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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010. => Topic started by: [...] on May 09, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
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With the twists and turns in this case and trying to understand each persons role, I was trying to assertain what they did in the papers in the case and if they still are in those position or maybe promoted after their role in The Joanna Yeates Case...
I started to think about this more as I have a great difficulty in even finding certain individuals reported in the media at the time.... And coming across people I wasn't even aware of...
Each had an Important Role in the Case... And by having somewhere to discuss this I believe it will make it easier for new readers who may not know much about the case to see what their roles where....
I thought I would start with a list of names then move to see where they are today... I will do a post on each of the individuals to put thing into perspective... So many names easy to forget who they are and the part they played.. Or how they were connected to the investigation..
(1): DCI Phil Jones
(2): DI Joe Goff
(3): DI Andrew Mott
(4): DI Karen Thomas
(5): Forensics Officer Martin Faithful.
(6): Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford
(7): The Head of The Complex Crime Unit Anne Reddrop
(8): DC Mark Luther
(9): PC Steve Archer
(10): Salvation Army Chaplain Brotherton
(11): QC Peter Cook
(12): QC William Clegg
(13): QC Kelcey
(14): Tanja Nickson
(15): Lyndsey Lennen
(16): Dr Delaney
(17): Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders
(18): DC Geoffrey Colvin
(19): DCI Gareth Bevan
(20): Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police, Darren Bane
(21): Tarique Ghaffur, a former head of Scotland Yard's homicide command
(22): Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson
(23): Dr White
(24): PC Anneleise Jackson,
(25): Detective Constable Simon Mills
(26): Ray Palmer Forensic Science Services (Principle Forensic Scientist)
(27): DC Simon Mills
(28): QC Lickey
(29): Dr Kelly Sheridan
(30): Steve Allen, Managing Director of LGC Forensics,
(31); AMANDA HIRST, Head of Corporate Communications at Avon and Somerset
(32): Darren Bane Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police,
(33): Scott Fulton, Head of E-services for Avon and Somerset Police
(34): ACC Hansen, the Chief Constable and the Head of CCD ( as reported by DCI Phil Jones in the Leveson
Inquiry) (Gold Commander )
(35): Chief Super Colin Port
(36): DC Richard Barnston,
(37): DC Paul Derrick
(38): Dr Jenifer Miller
(39): Lyndsey Farmery
(40): DCI Brennan ...... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg420152#msg420152
(41): Martin Dunscombe... Corporate Communications Officer
(42): South West One... IBM Company/ Contract with Avon and Somerset Police..
(43): Inspector David Horwood... Avon and Somerset Police.
(44): Hookie..(Police nickname) The Bald Police Officer at Peter Stanleys house.. "DC Jonathan Hook"
(45): DC Emma Davies
(46): Dr Karl Harrison
(47): DC Mills
(48): Paul Catton (Forensics?? Police??)
Ok.. to start with here is my list... I will edit it when I find more..... But for the moment I will post this and then do a post on each of their roles ...... I'll probably start with the less known people in this list...
If any one know any other person involved just post their names .......
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(26): Ray Palmer....
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Wed, Jan 5, 2011
Ray Palmer, the Service’s principal forensic scientist, said: “Fibres are particularly important when the body is deposited away from the murder place.
Whilst looking for Ray Palmer I believe he may have done the FIBRE Analysis as it is part of his field..... I am not 100% sure if he did any analysis or because as he could have stopped working as Principal Forensic Scientist by 2010 as quoted below... The Article was published Wed, Jan 5, 2011... I wondered if they talked to him at the scene or had just asked his advice... not sure... Or was he at Canygne Road using the Laser equipment??
Forensic Science Service Ltd – under threat from economic cuts – revealed that lasers are used to “show evidence of a clean-up”, possibly showing whiter areas that may have been specifically cleaned.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/221187/Joanna-Yeates-Crucial-work-of-forensic-teams
I am a former employee of the Forensic Science Service (1985–2010), where latterly my position was that of Principal Forensic Scientist.
I am presently employed by Northumbria University as a Senior Lecturer and Programme Leader in Forensic Science. I am also a member of the Northumbria University Centre for Forensic Science (NUCFS) who I understand will be submitting a collective response.
The following response is based upon my own observations, thoughts and experience of the FSS closure and may or may not reflect the views of my colleagues.
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmsctech/610/610vw12.htm
Ray Palmer may have had a bigger role with this case, but I do not know if he was brought to trial... (I may be mistaken).. He wrote this PDF which I haven't managed to obtain.. but I'll post the link.. It may pertain to Joanna Yeates..
R. Palmer, G. Polwarth, 2011. The persistence of fibres on skin in an outdoor deposition crime scene scenario. Science & Justice, 10 May 2011 (10.1016/j.scijus.2011.04.001)
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NUCFS - Centre for Forensic Science hasn't uploaded this paper.
http://www.academia.edu/1074661/R._Palmer_G._Polwarth_2011._The_persistence_of_fibres_on_skin_in_an_outdoor_deposition_crime_scene_scenario._Science_and_Justice_10_May_2011_10.1016_j.scijus.2011.04.001_
Was Ray Palmer the Forensic Scientist who tested the black coat fibres???
Another publication states that the FFS were not involved with the Investigation at the bottom of their article..
The fibres examined in many cases are made up of the components of a thread – quite often invisible to the naked eye and unique to one person.
http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-experts-continue-to-examine-canynge-road-properties-12949/
Again... They were also thought to be employing vaporised superglue, which reacts with
natural chemicals contained in sweat to produce a perfect white fingerprint.
Fibres found on textiles in the properties will also be studied.
Forensics expert Ray Palmer said: “They can give an indication of whether two
people were in contact.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/289435/jos-body-was-missing-one-sock/
But then a find a spanner thrown in the works and go back to believing he had some connection to the case..
Jun 16, 2015 00:00 BST
Northumbria’s forensic science courses are taught by former practitioners who have worked on high-profile cases including the Stephen Lawrence, Joanna Yeates and PC Ian Broadhurst murders, as well as the Ipswich serial killer case in which five women were murdered over a ten-day period in 2006.
http://newsroom.northumbria.ac.uk/pressreleases/hair-and-textiles-go-under-the-microscope-at-gathering-of-forensic-science-specialists-1194413
He does various talks.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKB6eElsH3U
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(29): Dr Kelly Sheridan
The only reason I found her was because she had had published various articles which state she worked on the Joanna Yeates case...
Kelly joined the teaching staff at Northumbria University in 2013 after 7 years with LGC Forensics. Kelly was formerly employed as a Senior Reporter in the Marks and Trace department, and a specialist advisor to the Cold Case team for cases involving the potential transfer of textile fibres. She has dealt with a number of high profile cases, including the murders of Stephen Lawrence and Joanna Yeates and given expert testimony in court on a number of occasions.
Did she testify in court????
http://www.nucfs.ac.uk/person/dr-kelly-sheridan-3/
Article
Palmer, Ray, Burnett, Elisabeth, Luff, Natalie, Wagner, Craig, Stinga, Georgia, Carney, Clare and Sheridan, Kelly (2015) The prevalence of two ‘commonly’ encountered synthetic target fibres within a large urban environment. Science & Justice, 55 (2). pp. 103-106. ISSN 1355-0306
She has a Connection to Ray Palmer which drew my interest to her ...
http://nrl.northumbria.ac.uk/view/creators/Sheridan=3AKelly=3A=3A.html
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(5): Forensics Officer Martin Faithfull.
The jury was shown images of the snow-covered body as forensic officer, Martin Faithfull, described the operation to retrieve her body.
I was surprised about this Forensics Officer... he must have been with Andrew Mott.... He confirms that the body was thawing..
Mr Faithfull told the court how the forensic team had made efforts to prevent Miss Yeates frozen body from thawing out, in order to avoid losing any potentially significant evidence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html
Later I discovered that Forensic Officer Martin Faithfull is a PC.....
23 Jun 2016
The officers have all completed over 20 years in service, and each received a scroll outlining their personal service history.
They included: • PC Martin Faithful from Nailsea
http://www.chardandilminsternews.co.uk/news/somerset_news/14576503.Bravery__long_service__good_conduct_and_dedication_commended_by_Avon_and_Somerset_Police/
PC Martin Faithfull is part of the beat team at Redwood..
http://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/news/all-change-for-police-beat-teams-1-4043815
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(22): Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson
There is very little known about Nurse Ruth Pearson.... I have searched and cannot find much... she was originally mentioned in a tweet at the time of the trial..
richardpayneitv (Richard Payne)
Read statement from nurse Ruth Booth-Pearson, examined Tabak. He now head in hands in court, head bowed.
I found this here... this forum was posting tweets as they happened as they were following the trial ...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?151762-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-Dec-2010-15/page9&styleid=21
skynewsgatherer (Harriet Tolputt)
Tabak told the nurse he was normally "happy" and had no previous mental health problems.
Is this how they determined Dr Vincent Tabak's health?? Your Not going to divulge information to a stranger straight away! (IMO)
It's always a statement that is read out... why are these people NOT in court....
This from Harriet Tolputt 6 minutes ago:
"The nurse found a 6x1 cm scar with scab on his left arm and a bruised toe nail."
No doubt from slipping on the snow.
With information like that why did she not make a personal appearance to give her expert opinion as to the age of the scar and how and why Dr Vincent Tabak had come to have such a scar... You would have thought more would have been made of such an injury...
I don't even know if Dr Vincent Tabak was ever asked how the injury happened ?? But with the statement being made in court and no one to cross examine... the jury will make their own decision about the scar...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?151762-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-December-2010-15/page9&styleid=21
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(33): Scott Fulton, Head of E-services for Avon and Somerset Police
Little is mentioned about Scott Fulton's role in this enquiry and I would have hoped that as the head of E sevices he would have given a statement at least with reagrds this case ...
Proactive and Reactive Digital Communications
Scott Fulton
Scott is the Head of eServices for Avon and Somerset Police. He has over 15 years experience
managing digital services in the police service. His team’s work has been recognised and
awarded for best practice at a national level, receiving Home Offi ce and international recognition,
for example their in house development of TrackMyCrime.
https://www.lincs.police.uk/media/130036/pp56-police-communicators-course.pdf
Scott Fulton, head of e-services for the force, said: "Social media is growing rapidly and has become a daily factor in most people's routine.
"On this inquiry alone we have had shares of the story from the force's Facebook page of 24,220. Additionally there have been over 63,000 views of the news updates on our website, a further 18,000 on the dedicated Jo page and over 70,000 views of the CCTV clips on our YouTube channel.
What involvement with the CCTV Footage did Scott Fulton have, as the head of e- services ??
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/joanna-yeates-murder-police-launch-facebook-plea-2175687.html
EDIT.....
Head of Digital Services (Agile Product Manager)
Company Name6000+ Employee Company
Dates EmployedOct 2009 – Present Employment Duration7 yrs 8 mos
LocationBristol, United Kingdom
He seems like he's an independant ....
n addition to my current day job, I was nominated to lead and advise on national social media strategy due to my recognised achievements in digital engagement and social media marketing.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/fultons/
I was under the impression that he actually worked and was a Policeman... but that isn't the case...
Tracy Hayler MBA
Change Management and Strategic Development specialist
February 13, 2009, Tracy was senior to Scott but didn’t manage directly
Scott is an outstanding manager of internet services. He has led the development of the Avon and Somerset Constabulary, and Police Authority eServices, to high acclaim.
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(26): Ray Palmer....
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Wed, Jan 5, 2011
Whilst looking for Ray Palmer I believe he may have done the FIBRE Analysis as it is part of his field..... I am not 100% sure if he did any analysis or because as he could have stopped working as Principal Forensic Scientist by 2010 as quoted below... The Article was published Wed, Jan 5, 2011... I wondered if they talked to him at the scene or had just asked his advice... not sure... Or was he at Canygne Road using the Laser equipment??
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/221187/Joanna-Yeates-Crucial-work-of-forensic-teams
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmsctech/610/610vw12.htm
Ray Palmer may have had a bigger role with this case, but I do not know if he was brought to trial... (I may be mistaken).. He wrote this PDF which I haven't managed to obtain.. but I'll post the link.. It may pertain to Joanna Yeates..
http://www.academia.edu/1074661/R._Palmer_G._Polwarth_2011._The_persistence_of_fibres_on_skin_in_an_outdoor_deposition_crime_scene_scenario._Science_and_Justice_10_May_2011_10.1016_j.scijus.2011.04.001_
Was Ray Palmer the Forensic Scientist who tested the black coat fibres???
Another publication states that the FFS were not involved with the Investigation at the bottom of their article..
http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-experts-continue-to-examine-canynge-road-properties-12949/
Again...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/289435/jos-body-was-missing-one-sock/
But then a find a spanner thrown in the works and go back to believing he had some connection to the case..
Jun 16, 2015 00:00 BST
http://newsroom.northumbria.ac.uk/pressreleases/hair-and-textiles-go-under-the-microscope-at-gathering-of-forensic-science-specialists-1194413
He does various talks.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKB6eElsH3U
On the first day of the trial, the court heard:
On being told that police could link him forensically to the body, Vincent Tabak had accused what Mr. Lickley called “the Forensic Science Service” of “forgery and taking bribes”.
I think the barrister was mistaken, and that it was LGC Forensics and their friends who got all the contracts on the Joana Yeates case. I am quite sure there were a lot of unsavoury deals going on. LGC were very successful at getting publicity out of the case, AND out of the release of the landlord. They got The Mail on their side. I am sure that Forensic Science Services Ltd was miffed.
I don't believe for one moment that Ray Palmer got a fee for fibre analysis. If he had done, his statement would have been read in court. As you know, the so-called fibre evidence was "admitted" - which I interpret to mean that it was in the same category as the bad character evidence (porn & prostitutes).
Call me stupid, but I never understood why you thought the police had access to VT's black coat BEFORE they arrested him. I always imagined that they impounded his black coat AFTER his arrest, together with his bicycle and laptop, satisfied themselves that it was just an ordinary woollen coat capable of shedding fibres, and on the second day of his arrest alleged that tests had shown that fibres from it had been found on Jo's body. There probably were indeed all sorts of ordinary fibres on Jo's body. In the unlikely event of William Clegg ever actually being called to defend VT properly, Ray Palmer, if presented with a suitable fee, would probably have been able to show that there was a match between some fibres, but that it was statistically so weak as to be inconclusive.
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Call me stupid, but I never understood why you thought the police had access to VT's black coat BEFORE they arrested him. I always imagined that they impounded his black coat AFTER his arrest, together with his bicycle and laptop, satisfied themselves that it was just an ordinary woollen coat capable of shedding fibres, and on the second day of his arrest alleged that tests had shown that fibres from it had been found on Jo's body. There probably were indeed all sorts of ordinary fibres on Jo's body. In the unlikely event of William Clegg ever actually being called to defend VT properly, Ray Palmer, if presented with a suitable fee, would probably have been able to show that there was a match between some fibres, but that it was statistically so weak as to be inconclusive.
Because of what Lyndsey Lennen said in her interview :.... Joanna Yeates
It started as a missing person inquiry on December 18, 2010, says Lindsey Lennen, a body fluids and DNA specialist (who, like many forensic scientists, says the work is "all I ever wanted to do"). The team started by examining items from Joanna's home, looking for foreign DNA. Then on Christmas Day, Yeates was found dead, on a country road.
A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.
So I'll take out the important bit..
Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.
She clearly has stated
(1): Clothing........... Must be Joanna Yeates
(2): Swabs......... DNA they had already collected
(3): Suspects Clothing Must be Dr Vincent Tabak
(4):All turned around in 48 hours
She has to be bragging about Dr Vincent Tabak as this interview is after his incarceration.....
Tuesday 17 January 2012 19.45 GMT
But she forgot we all ready new that they had tested against the national data base early on...
The move will also be seen as controversial – especially as the Daily Mail understands that the sample has already been run through the national DNA database without finding a match.
By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 16:12, 14 January 2011
If she is saying it was all tuned around in 48 hours that surely means they had all the items together .. testing them in the same 48 hour period....
So.... if they have discounted people in the National data base by the 14 January 2011...
How could they have Dr Vincent Tabak's CLOTHING to test before he was arrested on the 20th January 2011
Also I do remember one of Joanna Yeates friends being tested early on.... I'll see if I can find the article,,...
I've attached 2 images from a Press Reader Article.... Interestingly they didn't think it was worth doing a mass trawl of DNA test... They never even tested her work colleagues.... Did that mean the sample on her body being "PARTIAL was USELESS!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346996/Jo-Yeates-murder-Better-street-lighting-tracing-
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20110114/289132904583479
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Because of what Lyndsey Lennen said in her interview :....
So I'll take out the important bit..
She clearly has stated
(1): Clothing........... Must be Joanna Yeates
(2): Swabs......... DNA they had already collected
(3): Suspects Clothing Must be Dr Vincent Tabak
(4):All turned around in 48 hours
She has to be bragging about Dr Vincent Tabak as this interview is after his incarceration.....
Tuesday 17 January 2012 19.45 GMT
But she forgot we all ready new that they had tested against the national data base early on...
By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 16:12, 14 January 2011
If she is saying it was all tuned around in 48 hours that surely means they had all the items together .. testing them in the same 48 hour period....
So.... if they have discounted people in the National data base by the 14 January 2011...
How could they have Dr Vincent Tabak's CLOTHING to test before he was arrested on the 20th January 2011
Also I do remember one of Joanna Yeates friends being tested early on.... I'll see if I can find the article,,...
I've attached 2 images from a Press Reader Article.... Interestingly they didn't think it was worth doing a mass trawl of DNA test... They never even tested her work colleagues.... Did that mean the sample on her body being "PARTIAL was USELESS!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346996/Jo-Yeates-murder-Better-street-lighting-tracing-
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20110114/289132904583479
Oh that's ridiculous. The court was told by DC Thomas UNDER OATH that she made Vincent Tabak a suspect during the interview at Schiphol - and that he was also reluctant to give a swab for DNA profiling at that time. Because DC Thomas was testifying as a witness, this admission carries infinitely more weight than Lindsay Lennen's off-the-cuff brag to The Gruniad - which in any case does not merit such deep critical scrutiny when it can be tested against other facts that we believe we know.
Since the official police line is that Vincent (1) had not been tested for DNA and (2) was not a suspect until 31 Dec 2010, Lindsay Lennen MUST be referring to Christopher Jefferies (if she means only one suspect), or CJ plus some of Joanna's friends, relations and others whose DNA might have been found in the flat (if she means suspects in the plural). It depends on where the apostrophe really belongs in article in The Gruniad.
It is one thing to take a swab for elimination purposes from people who "have nothing to hide" (as CJ evidently put it), but testing their clothing would have been a much bigger, more provocative task, as there would be no indication which of their clothes they might have been wearing. You cannot really see CJ letting them test his entire wardrobe on the off-chance, can you? Lindsey Lennen really wasn't thinking when she claimed that any testing of suspects' clothing was done within 48 hours, even though the police had one suspect we got to know about, and others whom we can infer from what they and CJ said, and what would have been normal.
I repeat: VT's black coat was mentioned as a source of fibres because the jury saw him wearing it in Asda, so it fitted the story the prosecution wanted to tell. This is not incompatible with their having tested it after arresting him, and the jury was fully entitled to believe that is what they did. But I do not believe they tested it for a moment - and neither should you.
You have correctly deduced that the police had already targeted VT as a person of interest well before Schiphol - but not as a publicly acknowledgeable suspect.
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Oh that's ridiculous. The court was told by DC Thomas UNDER OATH that she made Vincent Tabak a suspect during the interview at Schiphol - and that he was also reluctant to give a swab for DNA profiling at that time. Because DC Thomas was testifying as a witness, this admission carries infinitely more weight than Lindsay Lennen's off-the-cuff brag to The Gruniad - which in any case does not merit such deep critical scrutiny when it can be tested against other facts that we believe we know.
Since the official police line is that Vincent (1) had not been tested for DNA and (2) was not a suspect until 31 Dec 2010, Lindsay Lennen MUST be referring to Christopher Jefferies (if she means only one suspect), or CJ plus some of Joanna's friends, relations and others whose DNA might have been found in the flat (if she means suspects in the plural). It depends on where the apostrophe really belongs in article in The Gruniad.
It is one thing to take a swab for elimination purposes from people who "have nothing to hide" (as CJ evidently put it), but testing their clothing would have been a much bigger, more provocative task, as there would be no indication which of their clothes they might have been wearing. You cannot really see CJ letting them test his entire wardrobe on the off-chance, can you? Lindsey Lennen really wasn't thinking when she claimed that any testing of suspects' clothing was done within 48 hours, even though the police had one suspect we got to know about, and others whom we can infer from what they and CJ said, and what would have been normal.
I repeat: VT's black coat was mentioned as a source of fibres because the jury saw him wearing it in Asda, so it fitted the story the prosecution wanted to tell. This is not incompatible with their having tested it after arresting him, and the jury was fully entitled to believe that is what they did. But I do not believe they tested it for a moment - and neither should you.
You have correctly deduced that the police had already targeted VT as a person of interest well before Schiphol - but not as a publicly acknowledgeable suspect.
Maybe you misunderstand my meaning.....
I'm fully aware that what Lyndsey Lennen was probably refering to, would be CJ... But she dosen't admit to this... she allows us to think she means Dr Vincent Tabak... As he's the one in prison for this crime...
But either way it makes no difference... it's not about the fibres of the clothing as far as I am concerned... Fibre analysis can easily be discounted...
It's her Admission that they had Joanna Yeates DNA sample available to test against in 48 hours...
They have made various videos and statements that claim this sample took weeks to produce because it was so small..
And that is their reason why they say they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak on the 20th January 2011...
The DNA sample they took from him in Holland on 31st December 2010 would be tested on their return... In turn means that Dr Vincent Tabak should have been arrested within days... long before they made the Appeal for the "Missing Sock"..
So there had to be planning in Dr Vincent Tabak's Arrest... The question is when ?? The CPS said late December 2010 they advised The Police ... So who is responsible for the planned arrest and incarceration of Dr Vincent Tabak....Without the evidence to arrest him??
If he was a match when they came back from Holland as they have claimed his DNA was upon Joanna Yeates... Why did they waste Public Money doing Appeal's for "Missing Socks"??
Why did they allow the PUBLIC to think that there was a KILLER on the Loose in Bristol... Why for at least 17 days di they continue a charade with the public by telling them they had no idea who had killed Joanna Yeates ..
How much MONEY and MAN POWER did Avon and Somerset Police use and spend continuing to advertise for help in finding Joanna Yeates KILLER when as "Lyndsey Lennen" says... they turned it all around in 48 hours... And at that point would have had Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA swob...!!
Even if nobody believes that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent... shouldn't there at least be a PUBLIC INQUIRY Into the misuse of PUBLIC funds that they obviously wasted if "Lyndsey Lennens" statement is TRUE!!!
Lyndsey Lennen's statement confirms they had no evidence whatsoever on Dr Vincent Tabak... From the day they got his DNA sample to the day the arrested him.....
But someone obviously wanted The Dutchman to take the fall (IMO)
Somewhere on this thread is the video link... I think it might be Judge Rinder... DCI Phil Jones states that they got the results from Joanna Yeates on the 20th January 2011 and arrested Dr Vincent Tabak on the 20th January 2011... anybody can see that doesn't make sense...
It would be interesting to see if these people had to stand up in court today and all their untruths could be uncovered for all to see...
And DCI Phil Jones should have his turn in the Box!!
Because again untruths have been told.....
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Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."
I'm glad you mentioned the waste of public money. The police love to have high profile cases to justify spending a lot of public money. There is something deeply political about the theatrical creation of this unspeakable villain Vincent Tabak. Unfortunately, since 2016, ALL Europeans who try to take jobs away from British workers have become villainous rascals in the eyes of the voters on both the left and the right wings of politics.
However, I am sure the voters would be just as exasperated as you are if they knew how much Avon & Somerset Constabulary and the news media have deceived the entire nation and allowed the real killer to slip away until the next victim presents herself. Next time a politician comes knocking on your door or accosts you at the shopping centre, why not air your concerns about this corrupt cover-up?
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Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."
Those were the exact same words that were used in the "Crimewatch program.... that was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction....
Can you link me to that article Leonora ?? What was the date an issue number !!
This has to be around October /Novemeber 2011 the Crimewatch Programmed which was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's incarceration.. was uploaded onto youtube on the 6th November 2011
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If I go back to Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA sample being tested when they had taken it on the 31st December 2010..
It would take two days tops for them to check his sample against Joanna Yeates.... (I'm being generous)..
That would take us to the 2nd January 2011...
If as they contend they knew that Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA was a match.... They'd of know from the date above... Why did they not arrest him????
Because they needed other evidence , being the answer... And of course we have the sobbing girl...!!
But if they fully believed that he was the KILLER... They must have had survailance on him the minute he landed back in England...
Where are all the notes... footage of this survailance???
There must have been something issued for them to do the survaliance in the first place... I did write a post the other day which mentioned they had watched him for a week...
I believe they followed his ever move... and couldn't find anything untoward to arrest him on.... As we know the review period was due... We suddenly have a crying girl which tips the balance and they arrest him....
Otherwise If there was No survailance... How could they justify leaving a calculating killer roam free.... and keep up the pretence that they were searching for someone!!
By them saying they were following his movements the week before his arrest.. The major question would be WHY???
Because..." The sobbing Girl "hadn't made her phone call a week before his arrest !!!
I would love to see there notes/photographs and any video's they made of their survailance...
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Those were the exact same words that were used in the "Crimewatch program.... that was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction....
Can you link me to that article Leonora ?? What was the date an issue number !!
This has to be around October /Novemeber 2011 the Crimewatch Programmed which was aired after Dr Vincent Tabak's incarceration.. was uploaded onto youtube on the 6th November 2011
I can't bear viewing any of these TV documentaries about the case again, even though I am very happy that you are so willing to do so. I attach the article from Police Magazine, February 2012. It doesn't have an issue number, nor is it online at the URL where I originally found it.
When are you going to share your thoughts on how VT, TM and GR have been protected from the news media?
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Lindsay Lennen herself seems to have told a different story to the journalist who wrote "The body in the snow" for Police Magazine: "... Then, 25 days after the discovery of Jo Yeates’ body, scientists made a breakthrough. They found DNA matching Vincent Tabak on one of the samples recovered from her body."
Well she obviously changed it... The Guardian Article 12th January 2012 was written before the Police magazine "The body in the snow "Article.... 2nd February 2012...
From body in the snow....
Once the body had been removed to the mortuary, swabs were taken in the
hope scientists could extract enough
of the all-important DNA to get a
profile of the suspect. Clothing was
also recovered and analysed.
From her Guardian article ..
Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak."
What tape?? thought they used tape for fibre collection... So what DNA did they get from behind her knee??
Lets look at what this would cost........ The DNA thing `I find suspcious...
How many DNA swabs would they need to take from all areas of Joanna Yeates body and clothes ??
Each individually identified from each seperate area.. Each one tested ... Not forgetting all of the other testing that they did...
They believed CJ was responsible.. they still had all of his posssesions to test ... they had all of the fabric etc from Joanna Yeates flat to test...
How many area's of the duvet cover of Joanna yeates did they sample...
There are many many Pictures of the forensics team taking evidence bags out of various premises... How could they test all of it in such a short space of time ??? It would take months and months and months... Not the 25 days Lyndsey Lennen says in her "Body in the Snow article and not the 48 hours Lyndsey Lennen says in her Guardian Article,...
If they had to apply the DNA SenCE on most of these articles in the hope of finding DNA present... how long would it take and how much would that cost!!!!
Also there was the actual dump site sample that had to be analyised....
I've attached images to get an idea of the amount of items the took from Joanna Yeates flat alone.... Lets not forget the bathroom and kitchen swabs that they would need to test... The living room and the hallway... The Front door too that was made an important part of this case....
CJ... they never stopped going in and out of CJs flat... he wasn't released from bail till March 2011... so there so much of his possesions to be tested ...
What did they ACTUALLY process in regards to samples the had??? when it comes to the forensics bill they had in March 2011 ...£ 83,379.00 .... Did the bill for forensics change after March... because they still must have been processing Dr Vncent Tabaks Flat after they had CJ's and Flat 1's to do...
While scientists worked to get a
result, the pressure to find Jo’s killer
mounted. The forensic company set
up an internal focus group of five
scientists to ensure ‘a cohesive and
rapid, customer-focused response’.
The group comprised the most
appropriately experienced and
qualified forensic scientists, who
carried out the DNA examinations
as well as interpretation, peer review
and quality review.
Question:... How could 5 scientists do thousands of DNA tests in a matter of 48 hours or 25 days.... It's not logistically possible... How would they Know what sample would be a priority if they did not know where the crime was committed ??
I've made a list just to try an envisage how it was impossible to do all these tests in 25 days or 48 hours....
(1): One scientist doing the testing from Flat 1
(2): One Scientist doing the testing of flat 2
(3): One Scientist doing the testing from flat 3
(4): One scientist doing the testing from samples at Longwood lane...
(5): One Scientist testing all the cars that were brought into be tested ....
I think I need another scientist
(6): Aberdeen Road
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg401172#msg401172
What was the Total spend on the case ? Does anyone know....
Edit:.... And Peter Stanleys house..
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg405346#msg405346
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(19): DCI Gareth Bevan
DCI Gareth Bevan is remembered for his role with the media and the Pizza...
2:22PM GMT 23 Dec 2010
Det Chief Ins Gareth Bevan, from Avon and Somerset Police, said: "We believe Jo reached her home address shortly after 8.30pm on Friday evening.
"From CCTV, we know she bought a pizza at Tesco Express in Clifton Village and there is no evidence of the pizza, the wrappings or the box in the flat.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8221880/Police-search-for-pizza-bought-by-missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates.html
DCI Gareth Bevan appears to make no further appearance in relation to the enquiry...
However, Det Chief Insp Gareth Bevan, who appealed for information about the whereabouts of the Tesco pizza, is part of Melanie Hall investigation team and has spoken publicly about that inquiry.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pizza-key-in-search-for-missing-architect-2169048.html
Where the Police trying to link the two cases ???
To me it appears so... especially as Melanie Hall is mentioned in Dr Vincent Tabak's searches...
On his computer at work, Tabak searched for news on
‘Melanie Hall’
‘Avon and Somerset police home page’
‘News’
‘Murder of Melanie Hall’
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
And Dr Vincent Tabak lived in Holland , he would have been 18 years old when Melaine Hall disappeared... The search always seemed suspect to me... (IMO)
The Police are obviously trying to draw someones attention (IMO) and I don't think it was Dr Vincent Tabak..
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(19): DCI Gareth Bevan
DCI Gareth Bevan is remembered for his role with the media and the Pizza...
2:22PM GMT 23 Dec 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8221880/Police-search-for-pizza-bought-by-missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates.html
DCI Gareth Bevan appears to make no further appearance in relation to the enquiry...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pizza-key-in-search-for-missing-architect-2169048.html
Where the Police trying to link the two cases ???
To me it appears so... especially as Melanie Hall is mentioned in Dr Vincent Tabak's searches...
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
And Dr Vincent Tabak lived in Holland , he would have been 18 years old when Melaine Hall disappeared... The search always seemed suspect to me... (IMO)
The Police are obviously trying to draw someones attention (IMO) and I don't think it was Dr Vincent Tabak..
None of the officers who testified in court appeared in the news media at the time, and none of the latter testified in court. This is very odd. Were they chosen just for their public speaking skills? Was DCI Phil Jones just a symbolic figurehead? I got the impression that it was DCI Joe Goff who was the No. 2 and who actually led the team.
Joanna Yeates was at this time "missing, believed abducted". Until you suggested that this reference to the murder of Melanie Hall was a secret signal to someone known to the police, I had suspected that DCI Gareth Bevan was given the pizza job to divert public attention from their suspicion of Joanna's boyfriend. It may, however, have been a subliminal signal to everyone that "we now fear that Joanna was murdered too".
EDIT: This link, which I've just found, to a report of an arrest less than 4 months before Joanna Yeates went missing, shows that DCI Gareth Bevan was a member of the Melanie Hall murder inquiry team, so his pizza performance was more than just a "subliminal" signal:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7974166/Second-man-arrested-over-Melanie-Hall-murder.html
We know from TM's and VT's e-mail exchanges that the missing pizza made a deep impression on them, so it would have been quite natural for VT to research the murder of Melanie Hall, whose case he would never have heard of before.
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None of the officers who testified in court appeared in the news media at the time, and none of the latter testified in court. This is very odd. Were they chosen just for their public speaking skills? Was DCI Phil Jones just a symbolic figurehead? I got the impression that it was DCI Joe Goff who was the No. 2 and who actually led the team.
It is really odd I agree...... I was wondering myself if DCI Phil Jones was just a face for the media... That's what I was trying to find out the other day .... It's extremely strange that DCI Phil Jones doesn't appear in the news media for anything else other than this case...
And on the long thread that mrswah started, I posted a picture of a DCI Phil Jones that was retiring I think... anyway they had put the picture on linkedin and it was a screen grab from a TV news item....
But.... it didn't look like the DCI Phil Jones we have come to know ....
On the linkedin It says he's an acting DCI and assuming roles..... this quote is from the google blurb:
Yeovil, Somerset, United Kingdom - Following retirement at the age of 51 years, now looking for a fresh challenge. - Currently seeking a new challenge
Phil Jones ... Recommendations, 1 person has recommended Phil .... Acting DCI duties assuming Senor Management responsibility for the reactive and ...
I haven't signed into linkedin... But it does say something about Having completed 30 years with Avon and Somerset
How many DCI Phil Jones can be working for the Avon and Somerset police... ??
So maybe our DCI Phil Jones is just a face.....
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(32): Darren Bane Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police,
He became Deputy lead... But he was the Initial lead Press Officer on The Joanna Yeates Case ....
Deputy Head of Corporate Communications
Company Name Avon and Somerset Constabulary
Dates EmployedAug 2008 – Feb 2012 Employment Duration3 yrs 7 mos
LocationPortishead
Second-in-command of department providing comprehensive communications service for Avon and Somerset Police; internal/external, proactive and reactive communications. Was chair of the communications group of the area's Local Resilience Forum and of the communications group for MAPPA (Multi Agency Public Protection Arrangements), and day-to-day was manager of the reactive Press team. Was the initial lead press officer on the Joanna Yeates murder enquiry; also led on communications in the wake of a terrorist arrest and a fatal shooting by police offiers. Wide experience of crisis/reputation management; led on media awareness training for staff of all ranks and grades. Role involved managing and motivating a team whose members were often operating under stressful, high-pressure, circumstances and providing strategic support, advice and guidance to senior managers and officers. At gold level, devised and implemented multi-agency communications strategies and engaged in stakeholder and partner-agency/organisation engagement. Was unfortunately made redundant in February 2012, as a result of a budget-enforcement departmental restructure which resulted in three posts being deleted from the establishment.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-bane-44577814/
There seems to have been a change of role in this case ... he is not the only one ... DCI Phil Jones took over on the 27th December 2010..
I've attached 3 images... The third image is from google and if you click on them the articles have been removed ...
Darren is now a PR Manager : https://www.empica.com/Our-Team/Darren-Bane
Darren Bane PR Manager
Darren joined Empica in April 2017 as the next step in a career spanning nearly 30 years in journalism, public relations, corporate communications and marketing.
He holds qualifications from the National Council of Journalists (NCTJ) and Chartered Institute of Public Relations (CIPR).
His career has included working as a senior reporter on the Bristol Evening Post, Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police, and Marketing and Communications Manager at Weston College. He has been involved in the creation and implementation of a number of award-winning multi-channel public relations and communications campaigns.
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Darren Bane was Amanda Hirst's deputy at the time of the Joanna Yeates case. He lost his job shortly after that. He's the man with the dossier at Longwood Lane on Xmas day, just behind Jon Stratford, in your 2nd picture. Here is another picture of him at Longwood Lane.
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(2): DI Joe Goff :
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/grief-and-fury-of-joanna-yeates-mum-1085479
Detective Inspector Joe Goff told how the murder had shocked people who knew Tabak in Holland.
He said: "He was somebody who was not particularly comfortable around women, uncomfortable in his social circumstances - even around his peers and, from their perspective, not the sort of person you would imagine could commit this sort of violent crime."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg367446;topicseen#msg367446
Crime watch Part 2 : DI Joe Goff:
those screams were of particular interest because it helped us to time, when the acctual incident had happened within Flat 1 which resulted in Joanna's death
This is all I am aware of DI Joe Goff mainly his appearance on Crimewatch after Dr Vincent Tabak was Sentenced....
He's a keen Cyclist... but nothing much more I can find.....
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Darren Bane was Amanda Hirst's deputy at the time of the Joanna Yeates case. He lost his job shortly after that. He's the man with the dossier at Longwood Lane on Xmas day, just behind Jon Stratford, in your 2nd picture. Here is another picture of him at Longwood Lane.
I remember that image leonora... I think it was yourself who pointed me in his direction without you realising it....
But in the info i have given.. he himself says he was Initial the lead!
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Darren Bane was Amanda Hirst's deputy at the time of the Joanna Yeates case. He lost his job shortly after that. He's the man with the dossier at Longwood Lane on Xmas day, just behind Jon Stratford, in your 2nd picture. Here is another picture of him at Longwood Lane.
Any idea why he lost his job?
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Any idea why he lost his job?
Lost as in took early retirement per chance?
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(32): Darren Bane Deputy Head of Corporate Communications at Avon & Somerset Police,
He became Deputy lead... But he was the Initial lead Press Officer on The Joanna Yeates Case ....
https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-bane-44577814/
There seems to have been a change of role in this case ... he is not the only one ... DCI Phil Jones took over on the 27th December 2010..
I've attached 3 images... The third image is from google and if you click on them the articles have been removed ...
Darren is now a PR Manager : https://www.empica.com/Our-Team/Darren-Bane
The DCI Phil Jones who made numerous appearances in connection with this case seems to have no other internet footprint. He hasn't won any awards, nor been involved in any other serious cases that we know of. You did find an officer at Avon & Somerset Constabulary called Phil Jones, but it was easy to see from his photo that it couldn't be the same man.
Why not draw the obvious conclusion? - that the Phil Jones allegedly running the Joanna Yeates murder inquiry was an actor, engaged to present a convincing face to the public, and to protect real detectives from intimidation?
I have no idea why Darren Bane lost his job, but I would assume it had to do with the completion of Operation Braid, which required huge amounts of publicity.
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(1): DCI Phil Jones
Now DCI Phil Jones, was The Media Face of "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation" and it was his leadership that was imperative in the apprehension of "The Murderer " of "Joanna Yeates"
It was "The Leveson Inquiry".. That I first had been made aware of DCI Phil Jones taking charge on the 27th December 2010...
Up until this point the face of DC "Mark Saunders" was in the fore front of "The Missing Person" Inquiry... DCI Phil Jones.. pushed forward his Investigation surrounding the Building... that being 44 Canygne Road Bristol...
He had already made a grave error in arresting The Landlord Chris Jefferies... which culminated in The Media running a mock and a rather expensive Inquiry, being "The Leveson Inquiry"....
His unbridled determination to prove that Dr Vincent Tabak had indeed committed this appauling crime only was proven with the "Illegal Interview in Holland " that he had to be aware of (IMO)...
He I believe was always running this "Murder Investigation" and `i believe that it was earlier than the date he told the Leveson Enquiry... The reason I give for this belief is the way in which the whole Investigation was being run... As a "Twin Track Investigation"... with A "Missing Persons Enquiry" and a "Murder Enquiry" being run similtaniously.. (IMO..
In my Opinion he has gone on record contradiciting himself... And I believe I can prove this UNTRUE he told....(IMO)
In the :Judge Rinder Program" about the "Murder of "Joanna Yeates" DCI PHIL JONES Says: At 31:25 mins:
It was around the 20th January, that erm... we positively identified there were components in the mixed DNA.. of Vincent Tabak
He hadn't returned to the flat, and was staying with a friend in another part of Bristol.. We went there in the early hours of 20th January we arrested him..
All the Evidence would have had to be in place the day before they planned to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak, if he conducted himself in the same way as he had done with CJ's arrest... He was not going into another situation without what he would believe all the "T's" crossed (IMO)
I'll refer back to what "Colin Port" told "The Leveson Inquiry" with regards CJ's Planned arrest"
The SIO was very aware of the media interest and took considerable care to
avoid the media having any opportunity of witnessing any part of the arrest
procedures and identifying Mr Jefferies. The SIO made an entry in his policy
book on 29 December which reads "Christopher Jefferies will be arrested on
suspicion of the murder of Joanna Yeates tomorrow morning (30.12.10)
during the hours of darkness at approximately 07:00 hours
Why would DCI Phil Jones Change his tack... If they had been gathering Evidence against Dr Vincent tabak since late December 2010...
The must have needed a "Warrant" to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak at the Address of Aberdeen Road.. and this would need to be signed by a Majistrate... I cannot see how it would be "Conceivable" for The Avon And SomersetPolice Force" to arrest someone at an address without such a warrant... I believe just like DCI Phil Jones Had written in his "Policy Book" about arresting CJ the day before his arrest.. He too would have written in his "Policy Book" at least the day before that the "Planned Arrest of "Dr Vincent Tabak " would be executed on the 29th January 2010..
This "Policy Book" would have details of the DNA sample that he clearly state he recieved on the 20th January 2011.. which infact had to be an impossibility.. because they needed the DNA sample as "Part" of the Evidence to Arrest "Dr Vincent Tabak" in the first place.... I believe they knew how to use the media to their advantage and continued to do so after the trial had completed....
I believe the public was completeley deceived.. And even now I can see as I am writing this that the wool has been pulled over our eyes... Which I will go on to post after this post....(IMO)
I will add more on DCI Phil Jones at a later date
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg369062;topicseen#msg369062
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(1): DCI Phil Jones
Now DCI Phil Jones, was The Media Face of "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation" and it was his leadership that was imperative in the apprehension of "The Murderer " of "Joanna Yeates"
It was "The Leveson Inquiry".. That I first had been made aware of DCI Phil Jones taking charge on the 27th December 2010...
Up until this point the face of DC "Mark Saunders" was in the fore front of "The Missing Person" Inquiry... DCI Phil Jones.. pushed forward his Investigation surrounding the Building... that being 44 Canygne Road Bristol...
He had already made a grave error in arresting The Landlord Chris Jefferies... which culminated in The Media running a mock and a rather expensive Inquiry, being "The Leveson Inquiry"....
His unbridled determination to prove that Dr Vincent Tabak had indeed committed this appauling crime only was proven with the "Illegal Interview in Holland " that he had to be aware of (IMO)...
He I believe was always running this "Murder Investigation" and `i believe that it was earlier than the date he told the Leveson Enquiry... The reason I give for this belief is the way in which the whole Investigation was being run... As a "Twin Track Investigation"... with A "Missing Persons Enquiry" and a "Murder Enquiry" being run similtaniously.. (IMO..
Detective Superintendant Mark Saunders was the public face of Operation Braid for only two days - 21st & 22nd December 2010. DCI Gareth Bevan with his pizza became the public face on 23rd December 2010, as I now believe, to signal that Joanna Yeates's disappearance might be linked to the murder of Melanie Hall. From 24th to 27th December, Chief Superintendant Jon Stratford was the public face of Operation Braid.
I don't believe DCI Jones acted as a real SIO at all. I believe it was Anne Reddrop who was really running the case, perhaps from as early as 20th December 2010. She was the mastermind of the twin-track inquiry. There are two officers in this case whose formidable intelligence stands out, and she is one of them. The other is William Clegg QC.
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Detective Superintendant Mark Saunders was the public face of Operation Braid for only two days - 21st & 22nd December 2010. DCI Gareth Bevan with his pizza became the public face on 23rd December 2010, as I now believe, to signal that Joanna Yeates's disappearance might be linked to the murder of Melanie Hall. From 24th to 27th December, Chief Superintendant Jon Stratford was the public face of Operation Braid.
I don't believe DCI Jones acted as a real SIO at all. I believe it was Anne Reddrop who was really running the case, perhaps from as early as 20th December 2010. She was the mastermind of the twin-track inquiry. There are two officers in this case whose formidable intelligence stands out, and she is one of them. The other is William Clegg QC.
I believe you are onto something there leonora.... In DCI Phil Jones Carefully Crafted statement to The Leveson Inquiry... he never actually admits to being the SIO of the Joanna Yeates case... He allows us to beieve that he is;
I am a Detective Chief Inspector with the Avon and Somerset Constabulary. I
have 23 years service and during this time I have worked in a variety of
operational roles both in uniform and as a detective, I have spent the last 11
years in a detective role and have progressed from the rank of Detective
Sergeant to Detective Chief Inspector, Upon promotion to Detective Chief
Inspector in October 2008, I was posted to the Constabulary’s Major Crime
Investigation Team as a Senior Investigating Officer ("SIO").
This team takes
the investigative lead for all homicides within the Avon and Somerset force area
and following collaboration in January 2011 this has included the Wiltshire Police
force area. In June 2010 I gained PIP Level III accreditation as an SIO. PIP
(Professionalising Investigation Programme) is a national formal academic
accreditation which recognises the professionalism and competence of
investigators within the Police Service through assessment in the workplace. To
achieve this accreditation I was required to evidence my competence as a
Senior Investigator in the investigation of major crime and demonstrate my
ability to deliver professional, ethical and effective investigations,
4, As an SIO i have led numerous Homicide investigations within a diverse range
of circumstances and communities,
These investigations have varied in
complexity and have ranged from Category A+ murders such as the Joanna
Yeates investigation where the offender is unknown and there is a high level of
media interest and public concern, to Category C murders where the identity of
the offender is apparent at the outset of the investigation and/or evidence can
be secured easily.
And thank you for pointing that out.... So was it DCI Mark Luther who was indeed the SIO of 'The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation".... the same DCI Mark Luther that we can find "Nothing" about??
EDIT..... If DCI Mark Luther had such a pivitol role in "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation"... why did he NOT Appear at "The Leveson Inquiry:??
Was it because DCI Phil Jones was JUST THE MEDIA FACE.... and ONLY THE MEDIA FACE of this Investigation that he appeared.... Because all of the other people who appeared were media related... And Colin Port as the "Big Chief " was ultimatley responsible for his underlings...
Meaning anyone else who was In charge didn't have to make an appearance.... But whilst searching for this Information... I have found a PDF from "The Leveson Inquiry" were they believe that DCI Phil Jones is the SIO of "The Joanna Yeates Investigation"...
Jones, Philip Detective Chief Inspector, Avon & Somerset
Constabulary.
SIO of the Joanna Yeates murder investigation. Day 56
27.3.12
Double Edit.... s. I was appointed as SIO on 27th December 2010 and in
consultation with CCD continued to develop the media strategy as the
investigation grew, documenting al! media related decisions in my policy book.
(I'd love to see that Policy Book"..)
Was He the SIO... or the SIO of Media ??? according to his statement he is saying he is the SIO of "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation".... He doesn't state which SIO he was being an SIO For....
So Again... How was DCI Mark Luther in charge of this Investigation....
Third Edit:.... Sorry about this but DCI Phil Jones does state that:
My experience as SIO on
the Joanna Yeates investigation does not alter that view
At the bottom of his statement to "The Leveson Inquiry"..
Basically the question needs to be .... How many SIO's were on "The Joannaa Yeates Murder Investigation "???
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Closing-Submission-for-Module-2-from-MPS.pdf
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Witness-Statement-of-DCI-Phillip-Jones.pdf
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(35): Chief Super Colin Port... i haven't covered him as yet... But...
The SIO made an entry in his policy
book on 29 December which reads "Christopher Jefferies will be arrested on
suspicion of the murder of Joanna Yeates tomorrow morning (30.12.10)
during the hours of darkness at approximately 07:00 hours
Who is he refering to....??
Later he says:
(52) What was the media strategy for the Joanna Yeates murder
enquiry?
Response: The strategy is set out in the statement to the Inquiry
from the SIO, DCI Phillip Jones.
He follows up with : (53) Who set this strategy?
Response: The SIO, in consultation with the Head of Corporate
Communications and the Gold Commander.
Notice he doesn't say DCI Phil Jones....
The nest statement is confusing..... And I believe it is meant to be confusing....
(54) What was the senior investigating officer’s role in the
handling of the media?
Response; The SIO was the spokesperson on behalf of the
investigation, There is a view held by some that this role should be
performed by someone not involved in the investigation as it could be
a distraction for the SIO,
I: do not hold that view, quite the contrary.
In my experience the public and the media and the investigation
team get confidence from the SIO making direct appeals from an
informed and, if necessary, detailed basis.
It is important that the offenders also understand the SIO is visible and determined in their
pursuit to find the truth, One way of demonstrating this is the SIO
being visible. I had a discussion with DCI Jones along these lines.
(55) Who directed and controlled
communications with the media?
police contact and
Response: The Communications Department and the Gold
Commander controlled the communications with the media in
conjunction with the SIO.
Which SIO is he referring too?? Because all along we believe he is referring too DCI Phil Jones... But his next statement changes that view in my Opinion....
(64) Is it necessary for police forces to have a press office and
what is your view of the utility and role of police press
offices?
Response’ It is absolutely necessary to have a press office.
Corporate Communications engage both externally and internally and
the Joanna Yeates investigation is a very good example of how, to a
large extent,
the SIO in a high profile investigation can be left to get
on with the job of investigating the crime without constantly being
side tracked by having to deal with media issues.
This is the clincher.... in "Chief Super Colin's Ports" signed statement to "The Leveson Inquiry"... (IMO)...
the SIO in a high profile investigation can be left to get
on with the job of investigating the crime without constantly being
side tracked by having to deal with media issues.
Well obviously he wasn't side tracked..... Because DCI Phil Jones constantly appeared at "Press Conferences" about "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation"...
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
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And to add to my above post.... I truly believe that this is the reason that "DCI Phil Jones"... did not appear in the witness box to cohoborate any interviews or evidence he had come across.....
Because he was just the SIO In charge of "The Media Side" of "The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation"... And as such could not contribute to the trial....
Unlike the Elusive DCI Mark Luther who was In Charge of "The Investigation"... And gave testimony at Trial to this effect!!!! (IMO)
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(31); AMANDA HIRST, Head of Corporate Communications at Avon and Somerset
Who you are and a brief summary of your career history
Response: I am Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications
for Avon and Somerset Police since April 2009. My responsibilities
span media and public relations~ marketing and communications,
web, social and other digital media...
This is the role of said Amanda Hirst.... But she does make some interesting statements in regards the media... I don't think she is a fan of Mark William- Thomas.... (IMO)
Our decision to exclude ITN from a press briefing was underpinned by
what we believed to be irresponsible and ill-conceived use of a so
called ’expert’ in a substantial prime Lime news programme to which
we were given scant opportunity to respond prior to the piece being
aired, being asked only whether we had done vehicle stops and not
mentioning the views of the ’expert’.
It's the Vehicle stops comment that brings me to the conclusion she is refering to "Mark Williams-Thomas"...
’The public have a right to know’; There is a view amongst some
journalists that detailed information should be made available on the
basis that the public have a right to know. This expectation is
unrealistic and creates another focus for tension between the media
and police media relations teams.
Following the investigation I reviewed the media contact for the 34
days from the first missing person appeal on 20 December 2010 until
22 January 2011 when Vincent Tabak was charged with Joanna
Yeates’ murder. I produced a summary of that contact entitled "The
murder of Joanna Yeates - the inside story" to illustrate the nature of
media interest which I have submitted with this statement.
Now I wasn't aware that they had decided as early as the 20th December 2010... that it had been in the "Media" that "Joanna Yeates" was A "Missing Person"....
How is that possible... Because "Monday was the 20th January 2010.... and only in the early hours of that morning did they get a Phone Call from Greg Reardon, that his Girlfriend was indeed Missing....
What would make them jump straight to "The Media" on the 20th January 2010 to report her as A missing person... when the could have hardly had a chance to interview the neighbours and establish a course of inquiry....
There more to fill in with her role.... I'll come back to it....
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(34): ACC Hansen, the Chief Constable and the Head of CCD ( as reported by DCI Phil Jones in the Leveson
Inquiry) (Gold Commander )
This is a role that needs more looking into.... I had just discovered that he was "The Gold Commander from Amanda Hirst's "Leveson Inquiry Statement"...
Who set this strategy?
Response: The SIO set the media strategy and we continued to
review and develop it throughout the investigation with my
assistance with oversight from ACC Rod Hansen as Gold Commander.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Witness-Statement-of-Amanda-Hirst.pdf
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(31): Amanda Hirst:
Again at "The Leveson Inquiry" Amanda Hirst list this example...
Example 2: On 4 January 2011 we were contacted by the crime
editor of the Sun who had heard that three items of clothing - a
sock, a shoe and something else - were missing when Joanna’s body
was found. This was information that the SIO did not want in the
public domain as it may have been a matter which he wanted to put
to any possible offender. However it was clear that the Sun would
run the story on a ’scoop’ basis regardfess of our view. As a result
the decision was taken to hold a press conference the following day
when the Sun story broke.
Now if memory serves me correctly I remember Rebecca Scott had revealed this Inforamtion....
”There doesn’t seem to be anything missing from the house at all – even her coat and keys are there. I know Jo, and she takes these kind of things with her.
The date of this article is : 22nd December 2010
You would have thought that well before the 5th January 2011 a press conference would have been held.... seeing as it was Joanna Yeates best friend who "Knew " that the "Coat " was still in the flat....
http://swns.com/news/last-person-to-speak-to-joanna-yeates-tells-of-missing-bristol-womans-christmas-plans-12636/
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(5): Forensics Officer Martin Faithfull.
Now I've learnt something new... But it makes sense... Because I believe That Officer Martin Faithful was always a beat Cop....
He was shown the body by "The Birches ..
So... why would he need to stop a body from Snowing if it was covered in snow????
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
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I'm going back to "The Twin Track Investigation"..... and when this because Offically a "Twin Track Investigation"..
The only way I can work it out.... which I will do as I find out... Is The media reports and more Importantly The "Missing Person" Posters.. I think the Missing Person posters are a clue to the timing of "Operation Braid".... (IMO)...
So I have attached some pics that I found on "Anorak" of the early posters when Joanna Yeates was first reported "Missing".... I believe it's either the 22nd or The 23rd of December 2010 when This became "Operation Braid" and "The Twin Track Investigation" started really working on "The Killer" or Killers plural as the Police often have said...Of Joanna Yeates .... (IMO)...
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I think there is something in this "Twin Track Investigation idea I believe happened during the Joanna Yeates case.... But it's establishing, which the Investigations were.....
I have so far gone with the idea, that The "Twin Track Investigation" was...
(A): The Missing Person's Inquiry Team...
(B): The Murder Inquiry Team.....
But the more I look at the Media reports of the time, to me it doesn't ring true....
Take this quote.....By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:48 PM on 23rd December 2010 The Online newspaper is different But it is the correct article....
Detective Chief Inspector Gareth Bevan said she bought a Tesco Finest tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza.
'I believe on the night in question Joanna got back to her flat and this would have been shortly after 8.30pm,' he said.
'We know from CCTV she went into Tesco's in Clifton Village at 8.30pm and when she was in Tesco she bought a pizza.
Same date but the guardian this time:
Jo visited the Ram pub in Park Street, Bristol for a drink on Friday, leaving at 8pm. She then stopped in Waitrose and then carried on to the Tesco Express on Regent Street at about 8.40pm. Police know she got home because receipts for the shopping were found in the flat.
Gareth Bevan goes on to say:
Detective Chief Inspector Gareth Bevan, from Avon and Somerset police, said: "We believe Jo reached her home address shortly after 8.30pm on Friday evening.
Again Another report..... You'll have to stay with me on this one....
Det Chief Ins Gareth Bevan, from Avon and Somerset Police, said: "We believe Jo reached her home address shortly after 8.30pm on Friday evening.
Then later.......
Known as Jo to friends, Miss Yeates was last seen leaving the Ram pub in Park Street , Bristol , at about 8pm , walking up the street.
She stopped in Waitrose and then carried on to the Tesco Express on Regent Street at about 8.40pm
I Think I have been Looking at "This TwinTrack Investigation" completely wrong...... After the other day when Andrew Mott finally revealed himself to be wearing a Forensic suit and "Not His Police Uniform that I had been looking for..... I thought I'd go back to the Reports from the papers in the early days of the Investigation... And I remembered That Gareth Bevan... Wasn't part of The "Joanna Yeates Investigation.... Yet he appears across many many Newspapers on line and in Paper form.... He was part of the Melanie Hall Investigation Team...
It threw me.... I couldn't understand why they would use him... But The next Article reveals a little more... I think the Clever Use Of The Media.. whilst this investigation was taking place... Probably slipped most people by... It did me... But know I see things differently
Mr Stratford said he was unaware of any contact between the detectives investigating Miss Yeates' disappearance and the murder of Melanie Hall in Bath in 1996.
."Gareth Bevan is The Detective holding "The Pizza " (see attached image )and appealing for information... And The next quote demonstrates How the above quote is Inaccurate.......(IMO)
"I am not aware of any contact between the two teams and at the current time I am not aware of anything to connect the disappearance of Melanie Hall with this disappearance," Mr Stratford said.
However, Det Chief Insp Gareth Bevan, who appealed for information about the whereabouts of the Tesco pizza, is part of Melanie Hall investigation team and has spoken publicly about that inquiry.
This brings me back to my "Twin Track Investigation".... I now believe "The Twin Track Investigations" that were happening at the same time as "The Joanna Yeates "Missing Persons Inquiry".... are the following
(1): The "Missing Person's Inquiry" of Joanna Yeates
(2): A Complex Cold Case Inquiry" with possible links to a "Serial Killer".. (IMO)
I feel confident in saying this... I feel that all along there has been confusion and "Double Meaning" in every Newspaper Report that had reported on "The Joanna Yeates Case"....
It's like when I understood That "Joanna Yeates" and "The Ground" where seperate... she wasn't frozen to the "Ground"... But It's the use of language and the ability to report in such a way that they information seems Irrelevant Or... we as the public have "Misunderstood"... But I haven't I think I can see the wood for the trees...
Another quote from the Independant..
The officer did confirm that the force had spoken to officers leading the inquiry into missing chef Claudia Lawrence in York.
Thirty detectives are working full time on the investigation and are being assisted by another 40 staff, including uniformed officers, forensic experts and search teams.
You have to decipher what they are saying in virtually every paragraph of every media publication and "Press Conference"
I'll say this is part of both "The "Missing Person's Inquiry" of Joanna Yeates" and "Cold Case Inquiry" with possible links to a "Serial Killer"..
It's working out which part of each paragraph pertain to which Investigation.... Take The last quote.... I'll split it..
"Thirty detectives are working full time on the investigation " Which Investigation is this from ?? Number (1) Or Number (2)??
The paragraph is split into Two Different Investigations... (IMO)... The second part of the paragraph says....
"40 staff, including uniformed officers, forensic experts and search teams." ...
Now I'm re-reading the media reports I can clearly see that The Two Investigation's are "Running" side by side....
So I need to establish... whether the 40 staff and Forensics are for the :The Joanna Yeates Case" Or ""Cold Case Inquiry" with possible links to a "Serial Killer"... (IMO)
Or Am I reading it wrong again.... I think I am.... We need to establish "How many Detectives and staff etc... were for each case... Because (IMO).. I now don't believe that all of Those Detectives and Staff were working on "The Joanna Yeates Case"...
They tell us themselves in this quote from a Newspaper Article....
"I am not aware of any contact between the two teams and at the current time I am not aware of anything to connect the disappearance of Melanie Hall with this disappearance," Mr Stratford said.
However, Det Chief Insp Gareth Bevan, who appealed for information about the whereabouts of the Tesco pizza, is part of Melanie Hall investigation team and has spoken publicly about that inquiry.
They were appealing for Information... Not only for "The Joanna Yeates Case"... But I believe they were at the same time Looking for someone else That They suspected was a "Possible" ... "Serial Killer"....
It may sound a little far fetched... but I can assure you I do not believe it is... (IMO).... There are certain aspect of "The Case of Joanna Yeates"... That has never added up.... And Physical Evidence that should have been "Produced at Trial That wasn't".... I will give you an example after I post this because my post will be too Long...
If I am on the correct track here... I believe we see a Forensic Team working on the "Outside of Joanna Yeates Building... dusting for Prints.... "Before her body has even been discovered"... So for all intense and Purposes... At this time "Joanna Yeates is simply "classed as "A Missing Person"...
I'm thinking out loud on this next bit..... "When I first mentioned "Ray Palmer"... I thought they had brought him in for the Joanna Yeates Case"..... He gave his expert Opinion In various Newspapers at the time, so it surprised me he was part of "The Joanna Yeates Case".... But thinking back on his expert opinion... maybe he was part of "The Cold Case" team... which would make sense... I do not know this as fact.... it's just (IMO)...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pizza-key-in-search-for-missing-architect-2169048.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-joanna-yeates-pizza-may-hold-793506
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/23/missing-joanna-yeates-parents-appeal
http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/world/64358-distraught-parents-of-jo-yeates-plead-for-help-in-finding-their-missing-architect-daughter.html#ixzz4hdHf0sYM
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As I was writting my above post and about to post it onto the forum I just had a flash of Inspiration.....
(2): A Complex Cold Case Inquiry" with possible links to a "Serial Killer".. (IMO)
Now that Rings a bell with me....
Ann Reddrop, Head of the Crown Prosecution Service South West Complex Casework Unit said:“Vincent Tabak was a cunning, dishonest and manipulative man who knew exactly what he was doing when he killed Joanna Yeates. Today he has been convicted by a jury in Bristol of her murder last year, despite claiming he meant her no harm.
I'm sure I am NOT Imagining This.... It makes more sense day by day..... And my purpose All Along is to "Prove" with the information available to me, and what I have always believed that Dr Vincent Tabak Is Innocent... (IMO).....
http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2011/10/
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Mr Stratford said he was unaware of any contact between the detectives investigating Miss Yeates' disappearance and the murder of Melanie Hall in Bath in 1996.
Jon Stratford is saying he is un aware of any contact between the 2 Teams.... My question Is as follows....
When Gareth Bevan shows "The "Pizza"... It is described as "Like The One Joanna Yeates bought"....
And that is "TRUE".... It's like it.... It's Not It.....When we look at The video of Joanna Yeates in Tesco buy her Pizza, we cannot clearly see The Flavour of "Pizza" she bought... And a while ago I remember Mrswah saying that it was basically a "Margarita", when I pointed out the difference in The image of the Pizza and The description on "Helpfindjo" word press...
n the Tesco store purchasing a Tesco Finest mozzarella, tomato and basil pesto pizza from a self-service checkout.
On the word press it says the "Pizza" is "Margarita" and could show Tesco did in sell the said type of "Pizza" in their "Fineset Range"
So who is Gareth Bevan... Really aiming his "Pizza" publicity video at? when we are all looking out to help "The Joanna Yeates Inquiry"....
They admit in there interviews with the Press... The 2 Investigations are seperate... Which in Logical turn... means "That Gareth Bevan" appearance across The Media.... Was aimed at someone who had "Nothing To do with "The Joanna Yeates Missing Person Inquiry" And in my opinion he should not have sat there with a Pizza trying to imply to the public that "It was related to The Joanna Yeates Missing Person Inquiry"... (IMO)
Obviously hampering the investigation when it need complete commitment from everyone who appeared in the media as part of This Investigation to find Joanna Yeates.... (IMO)
I believe I need to apply this approach to a lot more of the Media stories and press Interviews... Because again... If this "Twin Track Investigation"... is about 2 Seperate Cases and 2 Seperate Investigations ... Then Gareth Bevan advertising "a Pizza " that really has "No" baring on "The Joanna Yeates Inquiry"... Is misleading (IMO)...
DCI Gareth Bevan holding a Tesco Finest tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza. Joanna Yeates bought a pizza like this prior to her disappearance but there was no trace of the pizza, the wrapping or the box in her flat
I will split that sentence...... DCI Gareth Bevan Is Indeed "Holding a Tesco Finest, tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza...
There is no Untruth in that Part of the statement... there is an image to support this....
But we have a 'Fullstop"... Then the next sentence says:
"Joanna Yeates bought a pizza like this prior to her disappearance but there was no trace of the pizza, the wrapping or the box in her flat"
No untruth is said in that statement either.... But it doesn't emphasise the word Like.. It slips by us (IMO)...
But by putting the two sentences together our brain takes in the information as a whole.... And we believe what the picture is telling us... Is that "Joanna Yeates purchased a " Tesco Finest, tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza..." Any any minor difference we dismiss...
The next quote is from helpfindjo wordpress ....
Police have released new CCTV showing Joanna Yeates shopping in Tesco’s on her way home. Detectives know she left the Ram Pub on Park Street at around 8pm on Friday 17th December. On her way home she stopped at Tesco’s on Regent Street where she bought a Tesco Finest Margherita Pizza. However there is no trace of this pizza or its packaging in her home.
The video has been released by detectives hoping people in the area at the time will remember seeing Joanna and contact the police.
So it is easy to see that the two sentences I have pointed out are accurate as Individual sentences that relate to 2 different "Investigations"... (IMO)
And if "The Pizza" Gareth Bevan is so happy to display to be photographed holding a Pizza that could apply to another Investigation..(IMO) and is some kind of visual aid ... Then I'm now questioning.....
How on earth could Dr Vincent Tabak.... dispose of a "Pizza" that really didn't belong to The Joanna Yeates Investigation.... Not In the way it Had been Implied... (IMO)
So if The Famous "Pizza Angle is a Ruse".... That in turn proves (IMO)... That Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent..
What other visual aids did they use in this Investigation that were possibly related to another case??
https://helpfindjo.wordpress.com/page/3/
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I will split that sentence...... DCI Gareth Bevan Is Indeed "Holding a Tesco Finest, tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza...
There is no Untruth in that Part of the statement... there is an image to support this....
But we have a 'Fullstop"... Then the next sentence says:
"Joanna Yeates bought a pizza like this prior to her disappearance but there was no trace of the pizza, the wrapping or the box in her flat"
No untruth is said in that statement either.... But it doesn't emphasise the word Like.. It slips by us (IMO)...
But by putting the two sentences together our brain takes in the information as a whole.... And we believe what the picture is telling us... Is that "Joanna Yeates purchased a " Tesco Finest, tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza..." Any any minor difference we dismiss...
This is from my above post..... I am really taking this info on board... And i hope it rings true to other people... And if what I believe is "Correct" and "The Twin Track Investiagtion"which I believe happened in this instance and a "Cold Case Investigation".. was running along side 'The Joanna Yeates case"... Then I have another one of my moments coming right about "Now.....
Why did The Avon and Somerset get the public to be looking for a "Tesco Finest mozzarella, tomato and basil pesto pizza "....
We remember the:.....
At Line 368 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched for the Press release about
‘domestic rubbish’
‘Yeates’
And this also from the trial....
‘Clifton Road rubbish’
‘393 tons of rubbish trawled through’
‘household collections- Bristol City Council’
‘recycling’
At Line 369 of the prosecution search
Tabak searched for the words
‘amounts of rubbish seized’
Now it "The Pizza" "Tesco Finest mozzarella, tomato and basil pesto pizza" that DCI gareth Bevan is seen holding.. so the public know what type of Pizza to find.... "Why wouldn't Dr Vincent Tabak's so called searches indicate the exact type of "Pizza" Joanna Yeates bought...
And why would he be worried that the are searching Tonnes of Rubbish... looking for what is essentially is "The Wrong Flavour Of Pizza"... If they say he is this "cunning, dishonest and manipulative man who knew exactly what he was doing when he killed Joanna Yeates. " according to Ann Reddrop on the government web page...
If he was that ""cunning, dishonest and manipulative"... I would have Imagined he wouldn't have even been doing any direct search in regards to "The Pizza"... and "Amounts of "Rubbish seized"..... If DCI Gareth Bevan is telling the world that he is "Holding up a Pizza"... but it not the flavour of "Pizza" that Joanna Yeates actually purchased....(IMO)..
If Dr Vincent Tabak was the real killer... And I do not believe he is.... (IMO)... Then he shouldn't have been searching for anything to do with The "Pizza" of The Flavour that DCI Garteth Bevan was Holding.... But rubbing his hands with "Glee"... That the Police have informed "The Public" about The "Wrong" flavour of Pizza Joanna Yeates purchased... And in turn... It is my belief that they wouldn't appear in these supposed searches of Dr Vincent Tabak.. That were used at trial...!!
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
At Line 372 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled the words
‘BCC household rubbish collections’
According to "The searches " Dr Vincent Tabak is obsessed with this "Pizza"..... why would he be so concerned..........
It doesn't make sense in the light of my last few posts....(IMO)
And if "The Pizza" isn't as relevant to "The Joanna Yeates Case" as we have been made to believe....'Then Dr Vincent Tabak whisking the "Pizza" away.. is as made up as the rest of his trial testimony (IMO)
Edit..... Dr Vincent Tabak does not need to use "Google" to search for this illusive "Pizza"... when every "News Article at The time would have had it on their "Front Page"
And searching Just for the word "Pizza" wouldn't give him the Flavour of "Pizza" that Joanna Yeates purchased....
I would have believed these searches more.... If Dr Vincent Tabak had actually "Searched for".. "Margherita Pizza"... In his many searches about "Pizza".... As the rest of The Public were looking for "TTesco Finest tomato, mozzarella and basil pesto pizza"...
Now That search would have been "Evidence he knew about the Pizza",....(IMO)
At Line 340 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled on 26 Dec 2010
‘Yeates’
At 3.00 pm he search the Telegraph Newspaper online
This search shows it's pointles Dr Vincent Tabak searching for the "Word PIZZA"... It wouldn't help him follow the investigation... when here it shows he is already reading online "Newspaper" And his "Pizza searches come after this date... " Gareth Bevan was Holding The "Pizza on 2:22PM GMT 23 Dec 2010...
So Again (IMO).. The Searches are pointless!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8221880/Police-search-for-pizza-bought-by-missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates.html
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Detective Superintendant Mark Saunders was the public face of Operation Braid for only two days - 21st & 22nd December 2010. DCI Gareth Bevan with his pizza became the public face on 23rd December 2010, as I now believe, to signal that Joanna Yeates's disappearance might be linked to the murder of Melanie Hall. From 24th to 27th December, Chief Superintendant Jon Stratford was the public face of Operation Braid.
I don't believe DCI Jones acted as a real SIO at all. I believe it was Anne Reddrop who was really running the case, perhaps from as early as 20th December 2010. She was the mastermind of the twin-track inquiry. There are two officers in this case whose formidable intelligence stands out, and she is one of them. The other is William Clegg QC.
(19): http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8051.msg415537#msg415537
I've attached a link to a post I have just done... So if Detective Superintendant Mark Saunders was the public face of Operation Braid for only two days - 21st & 22nd December 2010.
And I believe he is the head of MCRT.... Then what was he doing in those first few days ??? And why throughout this whole Investigation do we get different Police Officers from Cold Cases popping up all over the Joanna Yeates Investigation????
What did the Police Know early on in this Investigation??
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(31); AMANDA HIRST, Head of Corporate Communications at Avon and Somerset
Who you are and a brief summary of your career history
Response: I am Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications
for Avon and Somerset Police since April 2009. My responsibilities
span media and public relations~ marketing and communications,
web, social and other digital media...
This is the role of said Amanda Hirst.... But she does make some interesting statements in regards the media... I don't think she is a fan of Mark William- Thomas.... (IMO)
It's the Vehicle stops comment that brings me to the conclusion she is refering to "Mark Williams-Thomas"...
Now I wasn't aware that they had decided as early as the 20th December 2010... that it had been in the "Media" that "Joanna Yeates" was A "Missing Person"....
How is that possible... Because "Monday was the 20th January 2010.... and only in the early hours of that morning did they get a Phone Call from Greg Reardon, that his Girlfriend was indeed Missing....
What would make them jump straight to "The Media" on the 20th January 2010 to report her as A missing person... when the could have hardly had a chance to interview the neighbours and establish a course of inquiry....
There more to fill in with her role.... I'll come back to it....
You mean "20th December 2010" (not January). That a landscape architect had been reported missing and that police were searching the slopes of the gorge was made public during the same day as Greg Reardon had telephoned his emergency call soon after midnight. The earliest reports that are still available online, however, date from the following day.
Amanda Hirst's job title was very revealing: Director of Corporation Communications, Avon & Somerset Constabulary. How many other UK constabularies have an equivalent post?
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(39): Lyndsey Farmery....
Lyndsey Farmery???? IT Expert ???? Power Point Pointer Expert ???? or real Job Title Criminal Intelligence Analyst..
It's been really difficult to Pin Point where Lynsdey Farmery sits in this complicated Case... Notice I said Complicated and not complex... The Police appear to have "Complicated" the Case ... which for all intense and purposes is a "Simple Murder Case ...
Ok... Back to Lyndsey Farmery.... I have joked about Lyndsey farmery's command of the "Dutch" language... And to be fair to her ... maybe she can speak Dutch... It got me questioning... Something else too...
At Dr Vincent Tabak's First appearance... He had apparently a "DUTCH" Interpreter along side him who he didn't need to use ....
My question is..... "WHO IS THE DUTCH INTERPRETER????" When looking for images of Lynsdey Farmery... The Image of Dr Vincent Tabak's appearance at Bristol Court... popped up... 'The Court Drawing.... And I wondered why....
Then I looked at it again.....and thought the images of "The Female Dutch Interpreter" next to Dr Vincent Tabak at Bristol Court ... didn't look too dissimilar to Lyndsey Farmery....
A Dutch interpreter was present but Tabak did not appear to have any difficulty understanding proceedings during the two-minute hearing.
Now we have never been given the name of this "Dutch" Interpreter... And like most things innocuous details fly under the radar.... But I do not know how you would verify the name of The Dutch Interpreter " who attended court with Dr Vincent Tabak...The same "Dutch Interpreter who's services were not needed .... But somewhere .. there must be a record of this "Dutch Interpreter"... but I wouldn't know how to go about finding out... I think it is really important, to be honest...
So we have Lyndsey Farmery... The Presenter of Power Point at the Trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... The same presenter of power point whom apparently had analysed Dr Vincent Tabak's laptops to present to the court her findings on Dr Vincent Tabak's apparent searches...
So... Question.... Is Lyndsey Farmery an IT EXPERT??? Well finding out her role at Avon and Somerset Police doesn't support her credentials as being an IT EXPERT....
When looking at the role she has and finding out what this role entails i can across a Police college page.. Explaining The said role of a "Criminal Intelligence Analyst:
Who can apply for data – this is usually carried out by an SIO, investigating officer or intelligence officer, and is not the analyst’s role. The analyst will provide supporting detail for the application.
The impact of the grading of enquiries and what effect this has on how quickly the data may be returned.
So according to the quote.. SIO would give Lyndsey Farmery access to the "Computer Data" and as you can see it is not normally The Criminal Intelligence Anaylyst role to be doing this ...!!!!
To be a "Criminal Intelligence Analyst" the following requirement are needed :
2. Skills required
You'll need:
excellent communication and presentation skills
the ability to build good relationships with people
excellent research skills and the ability to pay attention to detail
analytical skills to write and understand complex data
planning and organisational skills
excellent IT skills for using databases, spreadsheets and specialist software
So we can now see what skills were afforded Lyndsey Farmery"... And she was employed by the Police.... and in NO-WAY would she have access to the "Laptops" of Dr Vincent Tabak" to Anaylise all of the sensetive data which was supposed to be upon them..... (IMO)... The Police already had an E-Service employed... so why allow Lyndsey Farmery to tinker with these laptops, which had The Supposed Evidence They used to bury Dr Vincent Tabak...???
Looking at the role of a "Criminal Intelligence Analyst.... I find this interesting article .. Your role as an intelligence analyst is to protect UK national security and economic well-being, as well as to detect and prevent serious organised crime, such as drug trafficking.
Which is Interesting... with The head Of The Complex Crime Units Involvement not forgetting court room 2 at The Old Bailey...and Now Lyndsey Farmerys job title being established.... what were they actually looking at???
Because It cannot be "A Simple Murder Case "..... (IMO)... But suddenly the roles change... And Ann Reddrop behave as if she is just a simple CPS lady.... and Lyndsey Farmery suddenly becomes an IT EXPERT!!!..
Where they actually Investigating someone else ??????
The first link below... shows a slide show presentation which desribes Lyndsey Farmery as a Criminal Intelligence Analyst... The correct title for her I believe... and not IT EXPERT....!!!! She could have worked in the SCAS
The NCA's Serious Crime Analysis Section (SCAS) works to identify the potential emergence of serial killers and serial rapists at the earliest stage of their offending.
Which makes sense... Because we come back to 'Serial Killers"... An option that keeps raising it's head with this case .... So we have...
(A): Ann Reddropp Head Of The Complex Crime Unit
(B): Lyndsey Farmery becomes a SCSA.. when the crime being detected is:
The role of the analyst in major incidents
This reference material applies to researchers and analysts, irrespective of the nature of their task. However, in major incident analysis, there are unique considerations that need to be taken into account. Considerations:
In order to synthesise intelligence with other material gathered during the enquiry and afford communication between the analyst, SIO and other staff, the analyst should sit in the major incident room (MIR). Where this is not possible, the impact on the analyst’s task and outputs should be considered.
In order to work effectively within a HOLMES 2 environment, the analyst should:
be aware of the processes, structures and governance of major incidents as detailed in the major incident room standardised administrative procedures (MIRSAP) and APP on investigation
be able to search and retrieve material from HOLMES 2
maintain close liaison with the researcher(s) and any external analytical services (such as those employed by the Serious Crime Analysis Section (SCAS))
maintain an awareness of the force and basic command unit intelligence requirements, informing the SIO of issues in the investigation that may impact on these (and vice versa).
This next quote helps to establish what role Anlysts play in "Serious Crimes"..
SCAS analyst
These analysts are specifically trained in the behavioural analysis of serious and sexual crime. The remit of the SCAS analyst includes:
searching the national database to identify potentially linked offences
conducting QUEST/VODS searches to identify potential nominals of interest
liaising with force analysts to offer advice on the relevant importance of the offender’s behaviour to assist searching in-force systems
production of comparative case charts and analysis of these – in linked enquiries it is good practice for SCAS to take the lead on this
I believe a clearer picture is taking shape... And Lyndsey Farmery... Is now also adding to 'The use Of The Complex Crime Unit".... Also casting doubt as to 'Lyndsey Farmerys" Computer Knowledge.... and her attending court to claim that the slide show... was indeed the searches of Dr Vincent Tabak...!!! (IMO)...
Again once more... supporting evidence that they saw this "Murder of Joanna yeates as part of A Complex Crimes which An Reddrop and Lyndsey Farmery were apart of...
The role of the analyst in major incidents be able to search and retrieve material from HOLMES 2
Below is what Holmes 2 is used for !!!!!
HOLMES 2 is an investigation management system to assist law enforcement organisations in their management of the complex process of investigating serious crimes. It enables them to improve effectiveness and productivity in crime investigations, helping to solve crimes more quickly and improve detection rates.
In 1986, UK Police Forces started to employ the original Home Office Large Major Enquiry System (HOLMES) in all major incidents including serial murders, multi-million pound fraud cases and major disasters.
So I believe that "Lyndsey Farmery" was originally employed to look into A Serial Murderer".... (IMO)... With no light at the end of the TUNNEl to find this "SERIAL KILLER"... And with little time available once they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak.. I personally believe that they employed her ability to make slide shows to then become the "IT EXPERT" at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak..... (IMO)...
Edit..
The Present
The success of HOLMES 2 continues to
be proved:- • A number of unresolved murders, originally
entered on HOLMES, have been transferred
to HOLMES 2. The use of HOLMES 2 has
led to some of these cases reaching court.
So we have another proof of evidence that the "Cold Cases" were being looked at as being connected..... (IMO)....
http://www.holmes2.com/holmes2/whatish2/HOLMES2.pdf
http://www.holmes2.com/holmes2/whatish2/
http://slidegur.com/doc/5830427/presentation
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/intelligence-management/analysis/
https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/criminal-intelligence-analyst
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/careers/a-day-in-the-life/serious-crime-analysis
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Is Lyndsey Farmery a police woman? I had her down as a civilian helping the police.
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Is Lyndsey Farmery a police woman? I had her down as a civilian helping the police.
I think she works inside Avon and Somerset Police...
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(5): Forensics Officer Martin Faithfull.
Now I've learnt something new... But it makes sense... Because I believe That Officer Martin Faithful was always a beat Cop....
He was shown the body by "The Birches ..
So... why would he need to stop a body from Snowing if it was covered in snow????
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
I'm obviously missing something, but as the link doesn't work, can you tell me what you mean in your last sentence? "Why would he need to stop a body from Snowing .......
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I think she works inside Avon and Somerset Police...
Not being rude but so do the cleaners!
It would be good to know if she was a professional just brought in for the Joanna Yeates case or if she is actually in the force.
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I'm obviously missing something, but as the link doesn't work, can you tell me what you mean in your last sentence? "Why would he need to stop a body from Snowing .......
The link does work.... It just takes an age to load......
From the link:..
Twitter
juliareidsky
@juliareidsky
Officer Martin Faithfull statement. He was shown the body and caught a glimpse of denim. He closed the road.
Question.... who showed PC Martin Faithful Joanna Yeates body????? And would a PC be in charge of such a serious operation ???? As to close the road??? He may direct traffic elsewhere... But "CLOSE" The Road ?????
Other tweets describe Martin Faithful as a Forensics officer... i thought thats what I had linked it too... anyway... With that tweet all that is revealed is a "GLIMPSE OF DENIM"... and not the description that "The Birches Give in a written statement in court...
The Birches saying:....
Yeates was lying with her knees pointing towards a quarry wall. Birch remembered the top of her white knickers and part of her bare back being exposed through the snow.
Giving far more detail than apparently... Forensic Officer martin faithful did on seeing Joanna Yeates in the snow.... So how did the "BIRCHES" apparently see more than a POLICE OFFICER"?????
The jury was shown images of the snow-covered body as forensic officer, Martin Faithfull, described the operation to retrieve her body.
As far as I am aware... Martin Faithful is just a PC.. A beat cop.. and NOT A Forensics Officer....
Mr Faithfull told the court how the forensic team had made efforts to prevent Miss Yeates frozen body from thawing out, in order to avoid losing any potentially significant evidence.
If Joanna Yeates was as frozen as they claimed she was being outside apparentley on Longwood Lane for 8 days... she shouldn't be thawing at all.... (IMO)... never mind Two independent Police Officers saying they tried to stop her from THAWING!!! Bring the only conclusion... that Joanna Yeates had NOT BEEN ON LONGWOOD LANE FOR 8 DAYS!!!! (IMO)...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/14/joanna-yeates-body-dog-walker
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html
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Not being rude but so do the cleaners!
It would be good to know if she was a professional just brought in for the Joanna Yeates case or if she is actually in the force.
The slide show which is for "Operation Jupiter" which was 2006 I believe ... Lists Lyndsey Farmery... As A " Criminal Intelligence Analyst"...
When she leaves Bristol Crown Court after giving her evidence for The Joanna Yeates Case ... she wears a Lanyard.. saying... "Avon and Somerset Police.... These are the two things that make me believe that she works for 'Avon and Somerset Police....
http://slidegur.com/doc/5830427/presentation
Link to pdf about "Operation Jupiter 2006
http://www.popcenter.org/library/awards/tilley/2006/06-20(R).pdf
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When looking for Lyndsey Farmery yesterday I can across this image of her ... She and a friend are doing a half marathon... 6th September 2009
Can't find where she finished ??
Got me thinking about those Doctored Pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak apparently in various Marathons...
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/lyndseyandannarun
http://www.westmidlandsrunningscene.co.uk/webpagesforWMRS/2009raceresultspage/Bristol_Half_2009.htm
http://www.runbritainrankings.com/results/results.aspx?meetingid=25208
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The drawing showing Vincent Tabak with an interpreter beside him was published in an account of his first court appearance, namely, at Bristol Magistrates Court. She does indeed look strikingly like Lyndsey Farmery, apart from the latter parting her hair left of centre. How amazing! Avon & Somerset Constabulary paid out £3468 in interpreter fees and expenses during the course of "Operation Braid". This hints that Detective Constable Karen Thomas took her own interpreter with her when she travelled to Schiphol on 31st December 2010 to interview Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson, possibily as suspects. The supposition that Lyndsey Farmery was the colleague who accompanied DC Thomas is intriguing. Was Vincent Tabak questioned in Dutch, to ensure that his human rights were not compromised? If he were, the jury was certainly not told. Nor did judge Field ask the witness if this were so.
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The drawing showing Vincent Tabak with an interpreter beside him was published in an account of his first court appearance, namely, at Bristol Magistrates Court. She does indeed look strikingly like Lyndsey Farmery, apart from the latter parting her hair left of centre. How amazing! Avon & Somerset Constabulary paid out £3468 in interpreter fees and expenses during the course of "Operation Braid". This hints that Detective Constable Karen Thomas took her own interpreter with her when she travelled to Schiphol on 31st December 2010 to interview Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson, possibily as suspects. The supposition that Lyndsey Farmery was the colleague who accompanied DC Thomas is intriguing. Was Vincent Tabak questioned in Dutch, to ensure that his human rights were not compromised? If he were, the jury was certainly not told. Nor did judge Field ask the witness if this were so.
leonora.... you're a clever one... that had completeley passed me by.....
Such great store is set by the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak has an Interpreter at his first court appearance that I had not even considered the "Illegal Holland Interview" (IMO)...
Is this the reason the 'Colleague who goes with DC Karen Thomas name is never mentioned ....
This is "Eureka".. stuff leonora.... Who did accompany DC Karen Thomas ????
Was it indeed Lyndsey Farmery??....... Lyndsey Love was it you???
Why wasn't the searches ever questioned as not being translated ???
Surely DC Karen Thomas would have needed a translator... she couldn't assume that Dr Vincent Tabak would understand english and legal terms.. at this point they had NO understanding of Dr Vincent Tabak's command of the English Language...
And I believe that DC Karen Thomas would not have wanted Dr Vincent tabak conversing with his sister in Dutch...
There's a question... Cora to protect her brother would have spoken to him in Dutch I presume.. How would DC Karen Thomas "KNOW" or understand whether or not she was fussing over him... and not just telling him off!!
So you are right leonora I believe... DC Karen Thomas had to have an Interpreter with her when she went to Holland to Interview Dr Vincent Tabak... The question is WHO???
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Leonora... wouldn't the Police normally have a cohoberating officers statement as to what was said at this "Holland" Interview??
Or shouldn't there be another Officers "NOTES" as to what Dr Vincent Tabak said in Holland...
Because DC Karen Thomas's version of EVENTS... Doesn't add up....(IMO)!!!
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(41): Martin Dunscombe... Corporate Communications Officer
By PADRAIC FLANAGAN
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Wed, Jan 12, 2011
Police spokesman Martin Dunscombe said: “We take every piece of information we receive from the public seriously. This is one of many lines of inquiry we’ve pursued.’’
Why did this guy suddenly become the spokesperson for this Inquiry???
You would have thought a more Senior Police Officer would be making comments ....
Corporate Communications Officer
Company NameAvon and Somerset Constabulary
Dates EmployedNov 2008 – Sep 2014 Employment Duration5 yrs 11 mos
LocationPortishead
Head of Communications
Company NameAvon & Somerset Police and Crime Commissioner
Dates EmployedSep 2014 – Jul 2015 Employment Duration11 mos
LocationPortishead
I know he says he's working for Avon and Somerset Police.. But I wondered if he was originally employed as part of the "South West One"...
Big enough to contribute, small enough to care
The Southwest One partnership started in December 2007. It was a unique and collaborative Joint Venture Company, the first of its kind including 4 partners – a county council, a district council a police force and a private sector partner (IBM). Over the 9 years things since Southwest One started the world has changed significantly – economy, politics and funding. In December 2016 Southwest One became a smaller leaner organisation which will continued to deliver services to Avon and Somerset Constabulary and internal services to colleagues in Southwest One itself. In July 2017, Southwest One services will purely focus on Technology Services to Avon and Somerset Constabulary.
I'm sure Southwest One are based at Portishead...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/222649/Joanna-Yeates-boyfriend-s-torment-over-visit-to-newborn-nieces
https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-dunscombe-bb4293b2/
http://www.southwestone.co.uk/index.html
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(42): South West One... IBM Company/ Contract with Avon and Somerset Police..
A 10-year-long deal is due to end in June 2018, and chief constable Andy Marsh confirmed he had "given notice" that the contract will not be renewed.
Instead he said he wants to work with neighbouring police and fire services.
Southwest One, which is 75% owned by IBM, carries out administrative, IT and human resources tasks for the force.
What exactly did Southwest One do in The Joanna Yeates Case ???
Some of The Benefits for SouthWest One Employees...
Rewards and benefits
Wellbeing - Southwest One is committed to maintaining the work-life balance of its employees. Flexibility in working arrangements is an important tool in enabling employees to maintain or improve their balance between home and work.
Southwest One Group Stakeholder Pension Plan - Southwest One offers you membership of a group stakeholder pension plan with Scottish Life to help you save for your future. The plan will belong to you and when you save into it so will Southwest One and the taxman (unless you choose to opt out). This will boost your savings and help you to reach your retirement goals.
Life Assurance Scheme - Subject to eligibility, employees have the opportunity to join the Southwest One Group Life Assurance Plan. The benefit provided by the scheme is a lump sum benefit of four times your basic salary upon your death whilst in service.
Income Protection Plan - Subject to eligibility, employees have the opportunity to join the Income Protection Plan. This is an insured ill-health benefit, which becomes available after 5 ½ years’ continuous service.
Eye Vouchers - Southwest One will pay eyesight tests for employees who are regular computer users.
Employee Support Groups - Employees in Southwest One can now access Employee Support Groups available from Avon and Somerset Constabulary and include:-
Ability - Disability Support Group
Women’s Network Group
BPA - Black Police Association
GPA - Gay Police Association
CPA - Christian Police Association
Employee Support - professional counselling; information and advice, and can help with a range of problems from practical everyday matters to sensitive, traumatic or emotional issues. Leave - annual leave entitlement is determined by length of continuous service, grade and on a pro-rata basis for employees working part-time. In addition to the normal 8 public holidays annual leave starts at 22 days per year. Company Sick Pay - Entitlement to paid sick leave is related to length of service.
Cycle Saver Scheme - The Cycle to Work scheme is a government initiative that allows you to get a brand new bike and safety equipment for your commute to work as a salary sacrifice – with tax benefits!
Childcare Voucher Scheme - The childcare voucher scheme operates on the basis of salary sacrifice whereby employees with child caring responsibilities can choose to receive part of their salary in vouchers. The vouchers are exempt from National Insurance and tax deductions, enabling savings to be made in respect of childcare costs.
Companies House Has a wealth of information... Listed as one of The Officers/Directors Of SouthWest One is Colin Port
PORT, Colin (DIRECTOR)
Correspondence address
P O Box 37, Portishead, Somerset, BS20 8QJ
Role RESIGNED
Director
Date of birth
June 1954
Appointed on
20 March 2008
Resigned on
30 August 2011
Nationality
British
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Occupation
Police Officer
SouthWest One Owed IBM Money... See attached images ...
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06373780/charges/vpE3Hqxn9x99luponvF_IFFns1M
SouthWest One was originally called HOLDTILE LIMITED (See Image )
Another Director of SouthWest One is a company called SWIFT INCORPORATIONS LIMITED
I've come across this company before.. I find it odd that it just sets up companies... Don't know if it's irregular... It's Total number of appointments 107069
This Company also set up "Bob The Builder" AKA.... D.R.A Maintainance
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03467566/officers
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/8d_bnTiwfxh8JIr3YfuwkmkWkCg/appointments
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06373780/officers
http://www.southwestone.co.uk/index.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-36551213
FOI: Asking about Colin Port's involvement as Director of SouthWest One
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/repeat_for_record_will_the_depar
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Leonora... wouldn't the Police normally have a cohoberating officers statement as to what was said at this "Holland" Interview??
Or shouldn't there be another Officers "NOTES" as to what Dr Vincent Tabak said in Holland...
Because DC Karen Thomas's version of EVENTS... Doesn't add up....(IMO)!!!
DC Karen Thomas testified that she was accompanied by a "colleague" at Schiphol. However, the 6 hour duration of the interview, and the 40 pages of notes that were taken during it, seems to have been fed to the press separately from her testimony itself. That in itself is suspicious. I really don't know what the police would "normally" do - but I am sure a "normal" judge would "normally" have asked this witness some very penetrating questions, since Counsel for the Defence failed to cross-examine her at all.
It certainly doesn't add up.
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(21): Tarique Ghaffur, a former head of Scotland Yard's homicide command
Vikram Dodd, crime correspondent
Tuesday 28 December 2010 21.27 GMT
The aim was not just to update the public on the murder of Joanna Yeates but also to help the investigation gain new evidence and develop lines of inquiry.
Police have become adept at using the media in high-profile cases, says Tarique Ghaffur, a former head of Scotland Yard's homicide command who went on to establish the specialist crime directorate.
He is commending Avon and Somerset Police on walking the public through "Police Procedures" and he establish the specialist crime directorate.
Past cases have shown that there are three key ways by which media appeals help the police.
The first is a straightforward appeal for witnesses. The second is when police want to rule in, or out, of their investigation someone close to the victim.
"If you have a suspect, you can put them before the media and put the person on public view to see if their behaviour seems normal," Ghaffur says. "A psychologist can help you do this. Behavioural science is becoming quite important."
The third way media appeals help is by monitoring the reaction of a suspect to the release of information by police. Does their reaction seem normal, do they even start to make admissions?
Ghaffur says: "Giving lots of detail adds pressure on a suspect. Avon and Somerset [police] … have introduced the senior investigating officer, giving more facts about the supermarket receipts and other details. It helps close the net."
I found it curious that Tarique Ghaffur, would find himself on the pages of the media in relation to The Joanna Yeates case ... He too knows that there was more than "One Receipt" that was never produced at trial... we only here about The Tesco's receipt....
So what was "The other receipt from???" because if it was Bargain Booze or Waitrose, why didn't they produce it??
I'm unsure as to whether or not that it was a bit of self promoting or his vast experience was called upon in this case...
There has been untold amounts of high profile Investigators attached to This Case,.. which considering that it was a "Simple Murder Case" has one wondering why??
The "Specialist Crime Directorate ....
The Specialist Crime Directorate (SCD) was one of the main branches of the London Metropolitan Police Service. It dealt with highly visible specialist policing services across the whole of London and provided highly visible specialist policing services across the whole of London. Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley previously led the directorate but it's now led by Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick. The Directorate led national police agency with regard to specialist crime investigations such as e-crime, sex crimes (paedophile unit) or kidnappings, hostage taking and contract killings.
This made me wonder whether or not Tarique Ghaffur had any input into The Joanna Yeates Case... The amount of "Visible" Police Officers around at that time was immense. Again we can see it covers "Complex Crimes "...
Tarique Ghaffur is The Founder of:
Founder & Chairman
Company NameCommunity Safety Development UK Limited
Dates EmployedApr 2009 – Present Employment Duration8 yrs 6 mos
LocationCentral London
We provide innovative security solutions globally. Our main office is in London
Although it doesn't appear in Companies House until March 2011 and has it "Final Gazette" Sept 2017 The company was also registered as "CSD GLOBAL LIMITED" in 2009 at Companies house and is a lead in " Complex Police Investigations..
The Investigations team at CSD Global has extensive experience in all areas of corporate investigations. We have been instrumental in detecting, investigating and preventing major corporate crime and the recovery of multi - million pound losses.
We provide lawyers, and accountants, with support strategies and action plans to ensure our clients have a fair chance of obtaining justice.
Another part of our investigation service is providing help to UK law enforcement agencies, which are increasingly under threat from issue of trust and confidence, leading to failures in delivery standards; we have access to a vast pool of expert ex-law enforcement professionals that can provide support to agency investigations over a broad spectrum of disciplines.
That make me think of Ann Reddrop... and her 21 criteria!!
Did Avon and Somerset Police use the services of "CSD GLOBAL LIMITED" ?? Because I really do not understand why Tarique Ghaffur, felt the need to have his face emblazened across The Guardian Newspaper on the 28th December 2010, The day after DCI Phil Jones was put in charge of 'The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation"....
It's possible... As me and mrswah would agree... Anything is possible in this case...
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2016/643.html (This is an interesting read)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07548261/officers
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tarique-ghaffur-cbe-qpm-4ab705b/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/28/joanna-yeates-murder-media-appeals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarique_Ghaffur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialist_Crime_Directorate_(Metropolitan_Police)
http://csdglobalgroup.co.uk/Investigation/investigation.html
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07029796/officers
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(3): Andrew Mott
What is Andrew Mott.... I've struggled to find anything about him really, but now I think I have done it....
We know him from the Crime Watch Program... And he is "Apparently" "A Forensics" Officer"... But I don't even think he's a "Policeman"...!!!!
I was trying to identify him from this award ceremony and I couldn't see him...
(http://i1.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article4064.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/police-awards-winners-at-ceremony.jpg)
He's not there.... But That made the search for him even more of a challenge....
I found an image of him leaving "Bristol Crown Court"....
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/forensic-crime-scene-coordinator-andrew-mott-leaves-bristol-crown-picture-id809559784?s=612x612[/quote]
And of course the image we remember him by....
[img]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sv3TaXrMDTQ/UKfFOq5eVqI/AAAAAAAAAP4/QVQjfs5iWrI/s1600/Andrew+Mott.JPG)
So who is Andrew Mott!!!!
I have been over the sky tweets before.....
10:42 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
juliareidsky
@juliareidsky
Mott says the body and ground were frozen. Defence asks about a broom handle used to help feed straps under the body.
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10:49 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
juliareidsky
@juliareidsky
Mr Mott says contamination of the frozen body with the broom handle was minimised. #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates
So this made me believe he was a "POLICEMAN".... But It was from the article that the first image comes from the the Information about him is made clear....
The team included Detective Chief Inspector Julie Mackay, Case Review Criminal Investigation Officer Gary Mason and civilian Senior Investigating Officer Andrew Mott.
He's a Civilian who works with the Police..... That is why I have never been able to find him... I have read that article before and of course I have skimmed!!!
Here's what the role of a Civilian Investigating Officer is:
Civilian Investigation Officers (CIOs)
CIOs are trained in the techniques of criminal prosecutions, in particular PACE and PEACE, and a range of investigation techniques. They work alongside detectives gathering evidence and taking statements. This frees up sworn officers and plain clothes detectives to focus on front-line or other investigative priorities. CIOs primarily conduct initial investigations of low level cases, which can be either over the telephone or house-to-house. CIOs can also be responsible for recovering and documenting exhibits and obtaining statements. While these powers are still not full police powers, they do cover most of the territory required to investigate crimes, including powers of seizure and search.
So this Civilian went to court saying that he was a "Forensic Officer"... when in fact he can't have been.... (IMO)
This means that the two so called "Forensic Officers" who gave sworn statements to the court are a Civilian and a PC Plod
Andrew Mott and Martin Faithful.!!!!
I now know what Andrew Mott did on Longwood lane... I'll post it in "Forensics" so this post isn't too long!!
https://www.bluelinejobs.co.uk/roles/police#cios
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/killers-caught-gangs-brought-down-4053
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
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(6): Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford
Looking at :
SCRUTINY ANNUAL REPORT
(Finance and Performance, Community Services and Environmental Services Policy and Scrutiny Panels)
2010 / 2011
I was surprised to find out that Operation Braid is not mentioned Though Operation Jupiter is ....
But that Jon Stratford is "Head of Criminal Justice".... Does anyone know what that title means????
The Panel met on 7 July 2010 to review the likely impact on North Somerset of the Avon and Somerset Constabulary Accommodation Strategy: the future of custody arrangements. This was attended by the District Commander, Chief Superintendent Kay Wozniak, and Avon and Somerset Constabulary’s Head of Criminal Justice, Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford.
http://apps.n-somerset.gov.uk/cairo/docs/doc22358.htm
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(31); AMANDA HIRST, Head of Corporate Communications at Avon and Somerset
I came across an interesting article... And wondered what Exhibit 2 was referring too??
Exhibit 2 to W/S of Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications, Avon and Somerset...
This record is closed
Opening date: 02 November 2097
Submit FOI request
More information about the Freedom of Information review process
Reference: LEV 2/VN3/Z
Description: Exhibit 2 to W/S of Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications, Avon and Somerset Constabulary: Operation Braid - Presentation to the Association of Police Communicators
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
And... Exhibit 3 Exhibit 3 to W/S of Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications, Avon and Somerset...
This record is closed
Opening date: 02 November 2097
Submit FOI request
More information about the Freedom of Information review process
Reference: LEV 2/4DM/Z
Description: Exhibit 3 to W/S of Amanda Hirst, Head of Corporate Communications, Avon and Somerset Constabulary: Operation Braid - Website and Social Media Summary
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
What and why have they closed anything to do with "Operation Braid" for 84 years ???? Now that is bonkers... Anyone care to explain ????
If it was a "Placid Dutchman" whom apparently killed Joanna Yeates.... Then why have we got records sealed for 84 years???? Any ideas ???
Does this not make anyone who believes that Dr Vincent Tabak is guilty.... NOW question that very idea????
Why on earth would you need to seal records for a simple murder case???
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1884d4152b70498b88d862f19aad10c8
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/88b19b139c56434a861cca48101f7073
Edit..... If important documents are sealed for 84 years how would you ever have an Inquiry???
Why are so many documents from The Leveson Inquiry sealed????
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A Mr P. John is asking for FOI with regards The Leveson... Of Course he doesn't get what he wants, but here is an extract of the reason why...
We are unable to provide you some of the information you have requested
because it is covered by the exemption at section 36 of the FOIA.
Section 36 (2) Information to which this section applies is exempt
information if, in the reasonable opinion of a qualified person,
disclosure of the information under the Act
(i) The free and frank provision of advice, or
(ii) The free and frank exchange of views for the purposes of
deliberation
This applies to the notes field on the FOI schedules that were submitted
to the Lord Chancellors Advisory Council.
Here is what the FOI says: Which covers the whole of Section 36 (2)
(2)Information to which this section applies is exempt information if, in the reasonable opinion of a qualified person, disclosure of the information under this Act—
(a)would, or would be likely to, prejudice—
(i)the maintenance of the convention of the collective responsibility of Ministers of the Crown, or
(ii)the work of the Executive Committee of the Northern Ireland Assembly, or
[F2(iii)the work of the Cabinet of the Welsh Assembly Government.]
(b)would, or would be likely to, inhibit—
(i)the free and frank provision of advice, or
(ii)the free and frank exchange of views for the purposes of deliberation, or
(c)would otherwise prejudice, or would be likely otherwise to prejudice, the effective conduct of public affairs.
Annotations:
S. 36(2)(a)(iii) substituted by The Government of Wales Act 2006 (Consequential Modifications and Transitional Provisions) Order 2007 (S.I. 2007/1388), art. 3, Sch. 1 para. 82(3) (the amendment coming into force immediately after the end of "the initial period" (which ended with the day of the first appointment of a First Minister on 25.5.2007) in accordance with art. 1(2)(3) of the amending S.I. and see ss. 46, 161(5) of Government of Wales Act 2006 (c. 32))
What has Operation Braid got to do with exemption at section 36 of the FOIA. The Welsh Assembley?
[F2(iii)the work of the Cabinet of the Welsh Assembly Government.]
(b)would, or would be likely to, inhibit—
(i)the free and frank provision of advice, or
(ii)the free and frank exchange of views for the purposes of deliberation, or
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/36/section/36
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/leveson_inquiry_documents_closed
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A Mr P. John is asking for FOI with regards The Leveson... Of Course he doesn't get what he wants, but here is an extract of the reason why...
Here is what the FOI says: Which covers the whole of Section 36 (2)
Annotations:
What has Operation Braid got to do with exemption at section 36 of the FOIA. The Welsh Assembley?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/36/section/36
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/leveson_inquiry_documents_closed
Your discovery that TWO exhibits submitted by Amanda Hirst as evidence in connection with Operation Braid to the Leveson Inquiry have been lodged with the National Archive, to be kept CLOSED for 84 years, is SENSATIONAL.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/88b19b139c56434a861cca48101f7073
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1884d4152b70498b88d862f19aad10c8
This is the strongest proof yet that behind this "simple" murder case, which the public has been assured was motivated solely by the sexual depravity of an engineer of previously irreproachible character, is concealed a web of intrigue touching the security of the nation.
I myself was once a registered user of the National Archive. I went there in search of material on one of my more sensational ancestors. The staff were amazingly friendly ands helpful, and my search was not entirely in vain. However, I was outraged to be asked to state my race. In the light of your revelation, I can now understand that the staff would have treated me with suspicion if I hadn't put down "Anglo-Saxon".
That the Leveson inquiry heard secret evidence in closed session is a revelation in itself. The public suspected it was a whitewash, but this is evidence indeed. Did Christopher Jefferies also submit secret evidence?
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There are plenty of witness statements that have been sealed... I am looking to see if CJ's had been sealed... In the mean time I came across some rather odds things.... (going slightly off topic)
Why is anything to do withe "The Suffolk Strangler" sealed ??
One particular interesting Item that was sealed was about a "Shoe"...
Reference: LEV 2/4JW/Z
Description: Exhibit_Tania Nicol _shoe_Suffolk Police
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
It peaked my interest for two reasons....
(1): Why would anything to do with the Suffolk Strangler be sealed for 84 Years when they again have the culprit in prison???
(2) The Shoe.... This reminded me of The Journalists reporting on The Joanna Yeates Case and asking if Joanna Yeates had lost a "Shoe"...
Now if it hadn't been for that I wouldn't be questioning it... But The Leveson concentrated on Phone Hacking... So what had the media uncovered???
Because I do not believe they are dropping hints about a shoe for no good reason.... (imo)...
There are plenty more on "The Suffolk strangler" that have been sealed... But I want to stay on topic... I just found it rather odd!
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/75439595e1224a3b9039219e54c0245f
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Phil Jones
Reference: LEV 2/CBTV/Z
Description: W/S of Phillip Jones 29.2.12-Avon & Somerset Police
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/0b9a34c9621a424394c7762c2fc4b395
Reference: LEV 2/CBX6/Z
Description: W/S of Phillip Jones (Police Headquesters, Bristol) Avon & Somerset Constabulary_signed 28.2.12
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/8a51d3057b6541f492d18ebf3296b0de
Reference: LEV 2/TQ7/Z
Description: Exhibit to W/S of Phillip Jones, Avon and Somerset Constabulary: Operation Braid- Media Strategy
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/0a55f9fe2c3747f28417f026dba1a5fa
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Your discovery that TWO exhibits submitted by Amanda Hirst as evidence in connection with Operation Braid to the Leveson Inquiry have been lodged with the National Archive, to be kept CLOSED for 84 years, is SENSATIONAL.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/88b19b139c56434a861cca48101f7073
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1884d4152b70498b88d862f19aad10c8
This is the strongest proof yet that behind this "simple" murder case, which the public has been assured was motivated solely by the sexual depravity of an engineer of previously irreproachible character, is concealed a web of intrigue touching the security of the nation.
I myself was once a registered user of the National Archive. I went there in search of material on one of my more sensational ancestors. The staff were amazingly friendly ands helpful, and my search was not entirely in vain. However, I was outraged to be asked to state my race. In the light of your revelation, I can now understand that the staff would have treated me with suspicion if I hadn't put down "Anglo-Saxon".
That the Leveson inquiry heard secret evidence in closed session is a revelation in itself. The public suspected it was a whitewash, but this is evidence indeed. Did Christopher Jefferies also submit secret evidence?
Yes Leonora...
Reference: LEV 2/CCLF/Z
Description: Exhibit CJ2 to w/s of Christopher Jeffries
Held by: The National Archives
Legal status: Public Record
Closure status: Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Closed For 84 years
Record opening date: 02 November 2097
CJ's witness statement has been sealed for 84 years.....
Now why would they need to do a thing like that if Dr Vincent Tabak had killed Joanna Yeates ???? Who did CJ.. See at the gate or in and around Canygne Road??? What did CJ know... ??? Now we come to understand why they had Dr Vincent Tabak tell a tall story about how Joanna Yeates died.... It was complete and utter trash!!!!
Something extremely dodgy is going on....
And if anyone still believes that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates then they are off their heads..... (imo)
What is being covered up leonora????
CJ's second witness statement is Gold!! Now I understand why you get so het up about it... There is NO need to hide anyones witness statement in relation to this case....
They never wanted CJ at That Trial They obviously couldn't afford to have him there.... Who is being protected??
The Yeates family obviously still haven't received Justice have they.... !!
Isn't it about time "The Media" grew some balls and said something??? They obviously know what is going on!!!!
Or do they not dare?? What happened to Freedom of the press???
Lord have mercy..... I think the media should have an expose..... I believe that they should do a campaign daily from the date Joanna Yeates went "Missing"...
I believe it is time for them to start writing... They can start on the 17th December 2017, right through to 28th October 2018 and give us every detail they actually know....
And stop hiding the truth from everybody...(Please...)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/28b474f733f0437e895ea7b0ed4a496d
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I am stunned. The Suffolk Strangler Case was part of our inquiry since we began, and you’ve dug this up. What are they trying to hide indeed.
AH
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I am stunned. The Suffolk Strangler Case was part of our inquiry since we began, and you’ve dug this up. What are they trying to hide indeed.
AH
There are many documents in relation to "The Suffolk Strangler Case" that have been sealed AH... not just the one I showed you... But many many more!!!
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Perhaps CJ isn’t the ball busting, police bashing superhero he’s been painted as. If he did see something the powers that be didn’t want made public, did they engineer the whole charade of his attendance at a government inquiry and pay for the cost of producing a celebrated and award winning piece of crappy TV just to buy his silence, oh and an undeclared for tax purposes unspecified bung and a bottle of hair dye.
AH
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(1): Why would anything to do with the Suffolk Strangler be sealed for 84 Years when they again have the culprit in prison???
According to Noel O'Gara the man in prison is not the culprit at all, and this is yet another cruel conviction of an innocent man who was set up by the actual killer:
http://www.suffolkstrangler.com/
This revelation cannot be considered off-topic so long as we have evidence that evidence in both these case has been buried. In the Suffolk case, there is no doubt that the scapegoat really is inside.
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Perhaps CJ isn’t the ball busting, police bashing superhero he’s been painted as. If he did see something the powers that be didn’t want made public, did they engineer the whole charade of his attendance at a government inquiry and pay for the cost of producing a celebrated and award winning piece of crappy TV just to buy his silence, oh and an undeclared for tax purposes unspecified bung and a bottle of hair dye.
AH
Never saw CJ as a superhero.... There's more to do with CJ... and in all cases it is always about Leverage..
The dramatisation I couldn't see the purpose of to be honest... But if that was a way they paid CJ.. then maybe it stopped him suing The Police... which he never did....
I hoped CJ was a man of principles... but he too has been paid for his silence.... (imo)
What happened to good old fashioned "Principles and Morals"??? It used to count for something when I grew up....!!!
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According to Noel O'Gara the man in prison is not the culprit at all, and this is yet another cruel conviction of an innocent man who was set up by the actual killer:
http://www.suffolkstrangler.com/
This revelation cannot be considered off-topic so long as we have evidence that evidence in both these case has been buried.
I always wondered why the title of that webpage, was 'The Suffolk Strangler"... makes sense now ... !!!
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CJ and The House of Lords....
CJ gets about.....
Lord Woolf: Yes. What do you think, Mr Jefferies?
Christopher Jefferies: Yes, I entirely agree. It seemed to me that Robert Jay’s function was twofold
in my experience. The first part was to highlight aspects of the evidence that I had given that he felt
particularly significant and then, secondly, to invite me to enlarge on any aspects that he thought
might be valuable or of public interest. Certainly, I was, for example, at his invitation able to
highlight the fact that a letter that I wrote to the Press Complaints Commission had until that time
gone unanswered.
Lord Richard: Good, thank you. Mr Jefferies?
Christopher Jefferies: Yes, I would entirely concur with that. As I said, I did appear on two
occasions so there were both written submissions and then oral evidence on both occasions. At
the end of each session, Robert Jay was extremely careful to ask whether there was anything that
he had not covered that I wanted to say more about.
Why would Robert Jay need to be extremely careful ??
Q172 Lord Morris of Aberavon: Were you able to choose your own? Was it allocated to you
or did you go to them?
Julie Bailey: No, we had an opportunity to choose and we were fortunate that we had used the
barrister, our lead barrister, for the non-statutory inquiry so we had had experience of him. It is a
tall task to expect the public to be able to choose who they think is going to be able to represent
them. It is only because we had had experience of the non-statutory inquiry.
Christopher Jefferies: If I could just go back briefly to the previous question and say that certainly
as far as my experience was concerned there was none of the pressure that you suggest. Indeed,
my experience was that the inquiry was conducted extremely efficiently and expeditiously and I
hope will be thought to have been extremely cost-effective.
Cost effective for whom???
Lives have been taken and no-one is owning up to this.... It has been swept under the carpet....
The Chairman: I do not know whether Mr Jefferies has anything to add, and then Lord Soley.
Christopher Jefferies: Yes, I think I would agree with a great deal of what has just been said. As far
as my experience of the inquiry and its outcome are concerned in terms of the report of Lord
Justice Leveson, I am very happy indeed. I agree with the point about the possible value of wider
consultation over the terms of reference of the inquiry. I think the only thing that I would add so
far as the outcome is concerned is that it has been rather unfortunate that we have had such a
tortuous procedure to get to where we have with the, I hope, imminent sealing of the cross-party
charter at the end of this month.
Q185 Lord Soley: It is a very difficult area, this, because the suggestion Ms Bailey is making is
that there ought to be a legal enforcement of the recommendations, but we heard from Sir Brian
Leveson that the last thing he wanted was to be involved in carrying forward any recommendation.
In a sense, I suspect it has to be a parliamentary thing and Parliament has to decide what is going to
be carried forward, whether it is on the health service or on Leveson. If you have a situation where
there is a legal requirement, then in all cases, including the Leveson one, they would just have to
act on it. Although some people might say that is a very good thing, other people most notably
would say it is not a good thing. I wonder if you would agree that maybe this is where Parliament
Julie Bailey and Christopher Jefferies – Oral evidence (QQ 152 – 189)
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ought to be looking—indeed, as it perhaps has in Leveson—very, very carefully on how the
recommendations are put into effect or whether or not they are put into effect. Certainly, Sir Brian
Leveson did not want a follow-up approach as you would want with Mid Staffs, and I can see why. I
think there is a very real difference, but you can see where there is, if you like, a political dilemma.
Maybe it is a challenge to Parliament that we ought to find a way of dealing with that.
Christopher Jefferies: Yes, I think I would very much agree with the direction in which your
argument is taking you. Again, the only thing I would add is that it was rather unfortunate in that
having, in effect, set up both before and during the inquiry his own tests as to whether or not the
recommendations would be acceptable—namely, that the Leveson recommendations had to be
acceptable to victims as well as the press and politicians, and that they would be implemented
unless they were bonkers—there was a considerable stepping back from what everybody had taken
to be that commitment once the report of the inquiry was published.
Why is CJ there ???
Lord Richard: It proved so in the case of Leveson.
Christopher Jefferies: Could I just very briefly interject there?
Baroness Buscombe: Please do.
Christopher Jefferies: There is a very handily produced summary of the core recommendations of
the inquiry, which was published at the same time as the full report. That is certainly in terms of
length or density not an impediment to comprehension or being grasped by anybody who is
interested in the subject.
CJ.. likes to talk.... Maybe he can tell us what is in his second witness statement... and not the none-sense we have come to know !!!!!
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/Inquiries-Act-2005/IA_Written_Oral_evidencevol.pdf
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This is what is missing from CJ and maybe more..
15 pp18-19, lines 25-6, Christopher Jefferies, http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/
Transcript-of-Morning-Hearing-28-November-2011.pdf
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4. Christopher Jefferies
Introduction
4.1 Joanna Yeates was the tenant of Christopher Jefferies who owned a number of flats in the
Clifton area of Bristol. Mr Jefferies is a retired English teacher, having enjoyed a long and
distinguished career at Clifton College between 1967 and 2001. On 19 December 2010
Ms Yeates’ partner, who had been away for the weekend, reported her as missing to the
police. On Christmas Day her body was found at the edge of a quarry three miles away;
she had been strangled to death. The Avon and Somerset Constabulary opened a large-scale
murder investigation and press interest in the story was, understandably, massive
What day did Greg Reardon report Joanna Yeates Missing.... according to this it was the 19th December 2010????
Again in this report...
Similar strictures had previously been made in a somewhat different tone, but with equivalent
accuracy, by Ms Yeates’ partner, Greg Reardon, who issued a press statement on 1 January
2011 in these terms:71
‘Jo’s life was cut short tragically but the finger pointing and character assassination
by social and news media of as yet innocent men had been shameful. It has made
me lose a lot of faith in the morality of the British press and those who spend their
time fixed to the internet in this modern age ... I hope in the future they will show a
How odd!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/270941/0780_ii.pdf
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This is what is missing from CJ and maybe more..
15 pp18-19, lines 25-6, Christopher Jefferies, http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/
Transcript-of-Morning-Hearing-28-November-2011.pdf
Can't get the link to work!!
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Can't get the link to work!!
That was the point.... It doesn't!!!! Obviously been removed...!
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Now I have found this pdf.. and I am not sure what to make of it...
25 even when one of their own columnists brought the
Page 38
1 attention of those letters to one of the editors.
2 Q. Deal with the impact on you, particularly in the context
3 of the libel and the overall context.
4 Because by the time the libel actions were
5 settled -- indeed, before then -- it was conclusively
6 established that you were not guilty of the murder of
7 Joanna Yeates because someone else was. At that stage
8 the someone else, who of course has now been convicted,
9 the possibilities were only murder or manslaughter, but
10 his involvement was definitively established.
11 A. Yes.
Now how does CJ know that Dr Vincent Tabak was established as having involvement in Joanna Yeates Murder??
Because as far as I can see there was nothing to establish that Dr Vincent Tabak was in anyway involved wit the death of Joanna Yeates....
Is this the part of CJ's second witness statement.... did he see Dr Vincent Tabak at The little gate with 2 other individuals???
Did Dr Vincent Tabak happen to leave at the same time as the 2 other individuals?? Did he give them a lift?? What makes Dr Vincent Tabak say he's responsible???
If CJ had evidence that Dr Vincent Tabak was involved... why was it not brought to trial ???
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122201750/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Transcript-of-Morning-Hearing-28-November-2011.pdf
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Christopher Jefferies knew Vincent and Tanja quite well, as they had lived in their flat for some time before Joanna's murder. He might not have known Joanna and Greg so well, as they hadn't been in their flat for long. IMO, it is quite possible that he could have seen Joanna at the gate and not been sure that it was her.
Vincent Tabak was 6 feet 4 inches tall, so fairly easy to spot by his landlord, I would think. If CJ did see him at the gate, IMO, he would have recognised him.
So, indeed, why wouldn't that information have been brought to trial?
Also, why wouldn't VT have admitted to having been there? It isn't half so incriminating as admitting to having killed Jo in her flat.
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(43): Inspector David Horwood.
But after Dutchman Vincent Tabak, 32, appeared in court charged with Jo’s murder today, police revealed they would look again at the arrest of Jefferies.
His friends say they expect him to be ”de-arrested” in the next few days.
Police Inspector David Horwood, from Avon and Somerset police, confirmed: ”We are now considering the impact of the charge on other aspects of the investigation.”
These Titles that these Policemen are given are very confusing...
An Inspector is anyone who completes a 1 year course....
The scope of the role is vast, varied and critical to the success of the police force.
As an inspector, you’ll be on the front line of crime initiatives, providing leadership in challenging and difficult incidents.
On a day-to-day basis, you’ll lead and supervise a shift consisting of constables and sergeants. It’s about effectively using resources and managing budgets in the best way possible. Taking leadership and responsibility for major incidents, you’ll ensure that decisions taken are implemented efficiently and safely. You’ll always work to the highest standards, so that you can justify your actions and confidently handle complex and difficult situations. In short, this is a crucial leadership and operational role.
To thrive as an inspector, you’ll need to have flexible leadership skills, a willingness to challenge existing practices and a commitment to your own development. You’ll need to be confident at building partnerships and leading effective organisational change. This will be supported by your business skills and dedication to long-term, strategic visions. A creative thinker, you’ll always look to improve procedures and achieve the best outcomes.
Programme structure
Although you’ll hold the rank of inspector, you’ll undergo training as a constable and sergeant first. The programme combines classroom learning with operational training – giving you everything that you need to progress and showing you how to put it into practice. Ultimately, you’ll need the determination and confidence to manage your own professional development throughout the programme.
The structure of the programme
In-force induction
The programme begins with a two-week orientation, including training in first aid and personal safety.
College of Policing – Module 1
This module aims to prepare you for your first operational rotation as a constable.
Inspector
In just under a year, you’ll step into the role of an inspector. You’ll supervise constables and sergeants, plan and organise policing operations and set the strategy and response at critical incidents. Due to the 24-hour nature of the role, you might frequently find yourself as the most senior officer on duty.
The rest can be read here : http://www.leadbeyond.police.uk/inspectors/about-the-role/
That's a very quick turn around for an important role (imo)
http://stories.swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-police-reviewing-chris-jefferies-arrest-after-charging-vincent-tabak-14158/
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(44): Hookie
This Police Officer is seen when Peter Stanley is taken to the Police Station... He collects some evidence bags and places them inside his car... Even though it is stated that forensics has not been done at Peter Stanleys..
I discovered his name was "Hookie" from the Channel 4 program "The Murder Detectives Episode 1" about the murder of a 19 year old man.
We have DCI Andy Bevan talking to the squad...
He says at 4:40 of the video....
The family liaison Officers is "Hookie"...."Yoz" Are they here?
Hookie identifies himself and says...
Myself and Yoz have picked up contact with the family, erm.. I've had a brief conversation with his mum
Image 1:... Outside Peter Stanleys
Image 2:.. From The Murder Detectives program he is sat with Yoz.
Also in the room are the family liaison Officers from The Joanna Yeates case..
Image 3: DCI Russ Jones
Image 4: DC Emma Davis
I presume after so many Years "Russ Jones and Emma Davis" are no longer the family liaison officers and "Hookie" and "Yoz" took up the role... Unless "Hookie" has always been a (The) "Family Liason Officer".... And in his role he is very tactile with the family, which I never noticed with Emma and Russ.. In fact... I do not remember seeing either "Russ" or "Emma" at the press conferences of The Yeates Family...
But "Hookie" is sat at the press conference with the family of the 19 year old young man....
"Russ' and "Emma" act more like chaperones than Family Liaison Officers when accompanying The Yeates Family.... (imo)
The times we do see "Russ and Emma" with The Yeates family are when they attend "Longwood Lane" and of course "Bristol Crown Court"... The Yeates arrive in various Police cars to these locations.... Again adding to my suspicions that their role is of "Chaperone" as no-one travelling a Police car can travel without being accompanied by an Officer being in the role of Chaperone...
All Passengers
Northumbria Police recognises that particular risks may be presented when single-crewed officers or police staff carry unaccompanied passengers. A dynamic assessment should be undertaken encompassing all the risk factors including the vulnerability of both the passenger and the single-crewed officer or police staff member, and the risks associated with awaiting the arrival of a colleague or other third person to act as chaperone.
Everything in this case is NOT what it seems... So I can believe it is almost certain that "Russ and Emma " could just be "The Chaperones " of The Yeates Family as I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary... When on Longwood Lane, "Russ and Emma" keep their distance, which is rather strange...(imo)..
Now that brings us back to what "Hookies" role was in this Investigation.... And has "Hookie" always been a(the) Family Liaison Officer???
Therefore what was "Hookie" doing inside and at 42 Canygne Road???
Who also lived there besides the people we know about???
Edit.. The Officers Name is DC Jonathan Hook (image attached)
Extensive experience in Homicide investigation. Peer mentor and tutor. Diversity advocate Ethics Committee
Member
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-hook-69aa7281/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gavcp
https://www.northumbria.police.uk/about_us/policies_plans_and_strategy/policies/general_policing_issues/passengers_in_police_vehicles/
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And to add to the above post with regard "Russ and Emma's" Role as Chaperones, we have this video clip of them leaving Bristol Crown Court at the trial....
The are with Greg and Frank Reardon and get into the car with Greg and Frank Reardon... The date is the 28th October 2011..
If Russ and Emma were indeed "The Family Liaison Officers they have pretended to be, you would have thought that they would not been at court on that day and instead have been at the home of The Yeates Family offering them comfort as the verdict comes in... What ever the outcome of the Verdict... BUT NO....
They are still chaperoning... And it's not the Yeates Family that they are Chaperoning!
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-greg-reardon-boyfriend-of-joanna-yeates-news-footage/131193032
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(45): DC Emma Davies
Emma Davis's role in this case was Family Liaison Officer, and I posted that I believed she possibly was just a chapperone... I have had difficulty finding out information with regards Emma's position within Avon and Somerset Police.... But....
Using "The Murder Detectives Program", Emma Davies is sat amongst the Avon and Somerset Officers at the briefing and is wearing a Lanyard that clearly shows she is from the Welsh Police... Or based in Wales.... (images attached)...
I had missed it before also... As she leaves the court with Greg Reardon at trial you can also see that she wears this welsh lanyard... (image 3)
I believe that the LinkedIn account I have discovered is very possibly our Emma Davis....
Emma Davies
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Emma Davies
Crime reduction tactical advisor at South Wales police
South Wales police Merthyr Tydfil, Merthyr Tydfil, United Kingdom 0 0 connections
Experience
South Wales police
Crime reduction tactical advisor
Company NameSouth Wales police
Stating that she is in fact a tactical advisor and not a DC
Our Crime Reduction and Tactical Advisors
Our Crime Reduction and Tactical Advisors work across our force area and are available to provide and advice and information to help prevent you becoming a victim of crime.
Rhondda Cynon Taf and Merthyr Tydfil
Emma Davies
Telephone: 01443 743629
E-mail: Emma.Davies@south-wales.pnn.police.uk
Carl Elliott
Telephone: 01443 657247
E-mail: Carl.Elliott@south-wales.pnn.police.uk
Throughout the Joanna Yeates Murder Inquiry many forces got together to help in this case.... Did Emma pop over from Wales to assist??
If Emma Davies is this tactical advisor... Then I personally cannot see her being a Family Liaison Officer... (imo)
Since this Case has been full of untruths, i have begun to question all the roles that people played in this case... And Emma Davies role needs further scrutiny..(imo)
If Emma Davis was The Tactical Advisor, then who were the Family Liaison Officers attached to The Yeates family ???
Now there a FOI request if ever I saw one... !
https://www.south-wales.police.uk/en/advice/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-davies-65847710a/
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-murder-detectives/on-demand/59006-002
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(46): Karl Harrison
The jury heard that leaves found on the victim's body had been placed there and compressed against her, according to forensic archaeologist Dr Karl Harrison.
This is the only account that is available in the media, that Dr Karl Harrison gave evidence .
His witness statement was read out to the jury.
Name of Institution: Cranfield University
Department :Department of Engineering and Applied Sciences
Address :Defence Academy of the UK
Shrivenham
City: Swindon
County / State: Wiltshire
Postal Code : SN6 8LA
Location of Academic Expert: United Kingdom
Current Position: Lecturer in Forensic Archaeology
Previous Positions: 2010 – Present LGC Forensics
Lead Scientist, Forensic Archaeology / Business Development Partner, Forensic Ecology
I am a contracted forensic scientist in the field of forensic archaeologist as well as Business Development Lead for the LGC Forensics Ecology Service.
2009 – 2010 Forensic Science Service
Forensic Archaeologist
I was the sole contracted expert Forensic Archaeologist working for the Forensic Science Service as part of their Natural Justice suite of specialist services.
2009 – 2010 Staffordshire University
Lecturer in Forensic Investigation
Delivery BSc Forensic Investigation; delivery of MSc Forensic Science; Research and publication on forensic archaeology.
2007 – 2009 LGC Forensics
Lead Scientist, Ecology & Scene
Reporting Forensic Archaeologist; excavation and recovery of human remains; scene sampling and non-reporting processing of soils and pollen; coordination of Ecology services; Evidence Group Leader for Scenes; scene coordinator; training to report fire scenes.
2005 – 2010 Cranfield University
Research Fellow in Forensic Archaeology
Module Leader ‘Recovery of Buried Remains’; Joint Module Leader ‘Investigation and Evidence Collection’. Primary lecturer on both of the above, further lecturing on ‘Introductory Archaeology’, ‘Soils and Decay’ and ‘Forensic Archaeology & Anthropology Short Course’
2003 – 2007 West Midlands Police
Acting Senior Scenes of Crime Officer, Crime Scene Manager, Crime Scene Investigator
Management of divisional forensic examination strategy; liaison and advice given to senior police officer and divisional management teams. Production of forensic strategy for major scene examination; coordination, management and training of junior Crime Scene Investigators; coordination of the work of forensic specialists at crime scenes; examination of crime scenes; attendance at court.
2001 - 2003 Wiltshire Constabulary
Crime Scene Investigator
Examination of crime scenes; evidential recovery; attendance at court.
2009 – 2010 Forensic Science Service
Forensic Archaeologist
I was the sole contracted expert Forensic Archaeologist working for the Forensic Science Service as part of their Natural Justice suite of specialist services.
What is LCG's "Natural Justice Suite of Specialist Services"?
Was all that Dr Karl Harrison at trial for was to say that leaves were pressed against Joanna Yeates body??
LinkedIn
Forensic Archaeologist; Ecology Services Development Partner
Company NameLGC Forensics
Dates Employed2010 – 2013 Employment Duration3 yrs
Lead Forensic Ecologist reporting Forensic Archaeology
Lead Forensic Ecologist...
Forensic Ecology: A Practitioner s Guide provides a complete handbook covering all aspects of forensic ecology. Bringing together the forensic applications of anthropology, archaeology, entomology, palynology and sedimentology in one volume
Meaning that Dr Karl Harrison must be multifaceted in his role at LCG, having the expertise in anthropology, archaeology, entomology, palynology and sedimentology.
When did Dr Karl Harrison apply all of these facets?? Where all of these facets used to uncover what had happened to Joanna yeates... Was his witness testimony so long and difficult for the jury to understand that they fell asleep...
Did he find insects activity at the scene?? Did he find any "Buried Items" at the scene... what type of leaves were around Joanna Yeates... were they just from the trees above her??? What pollen samples did Dr Karl Harrison test, were these samples used at court??
The reporting from Dr Karl Harrison's statement is very sparse and I believe that there should have been a lot more information from this expert whom with his expertise could possabily have given a time of death with the insect activity...
So What did we discover from Dr Karl Harrisons testimony??? And why did he NOT appear in court in person???? He has made appearance on many cases, so why not this one????
It appears he can just tell us about leaves packed around a body... And obviously there could be NO Cross Examination of this witness as he didn't appear...
Everything that Dr Karl Harrison discovered in relation to where Joanna Yeates body was recovered from is of great importance... Yet they felt that this witness didn't need to attend court to explain his discoveries to a jury, and for a jury to understand the importance of Dr Karl Harrisons expert testimony....
Why have so many witness just made statements ? Witness's that SHOULD have been at trial, witness's that could explain what there role in this Investigation was.... And on which days he attended the scene of Crime!
Or is it what I have been saying all along... His testimony is needed for the person that really did kill Joanna Yeates and all of the "REAL" evidence that has been collected can be used against them???
Just a thought!!
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-harrison-a49b9630/
https://news.sky.com/story/killer-confessed-to-chaplain-10484853
http://www.academic-expert-directory.com/index.php/browse-the-directory?pid=56&sid=666:Harrison
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forensic-Ecology-Crime-Developments-Science/dp/1119974194
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html
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(3): Andrew Mott Proof he is a "Civilian"
Why Avon and Somerset Police insist on letting us all believe that 'Andrew Mott" actually has powers and is a "Police Officer" is beyond me.....
This quote is from an 'Avon and Somerset" Police meeting....
EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers. The College of Policing has NOW
made a decision that police staff in investigative type roles will be able to be
considered and apply for DC type roles. As such a paper will be submitted to COG
seeking approval for police staff to move into some DC roles. MS agreed this option
would be cheaper. CW stated they will remain under different contractual terms and
conditions, as 1 is a crown servant and 1 is a contracted employee.
So why do they bring him out in many cases as if he has some power???
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Senior Investigator Andy Mott said there's "no risk to the wider public" as murder inquiry continues in #Taunton http://ow.ly/l7NK306lGbJ
Now the link to Avon and Somerset Police has nothing on it .... It has been removed The Murder Inquiry seems to have disappeared...
We’ll be carrying out a full and thorough investigation into Tracey’s death and have arrested a 35-year-old man on suspicion of her murder.
We’ve updated Tracey’s family and they will continue to be supported by a specially trained liaison officer. We’re appealing for anyone with information about Tracey’s death to come forward. Did you see or hear any unusual activity in or around Rowan House in Bishport Avenue on Saturday 25 November or the days before? Do you have information which could be useful to our investigation? If you do, please call us.”
– SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICER ANDY MOTT, MAJOR CRIME INVESTIGATION TEAM
So how did "Andrew Mott" get within feet of the body of Joanna Yeates?? So much so, that he is called as a witness to the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak...
Mr Mott is a forensic co-ordinator. He describes arriving at the scene on Christmas Day #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates
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#vincenttabak sitting with eyes covered and head in hands as pathologist, Andrew Mott gives evidence about recovering #joannayeates body
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Andrew Mott, wearing protective clothing, went to the body. The snow was undisturbed around it. There was apparent blood staining on a wall.
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#Vincenttabak has his head forward in his clasped hands
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Court sees pictures of the snow covered body as Andrew Mott describes how it was moved from the scene.
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Mr Mott says contamination of the frozen body with the broom handle was minimised. #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates
So Clegg... Explain to me why on earth you didn't question the FACT That "Andrew Mott" Is a "CIVILIAN" Officer... ???
Why did you go along with the Charade ??? You should be ashamed of yourself Mr Clegg... You clearly ignored anything in that trial and did NOT REPRESENT YOUR CLIENT TO YOUR FULLEST POTENTIAL!!!
Since when do we have "Civilian's" giving expert testimony at trial...??? Why on earth would they allow "Andrew Mott" anywhere near the body of Joanna yeates???
Was Andrew Mott ever actually on Longwood lane??? Did he commit perjury?? I have spent endless time trying to find him on Longwood Lane and I cannot...
"Andrew- "Civillian"- Mott" Why did you appear at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, when you are just a CIVILIAN... Did you ever get anywhere near the body of Joanna yeates on Longwood lane.... Or did you just have a trip to the Mortuary?? maybe not even that... You problably only saw the pictures (imo)...
Come on Andrew Mott... The Price is Right.... Time to be Honest Mate...!!! Tell the nice ladies and gentlemen what your role really was... tell them how you are NOT a Real COPPER!!!!!
Tell them how you were happy to go on the stand and tell tales that your role should NOT have had you anywhere near the crime scene... You have NO qualifications for your supposed position... so how do you quantify being at court representing the "Avon and Somerset Constabulary" in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... And your complicity in this charade they call a trial!!!
It's a disgrace!! It's outrageous!!! Just lets remind ourselves...
EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers.
Not Accredited!!! Oh Dear Andrew... What have you got to say for yourself????
One last thing...
The College of Policing has NOW
made a decision that police staff in investigative type roles will be able to be
considered and apply for DC type roles.
That sounds like that was a recent decision... The Pdf is 2013... So what roles were 'Civilians" allowed to portray in 2010/2011??
Andrew... has someone set you up for a fall??
Edit.... He's even described as a "Forensic Coordinator" in The Crimewatch Documentary... And Crime Watch went with it!!! He is a "CIVILIAN"!!
https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/800301192593055744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDtLjPfdw0
http://www.avonandsomerset-pcc.gov.uk/Document-Library/TERM-ONE/Reports-and-meetings/Meetings/HR-Meeting-notes---29-November-2013.pdf
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/murder-inquiry-launched-in-taunton/
http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/topic/avon-and-somerset-police/
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2
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Power to the police staff? Big changes to police powers
The Police Reform Act 2002 (PRA) permits Chief Officers to “designate a relevant employee as an officer” holding certain police powers: section 38 and schedule 4. The employee only carries the powers designated to them by the Chief Constable, for use in the course of employment with the constabulary. Staff without express designation have no such power.
So does this mean that Chief Constable "Colin Port" oked it for "Andrew"Civilian"Mott" to take the stand at trial to represent Avon and Somerset Constabulary at Dr Vincent Tabak's trial ???
Colin anything to say????
Concluding remarks
The fact that the ability to delegate policing powers has opened up significantly does not mean a formal written designation is no longer required. Chief officers must expressly designate the powers they wish their staff or volunteers to have. But now they have more to choose from, and will be able to limit the exercise of designated powers to particular functions and localities.
One crucial feature of the PRA system of staff empowerment has not been amended by PCA: the general limitation on designation of powers in section 38(4). Chief officers shall not designate any power to persons, unless they are “satisfied” that the person is:
• Suitable to carry out the designated functions;
• Capable of effectively carrying out those functions; and
• Adequately trained.
“Schedule 3B
Designations under section 38
Part 1
Excluded powers and duties of constables
1 Any power or duty of a constable to make an arrest.
2 Any power or duty of a constable to stop and search an individual or a vehicle or other thing.
3 The power of a constable, under section 36(4) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, to perform the functions of a custody officer at a designated police station if a custody officer is not readily available to perform them.
4 Any power that is exercisable only by a constable of a particular rank.
So section 4:
4 Any power that is exercisable only by a constable of a particular rank.
There we go... The Civilian takes the stand!! Why Colin ?? Why?? Please explain??
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/3/schedule/10/enacted
http://ukpolicelawblog.com/index.php/9-blog/112-power-to-the-staff-big-changes-to-designated-powers
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Is it normal for a "CIVILIAN" Officer to attend and take the stand in a high profile Murder Case??
Do "Civilian Officers ever get as far as Court?? Wouldn't it be more prudent to have an actual accredited Officer at a trial???
Just a thought!!
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From above post..
EZ reminded SM and MS that Andy Mott is a civilian SIO however he is not
accredited as he doesn’t have warranted powers.
Warranted Powers
The Home Secretary proposes to replace the existing list of powers that can be designated to police staff with a new list of core powers that can only be exercised by a warranted officer. These are the powers that have the greatest effect on the liberty of the citizen for example, to arrest, to stop and search and to enter property.Outside of those reserved powers of constables, chief officers will be able to designate other powers to staff and volunteers as they see fit.
The office of the police constable is the foundation of our police service and should remain so. Those powers that affect the fundamental liberty of the citizen should only be exercised by a highly trained police professional who acts independently to uphold the law without fear or favour’.
Does that stretch as far as the Liberty of a EU Citizen on trial for "Murder"???
Lets move a little further on that article..
Designating police powers to civilians should help the police adapt to changing demand. For example, the legislation introducing the National Crime Agency gave the Director General of that organisation the power to designate the powers of a constable to NCA staff. This enables the NCA to recruit the specialist staff it needs to investigate complex crime while providing them with certain powers essential to their role such as entering properties, seizing goods and making arrests.
Those words.... "Complex Crime"..... And 'National Crime Agency"!!!! So we have again a "Complex crime" that has allowed them to use a "Civilian" in a variety of roles and go to trial and tell a jury what he saw....
yet it was supposed to be a "Simple Murder case"!!
Are they off their heads !!!!
http://www.police-foundation.org.uk/2015/09/deconstructing-the-constable-the-police-powers-debate/
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(4): DI Karen Thomas
Is she the same as Andrew "Civilian Mott"?? I'm being to wonder how many "Civilians" were used in this case and attended trial to give testimony....
Are you just a "Civilian" Karen?? Not a warranted Police Officer ??
He gave three statements to police – one on December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22.
All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard.
When asked about his movements the night Jo died, he said he’d gone to take pictures of the snow after returning from work.
Now we know you went to Amsterdam with a Colleague... I'm guessing this Colleague was a real 'Copper"!!
I say this because ....
Also giving evidence was Detective Constable Karen Thomas, who spoke to Tabak in Holland on New Year's Eve.
Thomas said Tabak told her he had been out twice on the night Yeates vanished – which he had not said when she interviewed him a week earlier.
Tabak was "overly interested" in the forensic examination of Yeates's flat, Thomas said, and she asked him to provide a sample of DNA and fingerprinted him.
The trial continues.
Now was the 6 hour Interview you conducted actually one continuous Interview with Dr Vincent Tabak?
Or... Did you Interview someone else in Holland for 6 hours?? See we don't know... was it the boy with the 2 sisters and one brother whom you interviewed in Holland for 6 hours, and not Dr Vincent Tabak whom has 3 sisters and one brother...?? Therefore not needing the cooperation of the Dutch Authorities for this Interview...
The week before when you Interviewed Dr Vincent Tabak, you didn't take a statement?? or are you not able to take a statement??? Because as we see Dr Vincent Tabak apparently only ever gave 3 statements...
On December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22. So how did he give you a statement the week before Amsterdam being the 26th December 2010?? Or are you talking about someone else who gave you a statement on that day..??
Eh?? Can't hear you...
You phoned him too... Does that not count... Was he just silent on the phone??? CJ said that all of the tenants gave a statement.... Well I'll go back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't a tenant but a landlord! Was Dr Vincent Tabak actually at Canygne Road when all of this took place??? I'm begining to wonder...
Had Dr Vincent Tabak been renting out his property on Canygne Road?? Was Dr Vincent Tabak even at Canygne Road on the 17th December 2010?? Come on Karen just a couple of questions please...
All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard. Interesting that statement.. Did these statements get read out at trial??? Don't think so.. So how do we know that they were "false and Dishonest"... "Because someone said so"!!... They very well might be if he said what i think he said in his 3rd witness statement!!
I thought Dr Vincent Tabak said "No Comment" through out... So where is the evidence to support that these statements he apparently made on those 3 dates were 'false and dishonest"??
Explain to me how "No Comment" is false and dishonest..... Or if he did speak... where are these statements??
So Karen Thomas... Are you a fully fledged proper copper?? Or just a "Civilian" like Andrew "Civilian " Mott!!
The account on the 22nd January 2011, the day you charged Dr Vincent Tabak, without any evidence whatsoever, was this the day that Dr Vincent Tabak turned around and said... OK.. I killed her, just to shut you all up from your incessant questioning?? He had got bored with you all asking stupid questions that had no relevance to him!! And you ran with it??? Is that what happened?? and because of that he was charged...
Maybe the important statement of Dr Vincent Tabak is actually the 22nd January 2011, because we know you didn't have any evidence with which to charge him with.. That all would have come to court and it didn't!!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/17/vincent-tabak-held-jo-yeates-throat
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-jury-84889
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(4): DI Karen Thomas
The week before when you Interviewed Dr Vincent Tabak, you didn't take a statement?? or are you not able to take a statement??? Because as we see Dr Vincent Tabak apparently only ever gave 3 statements...
On December 31 in Amsterdam, one on January 20 and another on January 22. So how did he give you a statement the week before Amsterdam being the 26th December 2010?? Or are you talking about someone else who gave you a statement on that day..??
Eh?? Can't hear you...
You phoned him too... Does that not count... Was he just silent on the phone??? CJ said that all of the tenants gave a statement.... Well I'll go back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't a tenant but a landlord! Was Dr Vincent Tabak actually at Canygne Road when all of this took place??? I'm begining to wonder...
All were ‘’false and dishonest accounts’’, the court heard. Interesting that statement.. Did these statements get read out at trial??? Don't think so.. So how do we know that they were "false and Dishonest"... "Because someone said so"!!... They very well might be if he said what i think he said in his 3rd witness statement!!
I thought Dr Vincent Tabak said "No Comment" through out... So where is the evidence to support that these statements he apparently made on those 3 dates were 'false and dishonest"??
Explain to me how "No Comment" is false and dishonest..... Or if he did speak... where are these statements??
So Karen Thomas... Are you a fully fledged proper copper?? Or just a "Civilian" like Andrew "Civilian " Mott!!
The account on the 22nd January 2011, the day you charged Dr Vincent Tabak, without any evidence whatsoever, was this the day that Dr Vincent Tabak turned around and said... OK.. I killed her, just to shut you all up from your incessant questioning?? He had got bored with you all asking stupid questions that had no relevance to him!! And you ran with it??? Is that what happened?? and because of that he was charged...
Maybe the important statement of Dr Vincent Tabak is actually the 22nd January 2011, because we know you didn't have any evidence with which to charge him with.. That all would have come to court and it didn't!!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/17/vincent-tabak-held-jo-yeates-throat
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-jury-84889
He gave a statement on 20th or 21st December - the same day as Christopher Jefferies and all the other people in the house. He gave a 2nd statement after Joanna's body was discovered and before he and Tanja drove off to Cambridge. Lots of statements plus phone calls. After his arrest, he gave three further statements, drawn up by the duty solicitor. How many is that?
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He gave a statement on 20th or 21st December - the same day as Christopher Jefferies and all the other people in the house. He gave a 2nd statement after Joanna's body was discovered and before he and Tanja drove off to Cambridge. Lots of statements plus phone calls. After his arrest, he gave three further statements, drawn up by the duty solicitor. How many is that?
Loads of statements.... If he was in Cambridge on the 24th December 2010... when was Joanna Yeates body found??
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Avon and Somerset Police...
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#joyeates #yeates Video appeal from Jo's parents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhWJbMcqVk&feature=player_embedded please RT
4:11 AM - 18 Jan 2011
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#joyeates #yeates We have charged Vincent Tabak with the Murder of Joanna Yeates: http://bit.ly/icvwVE
1:29 PM - 22 Jan 2011
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#joYeates #joannayeates #yeates Vincent Tabak will appear at Bristol magistrates court on Monday January 24 2011 http://bit.ly/i9eb3e
2:29 PM - 22 Jan 2011
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#joyeates #joannayeates Thanks to Jo's family and Greg for their assistance in the most difficult of circumstances http://bit.ly/i9eb3e
2:31 PM - 22 Jan 2011
That is it from Avon and Somerset Police on the case of Joanna Yeates.... This huge case that attracted the attention of the nation..
Here's from the becky watts case on Twitter via Avon and Somerset Police
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Two more have been jailed for their role in the #BeckyWatts investigation. Our thoughts remain with her family. http://ow.ly/XYQqW
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In-depth feature showing how #BeckyWatts case was solved including video i/views with officers & staff is online now http://ow.ly/UC5U9
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Det Supt Mike Courtiour - "I hope the sentences passed down will bring some comfort to her family" #BeckyWatts http://ow.ly/UBSBH
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Shauna Hoare, 21, has been jailed for 17 years for killing her boyfriend's step-sister #BeckyWatts in #Bristol in Feb.
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#BeckyWatts inquiry was one of the largest in Force's history with more than 500 officers & staff involved. http://ow.ly/Uwq3I
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There are many many more..... We even have tweets from colleagues thanking each other..
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We should all feel proud of those working for @ASPolice whether directly on #BeckyWatts case or not everyone has played their part
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Immensely proud to be an @ASPolice officer. So many people have worked so hard over last 12days to bring justice for #BeckyWatts
8:52 AM - 4 Mar 2015
Why do the tweets from Avon and Somerset Police Stop on 22nd January 2011?? Dr Vincent Tabak is charged on that day...
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Where are the tweets of Congratulations??
Where are the tweets from the trial??
Where are the tweets about the child porn charges??
Where are the tweets about the porn?
Where are the tweets looking for the "Missing" Joanna Yeates
Where are the tweets about "The Pizza"?
Where are the tweets about arresting CJ??
Where are the tweets about finding Joanna Yeates??
Where are the tweets about releasing CJ?
Where are the tweets asking for Information about Joanna Yeates??
Where are the tweets about anything to do with this case??
Where are the tweets that Dr Vincent Tabak pled guilty to Manslaughter??
Where are the tweets about further charges being brought against Dr Vincent Tabak??
Where are the tweets about Ann Reddrops statement outside bristol Crown Court??
Where are the the tweets about the CCTV Footage of Joanna Yeates?
Where are the tweets advising people to be careful whilst they look for this killer?
This is the only tweet I can find Avon and Somerset Police direct someone to a link , But... There is no thread to their response..
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Replying to @KimBlairwitch
@KimBlairwitch Hi Kim. People can provide information on-line at http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo #joyeates #joannayeates
3:25 PM - 8 Jan 2011
The person doesn't ask Avon and Somerset Police directly, and when i look at her tweet about Joanna yeates this is what she has written..
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Is there not an email address for people to give information to about Jo #Yeates ?
1:15 PM - 8 Jan 2011
When I click on the tweet it has no replies. I know it says that Avon and Somerset Police are replying to this persons tweet, but ordinarily you would see the reply below the original tweet..
The other oddity about that response.. It is the only response to anyone ,there should be hoards of inquries aimed at Avon and Somerset Police... But I find only one... And that is from a lady who is a psychic??
Kim Blair
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Firstly I am a wife and mother of my three children which I love. The other part of me involves my spiritual side where I work as a psychic / medium
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Which brings me to another question...
Was it KimBlairWitch who could have been the "Sobbing Girl"????
According to 192.com Kim Blair has lived in Biggin Hill since 2002
Did Avon and Somerset Police use a Psychic for there investigation into the Joanna Yeates Case??
Is that where they got there information from?
I find it a little strange that the Police are replying to a Psychic so early on in an Investigation.. Or is it normal practice for Avon and Somerset Police to use a Psychic for there Investigations??
Why did Avon and Somerset Police go quiet on The Joanna Yeates case by the 22nd January 2011 via their twitter account??
It's only because of the media we know so much about it... Doesn't it strike you as odd that the biggest case they had at that time with such a massive media coverage, who were camped outside Canygne Road for weeks has very few pieces of information on twitter by Avon and Somerset Police??
One last comment on Kim Blair Psychic... She has nothing on her facebook account about the Joanna Yeates Case..
https://twitter.com/ASPolice/status/23882910226448384
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40ASPolice%20%23beckywatts&src=typd
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40ASPolice%20%23joannayeates&src=typd
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40ASPolice%20%23vincenttabak&src=typd
https://twitter.com/KimBlairwitch/status/23850192872677376
https://www.facebook.com/kim.blair.71
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Avon and Somerset routinely use civilian nobodys as a way of avoiding getting their own hands dirty. If things go pear shaped they can just put the nobody out to grass.
White glove coppers, all of them.
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(48): Paul Catton... (Forensic Officer/coordinator or Policeman??)
Paul Catton or should I say DI Paul Catton, who attended 44, Canygne Road and was hands on in a forensic capacity in the removal of items from the main house..
Do not know what his Official position was regards this inquiry other than he appears to possibly be coordinating the forensic side of events at 44, Canygne Road.
Did he also go into Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat??
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-reveal-one-sock-was-missing-when-body-was-found-news-footage/655517072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzIef6EeMg
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/paul-catton-of-avon-and-somerset-police-discusses-the-news-footage/962225802
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(48): Paul Catton... (Forensic Officer/coordinator or Policeman??)
Paul Catton or should I say DI Paul Catton, who attended 44, Canygne Road and was hands on in a forensic capacity in the removal of items from the main house..
Do not know what his Official position was regards this inquiry other than he appears to possibly be coordinating the forensic side of events at 44, Canygne Road.
Did he also go into Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat??
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-reveal-one-sock-was-missing-when-body-was-found-news-footage/655517072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzIef6EeMg
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/paul-catton-of-avon-and-somerset-police-discusses-the-news-footage/962225802
Avon and Somerset routinely use civilian nobodys as a way of avoiding getting their own hands dirty. If things go pear shaped they can just put the nobody out to grass.
White glove coppers, all of them.
Well AH.... Maybe he too was just a Civilian....
Temporary Detective Inspector Paul Catton said “Something appears to be masking the DNA and we continue to carry out further tests as we seek to determine the limb’s origin."
“The foot has been x-rayed and we know it is a left foot which has been cut just above the ankle. There is no other damage and we can say for certain the foot has not been separated from the leg due to some sort of impact.
“There are indications that it was a man’s foot but due to the fact we have not been able to take a full DNA sample we can’t be sure."
It is worth noting, that based on what we do know, we are not at this time linking the case to any crime or missing person.
– TEMPORARY DETECTIVE INSPECTOR PAUL CATTON
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/topic/avon-and-somerset-police/?page=26