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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Rossb on February 19, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
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So a video has surfaced on YouTube from a few YouTubers, which also the sun newspaper has added about a girl claiming for DNA tests about being Madeleine mccann. I will send a link. I am not convinced. How many times have people claimed to be Madeleine. Must be heartbreaking for the family.
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https://youtu.be/iJcsqD_UCT8
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Difficult to say, but I think it is unlikely to be Madeleine. Why would so many people put obstacles in her way. There must be more to her background than she is saying.
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Difficult to say, but I think it is unlikely to be Madeleine. Why would so many people put obstacles in her way. There must be more to her background than she is saying.
I think possibly she has mental health issues, either way appealing from abuse as a child or trying to identify as someone. She may need help Eleanor. I still can't see any background basis as to who she is relating to Madeleine. One thing in the video is she apparently appealed to hospitals when neither of the McCann's work in that industry, when Kate is care home manager and Gerry is working for university. I think some comments on YouTube as we all know we're trying for DNA tests etc within the last 48 hours. But this comes with legal attacent.
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So a video has surfaced on YouTube from a few YouTubers, which also the sun newspaper has added about a girl claiming for DNA tests about being Madeleine mccann. I will send a link. I am not convinced. How many times have people claimed to be Madeleine. Must be heartbreaking for the family.
Putting this sort of thing on tik took will make her an overnite celebrity and drive traffic to her page..I'm a big fan of tik tok
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https://instagram.com/iammadeleinemccan?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=
Kate and Gerry have agreed to do a DNA test and her current family is not providing the birth certificate and photos of her childhood
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And another strange thing which I did not fully understand: there is a connection between her and one of the peadophiles that was questioned in Madeleine's case and who is currently in prison. I am bad with names, his surname is something Nye and he is actually the son of her step grandfather.
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And another strange thing which I did not fully understand: there is a connection between her and one of the peadophiles that was questioned in Madeleine's case and who is currently in prison. I am bad with names, his surname is something Nye and he is actually the son of her step grandfather.
Curiouser and Curiouser. And why a Step Grandfather?
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https://instagram.com/iammadeleinemccan?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=
Kate and Gerry have agreed to do a DNA test and her current family is not providing the birth certificate and photos of her childhood
Have they said so?
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Martin Ney is the sons name, and Peter the girl's abuser is his father.
The girl is German living in Poland.
Why she is suspicious:
She thinks her mum saw the abuse from the kitchen and said nothing
The mum allowed her going to trips with Peter and grandma
The father said: what if i am not your real father, would this change anyting
The girl does not have photos from early childhood
The girl's parents refused the dna test
She has a post traumatic condition where she does not remember anything
She said 100 times that she only wants to know the truth
She is suspicious about her birth certificate
She contacted operation grange, portuguese police, leicester police, polish police
No police force was willing to help - there will be a real scandal if she is actually Madeleine, if she proves to be her.
IMO if she is Madeleine, her life is in danger
Why did not police fly straight to Poland?
In this case there are so many matching facts...
The American who is helping her is stating that she is currently receiving thousands of messages from England! Someone has woken up, good morning.
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Can anyone else not see the alleged colombona this young lady claims to have? I just can't and the artful arrangement of her fringe in video mode doesn't really allow a clear view.
I think she looks younger than her 21 years. But that is not unusual, I was still being asked for ID in pubs till I was well into my twenties.
I am mystified why it would be assumed that Kate and Gerry are responsible for DNA testing. Madeleine McCann's is an active police investigation, which SY are treating as a missing person case. The police have the safeguards and the resources to check this out as part of their remit. The family does not and until the police make a move on it, I think it has to be handled as a Tik-Tok adventure of which I believe this is only the latest of a few others.
No reason why a DNA test cannot be arranged for such an enterprising young lady. She has managed to use the internet to address an audience of thousands across the world with ease. Madeleine's DNA is on the files released in Portugal in 2008. So how difficult can it be?
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Martin Ney is the sons name, and Peter the girl's abuser is his father.
The girl is German living in Poland.
Why she is suspicious:
She thinks her mum saw the abuse from the kitchen and said nothing
The mum allowed her going to trips with Peter and grandma
The father said: what if i am not your real father, would this change anyting
The girl does not have photos from early childhood
The girl's parents refused the dna test
She has a post traumatic condition where she does not remember anything
She said 100 times that she only wants to know the truth
She is suspicious about her birth certificate
She contacted operation grange, portuguese police, leicester police, polish police
No police force was willing to help - there will be a real scandal if she is actually Madeleine, if she proves to be her.
IMO if she is Madeleine, her life is in danger
Why did not police fly straight to Poland?
In this case there are so many matching facts...
The American who is helping her is stating that she is currently receiving thousands of messages from England! Someone has woken up, good morning.
The police do not require to fly to Poland.
A DNA sample can be taken in Poland and the result passed to Scotland Yard. All much quicker and possibly even cheaper than the cost of a stamp.
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I am completely on the gir's side. She is suspicious and has listed her reasons quite clearly.
I would do the same if i was her.
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The police do not require to fly to Poland.
A DNA sample can be taken in Poland and the result passed to Scotland Yard. All much quicker and possibly even cheaper than the cost of a stamp.
In such a sensitive case I think they should fly to Poland. DNA test can be faked.
How much money they have already spent? A little trip to Poland is nothing compared to millions of pounds.
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I am completely on the gir's side. She is suspicious and has listed her reasons quite clearly.
I would do the same if i was her.
As for me I would provide evidence for my suspicions and I would not have made a social media video. Then everyone has different standards when it comes to the McCann case.
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As for me I would provide evidence for my suspicions and I would not have made a social media video. Then everyone has different standards when it comes to the McCann case.
She called so many police forces before going online and nobody was taking her serious. Even if she is not Madeleine this is very unprofessional.
She then posted in UK True Crime facebook group with all evidence she has and her post was taken down by Facebook because someone reported it as fake.
What is she is really Madeleine? Even if she is not what if real Madeleine did this and was treated the same.
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In such a sensitive case I think they should fly to Poland. DNA test can be faked.
How much money they have already spent? A little trip to Poland is nothing compared to millions of pounds.
Investigating Madeleine's case in Portugal led to accusations of "police jollies" from a certain class in society. Perhaps the same individuals who have made a career moaning about every farthing of the money spent on Madeleine's case.
Why on earth do you suppose there is a requirement of go to Portugal in this day and age. What do you think is wrong with the Polish police.
The New Zealand police had utterly no compunction in carrying out precisely that exercise to eliminate suspicion that a little girl not even her parents could differentiate from her was not Madeleine . Times have changed since them and technology with them.
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She called so many police forces before going online and nobody was taking her serious. Even if she is not Madeleine this is very unprofessional.
She then posted in UK True Crime facebook group with all evidence she has and her post was taken down by Facebook because someone reported it as fake.
What is she is really Madeleine? Even if she is not what if real Madeleine did this and was treated the same.
There are few things in this life I would enjoy more than to learn that Madeleine McCann has been reunited with her family.
I am long enough in the tooth to recognise the extreme naivety of taking everything at face value particularly information published from a single individual posting on an internet source.
To answer your "what if" I recommend you do an internet search even on this forum as well as many, many others and you will get a flavour of exactly what happened when relatively plausible and possible sightings occurred.
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Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'
Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.
By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010
Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.
Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.
"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.
"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”
The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.
The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.
The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.
The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.
Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.
"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.
“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.
She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.
Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.
"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
One can only hope police procedures have advanced since then and proper procedures are followed to identify this young lady.
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She looks nothing like Madeleine McCann, apart from that her story is very convincing.
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She looks nothing like Madeleine McCann, apart from that her story is very convincing.
I'm not really good at identifying people in photographs so won't go there (that's Sadie's field). I cannot see the coloboma. I think the shape of the face is wrong. I think she is a young looking 21 year old and I think the nose is similar to Madeleine's as a child but not as refined as Kate's; which I would have expected as she is older now.
I think it is highly probable she and her siblings if she were Madeleine would have a familial resemblance.
But we don't have to bother with any of that when it can be resolved with a DNA test.
There is definitely a story here somewhere. I think all it takes is hitting on the right one.
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The police do not require to fly to Poland.
A DNA sample can be taken in Poland and the result passed to Scotland Yard. All much quicker and possibly even cheaper than the cost of a stamp.
If there is any chance that this girl is Madeleine, I would prefer that she comes to London and has her blood taken here , also DNa testing with a bonafide trusted set up.
Things strangely get changed with this case and the risk is too great to allow possible interference IMO
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Can anyone else not see the alleged colombona this young lady claims to have? I just can't and the artful arrangement of her fringe in video mode doesn't really allow a clear view.
I think she looks younger than her 21 years. But that is not unusual, I was still being asked for ID in pubs till I was well into my twenties.
I am mystified why it would be assumed that Kate and Gerry are responsible for DNA testing. Madeleine McCann's is an active police investigation, which SY are treating as a missing person case. The police have the safeguards and the resources to check this out as part of their remit. The family does not and until the police make a move on it, I think it has to be handled as a Tik-Tok adventure of which I believe this is only the latest of a few others.
No reason why a DNA test cannot be arranged for such an enterprising young lady. She has managed to use the internet to address an audience of thousands across the world with ease. Madeleine's DNA is on the files released in Portugal in 2008. So how difficult can it be?
There are facial and iris colour similarities but the eye defect is less pronounced and in a slightly different position. Unless it has faded and migrated over the years...
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Neither Kate nor Gerry have her powerful chin...that's very Slavic..so it's a no from me
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She called so many police forces before going online and nobody was taking her serious. Even if she is not Madeleine this is very unprofessional.
She then posted in UK True Crime facebook group with all evidence she has and her post was taken down by Facebook because someone reported it as fake.
What is she is really Madeleine? Even if she is not what if real Madeleine did this and was treated the same.
Apparently she did and investigators or police dismissed it. What background information does she have to claim to be Madeleine? She has then gained a lot of followers by doing this online. I'm not saying she doesn't think who she may be but what is the backstory? Also she said she reached out to the hospital, they don't work there. She could easily find the website did she do that? Also one more point. Madeleine obviously could only speak English. If taken the people would have to make her learn a new language and keep away from schools for a long period of time. A young girl at school who speaks no polish and only English. So many holes here. Unfortunately it's not her.
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Putting this sort of thing on tik took will make her an overnite celebrity and drive traffic to her page..I'm a big fan of tik tok
587 thousand followers
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Well now, obviously someone has got to look into this. I am just not sure who. But probably best done in Poland. There isn't much point in approaching her family, although that wouldn't necessarily make them liars.
Kate and Gerry have to stay out of this for the moment. They can't do anything without DNA anyway. But I am not buying it for now.
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How many women claimed to be Princess Anastasia over the years? They were all lying or mistaken. This girl is just a modern day would-be Anastasia. If she believes what she is spouting then I feel sorry for her. If she has actually been abused then I hope she receives counselling and justice. If she's made the whole thing up for attention then shame on her, she should still seek therapy. She is not Madeleine though, and the whole thing is very unseemly IMO.
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Can anyone else not see the alleged colombona this young lady claims to have? I just can't and the artful arrangement of her fringe in video mode doesn't really allow a clear view.
I think she looks younger than her 21 years. But that is not unusual, I was still being asked for ID in pubs till I was well into my twenties.
I am mystified why it would be assumed that Kate and Gerry are responsible for DNA testing. Madeleine McCann's is an active police investigation, which SY are treating as a missing person case. The police have the safeguards and the resources to check this out as part of their remit. The family does not and until the police make a move on it, I think it has to be handled as a Tik-Tok adventure of which I believe this is only the latest of a few others.
No reason why a DNA test cannot be arranged for such an enterprising young lady. She has managed to use the internet to address an audience of thousands across the world with ease. Madeleine's DNA is on the files released in Portugal in 2008. So how difficult can it be?
You are able to see the mark in her eye better on this - https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Is-Julia-Faustyna-Madeleine-McCann
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Why on earth is anyone giving credence to this nonsense?
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There are facial and iris colour similarities but the eye defect is less pronounced and in a slightly different position. Unless it has faded and migrated over the years...
She looks remarkably well, considering she was murdered by a paedophile.
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You are able to see the mark in her eye better on this - https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Is-Julia-Faustyna-Madeleine-McCann
Also here, Lace.
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Also here, Lace.
And here we can see that her eye shape is completely different.
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Also here, Lace.
Has it been confirmed she has a mark..photos can be shopped
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Has it been confirmed she has a mark..photos can be shopped
She appears to have, but not in precisely the same place as far as I can see.
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If there is any chance that this girl is Madeleine, I would prefer that she comes to London and has her blood taken here , also DNa testing with a bonafide trusted set up.
Things strangely get changed with this case and the risk is too great to allow possible interference IMO
Interestingly, Sadie - she mentions an older person by the name of Peter NEY, that was her abuser. Ps. I don’t believe she is Madeleine.
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Someone also pointed out a mole on the same place on the cheek, I saw it today on her instagram but I cannot find it now
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Someone also pointed out a mole on the same place on the cheek, I saw it today on her instagram but I cannot find it now
She also looks uncannily like her mother in pictures posted on her instagram story so unless her mother is closely related to Kate McCann I think this girl is mistaken, or something else.
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She also looks uncannily like her mother in pictures posted on her instagram story so unless her mother is closely related to Kate McCann I think this girl is mistaken, or something else.
I do not think we should make guesses in cases like this. The science should speak. Any of us if in this situation would want clarity
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Interestingly, Sadie - she mentions an older person by the name of Peter NEY, that was her abuser. Ps. I don’t believe she is Madeleine.
I don't think it is Madeleine either to be honest. Altho', I shall keep it on the back bboiler.
I wonder if it is another attempt to produce yet another Madeleine, a red herring to spread confusion and take the eye off the real Madeleine and the perps.
As you say, the mentioning of Peter Noy is intriguing. Brietta makes some interesting comments too. Also, how would a young woman in Poland find the way to informing the police forces of several countries whose languages she presumably didn't know fluently?
i may be wrong, but I smell something fishy
I have been unable to open certain sites mentioned, but from members reports, she was very agitated. I do hope that she hasn't been bullied into doing something against her will. She looks rather fragile.
I am tired and haven't been able to give my usual attention to the images. There are strong likenesses, but the ratio of length of nose against the length of upper lip gives it away imo. Madeleine has a long (vertically) upper lip.
On the back burner atm. I wonder who is behind it ?
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I do not think we should make guesses in cases like this. The science should speak. Any of us if in this situation would want clarity
The DNA will be the proof of the pudding, or otherwise, but extreme care must, imo, be used that there is no hanky panky going on. Because for Ney to take the blame might let sme seriously involved people off the hook, as the search for Madeleine comes to a halt.
And then Madeleine will never be found.
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I do not think we should make guesses in cases like this. The science should speak. Any of us if in this situation would want clarity
I am extremely sceptical that Kate and Gerry have agreed to a DNA test. We only have this woman’s word that they have done so.
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This woman has serious problems, her family sound very odd, why don't they tell her exactly what happened to her. She says she grew up thinking they were her parents, whether they are or not is very confusing. She has suffered abuse in her life and is very fragile. I hope the DNA test will give her the answers she needs, but also that she gets help she is begging for.
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I am extremely sceptical that Kate and Gerry have agreed to a DNA test. We only have this woman’s word that they have done so.
Egging the pudding perhaps.
Do Kate and Gerry have to agree? I very much doubt it. Why would it be their call?
Nothing much here for the Sceptics since most Supporters are sceptical.
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Egging the pudding perhaps.
Do Kate and Gerry have to agree? I very much doubt it. Why would it be their call?
Nothing much here for the Sceptics since most Supporters are sceptical.
Without access to K & G's DNA profile how is she going to be able to confirm that she is Madeleine? I guess she could always PRETEND they took part in a DNA test, but then she is on very dodgy territory indeed. It's all extremely unseemly.
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Without access to K & G's DNA profile how is she going to be able to confirm that she is Madeleine? I guess she could always PRETEND they took part in a DNA test, but then she is on very dodgy territory indeed. It's all extremely unseemly.
Someone has got Madeleine's DNA somewhere. It's probably even on The Internet. All that Kate and Gerry's DNA would prove is whether or not this girl is their biological child.
Now there's a thought. Didn't someone once say that The McCanns gave away another child because they couldn't handle two of them?
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Interestingly, Sadie - she mentions an older person by the name of Peter NEY, that was her abuser. Ps. I don’t believe she is Madeleine.
She says Peter Ney is her Grandmothers second husband. She says she recognises the photo of Martin Ney the son of Peter Ney, she says Martin Ney was her abuser.
The mother has allegedly told her that she is selling her house because of the embarrassment she is causing her.
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Not quite sure what Kate and Gerry would need to agree to at this stage. She can get a DNA test done and compare it to Madeleine's profile on the Internet.
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Not quite sure what Kate and Gerry would need to agree to at this stage. She can get a DNA test done and compare it to Madeleine's profile on the Internet.
Would certainly show who she was related to.
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Not quite sure what Kate and Gerry would need to agree to at this stage. She can get a DNA test done and compare it to Madeleine's profile on the Internet.
Is it? Blimey. What an invasion of the poor child’s privacy. Is it easy for a layperson to identify similarities between one’s own DNA profile and one of another’s posted online?
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Is it? Blimey. What an invasion of the poor child’s privacy. Is it easy for a layperson to identify similarities between one’s own DNA profile and one of another’s posted online?
Unless the format has changed beyond recognition, it's not difficult. Madeleine's profile wasn't the only one that found itself floating on the Internet via the files.
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I was only suggesting that at least one Police Force is in a position to check the DNA of this girl without involving The McCanns. Presuming that they would want to. There doesn't have to be a song and dance about it. And nor do they need permission from The McCanns.
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I was only suggesting that at least one Police Force is in a position to check the DNA of this girl without involving The McCanns. Presuming that they would want to. There doesn't have to be a song and dance about it. And nor do they need permission from The McCanns.
Possibly LP or the McCanns themselves. It might depend on how credible her story is. Whether she is or isn't, I hope this young lady finds peace of mind.
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Possibly LP or the McCanns themselves. It might depend on how credible her story is. Whether she is or isn't, I hope this young lady finds peace of mind.
Hi Carana.....could you reply on the ECHR thread re whats meant by a proven fact in portuguese courts
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Hi Carana.....could you reply on the ECHR thread re whats meant by a proven fact in portuguese courts
I'll have a look.
Just did... hmm, the thread is over 350 pages long. ;(
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She looks nothing like Madeleine McCann, apart from that her story is very convincing.
I totally agree, she isn't Madeleine McCann. In saying that however the circumstances of her upbringing are concerning and should be investigated. The responses of the police are somewhat bizarre to put it mildly.
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I totally agree, she isn't Madeleine McCann. In saying that however the circumstances of her upbringing are concerning and should be investigated. The responses of the police are somewhat bizarre to put it mildly.
why what have the police said?
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why what have the police said?
I think it is more a case of what they haven't done rather than what they've said. This girl has obviously reached out for help and has been forced to resort to social media to get some.
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Am I right in believing she lives in Poland? In not, where does she live?
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I totally agree, she isn't Madeleine McCann. In saying that however the circumstances of her upbringing are concerning and should be investigated. The responses of the police are somewhat bizarre to put it mildly.
Two points.
The BKA have claimed they know Maddie is dead..perhaps SY and the PJ have enough sense .. unlike those on forum world..to know this claim would not be made unless it was true. Before I get the usual response from those in denial..having 100 % proof Maddie is dead is not the same as having proof of the culprit.
Second...you have been extremely critical of the money spent on the search...should SY spend thousands .if not hundreds of thousands ,. Chasing every spurious claim
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I think it is more a case of what they haven't done rather than what they've said. This girl has obviously reached out for help and has been forced to resort to social media to get some.
You’ve only got her word for that, so stop slagging off the police if you have zero evidence that they even knew anything about this before it became an Instagram sensation.
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Two points.
The BKA have claimed they know Maddie is dead..perhaps SY and the PJ have enough sense .. unlike those on forum world..to know this claim would not be made unless it was true. Before I get the usual response from those in denial..having 100 % proof Maddie is dead is not the same as having proof of the culprit.
Second...you have been extremely critical of the money spent on the search...should SY spend thousands .if not hundreds of thousands ,. Chasing every spurious claim
Why not?
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Two points.
The BKA have claimed they know Maddie is dead..perhaps SY and the PJ have enough sense .. unlike those on forum world..to know this claim would not be made unless it was true. Before I get the usual response from those in denial..having 100 % proof Maddie is dead is not the same as having proof of the culprit.
Second...you have been extremely critical of the money spent on the search...should SY spend thousands .if not hundreds of thousands ,. Chasing every spurious claim
If Madeleine was indeed deceased I think her parents would have known about it. As they don't appear to know about it we can safely assume it is business as usual and their search continues.
Secondly, how much does a DNA test cost these days?
This young woman would appear to fit the puzzle to some extent but clearly she is not Madeleine if her childhood photo is anything to go by. She obviously needs help and some closure which she is not getting.
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If Madeleine was indeed deceased I think her parents would have known about it. As they don't appear to know about it we can safely assume it is business as usual and their search continues.
Secondly, how much does a DNA test cost these days?
This young woman would appear to fit the puzzle to some extent but clearly she is not Madeleine if her childhood photo is anything to go by. She obviously needs help and some closure which she is not getting.
When was the last time you spoke to Madeleine’s parents about it?
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I totally agree, she isn't Madeleine McCann. In saying that however the circumstances of her upbringing are concerning and should be investigated. The responses of the police are somewhat bizarre to put it mildly.
Which police John...polish police or is this just more of your SY bashing
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If Madeleine was indeed deceased I think her parents would have known about it. As they don't appear to know about it we can safely assume it is business as usual and their search continues.
Secondly, how much does a DNA test cost these days?
This young woman would appear to fit the puzzle to some extent but clearly she is not Madeleine if her childhood photo is anything to go by. She obviously needs help and some closure which she is not getting.
If you've listened to what Wolters has said he is sure Maddie is dead..but he cannot share the evidence.
He may well have a video where the only logical outcome is death...but he cannot rule out the faint but almost Impossible possibility she survived. This fits exactly what he has said.
You can believe Wolters is some sort of lunatic but I think you'd have to be daft to believe that
Maddie is dead and the BKA have proof
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If you've listened to what Wolters has said he is sure Maddie is dead..but he cannot share the evidence.
He may well have a video where the only logical outcome is death...but he cannot rule out the faint but almost Impossible possibility she survived. This fits exactly what he has said.
You can believe Wolters is some sort of lunatic but I think you'd have to be daft to believe that
Maddie is dead and the BKA have proof
Yes, Wolters has had much to say. You just have to believe him, is all. In the absence of anything tangible.
He's only been investigating Brueckner for the past 6 years now. Let's give him another 6 before we write his claims of entirely.
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Which police John...polish police or is this just more of your SY bashing
John hasn't a clue if the police were ever approached about this woman's claims before she plastered it all over the internet.
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John hasn't a clue if the police were ever approached about this woman's claims before she plastered it all over the internet.
she may well have done it simply to drive tarffic to her tik tok page. she could quite simply get a dna test herself
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she may well have done it simply to drive tarffic to her tik tok page. she could quite simply get a dna test herself
Look at the followers. Maybe she has issues which I previously said. But mental health is my thought process.
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she may well have done it simply to drive tarffic to her tik tok page. she could quite simply get a dna test herself
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If this enterprising young lady thought she was pregnant there would be no problem in putting it to the test.
Similarly if her issue was proof of parentage - DNA tests are easily arranged. So if there is an issue as she claims with lack of police cooperation - why not pop along to the tabloids and offer someone exclusive rights to her story.
I don't think there is a privacy issue regarding parental rights. I think the results of Madeleine's DNA tests were part of the CDs distributed by the Portuguese authorities some of which we have already seen https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm
All I'm saying in this long winded post is that this issue of DNA is not and never has been a problem. It has always been in the category of being very easily resolved. All that is happening here typifies the sensationalism associated with Madeleine and the total disregard for her family.
This should have been handled differently and certainly with a modicum of discretion. My Opinion.
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She has posted a recent picture allegedly of one of the twins on her social media account which is not on, imo.
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Look at the followers. Maybe she has issues which I previously said. But mental health is my thought process.
Everything is geared to social media at the expense of due process. The most recent example being the tragic case of Nicola Bulley.
I think we really need to take a step back from being driven by internet opinion and the immediacy of the type of publicity generated by it and remember we live in a real world, not a virtual one.
Any one of us could end up being an involuntary internet sensation.
With that in mind we should also give more respect to families such as Nicola's and Madeleine's whose reality and forever daily lives are our transitory internet gossip.
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She has posted a recent picture allegedly of one of the twins on her social media account which is not on, imo.
That is a step too far and really is a cause for concern.
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She has posted a recent picture allegedly of one of the twins on her social media account which is not on, imo.
Totally agree, the twins should not be brought into this.
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Pat Brown has spoken - she's definitely NOT Madeleine McCann.
Now I'm beginning to think she might be.... @)(++(*
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She has posted a recent picture allegedly of one of the twins on her social media account which is not on, imo.
How did she get hold of that I wonder. No not on I agree.
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She has posted a recent picture allegedly of one of the twins on her social media account which is not on, imo.
It can't be an up to date photo. Unless she has been following The McCanns in the street.
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Pat Brown has spoken - she's definitely NOT Madeleine McCann.
Now I'm beginning to think she might be.... @)(++(*
Still irked by the McCanns getting her book removed from Amazon, but spot on with the guilt of Bamber, Bain, Pistorius and others. Ah well, you can't be right all of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk)
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It can't be an up to date photo. Unless she has been following The McCanns in the street.
She claims to have been in touch with Madeleine's cousin who may have supplied it. More likely it's been published in a US or European publication where they're probably less bothered about invading the McCann family's privacy.
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Still irked by the McCanns getting her book removed from Amazon, but spot on with the guilt of Bamber, Bain, Pistorius and others. Ah well, you can't be right all of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk)
Poor Pat. I think she could do with a makeover. And what's with all the gurning?
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Still irked by the McCanns getting her book removed from Amazon, but spot on with the guilt of Bamber, Bain, Pistorius and others. Ah well, you can't be right all of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4E48Cvknk)
Not very articulate, is she.
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Poor Pat. I think she could do with a makeover. And what's with all the gurning?
Knocking on now at 68, so probably growing old gracefully sans greasepaint, botox, lipfillers and facelifts.
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Not very articulate, is she.
Not that bad when doing a solo livestream, speaking off-the-cuff and manipulating on-screen photos without help or moderators censoring comments.
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Knocking on now at 68, so probably growing old gracefully sans greasepaint, botox, lipfillers and facelifts.
DISgracefully. Still peddling her old bollox about the McCann case.
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Pat Brown has spoken - she's definitely NOT Madeleine McCann.
Now I'm beginning to think she might be.... @)(++(*
There's no way this young woman could be Madeleine McCann and to be fair the police probably came to the same conclusion when first approached thus why they have appeared reticent to get involved at all.
This whole episode will only serve to bring more heartache to the McCann and Healey families. It really isn't helpful to anyone.
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For once we are all in agreement. Isn't that nice.
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For once we are all in agreement. Isn't that nice.
It must be one of those surreal moments in time Eleanor. Let's savour it before the wum arrives @)(++(*
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It must be one of those surreal moments in time Eleanor. Let's savour it before the wum arrives @)(++(*
Would he dare?
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DISgracefully. Still peddling her old bollox about the McCann case.
She had to get that in didn't she @)(++(*
She mentioned this woman is older than Madeleine would be, so if she went to school with a false name and age, would they be fooled? Pat Brown is.
Not saying that I think this woman is Madeleine, just saying how people can be duped. The little boy Stephen who was kidnapped went to school the man changed his first name but not his second name no one knew it was him.
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She has a PR spokeswoman (also a psychic) and a million followers now. It’s madness.
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She has a PR spokeswoman (also a psychic) and a million followers now. It’s madness.
Seems evident that this is yet another individual using Madeleine McCann as their own personal on demand ATM which never stops giving. Quite shameless but an acceptable norm in the age in which we live. Sigh!
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Pat Brown has spoken - she's definitely NOT Madeleine McCann.
Now I'm beginning to think she might be.... @)(++(*
I wonder if she has actually really helped and pointed in the right direction to solve anything.
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I wonder if she has actually really helped and pointed in the right direction to solve anything.
She has had no notable successes in her career as a criminal profiler as far as I can recall, apart from her own self promotion which she has put a huge effort into.
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She has had no notable successes in her career as a criminal profiler as far as I can recall, apart from her own self promotion which she has put
a huge effort into.
I took a screenshot of her pinned comment but can't upload it here. Not sure how. But it was a mental comment. Have a read of it lol. Sounded like a nutcase.
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I think possibly she has mental health issues, either way appealing from abuse as a child or trying to identify as someone. She may need help Eleanor. I still can't see any background basis as to who she is relating to Madeleine. One thing in the video is she apparently appealed to hospitals when neither of the McCann's work in that industry, when Kate is care home manager and Gerry is working for university. I think some comments on YouTube as we all know we're trying for DNA tests etc within the last 48 hours. But this comes with legal attacent.
Has it been reported that Kate McCann is a care home manager or is that just a rumour?
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Has it been reported that Kate McCann is a care home manager or is that just a rumour?
Is it so important to you....very odd
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Is it so important to you....very odd
G-Unit is no spring chicken. Perhaps she's terrified at the prospect of being resident in a care home managed by Kate some day. Open windows & doors a plenty, for all the burglars rapists & murderers that wish to visit.
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Is it so important to you....very odd
Some people need to know everything about the McCanns no matter how trivial - it's a hobby.
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Has it been reported that Kate McCann is a care home manager or is that just a rumour?
Off Topic.
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Off Topic.
Something seems to have been quoted as a fact. As it's a rule of the forum that opinions should NOT be posted as facts I see no reason why the provenance of the information shouldn't be questioned.
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Something seems to have been quoted as a fact. As it's a rule of the forum that opinions should NOT be posted as facts I see no reason why the provenance of the information shouldn't be questioned.
It’s not important.
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It’s not important.
On this thread it is Off Topic.
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On this thread it is Off Topic.
It was off topic when it was posted then.
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It was off topic when it was posted then.
the post was on topic, you just picked on a small part of it to take the discussion off on a tangent.
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It was off topic when it was posted then.
It was a small part of a comment that was On Topic. Prevarication from you again.
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Seems I've hit a sore point.
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Seems I've hit a sore point.
Well done. 8@??)(
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I haven't been following this case closely at all, but, having read a little bit about this Julia Wandelt story, I think it could actually be Madeleine. The absence of a birth certificate, not seeing pictures of her mother pregnant, her (alleged) dad asking her if it would make a difference if he wasn't her dad, her not being able to remember much of her very early childhood days other than being in the sun and white sandy beaches, her family cutting her off completely since her revelations publicly; and then there's the link to convicted child killer and paedophile Martin Ney -- Julia's step-grandad Peter is the father of Martin Ney and she claims her step-grandad abused her. And, I have looked at the photos comparing Madeleine and Julia as young children and, imo, there are a lot of similarities: same skin tone, hair colour, eye colour, facial features and bone structure; also, and perhaps more importantly, they have the same right eye mark and the same left cheek mark. Too many coincidences? I think so. I guess the DNA results will confirm one way or another. I think this could be the breakthrough everyone been waiting for, and I sincerely hope it is that young girl and she is reunited with her family.
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I haven't been following this case closely at all, but, having read a little bit about this Julia Wandelt story, I think it could actually be Madeleine. The absence of a birth certificate, not seeing pictures of her mother pregnant, her (alleged) dad asking her if it would make a difference if he wasn't her dad, her not being able to remember much of her very early childhood days other than being in the sun and white sandy beaches, her family cutting her off completely since her revelations publicly; and then there's the link to convicted child killer and paedophile Martin Ney -- Julia's step-grandad Peter is the father of Martin Ney and she claims her step-grandad abused her. And, I have looked at the photos comparing Madeleine and Julia as young children and, imo, there are a lot of similarities: same skin tone, hair colour, eye colour, facial features and bone structure; also, and perhaps more importantly, they have the same right eye mark and the same left cheek mark. Too many coincidences? I think so. I guess the DNA results will confirm one way or another. I think this could be the breakthrough everyone been waiting for, and I sincerely hope it is that young girl and she is reunited with her family.
The problem is - everything we know about her has come from her. How much is actually true?
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The problem is - everything we know about her has come from her. How much is actually true?
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108 (https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108)
As a result of her posts, a Polish charity called Missing Years Ago has released a statement on behalf of the woman’s family. They say that they have “memories” and photographs that show Julia’s claims cannot be true.
Their own evidence makes it "obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece."
The family said: "For us as a family it is obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece. We have memories, we have pictures."
"Julia also has these photos, because she took them from the family home with the birth certificate, as well as numerous hospital discharges. We always tried to understand all situations that happened with Julia."
"Threats to our address from Julia, her lies and manipulations, activity on the internet. We've seen it all and we've tried to prevent it, to explain, we've asked her to stop."
"We always tried to help her get back on her feet. Julia has been of age for several years. She has moved out of the house. Julia once wanted to be a singer, a model. She always wanted to be popular. What's happening now she got one million followers."
"We're afraid Julia will carry the inevitable. The internet won't forget, and it's obvious that Julia isn't Maddie. We are devastated at this current situation."
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108 (https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108)
As a result of her posts, a Polish charity called Missing Years Ago has released a statement on behalf of the woman’s family. They say that they have “memories” and photographs that show Julia’s claims cannot be true.
Their own evidence makes it "obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece."
The family said: "For us as a family it is obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece. We have memories, we have pictures."
"Julia also has these photos, because she took them from the family home with the birth certificate, as well as numerous hospital discharges. We always tried to understand all situations that happened with Julia."
"Threats to our address from Julia, her lies and manipulations, activity on the internet. We've seen it all and we've tried to prevent it, to explain, we've asked her to stop."
"We always tried to help her get back on her feet. Julia has been of age for several years. She has moved out of the house. Julia once wanted to be a singer, a model. She always wanted to be popular. What's happening now she got one million followers."
"We're afraid Julia will carry the inevitable. The internet won't forget, and it's obvious that Julia isn't Maddie. We are devastated at this current situation."
How very sad.
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Has it been reported that Kate McCann is a care home manager or is that just a rumour?
Irrelevant, but yes that's what she does now. It was lack of knowledge from this lady who clearly has mental health issues unfortunately. Another girl who claims to be Madeleine mccann
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Irrelevant, but yes that's what she does now. It was lack of knowledge from this lady who clearly has mental health issues unfortunately. Another girl who claims to be Madeleine mccann
She's not the only one who lacked that knowledge. I haven't seen it reported anywhere either, but you seem to have access to the information, or you think you do.
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108 (https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/family-polish-woman-who-claims-26318108)
As a result of her posts, a Polish charity called Missing Years Ago has released a statement on behalf of the woman’s family. They say that they have “memories” and photographs that show Julia’s claims cannot be true.
Their own evidence makes it "obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece."
The family said: "For us as a family it is obvious that Julia is our daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin and step niece. We have memories, we have pictures."
"Julia also has these photos, because she took them from the family home with the birth certificate, as well as numerous hospital discharges. We always tried to understand all situations that happened with Julia."
"Threats to our address from Julia, her lies and manipulations, activity on the internet. We've seen it all and we've tried to prevent it, to explain, we've asked her to stop."
"We always tried to help her get back on her feet. Julia has been of age for several years. She has moved out of the house. Julia once wanted to be a singer, a model. She always wanted to be popular. What's happening now she got one million followers."
"We're afraid Julia will carry the inevitable. The internet won't forget, and it's obvious that Julia isn't Maddie. We are devastated at this current situation."
My internet cut off last night just as I was about to submit my post . . . I said that the family should have a trail of provenance in relation to this girl's adoption and, if so, will likely be able to prove they were her legal guardians (unless, of course, it was done via the black market). Time will tell. I just read there that a medium is working with this Julia girl who, admittedly, might be very unwell mentally. Have also just found out that Julia's (alleged) abuser (Peter Ney) has been dead since circa 1983. So, perhaps I was premature to say I think it is Madeleine. As I said, time will tell, and I think a DNA test should be done, just in case.
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I haven't been following this case closely at all, but, having read a little bit about this Julia Wandelt story, I think it could actually be Madeleine. The absence of a birth certificate, not seeing pictures of her mother pregnant, her (alleged) dad asking her if it would make a difference if he wasn't her dad, her not being able to remember much of her very early childhood days other than being in the sun and white sandy beaches, her family cutting her off completely since her revelations publicly; and then there's the link to convicted child killer and paedophile Martin Ney -- Julia's step-grandad Peter is the father of Martin Ney and she claims her step-grandad abused her. And, I have looked at the photos comparing Madeleine and Julia as young children and, imo, there are a lot of similarities: same skin tone, hair colour, eye colour, facial features and bone structure; also, and perhaps more importantly, they have the same right eye mark and the same left cheek mark. Too many coincidences? I think so. I guess the DNA results will confirm one way or another. I think this could be the breakthrough everyone been waiting for, and I sincerely hope it is that young girl and she is reunited with her family.
If Madeleine is still alive, and if she has been raised by another family (unlikely, but possible), a young woman such as Julia might well come forward one day, and say she thinks she is Madeleine. Therefore, for this very reason (IMO), Julia's claims should not be ignored.
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If Madeleine is still alive, and if she has been raised by another family (unlikely, but possible), a young woman such as Julia might well come forward one day, and say she thinks she is Madeleine. Therefore, for this very reason (IMO), Julia's claims should not be ignored.
So whos body did the cadaver dogs alert to in 5a
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If Madeleine is still alive, and if she has been raised by another family (unlikely, but possible), a young woman such as Julia might well come forward one day, and say she thinks she is Madeleine. Therefore, for this very reason (IMO), Julia's claims should not be ignored.
Maybe they haven't been ignored? No stone unturned etc?
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This woman has mental problems due to her sexual abuse. She has blocked out that part of her life, she doesn't remember it, though she says she was eight when it started, who knows when it did start. Before going on and saying oh she has mental problems as her mother has been doing, why doesn't she sit down with her and show her her birth certificate [though that could be faked] and the photos of her when she was a baby, describe her early childhood to her.
The teacher at the school where this woman went when she was young has told her she had tics, and crying episodes. Poor girl what ever she experienced it was very traumatic.
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It's worth remembering the history of Fia, the psychic aggressively promoting Julia as Madeleine.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/psychic-claims-madeleine-mccann-living-21264766
Researchers elsewhere have uncovered earlier videos of Julia (adult content) which show she doesn't have a fleck in her eye either.
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This woman has mental problems due to her sexual abuse. She has blocked out that part of her life, she doesn't remember it, though she says she was eight when it started, who knows when it did start. Before going on and saying oh she has mental problems as her mother has been doing, why doesn't she sit down with her and show her her birth certificate [though that could be faked] and the photos of her when she was a baby, describe her early childhood to her.
The teacher at the school where this woman went when she was young has told her she had tics, and crying episodes. Poor girl what ever she experienced it was very traumatic.
A Polish missing persons charity has announced on behalf of the family that Julia has all her own childhood photos with her, in Germany -- along with her birth certificate. The fact the family has went public along with a charity is almost unequivocal proof that Julia is lying or mistaken (or, possibly, this medium Dr is brainwashing her). I still think that a DNA test should be done so that all parties involved can get closure & peace of mind. I suppose with all the digital & online technology readily available these days the charity could've been duped, but I don't think so. I need to discuss this another day, as I'm about to enter a taxi at airport (quite shattered, I am). A DNA test should put an end to all this; it's no hassle, after all.
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A Polish missing persons charity has announced on behalf of the family that Julia has all her own childhood photos with her, in Germany -- along with her birth certificate. The fact the family has went public along with a charity is almost unequivocal proof that Julia is lying or mistaken (or, possibly, this medium Dr is brainwashing her). I still think that a DNA test should be done so that all parties involved can get closure & peace of mind. I suppose with all the digital & online technology readily available these days the charity could've been duped, but I don't think so. I need to discuss this another day, as I'm about to enter a taxi at airport (quite shattered, I am). A DNA test should put an end to all this; it's no hassle, after all.
But who is to do it without appearing to be interfering?
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She's not the only one who lacked that knowledge. I haven't seen it reported anywhere either, but you seem to have access to the information, or you think you do.
It was from several papers years ago Gerry research lecturer at a university and Kate care home manager. I brought it up personally because she realistically should have had some idea about that and understand privacy within the NHS
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But who is to do it without appearing to be interfering?
Well at least she's got a freebie trip to the USofA funded by another scammer out of it...
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/woman-claim-madeleine-mccann-update-29393404 (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/woman-claim-madeleine-mccann-update-29393404)
The reality... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnaEpmSp6E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnaEpmSp6E)
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Well at least she's got a freebie trip to the USofA funded by another scammer out of it...
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/woman-claim-madeleine-mccann-update-29393404 (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/woman-claim-madeleine-mccann-update-29393404)
The reality... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnaEpmSp6E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnaEpmSp6E)
Pat Brown is really ranting over this Julia and the Psychic Fia. She had a go at Fia saying that she predicted a while back that Madeleine wasn't dead but was living with a German family, Pat Brown says she was wrong as she was in Poland but that doesn't mean the so called parents aren't German does it?
I don't think Julia is Madeleine but there is definitely something weird about the family. Her mother is calling her crazy, who says that about their own child? Teacher in nursery said Julia had tics bouts of hysteria and looked as though she was intoxicated !! What was causing that? Julia says she never fitted in and they threw her out. Don't know if that is true. Fia the Psychic says there is no hospital record of Julia for the first five years of her life, that's strange. I really don't know what to think about it all but Julia certainly needs some help.
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Pat Brown is really ranting over this Julia and the Psychic Fia. She had a go at Fia saying that she predicted a while back that Madeleine wasn't dead but was living with a German family, Pat Brown says she was wrong as she was in Poland but that doesn't mean the so called parents aren't German does it?
I don't think Julia is Madeleine but there is definitely something weird about the family. Her mother is calling her crazy, who says that about their own child? Teacher in nursery said Julia had tics bouts of hysteria and looked as though she was intoxicated !! What was causing that? Julia says she never fitted in and they threw her out. Don't know if that is true. Fia the Psychic says there is no hospital record of Julia for the first five years of her life, that's strange. I really don't know what to think about it all but Julia certainly needs some help.
I seen pat browns YouTube channel and it's about 30 second intro of her being on news channels hilarious.
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I seen pat browns YouTube channel and it's about 30 second intro of her being on news channels hilarious.
Pat Brown is a has been that never was. She is a legend only in her own mind.
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This private investigator and psychic claims that Julia is definitely not the biological daughter of the Polish couple who say they are definitely her real parents and who also say that their daughter's recent behaviour is evidence that she is clearly mentally unwell.
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/polish-woman-julia-faustyna-submits-dna-samples-for-forensic-testing-to-determine-if-she-is-madeleine-mccann/news-story/b137f51e78a21be1bf95c77abca1a692
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This private investigator and psychic claims that Madeleine is definitely not the biological daughter of the Polish couple who say they are definitely her real parents and who also say that their daughter's recent behaviour is evidence that she is clearly mentally unwell.
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/polish-woman-julia-faustyna-submits-dna-samples-for-forensic-testing-to-determine-if-she-is-madeleine-mccann/news-story/b137f51e78a21be1bf95c77abca1a692 (https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/polish-woman-julia-faustyna-submits-dna-samples-for-forensic-testing-to-determine-if-she-is-madeleine-mccann/news-story/b137f51e78a21be1bf95c77abca1a692)
She'll be claiming asylum next, then free to pursue the American Dream!
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Pat Brown is a has been that never was. She is a legend only in her own mind.
Unfortunately, whenever she sees the dreaded MacC word a red mist descends to cloud her normally accurate view and judgement, but is she also wrong on Bamber, Pistorius, Bain and Sion Jenkins? No Way!, imo.
At least her vids are a darn sight more entertaining than having to wade through never-ending drivel posted by some on here.
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Unfortunately, whenever she sees the dreaded MacC word a red mist descends to cloud her normally accurate view and judgement, but is she also wrong on Bamber, Pistorius, Bain and Sion Jenkins? No Way!, imo.
At least her vids are a darn sight more entertaining than having to wade through never-ending drivel posted by some on here.
You do know that she single handedly trained The FBI in Crime Detection I hope.
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You do know that she single handedly trained The FBI in Crime Detection I hope.
If Brueckner does eventually turn out to be the abductor, I'll look forward to any apology that Pat Brown gives to the McCanns.
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If Brueckner does eventually turn out to be the abductor, I'll look forward to any apology that Pat Brown gives to the McCanns.
That's a tall order. Personally, I can hardly wait for the excuses. If it happens, of course.
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If Brueckner does eventually turn out to be the abductor, I'll look forward to any apology that Pat Brown gives to the McCanns.
No one who has made a career (amateur or otherwise) of accusing the McCanns will ever apologise if it’s proven they got it wrong. They will just invent a new conspiracy to explain it.
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No one who has made a career (amateur or otherwise) of accusing the McCanns will ever apologise if it’s proven they got it wrong. They will just invent a new conspiracy to explain it.
We all know this, of course. In fact I suspect that plans are afoot already. I have even come up with a couple myself.
Nope, I am not going to tell you all now. I'll just let you know if I was right in my head, should this arise.
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Yes, I’m engaged in a bizarre discussion with a supporter of Vincent Tabak elsewhere on the forum who is utterly convinced the man is innocent of Joanna Yeates murder, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and a confession. I can envisage similar discussions in years to come regarding whoever is eventually found guilty of abducting Madeleine.
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No one who has made a career (amateur or otherwise) of accusing the McCanns will ever apologise if it’s proven they got it wrong. They will just invent a new conspiracy to explain it.
Just like those who support the McCanns have refused to believe that the Portuguese Supreme Court and the ECHR judges reached the correct conclusions?
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Just like those who support the McCanns have refused to believe that the Portuguese Supreme Court and the ECHR judges reached the correct conclusions?
What is wrong with holding such beliefs...this is the miscarriage of justice forum after all. As I've already said but you don't seem to have the ability to understand..the ECHR could reach no other decision based on the evidence presented..but their decision is based on lies not facts
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Just like those who support the McCanns have refused to believe that the Portuguese Supreme Court and the ECHR judges reached the correct conclusions?
The ECHR ruling is an opinion, an opinion of the judges. Like them we are all entitled to an opinion. There is no one here denying the reality of their decision, only those disagreeing with the basis upon how their opinion was reached.
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What is wrong with holding such beliefs...this is the miscarriage of justice forum after all. As I've already said but you don't seem to have the ability to understand..the ECHR could reach no other decision based on the evidence presented..but their decision is based on lies not facts
Oh but I do understand the reasons for the denial. Accepting the truth that you got it wrong must be very difficult.
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Oh but I do understand the reasons for the denial. Accepting the truth that you got it wrong must be very difficult.
Do you accept that three police forces have completely ruled the McCanns out of their investigations into Madeleine's disappearance and are solely focused on stranger abduction?
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Do you accept that three police forces have completely ruled the McCanns out of their investigations into Madeleine's disappearance and are solely focused on stranger abduction?
Yes. I get that. But it also explains why they can't solve the case.
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Oh but I do understand the reasons for the denial. Accepting the truth that you got it wrong must be very difficult.
If you think it's been difficult for me you must be daft and clearly don't understand anything..you just imagine you do .lol
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Oh but I do understand the reasons for the denial. Accepting the truth that you got it wrong must be very difficult.
What am I denying..you won't have an answer to that which proves you don't understand
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Yes, I’m engaged in a bizarre discussion with a supporter of Vincent Tabak elsewhere on the forum who is utterly convinced the man is innocent of Joanna Yeates murder, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and a confession. I can envisage similar discussions in years to come regarding whoever is eventually found guilty of abducting Madeleine.
Well in my opinion Madeleine wasn't abducted so that's never going to happen.
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If you think it's been difficult for me you must be daft and clearly don't understand anything..you just imagine you do .lol
So you're pleased about the verdict are you?
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Well, now she's got her 15 minutes of TV fame at the very least... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHVugTBt38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHVugTBt38)
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Well, now she's got her 15 minutes of TV fame at the very least... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHVugTBt38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHVugTBt38)
She shouldn't be on Dr Phil. She should be sat inside a prison cell for wasting police time imo
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EXCLUSIVE: "Madeleine McCann" sings!!!...
https://www.tiktok.com/@julielouise1975/video/7215521339728203013 (https://www.tiktok.com/@julielouise1975/video/7215521339728203013)
https://www.tiktok.com/@doubletrouble20212223/video/7215505894384078086 (https://www.tiktok.com/@doubletrouble20212223/video/7215505894384078086)
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EXCLUSIVE: "Madeleine McCann" sings!!!...
https://www.tiktok.com/@julielouise1975/video/7215521339728203013 (https://www.tiktok.com/@julielouise1975/video/7215521339728203013)
https://www.tiktok.com/@doubletrouble20212223/video/7215505894384078086 (https://www.tiktok.com/@doubletrouble20212223/video/7215505894384078086)
That was a real treat. Must have a word with O'Connor.
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DNA proves she is not Madeleine McCann and the mother is her birth mother.
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DNA proves she is not Madeleine McCann and the mother is her birth mother.
Goodness me. What a surprise.
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DNA proves she is not Madeleine McCann and the mother is her birth mother.
Now let’s hope she gets the treatment she desperately needs.
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I'm tempted to say that this is turning into a bit of a circus (the private detective doesn't help matters because of the way she looks, but looks are deceiving), but I'll reserve judgement until the DNA results come through. At least DNA results in these situations can provide irrefutable proof and closure. It's concerning that Julia says she doesn't want anything to do with her mother even if the DNA results show that she is her biological mother. This needs looked into and investigated. I just hope that this young woman isn't so ill or so desperate for attention, that she would be prepared to tell outright lies. I heard she wants to be a singer, so it's possible she wants to be famous and the centre of attention. Is this a stunt to generate that attention and get her noticed? I certainly hope not.
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There's nothing wrong with this woman other than her extremely mediocre caterwauling ability...
https://www.tiktok.com/@juliawandeltasinger/video/7118705739958439174?lang=en (https://www.tiktok.com/@juliawandeltasinger/video/7118705739958439174?lang=en)
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I'm tempted to say that this is turning into a bit of a circus (the private detective doesn't help matters because of the way she looks, but looks are deceiving), but I'll reserve judgement until the DNA results come through. At least DNA results in these situations can provide irrefutable proof and closure. It's concerning that Julia says she doesn't want anything to do with her mother even if the DNA results show that she is her biological mother. This needs looked into and investigated. I just hope that this young woman isn't so ill or so desperate for attention, that she would be prepared to tell outright lies. I heard she wants to be a singer, so it's possible she wants to be famous and the centre of attention. Is this a stunt to generate that attention and get her noticed? I certainly hope not.
I think a horrible precedent has been set here Mr A. There is no reason for any such "circus" - I think that is the appropriate word to use - to occur under any circumstances in which identity issues are concerned.
Such a situation is easily resolved in this DNA age and can be carried out discretely and with a measure of sensitivity.
Just how much are the families of missing people be forced to take? In this instance it is Madeleine's family and it worries me that in all of this very little thought or concern for them has been exhibited.
I cannot imagine what pains this family has suffered over the last sixteen years. I cannot imagine what they went though when Scotland Yard started digging in Luz in 2014. I cannot imagine how they are continuing to function as they wait for the outcome of the current situation.
I don't think they or any future family should be subjected to someone else's trauma when they have more than enough of their own to be getting on with.
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I think a horrible precedent has been set here Mr A. There is no reason for any such "circus" - I think that is the appropriate word to use - to occur under any circumstances in which identity issues are concerned.
Such a situation is easily resolved in this DNA age and can be carried out discretely and with a measure of sensitivity.
Just how much are the families of missing people be forced to take? In this instance it is Madeleine's family and it worries me that in all of this very little thought or concern for them has been exhibited.
I cannot imagine what pains this family has suffered over the last sixteen years. I cannot imagine what they went though when Scotland Yard started digging in Luz in 2014. I cannot imagine how they are continuing to function as they wait for the outcome of the current situation.
I don't think they or any future family should be subjected to someone else's trauma when they have more than enough of their own to be getting on with.
Yeah, good post. You made a lot of very important and valid points, not least about the unimaginable suffering of the McCann family (coincidentally, I too was actually thinking earlier on today about their continuous abject misery and heartbreak and actually wondered how on earth they have coped and how they are still functioning; I presume Kate & Gerry have both been on a lot of medication during the past 16 years).
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Yeah, good post. You made a lot of very important and valid points, not least about the unimaginable suffering of the McCann family (coincidentally, I too was actually thinking earlier on today about their continuous abject misery and heartbreak and actually wondered how on earth they have coped and how they are still functioning; I presume Kate & Gerry have both been on a lot of medication during the past 16 years).
I think any catharsis will have been as a result of their drive working on Madeleine's case. Basically they had been left to their own devices. They were on their own with no official help until their persistence won Madeleine a review of her case - and the rest is history.
Kate threw every fibre of her being into working for Madeleine and gave up working on her day job to do so - as well as campaigning and fundraising alongside relatives highlighting the cases of other missing people.
Gerry was able to return to work ~ but while sharing Kate's work for Madeleine too.
Even in the immediate aftermath Kate did not use medication. If she had it would have shown in the test she took. Both were numb enough without recourse to medication and whatever depths they plumbed, I think their coping mechanism was throwing themselves into finding Madeleine.
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False dawn. Oh well.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11936625/amp/Julia-Wendell-Polish-woman-believes-Madeleine-McCann-receives-DNA-test-results.html
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False dawn. Oh well.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11936625/amp/Julia-Wendell-Polish-woman-believes-Madeleine-McCann-receives-DNA-test-results.html
It really should be a lesson but of course it won't be. It was obvious from the word go that the solution was DNA, but absolutely no fun in that.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941791/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-slap-claims-Polish-woman-believes-shes-daughter.html
Madeleine McCann's parents slap down claims from Polish woman who believes she's their missing daughter and say any updates will come from the Met Police
Kate and Gerry McCann were asked for an update on the search for their daughter via the Official Find Madeleine Campaign on Facebook.
In response, a spokesperson for the parents replied: 'There isn't anything to report at this time. If and when there is, it will come from The Metropolitan Police.'
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They've still got a spokesman ? I thought the Pink Prince had be retired from that duty years ago.
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They've still got a spokesman ? I thought the Pink Prince had be retired from that duty years ago.
Childish post.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941791/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-slap-claims-Polish-woman-believes-shes-daughter.html
Madeleine McCann's parents slap down claims from Polish woman who believes she's their missing daughter and say any updates will come from the Met Police
Kate and Gerry McCann were asked for an update on the search for their daughter via the Official Find Madeleine Campaign on Facebook.
In response, a spokesperson for the parents replied: 'There isn't anything to report at this time. If and when there is, it will come from The Metropolitan Police.'
The ridiculous implication of McCann criticism in your post when you must already know that DNA information has settled that the claimant is not Madeleine McCann.
Who in their right mind would suggest that this young woman is owed anything by Madeleine's parents.
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The ridiculous implication of McCann criticism in your post when you must already know that DNA information has settled that the claimant is not Madeleine McCann.
Thanks for the pontificating, dogmatic, sage advice I'll not bear it in mind when posting again.
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Thanks for the pontificating, dogmatic, sage advice I'll not bear it in mind when posting again.
Thank you. That is all I asked. I hope you will find my advice beneficial, leading to more interesting and enjoyable posting. I await your fresh start with anticipation ;)
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Thank you. That is all I asked. I hope you will find my advice beneficial, leading to more interesting and enjoyable posting. I await your fresh start with anticipation ;)
You obviously didn't read the post.Thanks for the pontificating, dogmatic, sage advice I'll not bear it in mind when posting again.
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It didn't require a DNA test to see that this young woman isn't Madeleine McCann. Goodness me she really does have issues.
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You obviously didn't read the post.Thanks for the pontificating, dogmatic, sage advice I'll not bear it in mind when posting again.
I read all your posts. It isn't an onerous task. Now you have pointed out what you are not going to do how about thinking about what you are going to do. Might I be presumptive by suggesting posting less aggressively and on topic as a starter.
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It didn't require a DNA test to see that this young woman isn't Madeleine McCann. Goodness me she really does have issues.
Seems the party's over for Julia Wandelt and Fia Johansson, the former now back home in Poland throwing brickbats at the latter. Here's her latest internet convo with Instagram viewers and towards the end with an American YouTuber/blogger who knows Fia J. Twenty-five minutes long, starts initially in Polish, but for the rest she speaks in understandable English and gets more interesting towards the end, so worth staying the course...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqrN1bCo-Tp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqrN1bCo-Tp/)
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Seems the party's over for Julia Wandelt and Fia Johansson, the former now back home in Poland throwing brickbats at the latter. Here's her latest internet convo with Instagram viewers and towards the end with an American YouTuber/blogger who knows Fia J. Twenty-five minutes long, starts initially in Polish, but for the rest she speaks in understandable English and gets more interesting towards the end, so worth staying the course...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqrN1bCo-Tp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CqrN1bCo-Tp/)
Save us having to watch it just tell us what what was interesting about it please.
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Save us having to watch it just tell us what what was interesting about it please.
Put it this way... more interesting than any tiresome argy-bargy with kizzy et al.
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Put it this way... more interesting than any tiresome argy-bargy with kizzy et al.
Oh, as interesting as watching paint dry then. I’ll give it a miss ta. @)(++(*
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She's apologised it's said, but what caught my eye is the pending sentence, so does that mean he's serving the drug bust sentence then the rape sentence is tagged on at the end ?
Missing Madeleine McCann: Polish woman apologizes to missing British girl's parents
https://news.yahoo.com/missing-madeleine-mccann-polish-woman-150954921.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJggyXUVJpvpuAwxr8TVzNNPSx0mTbCsH6mWJNUeV1lV127fVvjUve_ihv10u3DFNJul4APF5Wv_m2FpAE7EmRVfepQUuN_llx-wzuW5Y_yXlupXMEtXi3W1HdTi3hOy04Hld__t9W0SCK0URvHz8YlqjYzQR79Lp5BSQOd9aRnC
Brueckner is currently serving time in a German prison for drug crimes. He also has a pending seven-year sentence connected to the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz.
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She's apologised it's said, but what caught my eye is the pending sentence, so does that mean he's serving the drug bust sentence then the rape sentence is tagged on at the end ?
Missing Madeleine McCann: Polish woman apologizes to missing British girl's parents
https://news.yahoo.com/missing-madeleine-mccann-polish-woman-150954921.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJggyXUVJpvpuAwxr8TVzNNPSx0mTbCsH6mWJNUeV1lV127fVvjUve_ihv10u3DFNJul4APF5Wv_m2FpAE7EmRVfepQUuN_llx-wzuW5Y_yXlupXMEtXi3W1HdTi3hOy04Hld__t9W0SCK0URvHz8YlqjYzQR79Lp5BSQOd9aRnC
Brueckner is currently serving time in a German prison for drug crimes. He also has a pending seven-year sentence connected to the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz.
I thought that he was already serving the drug sentence at the time of the rape trial and that he is now several years into the 7 year sentence for that crime.
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I thought that he was already serving the drug sentence at the time of the rape trial and that he is now several years into the 7 year sentence for that crime.
Along with most things from the press in the Madeleine case it needs to be regarded with caution.imo.
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Just in case anyone here is still interested in this story…
'I regret posting online that I was Madeleine McCann' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68139294
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Just in case anyone here is still interested in this story…
'I regret posting online that I was Madeleine McCann' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68139294 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68139294)
Come back Joni, all is forgiven!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDg8VPBbYM&ab_channel=JuliaWandelt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDg8VPBbYM&ab_channel=JuliaWandelt)
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Come back Joni, all is forgiven!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDg8VPBbYM&ab_channel=JuliaWandelt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDg8VPBbYM&ab_channel=JuliaWandelt)
bless her - where’s the fingers in ears emoji?
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bless her - where’s the fingers in ears emoji?
Fifteen quid a throw without watermark, robbin' barstewards...
https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vector/plugging-ears-emoticon-vector-43483359 (https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vector/plugging-ears-emoticon-vector-43483359)