UK Justice Forum 🇬🇧
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Eleanor on June 05, 2019, 06:05:34 PM
-
Operation Grange have been awarded more Finance in The Search for Madeleine McCann. And the apprehension of her Abductor.
-
Do you have a cite, or is this your opinion? 8)--))
-
Do you have a cite, or is this your opinion? 8)--))
Good One. Try The Daily Mail.
Okay. I'll go and get it, if I must.
-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7108023/Home-Office-tells-Met-Police-fund-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-year.html
-
Operation Grange have been awarded more Finance in The Search for Madeleine McCann. And the apprehension of her Abductor.
Thank you Ellie
I was actually wanting an article about it that you could print up whole on here, but seems they are all blanked out by a banner with ads or by permission for the hosting publishers to track your computer.
Don't know how to get rid of that. The original article can be useful to refer to when answering
But thanks anyhow Ellie.
-
Excellent news.
-
Excellent news.
Very refreshing to have real news dealing with current issues as opposed to podcasters et al rehashing the first few months of Madeleine's disappearance.
-
Obviously something is in the wind. I am still opting for ongoing surveillance.
-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7108023/Home-Office-tells-Met-Police-fund-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-year.html
The most unpopular comment under the article?
“Good hope they find her”
Aren’t some people s..m?
-
The most unpopular comment under the article?
“Good hope they find her”
Aren’t some people s..m?
What is wrong with these people ?? *&^^& ??
-
The most unpopular comment under the article?
“Good hope they find her”
Aren’t some people s..m?
Indeed they are.
God knows what makes them tick?
The usual trite comments about how OG need another trip to enjoy some sunny weather.
Have only read a few.
-
Obviously something is in the wind. I am still opting for ongoing surveillance.
Yep, but I think this is part of something huge. Maybe they are trying to round them all up and stop this pertilence pestilence completely.?
-
Yep, but I think this is part of something huge. Maybe they are trying to round them all up and stop this pertilence completely.?
Was that pestilence? Pertilence sounds like a word but it didn't have meaning.
-
The comments section really says it all ... how many times have we seen this one ...
"what about other missing children & missing people in general ? How is this case getting so much money? These 2 parents have certainly paid the price for leaving their daughter alone but i am fed up of paying to find the her"
-
The comments section really says it all ... how many times have we seen this one ...
"what about other missing children & missing people in general ? How is this case getting so much money? These 2 parents have certainly paid the price for leaving their daughter alone but i am fed up of paying to find the her"
The difference is leads. When a case has exhausted the leads more money isn't going to help. I tend to think the issue is political as well. IMO it is a reminder to Portugal to show greater respect to foreigners in their country. Do a proper investigation from the start.
-
The difference is leads. When a case has exhausted the leads more money isn't going to help. I tend to think the issue is political as well. IMO it is a reminder to Portugal to show greater respect to foreigners in their country. Do a proper investigation from the start.
Precisely that Rob. It is the fact that the police still have something to work on which has prompted their request for more money. When they reach the end of the line they'll stop asking. The fact that they continue to do so is proof positive that they are still working on something.
-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7108023/Home-Office-tells-Met-Police-fund-Madeleine-McCann-investigation-year.html
A YEAR'S WORTH OF FUNDING.
-
Obviously something is in the wind. I am still opting for ongoing surveillance.
I believe the Policia Judiciaria have recently allocated more personnel to the case. This certainly suggest that they and Scotland Yard are both actively following a positive line of enquiry and they are far from finished with Madeleine's case which remains very active.
Surprisingly, the alleged breakthrough has come from Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria, who are said to be putting more resources into the case.
https://extra.ie/2019/05/04/news/real-life/new-suspect-madeleine-mccann
Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick, has said there are still “active lines of inquiry” being pursued by officers based at Scotland Yard and the Home Office is currently considering whether to fund the dedicated team for another year.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/03/portuguese-police-investigating-new-suspect-madeleine-mccann/
-
Clearly Operation Grange continues, but the news is getting less and less specific about the amount of funding being provided;
The government has said it will continue to fund the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann until March next year.
The three-year-old disappeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007.
More than £11m has been spent on the Met Police inquiry, known as Operation Grange, since it began in 2011.
The Home Office said a "similar" level of funding would be granted this year as in 2018/19, when the inquiry was given £300,000.
However, the department said the final decision on the amount would not be made until October.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48533619
-
To me this is largely about the protection of British Citizens Abroad who vanish in unknown circumstances. A British Passport gives British People this right, and states so.
-
Yep, but I think this is part of something huge. Maybe they are trying to round them all up and stop this pertilence completely.?
Who would they be trying to 'round up'...do you mean the people in your theory Sadie?
Not everyone who is sceptical of the abduction story is against more funding. I'm all for it. It's not going to the
parents as people keep repeating, it's going to solve how a girl disappeared and very probably died.
If our society just lets small children disappear with no consequences there's something very, very wrong.
If Operation grange is truly investigating all leads then they should continue.
-
To me this is largely about the protection of British Citizens Abroad who vanish in unknown circumstances. A British Passport gives British People this right, and states so.
How many British citizens have visited Portugal in the last 12 years? Divide 12 Million pounds by that number and that is hopefully a small price to pay for a trouble free holiday.
-
How many British citizens have visited Portugal in the last 12 years? Divide 12 Million pounds by that number and that is hopefully a small price to pay for a trouble free holiday.
Agreed, Rob. Good Point. But anywhere in The World will do. This is a fundamental right of all British Citizens Abroad. That's what The Passport means Pass Port Unhindered.
This one just happened to be Portugal and the Investigation just happened to be pretty abysmal.
Not that I don't care about other missing people but that is for their own countries to deal with.
People missing in Britain? That can only be left to Internal Authorities.
-
The difference is leads. When a case has exhausted the leads more money isn't going to help. I tend to think the issue is political as well. IMO it is a reminder to Portugal to show greater respect to foreigners in their country. Do a proper investigation from the start.
I agree with the first part, but not the second.
-
I agree with the first part, but not the second.
When looking back at my response to Rob's original post ... I had forgotten to mention the second part of it. As an outsider looking in ... I think official attitudes are in the process of changing as the old older changes ... for example, I think the Policia Judiciaria are determined to pursue Madeleine's case as far as it goes this time round. My experience of Portugal and the Portuguese is a positive one ... and I think that applies to most foreigners ... probably what Madeleine experienced should perhaps be recognised as the perfect storm I think it was.
-
In my opinion Smithman has been the prime suspect for years and that will NEVER change. When they reveal who he is then you will all know.
-
Brilliant news, they wouldn't be awarded more funding unless they were on to something 8((()*/
-
Brilliant news, they wouldn't be awarded more funding unless they were on to something 8((()*/
We've been saying that for years, however.
-
Brilliant news, they wouldn't be awarded more funding unless they were on to something 8((()*/
Though obviously not expecting a speedy conclusion as they have funding for a year.
I'm sure OG will manage to spend every penny of it and then come back for even more.
-
Though obviously not expecting a speedy conclusion as they have funding for a year.
I'm sure OG will manage to spend every penny of it and then come back for even more.
As long as there remains work to be carried out on Madeleine's case ... the police will make a case for continued funding ... I think that is entirely as it should be.
-
When looking back at my response to Rob's original post ... I had forgotten to mention the second part of it. As an outsider looking in ... I think official attitudes are in the process of changing as the old older changes ... for example, I think the Policia Judiciaria are determined to pursue Madeleine's case as far as it goes this time round. My experience of Portugal and the Portuguese is a positive one ... and I think that applies to most foreigners ... probably what Madeleine experienced should perhaps be recognised as the perfect storm I think it was.
IMO, there's been a new basis of cooperation established which is healthier (for both forces) than the initial one.
-
I agree with the first part, but not the second.
Can you assure me the PJ don't have a thing about pinning the blame on foreigners? I don't know Portugal but only the very few cases I've heard about make me fear the place. There was the Australian woman hit on the head 4 times with an axe and the PJ put it down to suicide. There was the couple found at the bottom of a building (last year?) and they put that down to an accident, whereas I think the evidence pointed to murder.
IMO, there's been a new basis of cooperation established which is healthier (for both forces) than the initial one.
Well I hope it is genuine change and not just the result from the feeling of being pressured into it.
-
Can you assure me the PJ don't have a thing about pinning the blame on foreigners? I don't know Portugal but only the very few cases I've heard about make me fear the place. There was the Australian woman hit on the head 4 times with an axe and the PJ put it down to suicide. There was the couple found at the bottom of a cliff (last year?) and they put that down to an accident, whereas I think the evidence pointed to murder.
Well I hope it is genuine change and not just the feeling of being pressured into it.
I don't think there is any suggestion the Portuguese have yielded to any pressure except internal ones. I think their initial review which was driven by the PJ in Porto, started about the same time Scotland Yard started theirs.
I think the PJ are as determined if not more so than SY to sort Madeleine's case out ... and I think Carana is right about the spirit of cooperation there is towards that end.
-
I don't think there is any suggestion the Portuguese have yielded to any pressure except internal ones. I think their initial review which was driven by the PJ in Porto, started about the same time Scotland Yard started theirs.
I think the PJ are as determined if not more so than SY to sort Madeleine's case out ... and I think Carana is right about the spirit of cooperation there is towards that end.
From here I would have no way of telling except for reports of cases investigated by the PJ and to consider whether they appear to be properly investigated.
IMO if the change is genuine it won't just be the McCann case that gets sorted out.
-
From here I would have no way of telling except for reports of cases investigated by the PJ and to consider whether they appear to be properly investigated.
IMO if the change is genuine it won't just be the McCann case that gets sorted out.
Don't ask me for a quote because I don't have one ... but I read that the reorganisation of the judicial system and courts has proceeded well and has borne fruit to the benefit of all concerned.
There is also evidence that corrupt police are being systematically dealt with.
I am absolutely certain Madeleine's case won't be alone in getting 'sorted' ... but I am also certain that the perceived incompetence of police actions as in Madeleine's case will have far less chance of occurring in the future due to lessons having been learned.
-
Can you assure me the PJ don't have a thing about pinning the blame on foreigners? I don't know Portugal but only the very few cases I've heard about make me fear the place. There was the Australian woman hit on the head 4 times with an axe and the PJ put it down to suicide. There was the couple found at the bottom of a building (last year?) and they put that down to an accident, whereas I think the evidence pointed to murder.
Well I hope it is genuine change and not just the result from the feeling of being pressured into it.
Re the Australian woman:
I was never able to get to the bottom of the Australian woman. She apparently died as a result of a blow to the head, but it's not clear to me whether the initial blow was an accident (falling somewhere) or by a third party, nor whether any subsequent cranial fractures were due to an autopsy or not.
Re a new police "dynasty" - yes, I think they're moving forward. Institutional change takes time.
-
Re the Australian woman:
I was never able to get to the bottom of the Australian woman. She apparently died as a result of a blow to the head, but it's not clear to me whether the initial blow was an accident (falling somewhere) or by a third party, nor whether any subsequent cranial fractures were due to an autopsy or not.
Re a new police "dynasty" - yes, I think they're moving forward. Institutional change takes time.
What about the second case? "The bizarre mystery of Australian man and his girlfriend found dead beneath a cliff in Portugal." https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/the-bizarre-mystery-of-australian-man-and-his-girlfriend-found-dead-beneath-a-cliff-in-portugal/ar-AAyMvmj
Who takes selfies in the night?
There seems to be a wall then a ledge and then another wall. You can't just fall from the top to the bottom without hitting the ledge half way down. Was forensics done in this case. Did the sign have fibres and blood on it?
There seem to be photos of them standing on high positions so I suppose talking selfies is a good suggestion. The phone if it fell would be on the ledge, not beside the bodies IMO.
-
What about the second case? "The bizarre mystery of Australian man and his girlfriend found dead beneath a cliff in Portugal." https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/the-bizarre-mystery-of-australian-man-and-his-girlfriend-found-dead-beneath-a-cliff-in-portugal/ar-AAyMvmj
Who takes selfies in the night?
There seems to be a wall then a ledge and then another wall. You can't just fall from the top to the bottom without hitting the ledge half way down. Was forensics done in this case. Did the sign have fibres and blood on it?
There seem to be photos of them standing on high positions so I suppose talking selfies is a good suggestion. The phone if it fell would be on the ledge, not beside the bodies IMO.
No idea, Rob. First I've heard of that case.
-
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/portugal-cliff-death-parents-of-michael-kearn-say-report-into-sons-death-shoddy-incomplete-ng-b881043136z
"Portugal cliff death: parents of Michael Kearn say report into son’s death ‘shoddy, incomplete’"
Well is it?
As far as Australia is concerned I'd imagine the government wouldn't want to interfere as it might affect trade.
-
Who would they be trying to 'round up'...do you mean the people in your theory Sadie?
Not everyone who is sceptical of the abduction story is against more funding. I'm all for it. It's not going to the
parents as people keep repeating, it's going to solve how a girl disappeared and very probably died.
If our society just lets small children disappear with no consequences there's something very, very wrong.
If Operation grange is truly investigating all leads then they should continue.
Very sound post Gertrude 8@??)(
I have respect for a compassionate sceptic, especially one who is open minded
The rounding up would be massive, global, if my theory is correct. But more concentrated in some areas than others.
I have already shared as much as I dare ... and I don't want to mess the investigation up if I am correct in my thoughts, so I am stopping here..