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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on July 05, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
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Please don't shoot the messenger. I am merely highlighting what I consider to be an anomaly for further investigation. MG's wit stat dated Aug 2007 states the following:
Personal Profile
I am a 'retired' police officer, formally a senior instructor at the South
Yorkshire Police dog training establishment.
I have 35 years experience in the training of dogs both within the police
service and in the public sector.
I specialise in the development and training of specialist search dogs to
include narcotics, explosives, currency, human remains, blood and semen.
I am the Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau
of Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.
I am a U.K.A.C.P.O. (Association of Chief Police Officers, England and Wales)
accredited police dog training instructor. I am a Subject Matter Expert in
forensic canine search and on the N.P.I.A. (National Policing Improvement
Agency) Expert Advisers database.
I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation.
I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use
of dogs and facilitate training.
I am regularly deployed to homicide cases within my portfolio and form a
'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams
from Dyfed Powys and USA.
I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs:
'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an
Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).
'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel bitch who is trained as an
Human blood search dog (C.S.I. dog).
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
A report produced by the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) dated 2009 regarding the disappearance of Shannon Matthews in 2008 states the following:
The Victim Recovery Dogs used in this operation were drawn from 4 different forces. It emerged that each force has its own training and deployment policy and so there is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done. Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers, or record keeping of the success rate they achieve. This makes it difficult for SIO's to interpret the indication from a dog with no way knowing how reliable that indication was in the first place. ACPO is currently examining this issue due to a number of recent cases where the use of victim recovery dogs has had the potential to cause complications in an enquiry.
The value of these dogs is undoubted, but there is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment and better information for SIOs about their use. The NPIA is currently working with the ACPO Strategic Dogs Working Group to resolve these issues.
Page 25 of doc:
http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf
So there seems to be a mismatch between MG and NPIA?
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At the time MG entered 5A he was no longer employed by UK police/Home Office but operating under his own steam and selling his services for a fee? Was there some conflict of interest here? Who actually commissioned MG and the dogs? Or did MG knock on PJ's door selling his services? What sort of fee/expenses did MG receive?
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At the time MG entered 5A he was no longer employed by UK police/Home Office but operating under his own steam and selling his services for a fee? Was there some conflict of interest here? Who actually commissioned MG and the dogs? Or did MG knock on PJ's door selling his services? What sort of fee/expenses did MG receive?
Wouldn't we all like to know that.
Martin Grime was paid 96,000 Pounds for the Jersey Case, plus expenses and free accommodation.
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And interestingly, according to his LinkedIn profile, he left the police service and set up his own consultancy in Aug 2007 &%%6
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78
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At the time MG entered 5A he was no longer employed by UK police/Home Office but operating under his own steam and selling his services for a fee? Was there some conflict of interest here? Who actually commissioned MG and the dogs? Or did MG knock on PJ's door selling his services? What sort of fee/expenses did MG receive?
fees received - No idea. Is it relevant?
How much did McCann private detectives receive? Again does it matter?
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Wouldn't we all like to know that.
Martin Grime was paid 96,000 Pounds for the Jersey Case, plus expenses and free accommodation.
I'm beginning to get a bad smell about this 8)--))
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fees received - No idea. Is it relevant?
How much did McCann private detectives receive? Again does it matter?
I've worked in a fee charging environment and best practice is transparency to avoid any sorts of claims about conflicts of interest etc.
You will find many have to register any sort of freebies say a modest lunch to avoid any claims of conflict of interest eg police, MP's.
I don't see that its important with the McCanns. They are private individuals paying for services to find MM. But you will recall the various outfits received a lot of criticism for fees charged with little or no benefit. They're hardly likely to turn work away?
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as i understand grime was employed when he carried out the searches and retired immediately afterwords.
I have constantly raised the point that grime has a commercial interest in the promotion of the abilities of cadaver dogs
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Transparency may have importance if the UK taxpayer is footing the bill, otherwise it is none of their business.
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Transparency may have importance if the UK taxpayer is footing the bill, otherwise it is none of their business.
In reality that it is not the case with organisations that have good corporate governance.
For 2.5 decades I worked in financial services. During the late 80's/90's I, along with others, would experience 'corporate days out' at the expense of blue chip organisations whose products needed selling! These days involved limo pick ups, champagne from early in the morning as much as you could drink, free entry to whatever the event was, money for bets at the races, fine dining and for those inclined late night experiences 8(0(*
By the time I left I would need to register a cheap bottle of plonk at Christmas or risk getting struck off.
Certainly defence lawyers at trial would have a field day with MG over this sort of thing.
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In reality that it is not the case with organisations that have good corporate governance.
For 2.5 decades I worked in financial services. During the late 80's/90's I, along with others, would experience 'corporate days out' at the expense of blue chip organisations whose products needed selling! These days involved limo pick ups, champagne from early in the morning as much as you could drink, free entry to whatever the event was, money for bets at the races, fine dining and for those inclined late night experiences 8(0(*
By the time I left I would need to register a cheap bottle of plonk at Christmas or risk getting struck off.
Certainly defence lawyers at trial would have a field day with MG over this sort of thing.
Isn't going to happen so don't worry about it.
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I'm beginning to get a bad smell about this 8)--))
You are not alone. But we are not allowed to slag off Martin Grime, so we have to be a bit careful about what we say.
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There's a debate about the science and the efficacy of dogs detecting cadaveric volatile organic compounds (VOCs) on another thread. The forensic science shows us just how useful these dogs can be.... quick let's start a new thread and try to discredit the dog handler instead.
In the Matthews case the dog alerted correctly to the presence of VOCs, and as Grime rightly points out it is then up to forensic science to tell us when, why and how a death occurred.
Grime and his dogs have an excellent record in operations. Why else would they be so highly regarded by the FBI?
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There has been a lot of discussion about the exact date of Martin Grime's Retirement, especially as he was entitled to some Retirement Leave.
The important thing for me is who got paid for The Praia de Luz Job. And I don't think it was The South Yorkshire Police.
He also used The Dog Video taken in Praia de Luz to land The Jersey Job.
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You are not alone. But we are not allowed to slag off Martin Grime, so we have to be a bit careful about what we say.
My intention is not to slag off anyone.
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There's a debate about the science and the efficacy of dogs detecting cadaveric volatile organic compounds (VOCs) on another thread. The forensic science shows us just how useful these dogs can be.... quick let's start a new thread and try to discredit the dog handler instead.
In the Matthews case the dog alerted correctly to the presence of VOCs, and as Grime rightly points out it is then up to forensic science to tell us when, why and how a death occurred.
Grime and his dogs have an excellent record in operations. Why else would they be so highly regarded by the FBI?
What MG told PJ about his credentials in 2007 and what you're stating above is at odds with what the NPIA stated in 2009?
What evidence do you have that MG/dogs are "so highly regarded by the FBI"?
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My intention is not to slag off anyone.
Even questions can be misunderstood.
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In reality that it is not the case with organisations that have good corporate governance.
For 2.5 decades I worked in financial services. During the late 80's/90's I, along with others, would experience 'corporate days out' at the expense of blue chip organisations whose products needed selling! These days involved limo pick ups, champagne from early in the morning as much as you could drink, free entry to whatever the event was, money for bets at the races, fine dining and for those inclined late night experiences 8(0(*
By the time I left I would need to register a cheap bottle of plonk at Christmas or risk getting struck off.
Certainly defence lawyers at trial would have a field day with MG over this sort of thing.
That will be interesting.
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What MG told PJ about his credentials in 2007 and what you're stating above is at odds with what the NPIA stated in 2009?
What evidence do you have that MG/dogs are "so highly regarded by the FBI"?
They employed him to provide consultancy and appropiate canine resources to the FBI Laboratory Division CFSRU in relation to research being conducted into the detection of human decomposition odour and human blood. He was Special Advisor to the FBI's Canine Forensic Program.They are not likely to have done so if his work was so obviously flawed.
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They employed him to provide consultancy and appropiate canine resources to the FBI Laboratory Division CFSRU in relation to research being conducted into the detection of human decomposition odour and human blood. He was Special Advisor to the FBI's Canine Forensic Program.They are not likely to have done so if his work was so obviously flawed.
Do you think the FBI subjected Martin Grime and his dogs to any sort of independent testing or did they just take Grime’s word for it that Eddie was an Enhanced Recovery Dog (the only dog ever given that title afaik) and that the dogs performed flawlessly?
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What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.
"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."
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What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.
"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."
Your quote does not support what you wrote. Cite for the FBI testing Grime’s dogs prior to employing his service please.
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Read the files they trained with the FBI.
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At the time MG entered 5A he was no longer employed by UK police/Home Office but operating under his own steam and selling his services for a fee? Was there some conflict of interest here? Who actually commissioned MG and the dogs? Or did MG knock on PJ's door selling his services? What sort of fee/expenses did MG receive?
Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?
Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...
I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
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Read the files they trained with the FBI.
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Who did the training? Who did the evaluating?
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There's a debate about the science and the efficacy of dogs detecting cadaveric volatile organic compounds (VOCs) on another thread. The forensic science shows us just how useful these dogs can be.... quick let's start a new thread and try to discredit the dog handler instead.
In the Matthews case the dog alerted correctly to the presence of VOCs, and as Grime rightly points out it is then up to forensic science to tell us when, why and how a death occurred.
Grime and his dogs have an excellent record in operations. Why else would they be so highly regarded by the FBI?
the scientist in vitro show us how useful the dogs can be ...but in vivo....its not quite the same
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Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?
Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...
I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
I dont think there can be any doubt that Grime was preparing to launch is new business venture whilst in PDL and used the video taken in PDL to promote his new business venture
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Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?
Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...
I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
Are you saying I've misunderstood? If so, what?
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What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.
"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."
Did you find that quote here?
http://dogsdontlie.com/main/
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I dont think there can be any doubt that Grime was preparing to launch is new business venture whilst in PDL and used the video taken in PDL to promote his new business venture
Fair enough too.
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Perhaps it would help you if you looked at what Grime said?
Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force...
I never met nor spoken to Gerald McCann. However I do know that he addressed my head supervisor at the time, the South Yorkshire Head of Police, or Mr. Meredith Hughes.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
Tsk interfering with witneses. What right did Gerry think he had contacting the head of Police?
It beggars belief the people they shot down-without the blink of an eye. Them poor victims.
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What do you think? Of course they would be tested by the FBI.
"FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies."
so....american dogs had failed to find the remains..
so...they brought in Eddie...at great expense i would have thought
so...they had to justify that expense...describing eddie as some kind of superdog
but,,...eddie failed to find any remains either
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Tsk interfering with witneses. What right did Gerry think he had contacting the head of Police?
It beggars belief the people they shot down-without the blink of an eye. Them poor victims.
Who says he is not allowed to contact Martin Grime's manager?
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so....american dogs had failed to find the remains..
so...they brought in Eddie...at great expense i would have thought
so...they had to justify that expense...describing eddie as some kind of superdog
but,,...eddie failed to find any remains either
Well they can be fairly sure the remains aren't in the places Eddie looked. That is also valuable intelligence.
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Who says he is not allowed to contact Martin Grime's manager?
Why would he even consider it and how did he even know who Grime's manager was?
I do hope he was sent away with a flea in his ear ?{)(**
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Why would he even consider it and how did he even know who Grime's manager was?
I do hope he was sent away with a flea in his ear ?{)(**
You'd just ring up and ask "I want to talk to Mr Grime's manager".
We don't know anything about what was said.
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You'd just ring up and ask "I want to talk to Mr Grime's manager".
We don't know anything about what was said.
The voice of entitlement @)(++(*
I'm sure he wasn't ringing up to praise Mr Grime and his dogs 8(0(*
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The voice of entitlement @)(++(*
I'm sure he wasn't ringing up to praise Mr Grime and his dogs
Or it could have been "please may I speak to ....." which in the end just means "I want to talk to ...."
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Are you saying I've misunderstood? If so, what?
I thought you wanted to know who he was working for?
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Why would he even consider it and how did he even know who Grime's manager was?
I do hope he was sent away with a flea in his ear ?{)(**
It seems someone told him who Grime was and where he worked.
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You'd just ring up and ask "I want to talk to Mr Grime's manager".
We don't know anything about what was said.
I don't think it's that easy to casually ring a Chief Constable.
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I don't think it's that easy to casually ring a Chief Constable.
I the case in NZ I was able to be put through to quite high levels. It is a matter of overcoming the fear. Just do it.
The Pope , the prime minister, the Chief Constable what's the problem?
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I don't think it's that easy to casually ring a Chief Constable.
Might not be too much of a problem when you have 'Stu' and Gamble as best buddies 8(0(*
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I thought you wanted to know who he was working for?
I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?
In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?
How come S.Yorks police got involved? I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?
Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs? Did Leic contact S.Yorks?
I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks? If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?
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I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?
In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?
How come S.Yorks police got involved? I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?
Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs? Did Leic contact S.Yorks?
I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks? If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?
Something in the back of my mind says South Yorkshire were leading the way in the use of dogs generally. I sort of recall reading something, can't cite that though.
And I'm sure the CC's of these forces all attend the same grip and grin sessions.
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I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?
In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?
How come S.Yorks police got involved? I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?
Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs? Did Leic contact S.Yorks?
I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks? If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?
As I understand it, Leicester were acting as the coordinating Force within UK. Other agencies such as CEOP were also involved .
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I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?
In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?
How come S.Yorks police got involved? I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?
Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs? Did Leic contact S.Yorks?
I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks? If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?
Grime worked in Operational Support with S. Yorks police (dog section).
He co-trained Keela on a unique non-ACPO programme with Mark Harrison of NPIA. They may have been sponsored by Keela International.
Mark Harrison (geo-forensics expert) did a scoping report in Luz on behalf of UK police for PJ to determine where Madeleine's body may have been hidden/buried if she had been murdered. It was Harrison's recommendation to deploy specialist dogs but he only quoted the fees for Eddie & Keela, not other UK dog teams.
Harrison also worked with Vicky Coupland during his time with Bedfordshire police. Vicky Coupland went on to become the State of Jersey Forensics manager and in 2008 Grime was deployed there with Eddie & Keela in the Haut de la Garenne investigation. Most of Grime's time in Jersey was spent as a crime scene investigator, a role he was not qualified for.
You will find this document interesting reading. https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf
Note that Grime failed to provide any training records for SOJ police, despite having been requested to do so.
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Might not be too much of a problem when you have 'Stu' and Gamble as best buddies 8(0(*
Not to mention Ambassador John Buck and President of ACPO Ken Jones.
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does the report by misty suggest grime lied about his acpo status in Jersey...there are 7 pages devoted to criticising Grime and his use in the investigation...doesnt anyone find that astonishing
Mr grime was not ACPO accredited despite his claims to be so
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Not to mention Ambassador John Buck and President of ACPO Ken Jones.
And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.
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And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.
We were discussing those who might have eased Gerry's path to Grime's boss.
Nothing to do with Amaral, but I guess you just couldn't resist ?{)(**
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i think what we see in both Jersey and PDL..and it can be supported by evidence....is the lead detectives ..amaral and harper...falling for the hype around the dog alerts
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what we see in both Jersey and PDL...is the lead detectives ..amral and harper...falling for the hype around the dog alerts
That must be opinion so where is the required "IMO"!
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That must be opinion so where is the required "IMO"!
if you like but in the case of harper ...the report posted by misty says just that ..and Amaral made claims such as..
the dogs have solved 200 cases...and helped find a childs body under flag stones in jersey... i think thats proof more than opinion
The report on Jersey goes into detail about how Harpers reliance on JAR 6... the coconut ...took the investigation into the wrong direction
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And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.
I don't think he was in charge.
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I don't think he was in charge.
so you accept he was flawed...lol
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if you like but in the case of harper ...the report posted by misty says just that ..and Amaral made claims such as..
the dogs have solved 200 cases...and helped find a childs body under flag stones in jersey... i think thats proof more than opinion
When people enquire for your opinion I hope you don't give them a spiel like that. Your opinion is possibly correct but IMO it is still opinion.
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When people enquire for your opinion I hope you don't give them a spiel like that. Your opinion is possibly correct but IMO it is still opinion.
I dont give anyone any spiel...lol....
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I dont give anyone any spiel...lol....
Do I not count?
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Do I not count?
its your opinion and no...your opinion doesnt count
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We were discussing those who might have eased Gerry's path to Grime's boss.
Nothing to do with Amaral, but I guess you just couldn't resist ?{)(**
I wouldn't be surprised if Amaral helped on that one.
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Might not be too much of a problem when you have 'Stu' and Gamble as best buddies 8(0(*
Is it a fact that "Stu" and Gamble are Gerry`s " best buddies"?
That would imply they meet socially.
Is this a fact or just your opinion?
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its your opinion and no...your opinion doesnt count
Look I am still your moderator, my opinion is what allows me to report, modify or delete posts. Be aware please.
It is so easy to write IMO now and then. Shows compliance.
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If you two kick off again, I am going to get cross.
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If you two kick off again, I am going to get cross.
I'm happy. I think Davel is happy. No need to get cross.
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Look I am still your moderator, my opinion is what allows me to report, modify or delete posts. Be aware please.
It is so easy to write IMO now and then. Shows compliance.
That will.apply to all posters?
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I'm happy. I think Davel is happy. No need to get cross.
Phew. I was thinking of emigrating down under, so thanks for that.
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Look I am still your moderator, my opinion is what allows me to report, modify or delete posts. Be aware please.
It is so easy to write IMO now and then. Shows compliance.
If you say "I think", or "it seems", or many other variations which imply it is opinion I'll let it go too. Makes my life a little easier.
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Look I am still your moderator, my opinion is what allows me to report, modify or delete posts. Be aware please.
It is so easy to write IMO now and then. Shows compliance.
you are not my moderator...you are a moderator.. although it does seem at times you are my moderator and are only moderating me.......could we leave it there as eleanor suggested.
I think weve seen over the last week there has been little or no need for moderation
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you are not my moderator...you are a moderator.. although it does seem at times you are my moderator and are only moderating me.......could we leave it there as eleanor suggested.
I think weve seen over the last week there has been little or no need for moderation
I'm going through my emails and there is still plenty of moderation going on. I've been pretty relaxed today as I was just getting too exhausted, but "I'll be back".
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I'm going through my emails and there is still plenty of moderation going on. I've been pretty relaxed today as I was just getting too exhausted, but "I'll be back".
I know how you feel, Rob. I took a break back along.
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does the report by misty suggest grime lied about his acpo status in Jersey...there are 7 pages devoted to criticising Grime and his use in the investigation...doesnt anyone find that astonishing
Mr grime was not ACPO accredited despite his claims to be so
I'm surprised no ones picked up on grime being accused of lying by the Jersey report
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Could be that people are not really that interested in your obsession with Grime & his dogs.
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Could be that people are not really that interested in your obsession with Grime & his dogs.
Someone’s got to do it...
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Someone’s got to do it...
That's two of you commenting... It seems the dogs are very popular but any criticism of grime isnt
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I'm surprised no ones picked up on grime being accused of lying by the Jersey report
I have to admit that I missed that. But I am not at all surprised. Although he probably didn't see it as lying exactly.
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I'm surprised no ones picked up on grime being accused of lying by the Jersey report
Perhaps it's just you who's obsessed with discrediting him?
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Perhaps it's just you who's obsessed with discrediting him?
Some people are obsessed with discrediting everything the McCanns say or do, horses for courses.
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Perhaps it's just you who's obsessed with discrediting him?
Since when has simply reporting verified facts amounted to trying to discredit... It seems to me that report wishes to discredit grime... Or are they simply telling the truth
Seems I've hit a nerve
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I have to admit that I missed that. But I am not at all surprised. Although he probably didn't see it as lying exactly.
It seems he claimed to be acpo registered when he wasn't....seems an odd thing for him to be confused about
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It seems he claimed to be acpo registered when he wasn't....seems an odd thing for him to be confused about
Bending the truth?
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Bending the truth?
Is Kate a GP?
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Is Kate a GP?
Does she claim to be one
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Is Kate a GP?
What has that got to do with Martin Grime’s status?
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I'm surprised no ones picked up on grime being accused of lying by the Jersey report
We know that Grime was ACPO accredited while he was a serving police officer. Is there any evidence that retired police officers lose any such accreditation on retirement?
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We know that Grime was ACPO accredited while he was a serving police officer. Is there any evidence that retired police officers lose any such accreditation on retirement?
yes...the stateemnt in the reportquoted on this thread. The report sys they interviewed grime so I dont see how there could be any confusion...have you not read it
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yes...the stateemnt in the reportquoted on this thread. The report sys they interviewed grime so I dont see how there could be any confusion...have you not read it
I asked for evidence of a specific matter. Do police officers lose ACPO accreditation on retirement?
As a firm of accountants BDO's remit was to examine the costs of the investigation. They seem to think that included criticising Grime's costs even though they were unable to present any exanples of the costs of using alternative providers. In truth they are criticising Harper for lack of diligence when he hired Grime.
We are not qualified to comment with any authority on what effect,if any, Mr Grime’s lack of ACPO accreditation and the fact that his dogs’ licences had expired, made on operations at Haut de la Garenne, and this is outside the scope of this Review in any event.
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I asked for evidence of a specific matter. Do police officers lose ACPO accreditation on retirement?
As a firm of accountants BDO's remit was to examine the costs of the investigation. They seem to think that included criticising Grime's costs even though they were unable to present any exanples of the costs of using alternative providers. In truth they are criticising Harper for lack of diligence when he hired Grime.
We are not qualified to comment with any authority on what effect,if any, Mr Grime’s lack of ACPO accreditation and the fact that his dogs’ licences had expired, made on operations at Haut de la Garenne, and this is outside the scope of this Review in any event.
They are qualified to comment on the fact Grime claimed in statement and documentation he was ACPO registered when he was not... Their report is evidence
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They are qualified to comment on the fact Grime claimed in statement and documentation he was ACPO registered when he was not... Their report is evidence
He said accredited, not registered. Do police offecers lose acreditation when they retire?
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He said accredited, not registered. Do police offecers lose acreditation when they retire?
I would think so. The warrants he had as a police officer would IMO terminate on his retirement.
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He said accredited, not registered. Do police offecers lose acreditation when they retire?
from the doc...Grime was not an ACPO accredited police dog instructor...despite his claim to be so....what we have is Grime claiming to be something he isnt...according to the report...that is quite a serious charge
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from the doc...Grime was not an ACPO accredited police dog instructor...despite his claim to be so....what we have is Grime claiming to be something he isnt...according to the report...that is quite a serious charge
You are saying Grime wasn’t ACPO accredited?
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You are saying Grime wasn’t ACPO accredited?
thats what the report says
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thats what the report says
As that report is by a firm of accountants I would like further evidence. Do police officers lose their accreditation when they retire or did these accountants make an assumption?
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As that report is by a firm of accountants I would like further evidence. Do police officers lose their accreditation when they retire or did these accountants make an assumption?
the report says despite claims submitted in stateemnts and documennts he was not ACPO accredited...thats sounds fairly convincing to me.
In his white paper grime talks alot about canine hndlers offering value for money. He stayed in a 4 star beachfront hotel....and insisted to being upgraded to a room with a beach view. There were less expensive hotels nearer the site....thats sounds a little inconsistent
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thats what the report says
The report says he was accredited.
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The report says he was accredited.
cite ...on what page..
bottom pg 37 ...was not ACPO accredited
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cite ...on what page..
bottom pg 37 ...was not ACPO accredited
Top of page 37 he was accredited.
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Top of page 37 he was accredited.
read it again...it says at the time of his retirement he was accredited
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read it again...it says at the time of his retirement he was accredited
Kate is a qualified GP, she is not licensed to practice. Grime is an accredited dog handler.
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the report says despite claims submitted in stateemnts and documennts he was not ACPO accredited...thats sounds fairly convincing to me.
In his white paper grime talks alot about canine hndlers offering value for money. He stayed in a 4 star beachfront hotel....and insisted to being upgraded to a room with a beach view. There were less expensive hotels nearer the site....thats sounds a little inconsistent
This is true. Marin Grime was having a high old time at the expense of The Tax Payer.
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Kate is a qualified GP, she is not licensed to practice. Grime is an accredited dog handler.
What?
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the report says despite claims submitted in stateemnts and documennts he was not ACPO accredited...thats sounds fairly convincing to me.
In his white paper grime talks alot about canine hndlers offering value for money. He stayed in a 4 star beachfront hotel....and insisted to being upgraded to a room with a beach view. There were less expensive hotels nearer the site....thats sounds a little inconsistent
Sounds like trivia to me.
Along the lines of 'there were 4* hotels close to Faro but OG chose a 5* further away'.
Froth.
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Kate is a qualified GP, she is not licensed to practice. Grime is an accredited dog handler.
He's not ACPO acredited
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Sounds like trivia to me.
Along the lines of 'there were 4* hotels close to Faro but OG chose a 5* further away'.
Froth.
There's a lot of it about
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He's not ACPO acredited
Does he work in the Uk?
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He's not ACPO acredited
That was who accredited him.
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Sounds like trivia to me.
Along the lines of 'there were 4* hotels close to Faro but OG chose a 5* further away'.
Froth.
You might think it's froth but he doesn't seem to have been employed in a similar role in the UK since
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That was who accredited him.
The report said he wasn't acpo accredited so it seems accreditation is time limited
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You might think it's froth but he doesn't seem to have been employed in a similar role in the UK since
Maybe work in the USA is more lucrative.
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read it again...it says at the time of his retirement he was accredited
So do police officers lose their accreditation on retirement or do they remain accredited for a certain period of time; the next assessment date for example? Keela's police licence didn't cease on her retirement; it lasted until February 2008.
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So do police officers lose their accreditation on retirement or do they remain accredited for a certain period of time; the next assessment date for example? Keela's police licence didn't cease on her retirement; it lasted until February 2008.
According to the report makers who interviewed him he was not accredited
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Maybe work in the USA is more lucrative.
Yes now he's changed his mind on how the alerts can be corroborated he can build himself a very lucrative career
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According to the report makers who interviewed him he was not accredited
Did they interview him?
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Yes now he's changed his mind on how the alerts can be corroborated he can build himself a very lucrative career
You have a problem with that?
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According to the report makers who interviewed him he was not accredited
Some accountants?
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Some accountants?
It was a very relevant point as it seems he should not even been given the contract as he was not accredited ...
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You have a problem with that?
Yes I do...
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Yes I do...
Oh dear. Don't suppose he will lose any sleep over that, however.
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Oh dear. Don't suppose he will lose any sleep over that, however.
Neither will I
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It was a very relevant point as it seems he should not even been given the contract as he was not accredited ...
Did Grime not say that it didn't matter because it wasn't England?
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Did Grime not say that it didn't matter because it wasn't England?
I believe he did
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It was a very relevant point as it seems he should not even been given the contract as he was not accredited ...
I got the impression they were assessing the costs of the investigation. It seems Harper didn't follow best practice in their opinion when he hired Grime. That isn't Grime's fault, it's Harper's fault.
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I got the impression they were assessing the costs of the investigation. It seems Harper didn't follow best practice in their opinion when he hired Grime. That isn't Grime's fault, it's Harper's fault.
It's Grimes fault if he supplied documents that he was, acpo registered in order to secure the job
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It's Grimes fault if he supplied documents that he was, acpo registered in order to secure the job
Prove documents were incorrect then. When did he lose his ACPO accreditation?
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Prove documents were incorrect then. When did he lose his ACPO accreditation?
I don't have to prove anything... The report is quite clear
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I believe he did
cite please
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I believe he did
He reportedly said that about Jersey.
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He reportedly said that about Jersey.
Exactly.
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As that report is by a firm of accountants I would like further evidence. Do police officers lose their accreditation when they retire or did these accountants make an assumption?
or did these accountants add it up wrong?
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the report says despite claims submitted in stateemnts and documennts he was not ACPO accredited...thats sounds fairly convincing to me.
In his white paper grime talks alot about canine hndlers offering value for money. He stayed in a 4 star beachfront hotel....and insisted to being upgraded to a room with a beach view. There were less expensive hotels nearer the site....thats sounds a little inconsistent
Being an animal lover I'm sure it was Eddie that insisted on that.
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Exactly.
But that in itself doesn’t show he wasn’t ACPO accredited whilst in PDL.
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But that in itself doesn’t show he wasn’t ACPO accredited whilst in PDL.
Good point. We started in PdL and ended up in Jersey for some reason. Harrison brought him in there and he was ACPO so I expect all was in order.
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Prove documents were incorrect then. When did he lose his ACPO accreditation?
The enquiry was a joint enquiry involving Michael Kellet an experienced SIO.. I'm sure he would be familiar with ACPO guidelines
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But that in itself doesn’t show he wasn’t ACPO accredited whilst in PDL.
The problem is Grime claiming to be accredited when he wasn't...if he was "mistaken " on that point it does suggest he might be mistaken on others
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The enquiry was a joint enquiry involving Michael Kellet an experienced SIO.. I'm sure he would be familiar with ACPO guidelines
So when did Grime's accreditation lapse?
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Yes now he's changed his mind on how the alerts can be corroborated he can build himself a very lucrative career
The FBI came to them for help.
30 DEC 2005
"In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.
A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.
Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.
Unlike ordinary police dogs, Keela has never taken part in the usual six-week training course but has been trained, bit by bit, by PC Grime every day.
Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm
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The FBI came to them for help.
30 DEC 2005
"In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.
A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.
Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.
Unlike ordinary police dogs, Keela has never taken part in the usual six-week training course but has been trained, bit by bit, by PC Grime every day.
Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm
That article ia about Keela... Not eddie
Keela finds evidence... She is judged on the evidence she finds..
That does answer a question... It was Keela the Americans were interested in
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DaveL - What was the date that Grime's ACPO accreditation lapsed?
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DaveL - What was the date that Grime's ACPO accreditation lapsed?
You would need to ask the policeman.. SIO Michael Kellet.. Who helped write the report
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That article ia about Keela... Not eddie
Keela finds evidence... She is judged on the evidence she finds..
That does answer a question... It was Keela the Americans were interested in
Eddie was tested by the FBI at their body farm to find out how good he was. Eddie's enhanced training was on human cadaver scent.
"Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.R.D. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a
verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response merely the scent itself."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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Eddie was tested by the FBI at their body farm to find out how good he was. Eddie's enhanced training was on human cadaver scent.
"Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.R.D. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a
verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response merely the scent itself."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
So what.. Eddie still reacted to pig meat and whatever else we don't know... Because he never seems to have been tested properly from what I can see
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ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig cadavers so stop spreading myths about pig meat and other nonsense!
In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated
assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States.
These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I
introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the
animals alerted to the medium. (The products were obtained from whole piglet
cadaver not processed food for human consumption). The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig cadavers so stop spreading myths about pig meat and other nonsense!
In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated
assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States.
These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I
introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the
animals alerted to the medium. (The products were obtained from whole piglet
cadaver not processed food for human consumption). The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
I'm not spreading myths.. I'm pointing out the truth... Do all cadaver dogs react to antique furniture too... Anything else to add to the list... According to grime teeth have been crossed off
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If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.
'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?
Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
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If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.
'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?
Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
So a cadaver dig will react to just about anything thst has ever been in contact with a cadaver or has been contaminated by something else that has been in contact with a cadaver... The list must be endless
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If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.
'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?
Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?
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Can you imagine an undertaker on a day out... He would be contaminating just about everywhere
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Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?
Point them out to me in the clothes testing footage? Cheers.
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You would need to ask the policeman.. SIO Michael Kellet.. Who helped write the report
Another retired policeman offering his 'expert' opinion. They get everywhere, don't they?
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Point them out to me in the clothes testing footage? Cheers.
Were none of Gerry’s clothes included? If not why not? How were the clothing items selected? Based on what logic?
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Another retired policeman offering his 'expert' opinion. They get everywhere, don't they?
That is actually s description of grime...
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I'm not spreading myths.. I'm pointing out the truth... Do all cadaver dogs react to antique furniture too... Anything else to add to the list... According to grime teeth have been crossed off
The antique furniture alert was correct - the dog alerted to cadaver odour on the antique furniture. Your attempts to discredit the dogs do not explain why Eddie and Keela only alerted to items related to the McCann's.
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The antique furniture alert was correct - the dog alerted to cadaver odour on the antique furniture. Your attempts to discredit the dogs do not explain why Eddie and Keela only alerted to items related to the McCann's.
I've already given an explanation for that... Based on the questions raised by the PJ regarding the alerts... I certainly seem to have hit a nerve... And I'm quoting facts.. Not my opinion
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The antique furniture alert was correct - the dog alerted to cadaver odour on the antique furniture. Your attempts to discredit the dogs do not explain why Eddie and Keela only alerted to items related to the McCann's.
If the alert to the furniture was correct then the dig will alert to just about anything depending in it's history...
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I've already given an explanation for that... Based on the questions raised by the PJ regarding the alerts... I certainly seem to have hit a nerve... And I'm quoting facts.. Not my opinion
I don't recall seeing an explanation from you on that one, but I am new here.
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I don't recall seeing an explanation from you on that one, but I am new here.
I'll repeat it tomorrow... With a cite from the PJ who observed the alerts
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If the alert to the furniture was correct then the dig will alert to just about anything depending in it's history...
No the dog alerts to cadaver odour, pig corpse and blood - not to just about everything. If the dogs alert to just about everything they would have alerted elsewhere. They only alerted at items relating to the McCann's. The searches were faster in the other areas because Eddie's behaviour didn't change. I have lurchers I can tell when they smell small furry creatures.
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No the dog alerts to cadaver odour, pig corpse and blood - not to just about everything. If the dogs alert to just about everything they would have alerted elsewhere. They only alerted at items relating to the McCann's. The searches were faster in the other areas because Eddie's behaviour didn't change. I have lurchers I can tell when they smell small furry creatures.
So we have to accept Grimes word... Perhaps he was mistaken as he was when he claimed to be ACPO accredited
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No the dog alerts to cadaver odour, pig corpse and blood - not to just about everything. If the dogs alert to just about everything they would have alerted elsewhere. They only alerted at items relating to the McCann's. The searches were faster in the other areas because Eddie's behaviour didn't change. I have lurchers I can tell when they smell small furry creatures.
you forgot coconut.
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So we have to accept Grimes word... Perhaps he was mistaken as he was when he claimed to be ACPO accredited
Perhaps you are that he wasn't? You don't have a date after all.
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No the dog alerts to cadaver odour, pig corpse and blood - not to just about everything. If the dogs alert to just about everything they would have alerted elsewhere. They only alerted at items relating to the McCann's. The searches were faster in the other areas because Eddie's behaviour didn't change. I have lurchers I can tell when they smell small furry creatures.
Have there ever been any tests to see if Grime unintentionally cues his dogs... Perhaps grime was excited as he knew this was the McCann apartment
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you forgot coconut.
I think you need to look a little closer at that one, horrible haunting place that it is.
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Perhaps you are that he wasn't? You don't have a date after all.
It's not me saying he wasn't... It's the ex senior police officer hired by Jersey Police to investigate the investigation
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I think you need to look a little closer at that one, horrible haunting place that it is.
I couldn’t look at it any closer than the forensic team did who concluded it was a bit of cocnut shell.
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It's puzzling why Keela, the blood dog, was ever taken to Jersey when the investigation was looking for bodies or body parts.
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Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?
Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.
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Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.
Gerry's first visit back to Rothley was 20/21st May 2007. The picture of him wearing the beige trousers with button trim was not taken until June 2007 afaik. Having looked at all the media photos of Gerry taken between 4th May & 1st June, I cannot find a single one of him wearing those trousers.
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Have there ever been any tests to see if Grime unintentionally cues his dogs... Perhaps grime was excited as he knew this was the McCann apartment
You can see Eddie's behaviour change quite clearly - and how could he cue Keela unless he had planted blood himself?
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Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.
And in the meantime neither had come into contact with shirts, t-shirts, underwear and cross contaminated them?
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That is actually s description of grime...
He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.
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He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.
IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.
Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.
unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts
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IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.
Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.
unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts
if my post requires an imo then so does gunits.....tia
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He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.
do you have a cite for grime developed a unique set of skills...he is cadver dog handler...there are others..he is not unique
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do you have a cite for grime developed a unique set of skills...he is cadver dog handler...there are others..he is not unique
He is when he uses his dogs.
Besides; unique to him.
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IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.
Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.
unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts
Grime is/was a lot more than a dog handler.
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Grime is/was a lot more than a dog handler.
Dog handler/trainer... What else
You claim he is now an academic... One white paper that contains nothing new apart from he has now, decided alerts can be corroborated by ANECDOTAL witness statements... How scientific is that and what gives him the right to say that... On what evidence had he made this statement
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It's puzzling why Keela, the blood dog, was ever taken to Jersey when the investigation was looking for bodies or body parts.
No it's not.
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I couldn’t look at it any closer than the forensic team did who concluded it was a bit of cocnut shell.
Cite required - Test results proving it was coconut. Thanks.
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Were none of Gerry’s clothes included? If not why not? How were the clothing items selected? Based on what logic?
Maybe all his clothes were not there. Remember he went back to England in May.
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IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.
Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.
unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts
Cite required.
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Cite required.
No it isn't.. It's opinion
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No it isn't.. It's opinion
I’m glad you admit the following you wrote is just your own opinion:
unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts