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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: Outlook on March 07, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
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The one that really upset me was the Stephan Kiszko case which was terrible in its consequences.
Lesley Susan Molseed (14 August 1964 – 5 October 1975) was an eleven-year old girl from Turf Hill, Rochdale, Greater Manchester, who was found dead on Rishworth Moor in West Yorkshire after being murdered.
Stefan Ivan Kiszko (24 March 1952 – 23 December 1993), a 23-year-old local tax clerk of Ukrainian/Slovenian parentage, served 16 years in prison after he was wrongly convicted of her sexual assault and murder. His ordeal was described by one MP as "the worst miscarriage of justice of all time."
Kiszko was released in 1992 after forensic evidence showed that he could not have committed the murder. He died in December 1993. Ronald Castree was eventually found guilty of the crime on 12 November 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed#Crime_and_subsequent_developments
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Agreed, I am quite at ease and understand most aspects of the Bamber case. I find it a very simple case and one of the last mysteries for me was solved just tonight. Other cases I struggle with but doubtlessly this sort of forum will help me.
The one that really upset me was the Stephan Kiszko case which was terrible in its consequences.
Yes, many mistakes were made and it took them 16 years to sort it out.
That said, it is interesting that at the time of the hunt for victim Lesley Molseed that four teenage girls, Maxine Buckley, Catherine Burke, Debbie Brown and Pamela Hind, claimed that Kiszko had indecently exposed himself to them the day before the murder. One of them also said he had exposed himself to her a month after the murder, on Bonfire night and that he had been stalking her for some time previous to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed#Crime_and_subsequent_developments
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Yes and they then admitted that they had perjured themselves at the original trial "for a laugh" but they refused to apologize. Everything was quite shameful.
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"Despite the overwhelming and obvious evidence that Kiszko was innocent, the West Yorkshire police and Ronald Outteridge, the original forensic scientist, refused to apologise to Kiszko for his wrongful conviction. In 1991 Outteridge was angry when questioned about his role in the trial.
Neither did David Waddington, Sheila Buckley, her daughter Maxine, Hind, Brown and Burke, whose perjured evidence helped convict Kiszko, or prosecution barrister Peter Taylor offer any apology or express one word of regret for what had happened. All refused to comment when Kiszko was released. West Yorkshire Police even tried to justify the position they took in 1975 while accepting and admitting they were wrong.
Stefan Kiszko died of a massive heart attack, in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, on 23 December 1993, at home, 18 years and two days after he made the confession that helped lead to wrongful conviction for murder. He was 41 years old. Lesley Molseed's sister was one of those who attended his funeral two weeks later on 5 January 1994. His mother, Charlotte Hedwig Kiszko, died four months later, in Rochdale, on 3 May 1994, at the age of 70. The two are buried together in Rochdale Cemetery."
A film is available on Youtube, "A life for a Life." Quite heartbreaking.
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A short video introduction to The Lesley Molseed case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8lpbgwRQE
The "Life for a life" 7-part film has been deleted from youtube by the looks of it so here is the RealCrime version of what happened.
The murder of Lesley Susan Molseed and the wrongful conviction of Stefan Ivan Kiszko.
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZPwDVbffY)
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCQ1HcxIBCk)
DPZk]Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmJI1[Name removed)
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXbBdKrxXBg)
Outlook...if you like we can give this case its own thread?
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BANG BANG MACHINE: 16 YEARS (STEFAN KISZKO R.I.P.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COXeXkgxfyk
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Agreed, I am quite at ease and understand most aspects of the Bamber case. I find it a very simple case and one of the last mysteries for me was solved just tonight. Other cases I struggle with but doubtlessly this sort of forum will help me.
The one that really upset me was the Stephan Kiszko case which was terrible in its consequences.
Welcome Outlook. Just out of interest what was one of the last mysteries about the case for you? And how was it solved?
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A short video introduction to The Lesley Molseed case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8lpbgwRQE
The "Life for a life" 7-part film has been deleted from youtube by the looks of it so here is the RealCrime version of what happened.
The murder of Lesley Susan Molseed and the wrongful conviction of Stefan Ivan Kiszko.
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZPwDVbffY)
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCQ1HcxIBCk)
DPZk]Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmJI1[Name removed)
Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXbBdKrxXBg)
Outlook...if you like we can give this case its own thread?
That is a shame, when you consider the rubbish that is on Youtube and then they take down something that is valuable. However, the Real Crime series is a reasonable substitute.
Yes what a good idea, I think the suffering of poor Mr Kiszko and his mother would be a valuable thread to have here. An object lesson to everyone what can go wrong and the courage and dedication of Mr Campell Malone showed in regaining freedom for Mr Kiszko.
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BANG BANG MACHINE: 16 YEARS (STEFAN KISZKO R.I.P.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COXeXkgxfyk
Cool, never seen/heard this before. I am glad not to be alone in feeling remorse for the suffering of Mr Kiszko and his mother.
I agree, he deserves his own thread.
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I recall watching a film about the case. It was so sad. On Stefan's first birthday in prison his mother planted a tree in her garden which was say around 40cm tall. When he was released it was as tall as the house. I found this so poignant.
He developed schizophrenia whilst in prison and one can't help but wonder whether this was brought on by all the taunts and physical attacks he suffered at the hands of inmates.
Prior to prison he was socially awkward. I think I've seen it mentioned that he had Aspergers Syndrome but I am unsure if he was diagnosed as such. Again one can only wonder whether his awkwardness made him an easy target for a wrongful conviction. 8(8-))
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I recall watching a film about the case. It was so sad. On Stefan's first birthday in prison his mother planted a tree in her garden which was say around 40cm tall. When he was released it was as tall as the house. I found this so poignant.
He developed schizophrenia whilst in prison and one can't help but wonder whether this was brought on by all the taunts and physical attacks he suffered at the hands of inmates.
Prior to prison he was socially awkward. I think I've seen it mentioned that he had Aspergers Syndrome but I am unsure if he was diagnosed as such. Again one can only wonder whether his awkwardness made him an easy target for a wrongful conviction. 8(8-))
I haven't had a chance to read all about the case Holly but you have answered one of my questions which was why were the police able to pick on him so easily.
I also find the conduct of the girls who made the false claims about him to be despicable.
He was the subject of abuse and attacks in prison for many years because of the crime for which he was convicted of.
From 1979 onwards, Kiszko developed schizophrenia whilst in prison and began to suffer from delusions, one being that he was the victim of a plot to incarcerate an innocent tax-office employee so the effects of imprisonment would be tested on him. Over the next 11 years any of Kiszko's claims of innocence were labelled by prisons he was held in as symptoms of his schizophrenic delusions, or because they felt he was in a mental state of denial over the murder. One forensic psychiatrist in prison made a note of Kiszko suffering from "delusions of innocence".
Absolutely appalling that an innocent man had to suffer this...what must he have thought about society?
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Can I just add something here?
When Ronald Castree was arrested and charged with the murder of Lesley Molseed, it did have a devestating effect on Beverly (Ronalds former wife) and also their children. I feel they are also victims in all of this as much as the Molseed family and the Kiszko family too.
I know Nick Castree has tried to get the government to offer ALL the victims in a crime such as this the oppertunity to access support much in the same way as has Richard Mccann. I think crimes like this have more devestation than people realise. Unfortunately Sonia Newlands (Richard's sister) committed suicide, however Nick and his family are doing well and they're lovely people.
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Some other details and consequences:
Kiszko's trial, was conducted under Sir Hugh Park. He was defended by David Waddington QC, who later became Home Secretary. The prosecuting QC, Peter Taylor, later became Lord Chief Justice the day after Kiszko was cleared of the murder in 1992. Taylor was most noted for his reports into the Hillsborough Disaster at the Sheffield Wednesday FC football stadium at Hillsborough resulting in "All seat stadiums" and the removal of "fenced pens". Lord Chief Justice Taylor became very aware of the possibility of Miscarriages of Justice and concentrated on the consideration of appeals and was responsible for many liberal innovations in the English justice system. He gave strong support of the full disclosure of prosecution evidence and also supported moves towards disclosure of defence evidence.
The first appeal was dismissed on 25 May 1978, when Lord Justice Bridge said "We can find no grounds whatsoever to condemn the jury's verdict of murder as in any way unsafe or unsatisfactory The appeal is dismissed". Lord Justice Bridge is best known for his role as presiding judge in the infamous Birmingham Six trial, especially his closing remarks where he regretted his inability to hang those convicted.
On 17 February 1992, the judicial investigation into Kiszko's conviction began. It was heard by three judges, Lord Lane, Mr. Justice Rose and Mr. Justice Potts. After hearing the new evidience presented by the defence The Crown did not put up any contrary argument and immediately accepted its validity. Lord Chief Justice Lane ordered his immediate release from prison custody. Anthony Beaumont-Dark, a Conservative MP said, "This must be the worst miscarriage of justice of all time" and, like many others, demanded a full, independent and wide ranging inquiry into the conviction.
The 1976 trial judge Sir Hugh Park, who had praised the police and the 13-year-old girls at the original trial for bringing Kiszko to justice, apologised for what had happened to Kiszko but said he was not sorry for how he had handled the court case.
In 1994 the senior officer in charge of the original investigation Detective Superintendent Dick Holland and the forensic scientist Mr Ronald Outteridge (retired), were formally charged with "doing acts tending to pervert the course of justice" by allegedly suppressing evidence against Kiszko, namely the results of scientific tests on semen taken from the victim's body and from the accused. On May Day, 1995 the case was challenged by defence barristers, arguing that the case was an abuse of process and that charges should be stayed as the passage of time had made a fair trial impossible. The presiding magistrate agreed and as the case was never presented before a jury, the law regards the accused as presumed innocent.
Holland, who came to public prominence as a senior officer on the flawed investigation into the murders committed by the Yorkshire Ripper, he retired in 1988, at a time when he viewed the conviction of both Kiszko and of Judith Ward (In May 1992 her conviction was also viewed as unsafe by the High Court) as being among his finest hours during his 35 years in the police force. However, Holland was demoted during the Yorkshire Ripper inquiry four years after Kiszko's conviction.
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Can I just add something here?
When Ronald Castree was arrested and charged with the murder of Lesley Molseed, it did have a devestating effect on Beverly (Ronalds former wife) and also their children. I feel they are also victims in all of this as much as the Molseed family and the Kiszko family too.
I know Nick Castree has tried to get the government to offer ALL the victims in a crime such as this the oppertunity to access support much in the same way as has Richard Mccann. I think crimes like this have more devestation than people realise. Unfortunately Sonia Newlands (Richard's sister) committed suicide, however Nick and his family are doing well and they're lovely people.
I was not aware of this. What awful consequences. Thank you Joanne.
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I do wonder in this case and also the case of Jill Dando and Barry George-how the hell was the questioning conducted? Did they have advocates (I think not) to help them? In one report I heard (well an interview) it was said that Stefan Kiszko said he'd done it because he thought they'd let him go home for christmas-how bad is that!?
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I do wonder in this case and also the case of Jill Dando and Barry George-how the hell was the questioning conducted? Did they have advocates (I think not) to help them? In one report I heard (well an interview) it was said that Stefan Kiszko said he'd done it because he thought they'd let him go home for christmas-how bad is that!?
That does come out in the film but I am not sure how accurate it is. The Stephen Downing case was similar.
From my reading of modern English history this country went through an "unfortunate period" in the late 1970's and 1980's largely due to financial decline and difficulties in Law and Order. I think procedures are much better now but certainly at that time it seemed to be a case of "Rounding up the usual suspects" and seeing who cracked first.
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I do wonder in this case and also the case of Jill Dando and Barry George-how the hell was the questioning conducted? Did they have advocates (I think not) to help them? In one report I heard (well an interview) it was said that Stefan Kiszko said he'd done it because he thought they'd let him go home for christmas-how bad is that!?
I can well believe that [Name removed]o, it happens all the time unfortunately. Some police officers and especially detectives think that they are above the Law!
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I recall watching a film about the case. It was so sad. On Stefan's first birthday in prison his mother planted a tree in her garden which was say around 40cm tall. When he was released it was as tall as the house. I found this so poignant.
He developed schizophrenia whilst in prison and one can't help but wonder whether this was brought on by all the taunts and physical attacks he suffered at the hands of inmates.
Prior to prison he was socially awkward. I think I've seen it mentioned that he had Aspergers Syndrome but I am unsure if he was diagnosed as such. Again one can only wonder whether his awkwardness made him an easy target for a wrongful conviction. 8(8-))
I haven't had a chance to read all about the case Holly but you have answered one of my questions which was why were the police able to pick on him so easily.
I also find the conduct of the girls who made the false claims about him to be despicable.
He was the subject of abuse and attacks in prison for many years because of the crime for which he was convicted of.
From 1979 onwards, Kiszko developed schizophrenia whilst in prison and began to suffer from delusions, one being that he was the victim of a plot to incarcerate an innocent tax-office employee so the effects of imprisonment would be tested on him. Over the next 11 years any of Kiszko's claims of innocence were labelled by prisons he was held in as symptoms of his schizophrenic delusions, or because they felt he was in a mental state of denial over the murder. One forensic psychiatrist in prison made a note of Kiszko suffering from "delusions of innocence".
Absolutely appalling that an innocent man had to suffer this...what must he have thought about society?
Yes the girls' false claims were despicable. They appeared very young in the film say early teens at most and I am sure had no idea of the seriousness of what they were alleging.
It was most unfortunate in that Stefan had some sort of hormonal imbalance meaning that he had little or no sex drive. He had recently received treatment for this and developed a 'normal' sex drive. As such he purchased some pornographic magazines (as most young men do I believe). He kept them in the boot of his car perhaps because he lived with his mother. On the day in question he drove to a quiet location to view the magazines. He then returned the magazines to the boot of his car but had forgotten to zip himself up. I can't recall whether he was actually exposed or not. The girls suddenly appeared from nowhere and saw him in a slight state of undress and possibly exposed. It was all entirely innocent but obviously the consequences for Stefan were disastrous.
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Good afternoon guys. The Kiszko case is a very good example of how the police and the prosecuting folks can get away with just about anything if they choose to do so. I notice that some of them were charged following Mr Kiszkos release but were saved due to the passage of time and allowed to carry on. What a sham!!!
The girls were 13 apparently.
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Good afternoon guys. The Kiszko case is a very good example of how the police and the prosecuting folks can get away with just about anything if they choose to do so. I notice that some of them were charged following Mr Kiszkos release but were saved due to the passage of time and allowed to carry on. What a sham!!!
The girls were 13 apparently.
Spot on BH....I found this on Wiki
The 1976 trial judge Sir Hugh Park, who had praised the police and the 13-year-old girls at the original trial for bringing Kiszko to justice, apologised for what had happened to Kiszko but said he was not sorry for how he had handled the court case.
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I think it is worth posting this as well.
Police cleared of any wrongdoing
In 1994 the surviving senior officer in charge of the original investigation Detective Superintendent Dick Holland and the forensic scientist who worked on the case Ronald Outteridge (retired), were formally charged with "doing acts tending to pervert the course of justice" by allegedly suppressing evidence against Kiszko, namely the results of scientific tests on semen taken from the victim's body and from the accused. On May Day, 1995 the case was challenged by defence barristers, arguing that the case was an abuse of process and that charges should be stayed as the passage of time had made a fair trial impossible. The presiding magistrate agreed and as the case was never presented before a jury, the law regards the accused as presumed innocent.
Holland, who came to public prominence as a senior officer on the flawed investigation into the murders committed by the Yorkshire Ripper, retired in 1988, at a time when he viewed the conviction of both Kiszko and of Judith Ward (In May 1992 her conviction was also viewed as unsafe by the High Court) as being among his finest hours during his 35 years in the police force. However, Holland was demoted during the Yorkshire Ripper inquiry four years after Kiszko's conviction. He died in February 2007 at the age of 74.
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I think it is worth posting this as well.
Police cleared of any wrongdoing
In 1994 the surviving senior officer in charge of the original investigation Detective Superintendent Dick Holland and the forensic scientist who worked on the case Ronald Outteridge (retired), were formally charged with "doing acts tending to pervert the course of justice" by allegedly suppressing evidence against Kiszko, namely the results of scientific tests on semen taken from the victim's body and from the accused. On May Day, 1995 the case was challenged by defence barristers, arguing that the case was an abuse of process and that charges should be stayed as the passage of time had made a fair trial impossible. The presiding magistrate agreed and as the case was never presented before a jury, the law regards the accused as presumed innocent.
Holland, who came to public prominence as a senior officer on the flawed investigation into the murders committed by the Yorkshire Ripper, retired in 1988, at a time when he viewed the conviction of both Kiszko and of Judith Ward (In May 1992 her conviction was also viewed as unsafe by the High Court) as being among his finest hours during his 35 years in the police force. However, Holland was demoted during the Yorkshire Ripper inquiry four years after Kiszko's conviction. He died in February 2007 at the age of 74.
That must be the biggest get out of bull I have ever heard. They can prosecute paedophiles and others after 30 years but not one of their own??? That poor guy must have suffered dreadfully and that s..mbag Holland whose first name just happens to be DICK is well named.
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Here are some of the ITN news reports from the time.
http://www.itnsource.com/en/searchresults/
Just select the title and when it loads Press the orange "Play Clip" button at the bottom of the article.
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After release from prison Kiszko had been told he would receive £500,000 in compensation for the years spent in prison. He had received an interim payment, but neither he nor his mother ever received the full amount they were awarded, since both died before Kiszko was due to receive it.
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One of many Dhingra. 8@??)(
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They cant be trusted to carry out any investigation into their own people.