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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 04, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
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Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.
The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.
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Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.
The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.
Why would lay prosecution witnesses in the UK know about these crimes when those down under appear oblivious?
I would also point out that those making the claims gained by JB's conviction. RB gained by seeing his children gain financially from the Bamber estate. Susan Battersby gained by the authorities dropping charges against her for cheque fraud and assisting a drug dealer.
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Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.
The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.
You’re making assumptions it was a rumour started by Robert Boutflour.
Jeremy had to leave NZ in a hurry, after reports of a break-in at a jewellers. He took the next flight out to Asia, and Nevill had to send him money in a hurry...
When JB returned he gave his ex-girlfriend a Cartier watch — in fact, she chose it out of a few he showed her. She has that stated.
Jeremy was a KNOWN drug dealer; he bought it in Amsterdam and also grew it.
As for the diamonds and a man being killed, there are indeed unsolved murders in New Zealand, so whilst it can’t be proven Jeremy was the murderer, given that he’s a convicted mass murderer THAT rumour is a possibility...
You need to stop making derogatory inflammatory accusations about the extended Bamber family. They lost members of their family, so they’re victims too.
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Why would lay prosecution witnesses in the UK know about these crimes when those down under appear oblivious?
I would also point out that those making the claims gained by JB's conviction. RB gained by seeing his children gain financially from the Bamber estate. Susan Battersby gained by the authorities dropping charges against her for cheque fraud and assisting a drug dealer.
Furthermore, and this is an assumption of mine, I doubt you know Australia or New Zealand well — though I may be wrong.
However, I do. I’ve been there many times and have relatives living there. I also know that there are unsolved crimes in both countries, so before you state statistics, you need to get your facts right rather than casting aspersions on innocent victims of this heinous crime he committed.
Susan Battersby had NOTHING to gain by reporting him to the police; she had NO idea if she’d be prosecuted for the ONE instant of cheque fraud she committed , and which she owned up to and paid back to the bank. Jeremy should have been charged for that too — he received stolen goods from Julie knowing full well how she’d bought them.
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Furthermore, and this is an assumption of mine, I doubt you know Australia or New Zealand well — though I may be wrong.
However, I do. I’ve been there many times and have relatives living there. I also know that there are unsolved crimes in both countries, so before you state statistics, you need to get your facts right rather than casting aspersions on innocent victims of this heinous crime he committed.
Susan Battersby had NOTHING to gain by reporting him to the police; she had NO idea if she’d be prosecuted for the ONE instant of cheque fraud she committed , and which she owned up to and paid back to the bank. Jeremy should have been charged for that too — he received stolen goods from Julie knowing full well how she’d bought them.
There are also many unsolved crimes in this country too!
It has been claimed by UK residents that when JB visited Antipodes he was involved in murder, armed robbery and heroin dealing, stealing diamonds from the rings of individuals and yet not a word from an Oz/NZ police officer, lay witness or media report by way of a newspaper article.
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There are also many unsolved crimes in this country too!
It has been claimed by UK residents that when JB visited Antipodes he was involved in murder, armed robbery and heroin dealing, stealing diamonds from the rings of individuals and yet not a word from an Oz/NZ police officer, lay witness or media report by way of a newspaper article.
I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.
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I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.
Quite.
He couldn’t even pay for a cheap economy ticket to fly back home....sounds like he was skint.
And before anyone says “but he had expensive Cartier watches on him, including diamonds (which hasn’t been substantiated) thieves can’t sell stolen goods quickly — it’s far too risky. They have to keep them undercover for as long as possible.
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Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.
The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.
It would seem some keep digging as JB tries to dig himself out of a hole. He just isn't a nice character-indeed it fits with his capability in the way he murdered his family- adoptive- he may have used that idea of a victim less crime?
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Quite.
He couldn’t even pay for a cheap economy ticket to fly back home....sounds like he was skint.
And before anyone says “but he had expensive Cartier watches on him, including diamonds (which hasn’t been substantiated) thieves can’t sell stolen goods quickly — it’s far too risky. They have to keep them undercover for as long as possible.
Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied. (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.
Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.
Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.
Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.
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Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied. (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.
Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.
Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.
Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.
There always seems that the braggart is never far away. So Jeremy claims to have the ability to not only tell diamonds from white topaz/sapphires/quartz but he is also capable of bending claws to remove the real stones and replace them with replicas. Wonder how long it took, and where he learned to do that?
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There always seems that the braggart is never far away. So Jeremy claims to have the ability to not only tell diamonds from white topaz/sapphires/quartz but he is also capable of bending claws to remove the real stones and replace them with replicas. Wonder how long it took, and where he learned to do that?
Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)
The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.
It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.
He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....
Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...
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Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)
The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.
It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.
He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....
Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...
But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?
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Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied. (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.
Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.
Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.
Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.
The traveller cheque scam was widespread amongst lowly crooks in the 1980s.
They’d cash the cheques, usually in a hotel, and then report them stolen.
It was a massive con played out by hundreds of lowlife crooks, as they knew they’d always get replacement traveller cheques. So they were literally doubling their money.
It was easy to do back then, as CCTV barely existed, nor did the WWW.
But travellers cheques were lowly crooks biggest scam as it was so easy to do, and they were never caught.
That’s all stopped now, of course, but it was huge back then.
Seems Jeremy had his fingers in lots of pies...
It was almost amusing how he told one police officer as he sat with them outside WHF, that he was a “simple type” and wasn’t interested in money. He said: “A small 2-bed house, runaround car, and enough money to buy myself a few drinks each weekend is all I need”.
Ha! He who relished Champagne, designer suits, Porsche sports cars, trips to exotic locations, London apartments, expensive furniture, latest gadgets, dining in expensive restaurants...alleged he only wanted the lifestyle of, say, a caretaker on a minimum wage, driving a dull, little car, living in a dull little 2up 2down house in a nondescript village in Essex, doing a boring nondescript job, then having a few cheap beers each weekend.
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But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?
April, all crooks used to do was take a ring to a dodgy jeweller they knew, who’d swap the diamond in the ring and replace it with a zirconia. It was rife back then. Obviously, they’d have been introduced to the dodgy jeweller by an equally disgusting lowlife, and simply split the proceeds with the jeweller.
So, say for example, the diamond was worth £1k, the jeweller would replace it with a zirconia worth about £20, and they’d do a deal.
The poor unsuspecting owner who only wanted their ring professionally cleaned/valued/redesigned would be presented with a sparkling ring that looked identical to the naked eye, but was completely worthless. It was a HUGE scam, and even goes on today, albeit extremely rarely. In fact, I read about such a case not so long ago where a woman took her ring to be resized and cleaned, and later discovered the diamond had been been replaced with another stone (it wasn’t a zirconia) but was equally worthless.
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April, all crooks used to do was take a ring to a dodgy jeweller they knew, who’d swap the diamond in the ring and replace it with a zirconia. It was rife back then. Obviously, they’d have been introduced to the dodgy jeweller by an equally disgusting lowlife, and simply split the proceeds with the jeweller.
So, say for example, the diamond was worth £1k, the jeweller would replace it with a zirconia worth about £20, and they’d do a deal.
The poor unsuspecting owner who only wanted their ring professionally cleaned/valued/redesigned would be presented with a sparkling ring that looked identical to the naked eye, but was completely worthless. It was a HUGE scam, and even goes on today, albeit extremely rarely. In fact, I read about such a case not so long ago where a woman took her ring to be resized and cleaned, and later discovered the diamond had been been replaced with another stone (it wasn’t a zirconia) but was equally worthless.
Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.
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Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.
I almost feel guilty now as i bought a cubic zirconia ring for my then fiancee back in the early 1980s lol,
it did look expensive as there were lots of zirconia, obviously it was relatively cheap.
My friends a jeweller, perhaps i could intice some information on how to tell the difference
with diamonds
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Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.
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But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?
Sounds like Jeremy bullshitting to me - he would have to get the correct size etc.
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Sounds like Jeremy bullshitting to me - he would have to get the correct size etc.
Sure. I think it was a good scam for those with a modicum of gemstone knowledge. I think Jeremy could have been more conned than conning. Diamonds aren't just diamonds, and he'd need to know rather more than C is the third letter of the alphabet.
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I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.
Assuming he did have two 'Cartier' watches in his possession we have no idea whether they were the real McCoy or fakes.
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Sure. I think it was a good scam for those with a modicum of gemstone knowledge. I think Jeremy could have been more conned than conning. Diamonds aren't just diamonds, and he'd need to know rather more than C is the third letter of the alphabet.
Sounds like the kind of thing he would say - international jewel thief @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Assuming he did have two 'Cartier' watches in his possession we have no idea whether they were the real McCoy or fakes.
With the story of the theft, there is more reason to believe they were genuine. By his own admission, he's at least a thief.
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Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)
The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.
It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.
He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....
Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...
Evidenced by?
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Evidenced by?
Him suddenly fleeing.
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With the story of the theft, there is more reason to believe they were genuine. By his own admission, he's at least a thief.
He admitted to breaking in to OCP and stealing a few hundred pounds from the family firm. Has he admitted to any other crimes?
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Him suddenly fleeing.
He said it was his due date to depart. What evidence exists that he fled?
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He admitted to breaking in to OCP and stealing a few hundred pounds from the family firm. Has he admitted to any other crimes?
Why would he admit to something he didn't need to admit to and it was more than a few hundred pounds!
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Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.
I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.
I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.
They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly. Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.
I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.
Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤
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He said it was his due date to depart. What evidence exists that he fled?
The evidence comes from what others have said - Bamber in this instance, is not a reliable witness because he has reason to lie, also this on the Cartier watches;
"His interview resumed around one o’clock. After questioning his behaviour at the funeral in Tolleshunt D’Arcy, which Jeremy attributed to ‘manic depression’, DCI Jones moved on to the Cartier watches brought back from Australia, asking whether they were stolen.4 ‘Stealing’s the wrong word,’ Jeremy replied. ‘Was there an incident in Australia involving some Cartier watches you want to tell me about?’ ‘No comment.’"
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 297-298). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
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I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.
I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.
They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly. Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.
I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.
Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤
Those I've seen have been as close to D Flawless as makes no difference. Why bother to create a substandard fake when you want to pass them off as the real thing. In fact, I wear both, and no one can tell the difference just by looking at them. However, unlike Jeremy, it's been a lifelong hobby that I've spent much time on. Not something I do to cheat or make a fast buck.
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Sounds like Jeremy bullshitting to me - he would have to get the correct size etc.
I agree, I think he’d like to have been seen as drug baron or diamond smuggler
Far better than shaking Happy Hour cocktails in Sloppy Joes...
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I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.
I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.
They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly. Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.
I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.
Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤
Cannabis can be grown naturally like any other plant. Heat speeds up the process, that's all.
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I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.
I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.
They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly. Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.
I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.
Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤
I dunno, I've got a 6th sense for these things and I'm detecting slight nuances of disdain for Jeremy from you......
Seriously though, where is all this information about him smuggling fake diamonds without his knowledge and selling substandard cannabis?
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I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.
I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.
They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly. Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.
I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.
Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤
The sunbed he offered Ann a turn on is claimed to have been bought for the purpose of propagating cannabis.
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I dunno, I've got a 6th sense for these things and I'm detecting slight nuances of disdain for Jeremy from you......
Seriously though, where is all this information about him smuggling fake diamonds without his knowledge and selling substandard cannabis?
The local villages seem to have been a hotbed of gossip.
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The local villages seem to have been a hotbed of gossip.
It was ever thus in small communities.
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The local villages seem to have been a hotbed of gossip.
It would have worked though.
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The sunbed he offered Ann a turn on is claimed to have been bought for the purpose of propagating cannabis.
How did he plug it in, in the middle of a field?
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Sounds like the kind of thing he would say - international jewel thief @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
& the ‘international jurist’
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3187.msg583634#msg583634
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How did he plug it in, in the middle of a field?
That would have attracted a bit of attention. @)(++(*
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The sunbed he offered Ann a turn on is claimed to have been bought for the purpose of propagating cannabis.
Did Bamber claim this?
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How did he plug it in, in the middle of a field?
Why would you need a sunbed if you were growing cannabis in a field?
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He admitted to breaking in to OCP and stealing a few hundred pounds from the family firm. Has he admitted to any other crimes?
Holly, you’re doing it again...playing things down
Jeremy Bamber didn’t break in and STEAL “a few hundred pounds” — he stole almost £1,000. Please get your facts right.
£1000 was a lot of money back then, possibly about £3,000 now.
You’re trying to make it look like it was a minor THEFT when it certainly wasn’t.
He planned it too...it was premeditated, just like the murders he carried out. He broke in that night because he KNEW how much money was inside that day. He’s a sly, snooping, cheating thief.
Immediately after the murders he was always snooping and listening to people’s conversations as he stooped earwigging by the door, especially when witnesses were speaking to the police. Why would he do that, I wonder? Most grief-stricken sons would be curled up in a heap lost in a world of unimaginable pain: they wouldn’t be secretly listening to private conversations, all alert and taking in every word they said.
He was always a snooper, it’s transpired.
He snooped at both June and Nevill’s wills.
He studied the house contents insurance policy — why would he do that, eh?
He counted how much cash Nevill had in his wallet on the night he murdered them.
He snooped through Sheila’s belongings, photographs...and tried to sell them for £20k
And that’s just the things that have come to light: you can guarantee he snooped at everything he could lay his hands on. He was a thief of the lowest order, and I bet he was always stealing the odd £20 out of June’s purse...in fact, I suspect he made her religious mania and mental breakdown worse because she possibly thought she was going mad when she noticed money missing (which I suspect she did!) and couldn’t remember exactly how much she’d had in her purse. He helped push her over the edge in more ways than one. He’s so evil and cunning, he possibly caused her grief by telling lies about Sheila; exaggerating things; and making June feel sick with worry. He probably tried to cause grief between them with his wooden spoon for years. It’s very telling that Sheila seemed wary of him and wanted to avoid him that last year....he probably made her feel she was going mad too.
That’s what psychopaths do.
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Cannabis can be grown naturally like any other plant. Heat speeds up the process, that's all.
Marijuana grows wild in tropical climates, including Temperate climates too, as well as the Mediterranean, so although they can grow in fields in the UK, I believe they need heat to grow well. Lots of heart. Some years ago a large house near me was discovered to be a cannabis factory. The Asian tenants who’d rented the house, which had a huge loft, were growing so much that helicopters discovered them by heat imaging cameras. It uses lots of electricity and heat to make it grow, so although you could probably grow it in your garden or a field, I doubt you’d have a good harvest.
Here’s one who got caught last year...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49650918
JB was obviously growing it somewhere...maybe in some secret barn where he was possibly stealing electricity too...
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And that’s just the things that have come to light: you can guarantee he snooped at everything he could lay his hands on. He was a thief of the lowest order, and I bet he was always stealing the odd £20 out of June’s purse...in fact, I suspect he made her religious mania and mental breakdown worse because she possibly thought she was going mad when she noticed money missing (which I suspect she did!) and couldn’t remember exactly how much she’d had in her purse. He helped push her over the edge in more ways than one. He’s so evil and cunning, he possibly caused her grief by telling lies about Sheila; exaggerating things; and making June feel sick with worry. He probably tried to cause grief between them with his wooden spoon for years. It’s very telling that Sheila seemed wary of him and wanted to avoid him that last year....he probably made her feel she was going mad too.
That’s what psychopaths do.
Wasn’t there a story about baby rats?
‘Gaslighting is a manipulative tactic that can be described in different variations of three words: “That didn’t happen,” “You imagined it,” and “Are you crazy?” Gaslighting is perhaps one of the most insidious manipulative tactics out there because it works to distort and erode your sense of reality; it eats away at your ability to trust yourself and inevitably disables you from feeling justified in calling out abuse and mistreatment.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2016/06/20-diversion-tactics-highly-manipulative-narcissists-sociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-to-silence-you/
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Marijuana grows wild in tropical climates, including Temperate climates too, as well as the Mediterranean, so although they can grow in fields in the UK, I believe they need heat to grow well. Lots of heart. Some years ago a large house near me was discovered to be a cannabis factory. The Asian tenants who’d rented the house, which had a huge loft, were growing so much that helicopters discovered them by heat imaging cameras. It uses lots of electricity and heat to make it grow, so although you could probably grow it in your garden or a field, I doubt you’d have a good harvest.
Here’s one who got caught last year...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49650918
JB was obviously growing it somewhere...maybe in some secret barn where he was possibly stealing electricity too...
It has been suggested that it's what he bought the sunbed for.
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It has been suggested that it's what he bought the sunbed for.
Sunbeds were the in thing then, my dad used to make them and it was the family business for a while. I remember getter load of pocket money and being spoilt rotten - AH - those were the days!! 8((()*/
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Marijuana grows wild in tropical climates, including Temperate climates too, as well as the Mediterranean, so although they can grow in fields in the UK, I believe they need heat to grow well. Lots of heart. Some years ago a large house near me was discovered to be a cannabis factory. The Asian tenants who’d rented the house, which had a huge loft, were growing so much that helicopters discovered them by heat imaging cameras. It uses lots of electricity and heat to make it grow, so although you could probably grow it in your garden or a field, I doubt you’d have a good harvest.
Here’s one who got caught last year...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49650918
JB was obviously growing it somewhere...maybe in some secret barn where he was possibly stealing electricity too...
According to JM he grew it in his back garden at Gold hanger but interestingly he wasn't asked a single question about cannabis during his police interviews.
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According to JM he grew it in his back garden at Gold hanger but interestingly he wasn't asked a single question about cannabis during his police interviews.
Why would they be interested in a bit of weed when he was a suspect in the murder of 5 human beings?
It's like asking one of the brinks lot why he decided to steal a tin of peas from the local Spar! @)(++(*
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Why would they be interested in a bit of weed when he was a suspect in the murder of 5 human beings?
It's like asking one of the brinks lot why he decided to steal a tin of peas from the local Spar! @)(++(*
Why would they be interested in the OCP break-in and not the cannabis?
Why did the police threaten MM with charges over cannabis? Why did they grill him about his girlfriend's use and then take her into custody overnight and search her property?
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Why would they be interested in the OCP break-in and not the cannabis?
Why did the police threaten MM with charges over cannabis? Why did they grill him about his girlfriend's use and then take her into custody overnight and search her property?
Why would they need to threaten Jeremy with charges over cannabis? What would be the point? Perhaps they could add six months to his 25 years (at the time) tariff and the thought of that might make him confess? To put this in perspective, in the early 90's someone I know was done for dealing cannabis, they were selling to friends from their flat - as a first offence, they got fined £70.00 each and did some community service. I doubt if they were asked to make up some crap about someone they knew which would send them to prison for life or they would be charged with dealing and have to pay a fine - they would choose the former - would you?
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Why would they be interested in the OCP break-in and not the cannabis?
Why did the police threaten MM with charges over cannabis? Why did they grill him about his girlfriend's use and then take her into custody overnight and search her property?
The OCP burglary Jeremy did directly affected June and the family.
Jeremy’s illegal side business ig growing and supplying cannabis did not affect his family, so of course the police couldn’t be bothered with going down that road too, especially as they knew his illegal activities would have come to an end