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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #405 on: November 08, 2018, 09:20:06 AM »
Maybe he wasnt lying. Why did everyone else connected to Jodi have the opportunity to chat and change their version of events on many occasions when they 'remembered' something

The same was not extended to Luke or his family... no anything that was remembered there was just another step towards proving Luke's guilt!

Compare the lies you think the Brother told to the conflicting info given by ALL the others. It may just look quite different to you

Luke Mitchell has been convicted of [Name removed]'s murder, no one else!

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #406 on: November 08, 2018, 09:21:35 AM »
Changes of witness statements aside;

WHY didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brother Luke's alibi in court?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

jixy

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Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #407 on: November 08, 2018, 09:22:45 AM »
Luke Mitchell has been convicted of [Name removed]'s murder, no one else!

Wow... thanks for that.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #408 on: November 08, 2018, 09:23:55 AM »
*&^^& no it wasnt...

If we cannot rely on a 'Campaigner' who has written a book about the case, where do you get your inside knowledge from then?

You are wrong

No it wasn't what?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

jixy

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Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #409 on: November 08, 2018, 09:25:03 AM »
Changes of witness statements aside;

WHY didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brother Luke's alibi in court?


Change of witness statements aside? oh yes because that wouldnt lead to a miscarriage of justice would it? Do you have any idea just how much the info changed? You clearly do not

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #410 on: November 08, 2018, 09:25:21 AM »
*&^^& no it wasnt...

If we cannot rely on a 'Campaigner' who has written a book about the case, where do you get your inside knowledge from then?

You are wrong

What are you referring to?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #411 on: November 08, 2018, 09:27:12 AM »
Wow... thanks for that.

WHY didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brother Luke's alibi in court
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

jixy

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Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #412 on: November 08, 2018, 09:32:14 AM »
What are you referring to?

You seem to have all the knowledge about the case but stated clearly we cannot rely on anything a campaigner writes in a book. You know the same campaigner who has read all the paperwork connected to the case

Just wonder what access you had that was so different to make you see things clearer that anyone else?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #413 on: November 08, 2018, 09:32:58 AM »

Change of witness statements aside? oh yes because that wouldnt lead to a miscarriage of justice would it? Do you have any idea just how much the info changed? You clearly do not

In an ideal world witnesses would have photographic memories and their default setting regarding giving evidence, would be based on honesty.

Why didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brothers alibi during his brothers MURDER trial?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #414 on: November 08, 2018, 09:34:09 AM »
You seem to have all the knowledge about the case but stated clearly we cannot rely on anything a campaigner writes in a book. You know the same campaigner who has read all the paperwork connected to the case

Just wonder what access you had that was so different to make you see things clearer that anyone else?

As we have already been advised, the topic needs to stay discussing Luke and his case. Not Sandra or Simon Hall. It was going nicely and we are looking forward to keeping on topic to discuss further
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #415 on: November 08, 2018, 09:40:47 AM »
You seem to have all the knowledge about the case but stated clearly we cannot rely on anything a campaigner writes in a book. You know the same campaigner who has read all the paperwork connected to the case

Just wonder what access you had that was so different to make you see things clearer that anyone else?

One simple question;

Why didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brothers alibi during trial?

He had options available to him which included lying or telling the truth.

Why didn't he say his brother was home? Why didn't he tell the jury when asked; "yes Luke was home with me and therefore could not have murdered [Name removed].
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #416 on: November 08, 2018, 09:47:19 AM »
"THE brother of Jodi Jones murder accused Luke Mitchell today admitted discussing his police statement with his mother before telling police Luke was in the family’s house on the day the schoolgirl was killed. In a statement given to police on July 7, 2003, Shane Mitchell said he recalled seeing his brother in the kitchen "mashing tatties". The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes". But the jury previously heard that when Shane was questioned by police on April 14 last year he said he had not seen Luke in the house on the evening of June 30, 2003, and that he had been looking at pornography on his computer in his bedroom. Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury. In his statement he told police that he remembered his mother’s car being in the driveway and the front door being open. His statement continued: "I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open. "Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him. "He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been." The court heard that Shane then went upstairs to log on to his computer but was called down for dinner by Luke five minutes later. Mr Turnbull asked Mr Mitchell: "I want to understand how it came to be that you make this reference to police about mashing tatties." Mr Turnbull then read out to the court the section of Mrs Mitchell’s statement given on the previous day to Shane’s. She said in her statement: "When I got home Luke was in the kitchen first of all. Luke then strained the potatoes and mashed them. At that point I think Shane came in and I could smell the pies in the oven and I asked one of them to take them out, commenting that Luke had overdone them." Mr Turnbull then asked Mr Mitchell: "When you came to give your statement the very next day it includes reference to you saying that Luke was mashing the tatties and there being a burning smell." Mr Mitchell agreed. Mr Turnbull then asked: "How can it be you gave information to police which was incorrect and then give information about mashing tatties and burnt pies. "Before you gave that statement did you discuss with anyone what you should say to police?" Mr Mitchell replied: "In a way." Mr Turnbull said: "Who". Alex Salmond sexual misconduct case comes to Court of Session Mitchell replied: "My mother." Mr Mitchell then admitted he had been affected by this discussion with his mother. "If it had not been for that discussion with your mother would you have been able to give any of this evidence to police?" Mr Turnbull asked. "Not really," replied Mr Mitchell. Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied: "She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again.’" Mr Mitchell told the court that he was "extremely shaken" when he gave his statement to police

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/luke-s-brother-admits-mum-aided-evidence-1-958502
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline justsaying

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #417 on: November 08, 2018, 09:50:11 AM »
One simple question;

Why didn't Shane Mitchell corroborate his brothers alibi during trial?

He had options available to him which included lying or telling the truth.

Why didn't he say his brother was home? Why didn't he tell the jury when asked; "yes Luke was home with me and therefore could not have murdered [Name removed].

Probably because he was threatened with legal action if he gave his version of what he believed to be the truth.

Offline justsaying

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #418 on: November 08, 2018, 09:53:56 AM »
The case of the prosecution is a theory of events. A theory of events often relied on by witnesses whose recollection of events can be sketchy or in some cases based on lies in order to protect themselves/others, family members.etc

When CCTV/photographic evidence isn't available for example, the prosecution have no option but to rely on witness evidence. This evidence can and does change before a trial.

In an ideal world witnesses would have photographic memories and their default setting regarding giving evidence, would be based on honesty.

Witness statements can be added too if something relevant is remembered, but certain witness statements were not just added too, they were clearly changed to support the prosecution theory. For example, the dogs reaction at the V in the wall being changed to "it did not react at all" - So it was ok for others to change their statements, but not Luke's brother, who had simply forgot what they had for tea that night.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is Luke Mitchell guilty - your views
« Reply #419 on: November 08, 2018, 10:00:17 AM »
Probably because he was threatened with legal action if he gave his version of what he believed to be the truth.

What does Shane Mitchell say?

What is his reason for answering the way he did during his brothers MURDER trial?

Why would the threat of legal action matter to him; he wasn't on trial for murder, his brother was!
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation