UK Justice Forum 🇬🇧
Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on May 02, 2020, 12:53:26 PM
-
Here is an interesting question which has come up on another thread. We could extend this question to people like Trudy Benjamin too whose presence at June and Nevill's graveside making a video can only be seen as being in very bad taste.
If your aunt, uncle or sister were murdered in such a manner, would you want these gouls at their graveside?
-
Here is an interesting question which has come up on another thread. We could extend this question to people like Trudy Benjamin too whose presence at June and Nevill's graveside making a video can only be seen as being in very bad taste.
If your aunt, uncle or sister were murdered in such a manner, would you want these gouls at their graveside?
No. It's as disrespectful as it is macabre, but it's probably legal, alas.
-
Here is an interesting question which has come up on another thread. We could extend this question to people like Trudy Benjamin too whose presence at June and Nevill's graveside making a video can only be seen as being in very bad taste.
If your aunt, uncle or sister were murdered in such a manner, would you want these gouls at their graveside?
I wouldn't. I'm not certain, though, that there's an answer. A friend has a corner of her garden as a "Memorial Garden" to her late husband. Such might be a possibility for the family if they were concerned. One can only pray that such a despicable act was a one off.
-
I wouldn't. I'm not certain, though, that there's an answer. A friend has a corner of her garden as a "Memorial Garden" to her late husband. Such might be a possibility for the family if they were concerned. One can only pray that such a despicable act was a one off.
They don't view it that way which is worrying.
-
Here is an interesting question which has come up on another thread. We could extend this question to people like Trudy Benjamin too whose presence at June and Nevill's graveside making a video can only be seen as being in very bad taste.
If your aunt, uncle or sister were murdered in such a manner, would you want these gouls at their graveside?
No, but there's nothing you could do to stop them descending. It's like those people who booked holidays to PdL specifically because of their fascination with Madeleine McCann and who went to ogle all the "sights" like the apartment she disappeared from.
-
They don't view it that way which is worrying.
The problem is, as the General said, it's not illegal. The only way to stop it would be to have them re-interred at WHF, but there could be a problem with that. It MAY require Jeremy's permission
-
The problem is, as the General said, it's not illegal. The only way to stop it would be to have them re-interred at WHF, but there could be a problem with that. It MAY require Jeremy's permission
It's not a matter of legality, it's more about morality. I don't think they should be stopped, they should have enough moral fibre to know that the act was not only disrespectful, but morally bankrupt.
-
The problem is, as the General said, it's not illegal. The only way to stop it would be to have them re-interred at WHF, but there could be a problem with that. It MAY require Jeremy's permission
I doubt very much if JB has any say in where his murdered adoptive parents lie. I think Ann and David are their representatives now.
-
It's not a matter of legality, it's more about morality. I don't think they should be stopped, they should have enough moral fibre to know that the act was not only disrespectful, but morally bankrupt.
Then I guess we must rely upon their better nature. Mmmm?
-
I doubt very much if JB has any say in where his murdered adoptive parents lie. I think Ann and David are their representatives now.
That's comforting to know.
-
According to the CT, it is them and not the family that tend the graves but even if that is so, it was in very poor taste.
The answer to the topic Should Jeremy Bamber be allowed to cause distress to relatives of the deceased? is, of course not, but he will continue to try through his constant smear campaigns against Sheila, the integrity and honesty of the relatives that got the farm and Colin Caffell, who must never be allowed to grieve quietly when he has the temerity to think Bamber is guilty of murdering his sons.
What a wretched man Bamber really is.
-
Jeremy may do mostly as he pleases in an attempt to clear his name.
-
Jeremy may do mostly as he pleases in an attempt to clear his name.
Some things in this world are beyond possible Eli. @)(++(*
-
They must take the view any publicity is good publicity!
Totally misguided and completely inappropriate imo. The graveside reading followed hot on the heels off 'Bakeoff' which was criticised by Rosie Dixon, CEO of After Murder and Manslaughter charity:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-33521825
As RD said fair enough if they want to campaign but don't do it this way.
-
No, but there's nothing you could do to stop them descending. It's like those people who booked holidays to PdL specifically because of their fascination with Madeleine McCann and who went to ogle all the "sights" like the apartment she disappeared from.
A few years back we drove up to WHF and the various sites: seawall, JB's cottage and had Sunday lunch in JB's local pub 8(8-))
They're all in my neck of the woods.
-
A few years back we drove up to WHF and the various sites: seawall, JB's cottage and had Sunday lunch in JB's local pub 8(8-))
They're all in my neck of the woods.
A veritable Ghouls Tour. Mind you, I once visited Nick Drake's grave in a little village in The Black Country. Does that make me a ghoul or just a fan paying my respects?
-
A few years back we drove up to WHF and the various sites: seawall, JB's cottage and had Sunday lunch in JB's local pub 8(8-))
They're all in my neck of the woods.
The last time I was there, one of the waitresses told me that there had once been "Jeremy Bamber" coach trips which invaded the village, stopping at all the sites 'of interest'. I guess The Chequers did very well out of it.
-
A veritable Ghouls Tour. Mind you, I once visited Nick Drake's grave in a little village in The Black Country. Does that make me a ghoul or just a fan paying my respects?
Nick Drake was a wonderful genius. Jeremy Bamber shot two little boys while they slept at their Nanny and Grandad's.
-
No, but there's nothing you could do to stop them descending. It's like those people who booked holidays to PdL specifically because of their fascination with Madeleine McCann and who went to ogle all the "sights" like the apartment she disappeared from.
Good grief!!
Did people actually DO that?!
I’ve never followed the MM case, though obviously know about it... but my word, how sick is that?!
-
Here is an interesting question which has come up on another thread. We could extend this question to people like Trudy Benjamin too whose presence at June and Nevill's graveside making a video can only be seen as being in very bad taste.
If your aunt, uncle or sister were murdered in such a manner, would you want these gouls at their graveside?
I’ve lost loved ones in tragic circumstances, and if ANY ghoul, especially the supporter of the person who caused their death came anywhere NEAR my loved ones graves, I’d make sure they’d never set foot there again!
It makes my blood boil!
-
Good grief!!
Did people actually DO that?!
I’ve never followed the MM case, though obviously know about it... but my word, how sick is that?!
One of our very own forum members who lives there will happily take you on a tour of “Maddieville” as he calls it. I don’t think he charges for his services.
-
The problem is, as the General said, it's not illegal. The only way to stop it would be to have them re-interred at WHF, but there could be a problem with that. It MAY require Jeremy's permission
It’s got F*** all to do with HIM!
He lost rights to EVERYTHING when he murdered them!
-
Then I guess we must rely upon their better nature. Mmmm?
They don’t have a better nature, April.. Mmmmm?
-
That's comforting to know.
-
According to the CT, it is them and not the family that tend the graves but even if that is so, it was in very poor taste.
The answer to the topic Should Jeremy Bamber be allowed to cause distress to relatives of the deceased? is, of course not, but he will continue to try through his constant smear campaigns against Sheila, the integrity and honesty of the relatives that got the farm and Colin Caffell, who must never be allowed to grieve quietly when he has the temerity to think Bamber is guilty of murdering his sons.
What a wretched man Bamber really is.
Hear hear, CC
And that goes to those wretched supporters of his who pretend they’re seeking justice for Sheila, when they know they’re not
They’re as sick as him
-
Jeremy may do mostly as he pleases in an attempt to clear his name.
. How can he clear his name when he’s guilty?
-
They must take the view any publicity is good publicity!
Totally misguided and completely inappropriate imo. The graveside reading followed hot on the heels off 'Bakeoff' which was criticised by Rosie Dixon, CEO of After Murder and Manslaughter charity:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-33521825
As RD said fair enough if they want to campaign but don't do it this way.
It’s obvious he and they don’t care what they do as long as they get him publicity, but all they’re doing is showing how evil he and they are,
So I’m afraid, in this case, “any publicity is NOT good publicity”
They’re simply highlighting what a sick a psychopath he is
-
A few years back we drove up to WHF and the various sites: seawall, JB's cottage and had Sunday lunch in JB's local pub 8(8-))
They're all in my neck of the woods.
Did you meet any other ghouls or weird obsessives?
-
The last time I was there, one of the waitresses told me that there had once been "Jeremy Bamber" coach trips which invaded the village, stopping at all the sites 'of interest'. I guess The Chequers did very well out of it.
Don’t belive that for a minute, April
The waitress must have been taking the pee...
-
Don’t belive that for a minute, April
The waitress must have been taking the pee...
Why do you believe I shouldn't Spy?
-
One of our very own forum members who lives there will happily take you on a tour of “Maddieville” as he calls it. I don’t think he charges for his services.
Oh, this is SICK!
The more I see on this forum the more shocked I am that there’s such weird, sick, twisted ghouls!
-
You’re seriously obsessed, Holly, and you don’t realise it
Seriously, you need to see your GP and ask to be referred to a therapist. Your obsession is gangerously unhealthy and has taken over your life.
To want to pet at the house a mass murdered once occupied, then have lunch in his ex local pub shows you wanted to feel close to him. Did your husband, Pete the lawyer, enjoy it too?
I frequently have lunch at the Chequers. Why on earth shouldn't one eat in one's local hostelry? I'm still wondering why you think the waitress shouldn't be believed?
-
One of our very own forum members who lives there will happily take you on a tour of “Maddieville” as he calls it. I don’t think he charges for his services.
Who is that person?
-
Why do you believe I shouldn't Spy?
I am not disbelieving you — I believe the waitress was joking.
You must have told her you’d come up to visit the same pub he used to go to 35 years agi, and she probably humoured you and said they had coach-loads of people dong mass murderer Bamber tours.
He’s been in prison almost half a century and is unknown to everyone under about 50! He wasn’t famous, he was just a psycho, so why would coach-loads of ghouls want to see where a nobody used to drink? OK, a nobody who shot dead all his family? It’s hardly a day out!
-
According to the CT, it is them and not the family that tend the graves but even if that is so, it was in very poor taste.
The answer to the topic Should Jeremy Bamber be allowed to cause distress to relatives of the deceased? is, of course not, but he will continue to try through his constant smear campaigns against Sheila, the integrity and honesty of the relatives that got the farm and Colin Caffell, who must never be allowed to grieve quietly when he has the temerity to think Bamber is guilty of murdering his sons.
What a wretched man Bamber really is.
If Jeremy is innocent (and I'm not saying he is, but it is what HE is saying),then he is entitled, IMO, to stand up for himself, whoever might be upset by it.
As for Colin (for whom I , personally, have a lot of respect), he did decide, of his own free will, to help in the making of the recent TV series, and to give an interview on TV. Jeremy didn't make him do that.
-
If Jeremy is innocent (and I'm not saying he is, but it is what HE is saying),then he is entitled, IMO, to stand up for himself, whoever might be upset by it.
As for Colin (for whom I , personally, have a lot of respect), he did decide, of his own free will, to help in the making of the recent TV series, and to give an interview on TV. Jeremy didn't make him do that.
If Jeremy hadn't killed his children, he wouldn't have been in that position so yes, he did make him do it.
-
One of our very own forum members who lives there will happily take you on a tour of “Maddieville” as he calls it. I don’t think he charges for his services.
Maddieville? First I've heard of it.
-
Maddieville? First I've heard of it.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10699.msg526703#msg526703
-
Maddieville? First I've heard of it.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6543.msg266898#msg266898
-
I am not disbelieving you — I believe the waitress was joking.
You must have told her you’d come up to visit the same pub he used to go to 35 years agi, and she probably humoured you and said they had coach-loads of people dong mass murderer Bamber tours.
He’s been in prison almost half a century and is unknown to everyone under about 50! He wasn’t famous, he was just a psycho, so why would coach-loads of ghouls want to see where a nobody used to drink? OK, a nobody who shot dead all his family? It’s hardly a day out!
I think you have the wrong end of the stick. The pub is almost withing walking distance from me -albeit a fairly long walk- it's had an excellent reputation for food for as long as I can remember. On one particular occasion I asked the waitress if the was still any interest in the case. Her answer was "A bit, but not like it was". Of COURSE there are no longer 'coachloads' of visitors!! although undoubtedly, there had been several at the time interest was high -probably as a detour and part of a longer trip. I find condescending the suggestion that she was humouring me.
-
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10699.msg526703#msg526703
Who said it first? Looks like you did.
-
Who said it first? Looks like you did.
I most certainly did not.
-
Who said it first? Looks like you did.
I look forward to an apology from you for your slur against me
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghoulish-madeleine-mccann-tour-takes-8959174
-
Why do you believe I shouldn't Spy?
I just can’t imagine coach loads of people wanting to see where that evil creature once lived and ate?
He’s not a film star — he’s a repugnant lump of crap.
-
I frequently have lunch at the Chequers. Why on earth shouldn't one eat in one's local hostelry? I'm still wondering why you think the waitress shouldn't be believed?
I never said you shouldn’t eat there if it’s your local, April
I just find it astonishing that people would want to gawp at where an evil mass murderer once plonked his ar*e and stuffed his face with food. There’s some very damaged warped people about, obviously
-
They go for their renowned seafood platter, not Bamber Burgers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0)
-
I think you have the wrong end of the stick. The pub is almost withing walking distance from me -albeit a fairly long walk- it's had an excellent reputation for food for as long as I can remember. On one particular occasion I asked the waitress if the was still any interest in the case. Her answer was "A bit, but not like it was". Of COURSE there are no longer 'coachloads' of visitors!! although undoubtedly, there had been several at the time interest was high -probably as a detour and part of a longer trip. I find condescending the suggestion that she was humouring me.
It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise
I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially
I’m sorry
-
If Jeremy hadn't killed his children, he wouldn't have been in that position so yes, he did make him do it.
You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.
Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it. It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.
Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.
-
They go for their renowned seafood platter, not Bamber Burgers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0)
Thanks for that, Myster. I'll be hearing those seven x two, repetitious notes all day long @)(++(*
-
It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise
I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially
I’m sorry
It warms the heart to see posters admit when they’re wrong and have the balls to apologise.
-
It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise
I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially
I’m sorry
Thank-you, Spy. 'Pology accepted ?{)(**
-
Thank-you, Spy. 'Pology accepted ?{)(**
Thank you, too 😊
-
If Jeremy is innocent (and I'm not saying he is, but it is what HE is saying),then he is entitled, IMO, to stand up for himself, whoever might be upset by it.
As for Colin (for whom I , personally, have a lot of respect), he did decide, of his own free will, to help in the making of the recent TV series, and to give an interview on TV. Jeremy didn't make him do that.
If he was innocent, he would have no need to resort to peddling lies, twisting facts and conspiracy fantasies but I agree with your wider point about his right to freedom of speech. It's how he uses it that reflects on him badly.
He is the puppet master of the CT and you only have to look at their tactics: the constant lie that the jury were never told the proper facts about the inheritance and the lie that RBs blood group match with Sheila wasn't known by his legal team with the inference being that the family must have fabricated the silencer because they were greedy - which is proof enough for his followers, despite the fact that JBs admitted greed can never be any kind of proof that JB was the murderer.
Likewise, JMs damning evidence cannot be disproved so she has to be tainted by the NOTW money and her criminality, again proof enough for some.
I could go on but you get the jist.
-
You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.
Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it. It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.
Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.
Perhaps he is sick of seeing Bamber have all his say. He must be sick to death of hearing him play victim - if I was him, I'd have been a LOT more verbal and good on him for saying his piece, he has more right than anyone.
-
You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.
Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it. It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.
Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.
Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.
He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.
As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.
Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.
-
Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.
He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.
As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.
Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.
Do you have a link to the letters?
-
Another distressing case here
‘Mother-of-two is shot dead at £610,000 historic farmhouse she shared with her gun-dealer husband while working from home during lockdown as police arrest man, 51, for murder’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282639/Man-51-arrested-suspicion-murder-woman-40s-shot-dead-inside-Suffolk-house.html
‘Silke Hartshorne-Jones a solicitor leaves behind her 8-year-old twin sons’
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/04/gun-dealers-wife-shot-dead-17th-century-farmhouse-12649813/amp/#click=https://t.co/pdmyCwkR2I
-
Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.
He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.
As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.
Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.
What’s your take on Bamber’s sadistic letters to CC Holly?
-
Do you have a link to the letters?
They are reproduced in Colins book. The first letter is dated 16 August 1988
"DEAR COLIN
I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.
THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..
IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "
SCRUBS PRISON,WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989
DEAR COLIN,
SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU,COLIN,WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO-EH,-WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON,MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."
GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOU'RE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT,COLIN,ONCE,BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEECH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF,IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL f..k THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE w..b..
YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE. YOUR [SIC] NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR [SIC] FEEDING OFF.
WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS
JEREMY
-
Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.
He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.
As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.
Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.
I have never said that Colin should not have spoken out. I was just somewhat surprised that he did, after so many years.
-
They are reproduced in Colins book.
"DEAR COLIN
I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.
THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..
IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "
SCRUBS PRISON,WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989
DEAR COLIN,
SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU,COLIN,WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO-EH,-WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON,MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."
GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOU'RE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT,COLIN,ONCE,BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEECH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF,IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL f..k THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE w..b..
YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE. YOUR [SIC] NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR [SIC] FEEDING OFF.
WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS
JEREMY
What year did Bamber write these sadistic letters? Were they both sent in 1989 - the year before his relationship with Aunt Agatha?
-
They are reproduced in Colins book.
"DEAR COLIN
I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.
THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..
IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "
Will we ever find out if Bamber was the ‘close friend’ who contacted Kieron Saunders at the Sun the day after the murders? Or did he speak to the media on the 7th Aug?
-
They are reproduced in Colins book.
"DEAR COLIN
I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.
THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..
IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "
Because Bamber’s never going to tell
-
DEAR COLIN,
SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL.
*&^^&
Can only imagine what he said about Aunt Agatha to others
-
They are reproduced in Colins book.
"DEAR COLIN
I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.
THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..
IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "
SCRUBS PRISON,WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989
DEAR COLIN,
SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU,COLIN,WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO-EH,-WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON,MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."
GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOU'RE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT,COLIN,ONCE,BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEECH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF,IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL f..k THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE w..b..
YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE. YOUR [SIC] NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR [SIC] FEEDING OFF.
WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS
JEREMY
Thank you for posting those, CS
There’s actually far worse than those ones in Colin’s original book. Jeremy slyly taunted Colin about losing his boys under the guise of pretending he sympathised...I don’t have the book to hand, but shall post them up when I get the book back.
He makes subtle, sadistic comments to twist the knife in. He’s absolutely evil.
It’s also worth noting how he hardly ever, ever mentions the twins in his sickening blogs...and we all know why that is. He doesn’t want to remind people of their deaths.
-
I have never said that Colin should not have spoken out. I was just somewhat surprised that he did, after so many years.
I think you’ll find, MrsWah, that normal people never forget such a thing...
How could Colin possibly forget what happened to his two adorable who he cherished? Time stands still in such cases, and had Colin wanted to he could have spoken to the media many times but chose not to: he has dignity.
He simply decided that as the programme was going ahead he wanted it to be factual rather than fictionalised.
-
Thank you for posting those, CS
There’s actually far worse than those ones in Colin’s original book. Jeremy slyly taunted Colin about losing his boys under the guise of pretending he sympathised...I don’t have the book to hand, but shall post them up when I get the book back.
He makes subtle, sadistic comments to twist the knife in. He’s absolutely evil.
It’s also worth noting how he hardly ever, ever mentions the twins in his sickening blogs...and we all know why that is. He doesn’t want to remind people of their deaths.
AFAIK the letters are taken verbatim from the earlier editions of CCs book which I have never read. I copied and pasted them from the blue forum where there was some debate about the letters being edited for the reprint.
Long thread here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7101.1665.html
BTW Nicholas, the first letter is dated 16 August 1988 which I will edit into the post. It would seem JB had a long time to brood about Colin's lack of reply and how to respond.
-
AFAIK the letters are taken verbatim from the earlier editions of CCs book which I have never read. I copied and pasted them from the blue forum where there was some debate about the letters being edited for the reprint.
Long thread here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7101.1665.html
BTW Nicholas, the first letter is dated 16 August 1988 which I will edit into the post. It would seem JB had a long time to brood about Colin's lack of reply and how to respond.
8((()*/
No mention of his sisters alleged ‘suicide’ which we know didn’t happen
Copies of these letters will - by now at least - no doubt be resting in Bamber’s prison files
Maybe one of his supporters could ask Bamber if Prof Egan ever saw them and took them into consideration during his ‘assessment’ - I doubt he did
-
Thank you for posting those, CS
There’s actually far worse than those ones in Colin’s original book. Jeremy slyly taunted Colin about losing his boys under the guise of pretending he sympathised...I don’t have the book to hand, but shall post them up when I get the book back.
He makes subtle, sadistic comments to twist the knife in. He’s absolutely evil.
It’s also worth noting how he hardly ever, ever mentions the twins in his sickening blogs...and we all know why that is. He doesn’t want to remind people of their deaths.
Bamber sent CC more letters ?
-
What a disgusting rant in that second letter. How can ANYONE support that s..mbag?
-
Thank you for posting those, CS
There’s actually far worse than those ones in Colin’s original book. Jeremy slyly taunted Colin about losing his boys under the guise of pretending he sympathised...I don’t have the book to hand, but shall post them up when I get the book back.
He makes subtle, sadistic comments to twist the knife in. He’s absolutely evil.
It’s also worth noting how he hardly ever, ever mentions the twins in his sickening blogs...and we all know why that is. He doesn’t want to remind people of their deaths.
Those are the only two letters in Colin's book Spy.
-
Will we ever find out if Bamber was the ‘close friend’ who contacted Kieron Saunders at the Sun the day after the murders? Or did he speak to the media on the 7th Aug?
The CT website states:
‘There is no question that the presentation of Sheila Caffell in the media was upsetting for all of the remaining relatives.[5] This was also harmful to the community of Toleshunt D’arcy more generally, and Jeremy and his family fell in to the category of ‘gossip’ and National Newspapers escalated rumors about connections between Sheila and drugs. Her relationship with alleged drug dealer Farhad Emami was regurgitated and used negatively, instead of positively, by showing how he had tried to support her financially and helped her during previous psychotic episodes.[6] Emami had left for Iran before the trial, but was contacted by police who noted in a memo that he would not return, and that if he testified it would be for the Defence and not the prosecution.[7] He was never called as a witness at the trial.
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/victim-support/support-at-the-scene/family-home-is-a-crime-ccene/media-intrusion
Who was the ‘close friend’ who started the rumours of SC and ‘heroin/methadone’ via Kieron Saunders at the Sun?
Was it Bamber ?
-
The CT website states:
‘There is no question that the presentation of Sheila Caffell in the media was upsetting for all of the remaining relatives.[5] This was also harmful to the community of Toleshunt D’arcy more generally, and Jeremy and his family fell in to the category of ‘gossip’ and National Newspapers escalated rumors about connections between Sheila and drugs. Her relationship with alleged drug dealer Farhad Emami was regurgitated and used negatively, instead of positively, by showing how he had tried to support her financially and helped her during previous psychotic episodes.[6] Emami had left for Iran before the trial, but was contacted by police who noted in a memo that he would not return, and that if he testified it would be for the Defence and not the prosecution.[7] He was never called as a witness at the trial.
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/victim-support/support-at-the-scene/family-home-is-a-crime-ccene/media-intrusion
Who was the ‘close friend’ who started the rumours of SC and ‘heroin/methadone’ via Kieron Saunders at the Sun?
Was it Bamber ?
There’s absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that Sheila ever took Heroin.
Had she, then it would have shown in her appearance, actions, behaviour...her doctors and psychiatrist would’ve known, including the pathologist who would have found track marke sphere she’d been injecting herself.
I agree with you, this vile rumour must have been started by Jeremy. It’s always the ones who are guilty themselves of something (remember him trying to buy $5,000 of Heroin in NZ to sell on) who make spurious claims that other people are doing exactly what they themselves are involved in.
He even told the police when outside WHF that Sheila was a psychopath, which was a lie. It’s strange for a young man of 24 who works on a farm and in a pizza parlour to know such psychiatric terms. It would be interesting to know more about his teenage history...maybe he was diagnosed with a PD years previously and the Bamber’s didn’t understand the seriousness of the condition. It seems odd, given how troublesome and cruel he was, that they didn’t send him to be evaluated privately just as they did Sheila, and June herself when she had breakdowns...
I think more digging would open a huge can of worms,
-
Those are the only two letters in Colin's book Spy.
I’m sure you’re right, Caroline — you know more than I do.
Bit I have read reams and reams of material, and because at first I had no intention of participating on here I have nothing in order. I am certain I read more letters from JB to Colin, and maybe I’ve mixed up the source. I did read a letter, though, similar to to those two but which was far more cruel. Until I go through everything I can’t back my claim up, but shall endeavour to so ASAP.
-
There’s absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that Sheila ever took Heroin.
Had she, then it would have shown in her appearance, actions, behaviour...her doctors and psychiatrist would’ve known, including the pathologist who would have found track marke sphere she’d been injecting herself.
I agree with you, this vile rumour must have been started by Jeremy. It’s always the ones who are guilty themselves of something (remember him trying to buy $5,000 of Heroin in NZ to sell on) who make spurious claims that other people are doing exactly what they themselves are involved in.
He even told the police when outside WHF that Sheila was a psychopath, which was a lie. It’s strange for a young man of 24 who works on a farm and in a pizza parlour to know such psychiatric terms. It would be interesting to know more about his teenage history...maybe he was diagnosed with a PD years previously and the Bamber’s didn’t understand the seriousness of the condition. It seems odd, given how troublesome and cruel he was, that they didn’t send him to be evaluated privately just as they did Sheila, and June herself when she had breakdowns...
I think more digging would open a huge can of worms,
Jere,y told AE that Sheila was 'on the hard stuff'.
-
Jere,y told AE that Sheila was 'on the hard stuff'.
So he “inferred” Sheila was....
Typical psycho trait.
He’s vile.
-
I’m sure you’re right, Caroline — you know more than I do.
Bit I have read reams and reams of material, and because at first I had no intention of participating on here I have nothing in order. I am certain I read more letters from JB to Colin, and maybe I’ve mixed up the source. I did read a letter, though, similar to to those two but which was far more cruel. Until I go through everything I can’t back my claim up, but shall endeavour to so ASAP.
It some ways this case suffers from there being far too much material to dive into but it seems reasonable to assume that if JB was prepared to send such vile letters to CC, he has probably written far worse behind his back.
-
It some ways this case suffers from there being far too much material to dive into but it seems reasonable to assume that if JB was prepared to send such vile letters to CC, he has probably written far worse behind his back.
He wrote a pretty nasty letter about Colin to me. No reason for it - Colin is the only real victim!
-
He wrote a pretty nasty letter about Colin to me. No reason for it - Colin is the only real victim!
I rest my case your honour. 8((()*/
-
He wrote a pretty nasty letter about Colin to me. No reason for it - Colin is the only real victim!
Actually, I get the impression, from reading Colin's book, that he doesn't want to be thought of as a victim. He has done a wonderful job of getting his life back together.
-
Actually, I get the impression, from reading Colin's book, that he doesn't want to be thought of as a victim. He has done a wonderful job of getting his life back together.
As someone who suffered such loss, he is the only real victim in that sense.
-
He wrote a pretty nasty letter about Colin to me. No reason for it - Colin is the only real victim!
Yes, I remember you mentioning that previously, Caroline
I know you’d rather not repeat what JB said as this is a public forum, but did he just start ranting out of the blue?
And why does he have this strange hatred towards Colin, I wonder? Colin was always so nice to him too! He actually sympathised with him at the beginning. Do you think it’s fury that Colin eventually saw through Jeremy and so he couldn’t control/use him anymore? Or is it some kind of misplaced jealousy? I know it would seem abnormal to think anyone could be jealous of a man who’d lost both his children to a violent death, but Jeremy doesn’t have empathy, so wouldn’t realise what pain Colin suffered.