree, however, that parents don't, as a rule, know their children as well as they think they do.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 28, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
I don't believe she knew (that is, if Luke did actually murder Jodi), and I don't believe she would have been expecting it. I do agree, however, that parents don't, as a rule, know their children as well as they think they do.

I thought her answer was strange. I expected her to say, I didn't ask him because he was in the kitchen with me mashing tatties.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Hawthorn on August 28, 2021, 05:15:54 PM
I'm sure up all know the racket mashin tatties makes....
It's not a silent eloquent task especially with the typical teenage backround music playin.
Let ye all ponder on that said fact....
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 28, 2021, 06:33:31 PM
I'm sure up all know the racket mashin tatties makes....
It's not a silent eloquent task especially with the typical teenage backround music playin.
Let ye all ponder on that said fact....

Apparently the music was playing in the dining room, Luke was listening  to it from the kitchenyet Shane didn't know anyone else was in the house.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Hawthorn on August 28, 2021, 06:52:10 PM
I knew Shane for a number of years and there was nothing wrong with his hearing.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 28, 2021, 07:47:39 PM
I knew Shane for a number of years and there was nothing wrong with his hearing.

I don't know SM but I'm sure if he'd had a hearing problem we'd all have known about it.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 29, 2021, 11:12:10 PM
Corinne Mitchell has never publicly spoken about childhood development and how or why her son Luke was like he was

Around 12:00 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0

But apparently she believes Luke was a normal. fourteen year old boy. He had a few supposed OCDs CM acknowledges though although the psychologists at the prison missed those we're told. No issues with Luke seemingly. Makes me wonder if some things that can't be explained very easily are brushed off as OCDs. Urinating in bottles, deleting phone data. I can't remember if there was anything else. As for the experts, if you ask a psychologist IF deleting phone data and/or peeing in bottles could be an OCD, of course these things COULD be but it doesn't mean they were. Ask a question in the correct way and there's your answer.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 30, 2021, 12:10:42 AM
I cannot see how Luke Mitchell amassed 20 bottles of urine in his bedroom over 3 or so days following the murder and for them to be linked to some kind of alleged OCD?

I believe he had no such PTSD OCD. He'd been saving them up for a while. People with OCD don't p**s like racehorses because  they have an OCD as far as I'm aware. IMO
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 30, 2021, 02:16:17 AM
I don't believe she knew (that is, if Luke did actually murder Jodi), and I don't believe she would have been expecting it. I do agree, however, that parents don't, as a rule, know their children as well as they think they do.

I have no idea what story LM told his mum but I believe CM knew very quickly what had happened to poor Jodi. I don't know how or where LM's belongings were destroyed but there were garden fires in CM's garden on the 30th June 2003. Fires CM initially denied although there was more than one fire. Whether or not the fires were a distraction and LM's belongings were destroyed elsewhere, I have no idea but I do know CM lied about the burning in her garden. I know because Luke said so.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 30, 2021, 02:17:32 AM
I have no idea what story LM told his mum but I believe CM knew very quickly what had happened to poor Jodi. I don't know how or where LM's belongings were destroyed but there were garden fires in CM's garden on the 30th June 2003 and more than once. Whether or not the fires were a distraction and LM's belongings were destroyed elsewhere, I have no idea but I do know CM lied about the burning in her garden. I know because Luke said so.

Some of LM's neighbours said so too.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 09:25:51 AM
I thought her answer was strange. I expected her to say, I didn't ask him because he was in the kitchen with me mashing tatties.

I suspect if she’d have asked him and his answer was,

‘YES I murdered Jodi’ 

it would have understandably been all too much her to process and deal with

What would having a murderer as a son have done to Corinne Mitchell?


Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 09:30:14 AM
Apparently the music was playing in the dining room, Luke was listening  to it from the kitchenyet Shane didn't know anyone else was in the house.

There simply wasn’t enough time for him to have made a meal for them all - especially going by the timings given
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 09:34:44 AM
But apparently she believes Luke was a normal. fourteen year old boy.

What was ‘normal’ about his TV interview on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral?

Where were his tears?

Where were Corinne’s?

There’s one photo which appears to show Laura in floods but no emotion from the Mitchell’s
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
I believe he had no such PTSD OCD. He'd been saving them up for a while. People with OCD don't p**s like racehorses because  they have an OCD as far as I'm aware. IMO

It certainly appears that way

What did Laura Wightman’s witness statement say regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s habits?

What about his father - did he also pee in bottles when he stayed over at his house?

What did his father and his fathers partner make of his habits? What do their witness statements say?

What about Shane? Does he mention anything about his brother peeing in empty drink bottles?

And where does he say all these empty drinks bottles came from?

Did Corinne save empty drinks bottles?

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 09:55:28 AM
I have no idea what story LM told his mum but I believe CM knew very quickly what had happened to poor Jodi. I don't know how or where LM's belongings were destroyed but there were garden fires in CM's garden on the 30th June 2003. Fires CM initially denied although there was more than one fire. Whether or not the fires were a distraction and LM's belongings were destroyed elsewhere, I have no idea but I do know CM lied about the burning in her garden. I know because Luke said so.

He did

Which also means he lied during his recorded television interview with Sky news
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Angelo222 on August 30, 2021, 12:27:04 PM
Why does anyone even bother with this case anymore?  Even his most ardent supporter and advocate Sandra Lean has felt the need to distance herself from Mitchell.

He murdered Jodi and nothing will change that fact unfortunately.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Rusty on August 30, 2021, 02:27:55 PM
Why does anyone even bother with this case anymore?  Even his most ardent supporter and advocate Sandra Lean has felt the need to distance herself from Mitchell.

He murdered Jodi and nothing will change that fact unfortunately.

Could not agree more.

Lean and the Mitchell's do not get on. SM especially wants nothing to do with them.

Creating drama, for some scraps >> £££££

Recycling the same old stuff time and time again, arguing into the void. Point scoring against anonymous posters.

There will be no more reviews, there will be no more DNA retesting. That ship has sailed.

Luke Mitchell was convicted by majority verdict, nothing will change that.

The evidence was so overwhelming, they could have convicted him 10 times over.

This case is closed.

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 04:17:29 PM
Why does anyone even bother with this case anymore?  Even his most ardent supporter and advocate Sandra Lean has felt the need to distance herself from Mitchell.

He murdered Jodi and nothing will change that fact unfortunately.

Again
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on August 30, 2021, 04:18:01 PM
Could not agree more.

Lean and the Mitchell's do not get on. SM especially wants nothing to do with them.

Creating drama, for some scraps >> £££££

Recycling the same old stuff time and time again, arguing into the void. Point scoring against anonymous posters.

There will be no more reviews, there will be no more DNA retesting. That ship has sailed.

Luke Mitchell was convicted by majority verdict, nothing will change that.

The evidence was so overwhelming, they could have convicted him 10 times over.

This case is closed.

It most certainly is
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
Could not agree more.

Lean and the Mitchell's do not get on. SM especially wants nothing to do with them.

Creating drama, for some scraps >> £££££

Recycling the same old stuff time and time again, arguing into the void. Point scoring against anonymous posters.

There will be no more reviews, there will be no more DNA retesting. That ship has sailed.

Luke Mitchell was convicted by majority verdict, nothing will change that.

The evidence was so overwhelming, they could have convicted him 10 times over.

This case is closed.

You forget that there are people here who know SM and what you say about his relationship with his family simply isn’t true. Makes you wonder why you keep saying it.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Paranoid Android on August 30, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Let's hear more about the close relationships between SM and the rest of the fam, plz.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2021, 07:52:15 PM
Let's hear more about the close relationships between SM and the rest of the fam, plz.

Isn’t a close relationship the default in most families? Surely what should be being asked for is any evidence of a fracture in that relationship? Isn’t that the most logical approach?

Do you have evidence of such a facture?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 31, 2021, 12:32:25 AM
It certainly appears that way

What did Laura Wightman’s witness statement say regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s habits?

What about his father - did he also pee in bottles when he stayed over at his house?

What did his father and his fathers partner make of his habits? What do their witness statements say?

What about Shane? Does he mention anything about his brother peeing in empty drink bottles?

And where does he say all these empty drinks bottles came from?

Did Corinne save empty drinks bottles?

The fact that Shane has had eighteen years to defend his brother but hasn't goes way beyond him wanting to live his own life in complete privacy IMO. Who would let their wee brother do a life sentence if they could truthfully help? Unless they couldn't help for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on August 31, 2021, 12:52:20 AM
Why does anyone even bother with this case anymore?  Even his most ardent supporter and advocate Sandra Lean has felt the need to distance herself from Mitchell.

He murdered Jodi and nothing will change that fact unfortunately.

I agree LM is guilty and that's an end to that or it should be but so many other people have been dragged into this as alternatives, look alikes, possible killers etc. Yeah I'm talking about Kane, J Jones, moped boys and any other male in the vicinity? at the time of Jodi's murder. I don't think that should go unaddressed because the "Campaigners" are still hell bent on blaming anyone other than LM. I'm hell bent they don't get away with that because MK wasn't no one.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: WakeyWakey on August 31, 2021, 08:30:30 PM
I agree LM is guilty and that's an end to that or it should be but so many other people have been dragged into this as alternatives, look alikes, possible killers etc. Yeah I'm talking about Kane, J Jones, moped boys and any other male in the vicinity? at the time of Jodi's murder. I don't think that should go unaddressed because the "Campaigners" are still hell bent on blaming anyone other than LM. I'm hell bent they don't get away with that because MK wasn't no one.

agree. its important, with recent tabloid TV and mumsnet crowd speculation, to provide counterpoint to the obvious BS floating around. the BS isnt harmless, it has led to sustained accusations levelled at innocent people, and an entertainment tv shows narrative becoming prevailing narrative for people new to the case.

important, that, at least in some small corner of the internet where a googling newcomer may find, the lies being thrown around are addressed and laid bare
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 01, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
agree. its important, with recent tabloid TV and mumsnet crowd speculation, to provide counterpoint to the obvious BS floating around. the BS isnt harmless, it has led to sustained accusations levelled at innocent people, and an entertainment tv shows narrative becoming prevailing narrative for people new to the case.

important, that, at least in some small corner of the internet where a googling newcomer may find, the lies being thrown around are addressed and laid bare

‘mumsnet crowd’ ?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Paranoid Android on September 01, 2021, 02:10:53 PM
mumsnet

Nailed it.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 01, 2021, 02:24:43 PM
Nailed it.

Where on ‘mumsnet’ ?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 01, 2021, 11:15:38 PM
He did

Which also means he lied during his recorded television interview with Sky news

Yes he did.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: WakeyWakey on September 03, 2021, 12:53:08 AM
Where on ‘mumsnet’ ?

Sorry was being facetious. More a comment on the passively researched busybody natue of newcomers to the case.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on September 03, 2021, 08:18:04 AM
Sorry was being facetious. More a comment on the passively researched busybody natue of newcomers to the case.

How do you explain the likes of Johnny boy Steele and co backing this sadistic murderer ?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: WakeyWakey on September 15, 2021, 07:16:41 PM
How do you explain the likes of Johnny boy Steele and co backing this sadistic murderer ?

seems to me that there are also those with long standing grievances against police, the crown, the justice system in general, who would support any cause if there was a chance to get one over on them
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 15, 2021, 09:07:51 PM
seems to me that there are also those with long standing grievances against police, the crown, the justice system in general, who would support any cause if there was a chance to get one over on them

Or perhaps he just knows a thing or two more than we do about how corrupt the police can be and how that can skew the evidence in a case?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 10:55:17 PM
seems to me that there are also those with long standing grievances against police, the crown, the justice system in general, who would support any cause if there was a chance to get one over on them
  You are totally correct in your observation of Johnny boy Steele.  He's kicking out at system that rightly so incarcerated him for years . He's now claiming that a child killer is innocent and we should take his word for it? Was he ever in prison with Mitchell? If he was ,was he on protection too and why!?  As Mitchell has always been on protection if Steele was so close and personal with him to believe he is innocent Steele must've spent lot of time with him so he must've been on protection too!   Why? If Steele had been convicted of all crimes he had committed while in Peterhead prison he would never have been given freedom. That's who Mitchell has saying he's innocent.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 15, 2021, 11:08:52 PM
  You are totally correct in your observation of Johnny boy Steele.  He's kicking out at system that rightly so incarcerated him for years . He's now claiming that a child killer is innocent and we should take his word for it? Was he ever in prison with Mitchell? If he was ,was he on protection too and why!?  As Mitchell has always been on protection if Steele was so close and personal with him to believe he is innocent Steele must've spent lot of time with him so he must've been on protection too!   Why? If Steele had been convicted of all crimes he had committed while in Peterhead prison he would never have been given freedom. That's who Mitchell has saying he's innocent.

Yeah. Johnny Steele has never been a proven miscarriage of justice,  has he?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 11:10:48 PM
Or perhaps he just knows a thing or two more than we do about how corrupt the police can be and how that can skew the evidence in a case?
Oh give over! Johnny boy Steele worked the system and skewed evidence more than any bent copper ever did!
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 15, 2021, 11:14:37 PM
Oh give over! Johnny boy Steele worked the system and skewed evidence more than any bent copper ever did!

And you have a greater knowledge of the Scottish judicial system than th judge’s sitting in the Court of Appeal….of course you do dear ( pats head ).
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 15, 2021, 11:17:22 PM
Oh give over! Johnny boy Steele worked the system and skewed evidence more than any bent copper ever did!

You've hit a nerve, "dear,"  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 11:21:01 PM
And you have a greater knowledge of the Scottish judicial system than th judge’s sitting in the Court of Appeal….of course you do dear ( pats head ). When was the Judges of appeal court sitting in a hearing for Johnny boy Steele?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 11:24:11 PM

when exactly was it that appeal judges sat in a hearing for Johnny boy steele?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 15, 2021, 11:27:14 PM
when exactly was it that appeal judges sat in a hearing for Johnny boy steele?

Doesn't JS still remain convicted of all offences be was convicted of?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 11:27:44 PM

I have indeed! I've forgotten more about Johnny boy steele than Faithlilly will ever know. If he/she thinks he's key to proving Mitchell's innocence well bigger fool than anyone could imagine.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 15, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
Doesn't JS still remain convicted of all offences be was convicted of?
Yes he does, he's never sat in appeal court and had conviction overturned! . He's also guilty of lot of crimes committed in Peterhead Prison that he was never convicted of . Sadly that was in pre cctv era.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 15, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
Yes he does, he's never sat in appeal court and had conviction overturned! . He's also guilty of lot of crimes committed in Peterhead Prison that he was never convicted of . Sadly that was in pre cctv era.

Bizarre choice to almost spearhead the campaign of a supposedly innocent prisoner. Sounds like the usual bandwagon. Anyone is welcome on board as long as they're a "believer."
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 12:02:01 AM
Bizarre choice to almost spearhead the campaign of a supposedly innocent prisoner. Sounds like the usual bandwagon. Anyone is welcome on board as long as they're a "believer."
It certainly is a bizzare choice . I certainly wouldn't want Johnny boy Steele fighting for me.  He would do more harm than good if he was properly researched, and that's just what's known about him! I do believe Faithlilly hasn't done proper research and thinks that Steele brother backing Mitchell's campaign is one that did get conviction overtrurned in appeal court!  That's how good her research is!
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 12:16:04 AM
when exactly was it that appeal judges sat in a hearing for Johnny boy steele?

Apologies I thought you were referring to Joe Steele who also supports Luke’s innocence.

I’d never hear of John Steele but fair play to him for turning his life around.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 12:19:12 AM
It certainly is a bizzare choice . I certainly wouldn't want Johnny boy Steele fighting for me.  He would do more harm than good if he was properly researched, and that's just what's known about him! I do believe Faithlilly hasn't done proper research and thinks that Steele brother backing Mitchell's campaign is one that did get conviction overtrurned in appeal court!  That's how good her research is!

Why would I have researched John Steele? Apart from supporting Luke he has nothing to do with this case.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 12:28:17 AM
Apologies I thought you were referring to Joe Steele who also supports Luke’s innocence.

I’d never hear of John Steele but fair play to him for turning his life around. That's interesting.  When did Joe ateele start backing Mitchells case?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 12:32:28 AM
Why would I have researched John Steele? Apart from supporting Luke he has nothing to do with this case.
Oh surely if someone was backing you or your clients case case both you and your client would want them researched. ? No one would want someone that would do more harm than good backing them. Totall incompetence.  The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 16, 2021, 12:35:59 AM
I’m sure you have Mrs S. Which one of your relatives were in prison with him?

 you're off topic and whilst I'm not a moderator, you're still off topic regardless. What about the murder of Jodi Jones by her then boyfriend,  Luke Mitchell?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 12:38:57 AM
Oh surely if someone was backing you or your clients case case both you and your client would want them researched. ? No one would want someone that would do more harm than good backing them. Totall incompetence.  The mind boggles.

Firstly that doesn’t explain why you think that I should have researched John Steele and secondly you can’t chose who supports you, and researching them won’t change that.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 12:41:05 AM
Any more of a wit and you would be a half wit!

Which doesn’t answer the question.

No matter, I’ll just guess.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 12:41:38 AM
Firstly that doesn’t explain why you think that I should have researched John Steele and secondly you can’t chose who supports you, and researching them won’t change that.
when did Joe steele  start backing Mitchell ?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 16, 2021, 12:41:54 AM
Firstly that doesn’t explain why you think that I should have researched John Steele and secondly you can’t chose who supports you, and researching them won’t change that.

No one suggested you should have researched John Steele! You said yourself you got the Steele brothers mixed up. That's no one else's fault. Do you think LM was a normal fourteen year old?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
Which doesn’t answer the question.

No matter, I’ll just guess.
You guess all you want It will be wrong!   Not one of my relatives was in prison with Johnny boy steele!  But hey I was a turnkey in peterhead prison . Was rookie there and got trained by people who knew him inside out. so yes I have forgotten more about Johnny boy steele than you'll ever know.  Do your research ! He's not going to help mitchell one bit.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 12:55:40 AM
You guess all you want It will be wrong!   Not one of my relatives was in prison with Johnny boy steele!  But hey I was a turnkey in peterhead prison . Was rookie there and got trained by people who knew him inside out. so yes I have forgotten more about Johnny boy steele than you'll ever know.  Do your research ! He's not going to help mitchell one bit.

And I was the governor.

Of course only new evidence will help Luke now. Didn’t you know that?

Hey ho another evening of knowledge sharing comes to an end.

Sleep tight all.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 16, 2021, 12:57:58 AM
And I was the governor.

Of course only new evidence will help Luke now. Didn’t you know that?

Hey ho another evening of knowledge sharing comes to an end.

Sleep tight all.
Of course we know, faithlilly and we're still waiting for new evidence.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 01:01:07 AM
And I was the governor.

Of course only new evidence will help Luke now. Didn’t you know that?

Hey ho another evening of knowledge sharing comes to an end.

Sleep tight all.
  Hahaha  as I've said any more of wit you would be a half wit!   Is Mitchell still in isolation because of covid? Or are you not privy to that info now?
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 16, 2021, 01:05:42 AM
  Hahaha  as I've said any more of wit you would be a half wit!   Is Mitchell still in isolation because of covid? Or are you not privy to that info now?

I believe LM is on protection for his own safety and always has been. Why would he not be? Not a normal teenager,  not a normal man, not a normal mind. I don't need a cite for that. He's already been given a life sentence.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 01:13:46 AM
I believe LM is on protection for his own safety and always has been. Why would he not be? Not a normal teenager,  not a normal man, not a normal mind. I don't need a cite for that. He's already been given a life sentence.
Mitchell always has been and always will be on protection.  SPS  has duty to protect him he will always be on protection.  Isolation through covid is different.  Its Isolation in cell because covid is on wing. Just clarifying difference.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Mrs S on September 16, 2021, 01:22:34 AM
Apologies I thought you were referring to Joe Steele who also supports Luke’s innocence.

I’d never hear of John Steele but fair play to him for turning his life around.
If you've never heard of him how would you know if he's turned his life around? 
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Dexter on September 16, 2021, 09:25:44 AM
If you've never heard of him how would you know if he's turned his life around?  Your lies speak for themself  No wonder Mitchell ditched you.

 @)(++(*

 Nasty comments don't make you an expert on anything.

Faithlilly is Sandra Lean yes of course she / he isn't.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 10:34:42 AM
@)(++(*

You don't know as much as you claim. Nasty comments don't make you an expert on anything.

Faithlilly is Sandra Lean yes of course she / he isn't.

Yes I’m Sandra Lean and so is my wife ( a small homage to Monty Python’s Life of Brian )
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: faithlilly on September 16, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
If you've never heard of him how would you know if he's turned his life around?  Your lies speak for themself  No wonder Mitchell ditched you.

Have you heard of Google?

Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: rulesapply on September 18, 2021, 11:41:02 PM
If you've never heard of him how would you know if he's turned his life around?

The Steeles apart, back to the real person in question, LM has ALWAYS been on protection from day 1 despite the ramblings the SL fans are fed. I'm not sure how that particular lie by some LM supporters declaring LM is a popular prisoner benefits because LM cannot be popular if he requires protection from other inmates. Let's face it, I agree that he's on protection. Protected by prison officers so he's under threat from other prisoners. No one else because there isn't anyone else in prison.
Title: Re: Corinne Mitchell refers to son Luke as normal?
Post by: Nicholas on March 16, 2022, 01:00:46 AM

CM: The plan was he had arranged with Judi that he would meet Judi at their house to go over friends phone numbers that Judi probably would have...... so Luke said he would go and meet Judi at her house and go over all the friends but what confuses us is what the phone records show she never phoned any of her friends. She phoned the granny and that was all she phoned but anyhoo that was the plan but when Luke got to the top of the path the other 3 members were already there and we have no idea how they got there that fast. No idea.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

The lies are never ending

’Kirsten's mum Carol said: 'Jodi's mum phoned the night she went missing to ask if Jodi was at our house’

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558