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Offline John

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #180 on: November 09, 2017, 12:05:05 PM »
Bulgaria appears to come up quite a lot in the case, could it all be just one big coincidence?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline Carana

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #181 on: November 09, 2017, 02:58:06 PM »
The handwritten note seems longer than that.

Was that your translation Carana?

Not a translation, just a summary.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #182 on: November 09, 2017, 06:26:40 PM »
Not a translation, just a summary.
I have asked a translator to give me a true full translation but I can't guarantee to get a response.  Are you capable?
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Offline Carana

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #183 on: November 09, 2017, 08:08:36 PM »
Ah. A bit I missed, trying to read the note upside down was that she apparently saw "Maddie" with them. You can work out the English around that...

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #184 on: November 09, 2017, 08:54:28 PM »
Ah. A bit I missed, trying to read the note upside down was that she apparently saw "Maddie" with them. You can work out the English around that...
Probably not.  I'll wait till I get a translation from Laura Rachana who is a "professional translator" I've been told.
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Offline Carana

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #185 on: November 09, 2017, 10:43:53 PM »
Probably not.  I'll wait till I get a translation from Laura Rachana who is a "professional translator" I've been told.

I meant the English report on which the note in Portuguese was placed.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #186 on: November 10, 2017, 12:25:28 AM »
I meant the English report on which the note in Portuguese was placed.
The page comes from http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_MOBILE.htm

The bit s that are visible:
Leicestershire Constabulary

Subject : Mrs Jennifer CONROY (N1309
Date : 23rd August 2007
_________________________
Sir,

Thi........................................(Jenn?)ifer CONROY (016236xxxxx)
wis........................................
She......................................(r?)elation to a sighting of
Ma(d?)...................................She is adamant that she saw
Ma(d?)...................................a male and two females and
beli.......................................
She......................................per concerning the Madeleine
enq......................................d as Russell O'BRIEN and Jane
TA.......................................(w?)ith Madeleine at Varna Airport,
with.....................................(d?)er only reservations are that if
Rus.....................................(m?)ale at the Airport and,
obvi....................................it could not have been them
with.....................................
Mrs......................................(ex?)pert at portraits, her
emp.....................................(t?)o detail most of her working life.
She......................................Airport and supported this by
conf.....................................o had a mannerism of biting her
lip, (a?)...................................
I hav(e?)................................es to a message taken from Mrs.
CON(ROY?)...........................(r?)efers to the Airport sighting but
puts.....................................(s?)poken to at length by DC 317
LAN......................................(st?)ating, This is a well meaning
call.......................................(val?)idity in the sighting".

I don't think we have enough information to fill in the blanks.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #187 on: November 10, 2017, 06:49:40 AM »
Possible Translation Error in Jez Wilkins rogatory statement involving the lady in purple.
From what I understand ATM is that Jez saw Jane more or less outside her apartment but Jennifer Murat saw the lady in purple on the road going to the supermarket. OK the two roads are close by each other, but it doesn't mean at this stage they are the one and the same person.

Jez Wilkins states: " I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner."
Also later he says:
"Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple."
I have a feeling ATM that this phrase "She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments" is a translation error, and to make the top and bottom descriptions mean the same it should read "She was standing on the carriageway in front of one of the group's apartments"
"Carriageway" rather than "street".
Whatever Jez said in English originally has been translated twice for us to see it.
Firstly the person taking the statement has to understand what Jez was saying, it then got translated to Portuguese for the PJ to read it and after the file is released it was translated back to English for us.

Yes but he only signs the original English one, not the two that follow on from that.
Like Jez hasn't gone on the http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ site and said the translations we see are perfect does he.

So this bit about where Jez sees the lady needs correcting IMO but I'm not an official translator, but the two parts of the statement by Jez are contradictory for in one she is outside an apartment and the other she is on the road.

Twice in Jez' statement have they translated what should be "car park" as road IMO.   A similar error is made in two places .
"Could be she could be near the apartment yet standing next to the road" but where is Jez in relation to this other person? Is she on his right as I imagine it to be, or his left if she was on the road.
There is a fence at the boundary. Which side of the fence was she on?

Jez states:
" Eventually, I left one road to the other side of the street to the pool complex, between the McCann apartment and the Tapas Bar. In order to visualise this street, I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies and journalists as all the parked cars indicated during the coverage period."
This bit "I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies .."

There is no street there it is drive-in car park not a named street IMO
That is why I think there is a translation error involving Jane Tanner.
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Offline misty

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #188 on: November 10, 2017, 09:07:19 PM »
Perhaps Bulgarian man who started work at 8pm cleaning the pool area was in cahoots with purple Bulgarian woman on the street corner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_723.jpg

Offline Carana

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #189 on: November 10, 2017, 09:44:55 PM »
The page comes from http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_MOBILE.htm

The bit s that are visible:
Leicestershire Constabulary

Subject : Mrs Jennifer CONROY (N1309
Date : 23rd August 2007
_________________________
Sir,

Thi........................................(Jenn?)ifer CONROY (016236xxxxx)
wis........................................
She......................................(r?)elation to a sighting of
Ma(d?)...................................She is adamant that she saw
Ma(d?)...................................a male and two females and
beli.......................................
She......................................per concerning the Madeleine
enq......................................d as Russell O'BRIEN and Jane
TA.......................................(w?)ith Madeleine at Varna Airport,
with.....................................(d?)er only reservations are that if
Rus.....................................(m?)ale at the Airport and,
obvi....................................it could not have been them
with.....................................
Mrs......................................(ex?)pert at portraits, her
emp.....................................(t?)o detail most of her working life.
She......................................Airport and supported this by
conf.....................................o had a mannerism of biting her
lip, (a?)...................................
I hav(e?)................................es to a message taken from Mrs.
CON(ROY?)...........................(r?)efers to the Airport sighting but
puts.....................................(s?)poken to at length by DC 317
LAN......................................(st?)ating, This is a well meaning
call.......................................(val?)idity in the sighting".

I don't think we have enough information to fill in the blanks.

I noted this it in particular:
"This is a well meaning..."

I understand that to mean that the person really thought that it could have been them, but that it wasn't.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #190 on: November 10, 2017, 10:05:13 PM »
Perhaps Bulgarian man who started work at 8pm cleaning the pool area was in cahoots with purple Bulgarian woman on the street corner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_723.jpg

He worked hard, didn't he? Nine till six as a car painter in Lagos, then eight till twelve washing up at the Ocean Club.
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Offline misty

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #191 on: November 10, 2017, 10:37:14 PM »
He worked hard, didn't he? Nine till six as a car painter in Lagos, then eight till twelve washing up at the Ocean Club.

Yes, like many Eastern Europeans he doesn't appear to shy away from a hard day's work. I wonder if he drove to OC?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #192 on: November 10, 2017, 11:04:11 PM »
Yes, like many Eastern Europeans he doesn't appear to shy away from a hard day's work. I wonder if he drove to OC?

Do you fancy him as the stoppo driver/wheelman who morphed into Mr Wetpants in "The Sadies Theory" Thread?
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Offline misty

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #193 on: November 10, 2017, 11:07:53 PM »
Do you fancy him as the stoppo driver/wheelman who morphed into Mr Wetpants in "The Sadies Theory" Thread?

No, because he was working at the time. It did, however, occur to me that any OC employee with a vehicle could have easily hidden a bound-and-gagged child in the boot before later driving away.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Maddie cops pursue mysterious woman in purple?
« Reply #194 on: November 10, 2017, 11:26:53 PM »
No, because he was working at the time. It did, however, occur to me that any OC employee with a vehicle could have easily hidden a bound-and-gagged child in the boot before later driving away.

It does not have to be an OC employee.
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