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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Aunt Agatha on May 05, 2020, 12:54:26 PM
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Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher knew about an alleged paedophile ring among the Conservative Party in the 1980s, according to the Sunday Mirror.
Ex-Tory activist Anthony Gilberthorpe told the newspaper he was asked to supply cabinet ministers with underage boys for illicit sex parties.
Mr Gilberthorpe claims he handed Thatcher the names of those involved 31 years ago but no action was taken into alleged child sex abuse involving MPs and wider institutions such as the NHS, Secret Service, the Church and the BBC.
Neville Bamber was a wealthy landowner and farmer. His status within both the community and further afield would have without doubt brought him into contact with individuals within a similar class status and beyond Essex.
Prior to the killings at WHF it is recorded that Neville received a phone call, a call that worried him, possibly frightened him.
What was that phone call about?
Was it a threat?
Was Neville the target and killed because he held knowledge that could bring some people in high authority down?
Such things are not unheard of.
Please, watch the whole video, I’ll be back in a few hours and hopefully we can discuss this in a manner without personal attacks etc. I am here only to debate this theory and will ignore questions outside of this subject.
I look forward to your help.
https://youtu.be/PnZiDxkwgrU
Sónia Poulton. Writer, journalist, broadcaster. http://www.soniapoulton.co.uk/
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Just to be clear no one is accusing NB of being a paedophile. The OP is asking if he had knowledge of such.
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I do not believe in third party theories but I would like to know who NB was referring to when he took a phone call in the presence of chartered surveyor, George Nicholls, and referred to the caller(s) as "Those two are a nasty piece of work".
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The question is why would he,saying that load's knew about Saville apparently.
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Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher knew about an alleged paedophile ring among the Conservative Party in the 1980s, according to the Sunday Mirror.
Ex-Tory activist Anthony Gilberthorpe told the newspaper he was asked to supply cabinet ministers with underage boys for illicit sex parties.
Mr Gilberthorpe claims he handed Thatcher the names of those involved 31 years ago but no action was taken into alleged child sex abuse involving MPs and wider institutions such as the NHS, Secret Service, the Church and the BBC.
Neville Bamber was a wealthy landowner and farmer. His status within both the community and further afield would have without doubt brought him into contact with individuals within a similar class status and beyond Essex.
Prior to the killings at WHF it is recorded that Neville received a phone call, a call that worried him, possibly frightened him.
What was that phone call about?
Was it a threat?
Was Neville the target and killed because he held knowledge that could bring some people in high authority down?
Such things are not unheard of.
Please, watch the whole video, I’ll be back in a few hours and hopefully we can discuss this in a manner without personal attacks etc. I am here only to debate this theory and will ignore questions outside of this subject.
I look forward to your help.
https://youtu.be/PnZiDxkwgrU
Sónia Poulton. Writer, journalist, broadcaster. http://www.soniapoulton.co.uk/
AA - the two things are unrelated but while there are paedo's in all walks of life, the guy who made the paedophilic ring allegation was found out to be a fraud. There is no evidence that Nevill was ever in the FM's so your theory falls at that juncture.
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I make a point of never believing a word Sonia Poulton says.
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I make a point of never believing a word Sonia Poulton says.
The video is also 2 years old. I didn't watch it all but the allegations about a paedophile was found be be rubbish anyway. I am sure there will be some just as there are in the rest pf society.
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The video is also 2 years old. I didn't watch it all but the allegations about a paedophile was found be be rubbish anyway. I am sure there will be some just as there are in the rest pf society.
Have we not just watched The Trial of Carl Beech who was sentenced to 18 years for False Testimony and in which Tom Watson was involved because he believed Carl Beech and supported his lies.
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I make a point of never believing a word Sonia Poulton says.
Numerous blogs by ‘troll exposure’ here https://trollexposure.wordpress.com/?s=Sonia+poulton
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That video is a horrible joke and I'm not even half way through it yet.
Esther Baker was proved to be a fantasist and a liar.
Someone should do something about Sonia Poulton, although she has disappeared off the radar of late, probably because she was discredited.
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Sónia Poultons work and investigations have been shared worldwide.
As the video continues Sónia goes into great depth about cover ups, how officers are restricted from bringing any allegations against those in public office or profile.
Dismiss the Freemasonary connection, it is irrelevant based on the info contained in here.
It was widely known that some people in the establishment had a taste and a thirst for the perverse.
If one is not prepared to look at our history and what was happening during the period of the WHF murders, then this cannot be a debate.
It does not matter when this was made as we are specifically focussing (in this debate) on the establishment and the cover up of the 80’s.
This video and it’s factual research plainly gives an alternative perspective on the murders, which I would like to peruse.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
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Sónia Poultons work and investigations have been shared worldwide.
As the video continues Sónia goes into great depth about cover ups, how officers are restricted from bringing any allegations against those in public office or profile.
Dismiss the Freemasonary connection, it is irrelevant based on the info contained in here.
It was widely known that some people in the establishment had a taste and a thirst for the perverse.
If one is not prepared to look at our history and what was happening during the period of the WHF murders, then this cannot be a debate.
It does not matter when this was made as we are specifically focussing (in this debate) on the establishment and the cover up of the 80’s.
This video and it’s factual research plainly gives an alternative perspective on the murders, which I would like to peruse.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
This video is largely Libellous, especially as most of Sonia's allegations and innuendo have since been proved to have no foundation.
One victim accused Sir Edward Heath of raping him on a double bed on Morning Cloud. Morning Cloud was a Racing Yacht, it had No Beds.
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Numerous blogs by ‘troll exposure’ here https://trollexposure.wordpress.com/?s=Sonia+poulton
This gives More credence to her reporting.
Thos who are outing the truth have to be discredited.
Society cannot handle the truth.
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That video is a horrible joke and I'm not even half way through it yet.
Esther Baker was proved to be a fantasist and a liar.
Someone should do something about Sonia Poulton, although she has disappeared off the radar of late, probably because she was discredited.
Sonia Poulton is in the spotlight regularly... Just not mainstream.
During pizza Gate and the FBI collusion reporters in USA would seek information from her for them to understand pizza Gate further.
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Is it not just as likely that the Russians killied Nevill who was probably a double agent during he Cold War? He lived through it after all, and had guns.
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This gives More credence to her reporting.
Did you read the blogs ?
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During pizza Gate
‘Pizza gate’ is a debunked conspiracy theory
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Society cannot handle the truth.
Maybe it’s you who ‘cannot handle the truth’ ?
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Thank you in advance for remaining polite.
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I think this is very distasteful and while it doesn’t overtly accuse Nevill of being a paedophile it does imply his part in a high level cover up, and therefore in criminal activity which brought about his own and his family’s downfall, all I might add without a shred of evidence. Will this victim blaming never cease?
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Have we not just watched The Trial of Carl Beech who was sentenced to 18 years for False Testimony and in which Tom Watson was involved because he believed Carl Beech and supported his lies.
Exactly!
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Have we not just watched The Trial of Carl Beech who was sentenced to 18 years for False Testimony and in which Tom Watson was involved because he believed Carl Beech and supported his lies.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/)
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Sonia Poulton is in the spotlight regularly... Just not mainstream.
During pizza Gate and the FBI collusion reporters in USA would seek information from her for them to understand pizza Gate further.
Kinell Aunti Agg, Pizzagate? That's as whacky as conspiracies get.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/)
I apologise in advance if this may be offensive to some, but I am still waiting to see some definitive proof that Jimmy Savile was a Paedophile.
A very large proportion of accusations have in fact been discredited.
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What the hell is Pizza Gate?
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Just to be clear no one is accusing NB of being a paedophile. The OP is asking if he had knowledge of such.
Not just of that. It could have been fraud, homosexuality, a death..
I have no idea yet what is is/was.
Question is: could he have been the recipient of something illegal/criminal and was he killed as a result?
If that is so, taking into account the phone call he received, then my theory would/could fit into some of the unusual events that night.
All I ask is debate with an open mind.
I have no idea what happened inside the house..that’s where your expertise lies.
I believe a lot of evidence including the silencer is just smoke and mirrors. A mere distraction.
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The question is why would he,saying that load's knew about Saville apparently.
Saville was not exposed at the time.
Interestingly, people had complained about some of his disgusting behaviour however they where ridiculed and silenced allowing Saville to continue with his perverted deeds.
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AA - the two things are unrelated but while there are paedo's in all walks of life, the guy who made the paedophilic ring allegation was found out to be a fraud. There is no evidence that Nevill was ever in the FM's so your theory falls at that juncture.
Caroline, it’s not so much WHAT exactly Neville knew, or how he attained it, we will never be able to prove that on here without an investigative researcher.
Neville was in a position to mix with, or know personally a few within the establishment. Again I have no proof. However, it would be more likely than unlikely that he would have contacts within high places.
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I make a point of never believing a word Sonia Poulton says.
Then that is your prerogative!
It doesn’t matter who the messenger is....there are an assortment of journalists and researchers who have come to very similar conclusions. Sónia just happens to be one.
Forget the source...it’s the lifestyle and activities of the stablishment in the early 80’s that I’m solely focusing on. Also, the cover ups and how it was implemented. They all follow a similar pattern.
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This video is largely Libellous, especially as most of Sonia's allegations and innuendo have since been proved to have no foundation.
One victim accused Sir Edward Heath of raping him on a double bed on Morning Cloud. Morning Cloud was a Racing Yacht, it had No Beds.
Maybe....but she has never been sued! Never brought to court or arrested. Why? Because there’s a slight possibility it could be true which would open a huge can of worms.
‘. Never complain - never explain!’. Betty Mountbatten.
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Is it not just as likely that the Russians killied Nevill who was probably a double agent during he Cold War? He lived through it after all, and had guns.
I have no idea about any Russian connections but as crazy as these things seem...the more likely there’s some substance in all this.
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‘Pizza gate’ is a debunked conspiracy theory
Of course it is! Just like everything else is...😂😂😂
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I think this is very distasteful and while it doesn’t overtly accuse Nevill of being a paedophile it does imply his part in a high level cover up, and therefore in criminal activity which brought about his own and his family’s downfall, all I might add without a shred of evidence. Will this victim blaming never cease?
It certainly does not!
He would only be a threat to those actively involved in criminal behaviour. They would fear exposure byNeville and I have found NOTHING at all to suggest Neville was involved in anything I am suggesting.
In fact, it gives more credence to my theory that June was religious. Neville remained by her side, he never strayed. MAYBE they were both aware of outside evil forces and between them they did everything they could to protect their children and grandchildren from whatever lay before them in life.
I believe they were exceptionally good parents, doing the best for their children.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/nick-accused-sir-edward-heath-abusing-aboard-sailing-yacht/)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/22/nick-trial-carl-beech-found-guilty-making-westminster-vip-paedophile/)
I do not know for sure if Nick was ever telling the truth. What I will state is that Nick is not alone in portrayal of the PM, how the PM used certain items during his abuse on children. This has come from people who do not know each other and when questioned were found to have similar experiences at the hands of this man.
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Kinell Aunti Agg, Pizzagate? That's as whacky as conspiracies get.
And that’s the power of the media....to MAKE YOU BELIEVE these are just conspiracies.
If you dig deeper, you will find the death count rising amongst the whistleblowers.
These people have paid with their lives. Even police officers who have done their uttermost to expose these criminal gangs.
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Libel and unproven accusations levelled at anyone alive or dead will be Deleted.
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I do not know for sure if Nick was ever telling the truth. What I will state is that Nick is not alone in portrayal of the PM, how the PM used certain items during his abuse on children. This has come from people who do not know each other and when questioned were found to have similar experiences at the hands of this man.
I think we can safely say that Carl Beech is a liar and fantasist...
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/BEECH-Sentencing-Remarks-26.7.19-003.pdf (https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/BEECH-Sentencing-Remarks-26.7.19-003.pdf)
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What the hell is Pizza Gate?
You have a lot to learn.
Wikileaks made a drop which included Hilary Clinton’s emails. Amongst this lot was classified information and information regarding child trafficking and abuse.
Clinton stated she had given all her emails to the FBI, however that was a lie. These emails where found amongst files on the computer, the computer os Hilarys right hand secretary’s husband.....with the heading ‘life insurance’.
In this file where thousands of messages between the elites discussing sexual activity, abuse and trafficking of children and far far worse.
Two young healthy officers, who viewed the emails and supposed horrific videos of the establishment doing the evilest things to very young children, died under suspicious circumstances. They both supposedly committed suicide..
The world awaits the arrest of the Clintons, the Podesta brothers and crimes against humanity. This is a massive ongoing case that is followed regularly throughout the world.
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You can't libel the dead.Moron please note.
MPs rule that you still can’t libel the dead
https://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/mps-rule-that-you-still-cant-libel-the-dead/
Also see Yevgeniy Yakovlevich Dzhugashvili v Russia (App No 41123/10).
ECHR ruling.
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You can't libel the dead.Moron please note.
MPs rule that you still can’t libel the dead
https://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/mps-rule-that-you-still-cant-libel-the-dead/
Also see Yevgeniy Yakovlevich Dzhugashvili v Russia (App No 41123/10).
ECHR ruling.
That won't stop me deleting untruths.
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Caroline, it’s not so much WHAT exactly Neville knew, or how he attained it, we will never be able to prove that on here without an investigative researcher.
Neville was in a position to mix with, or know personally a few within the establishment. Again I have no proof. However, it would be more likely than unlikely that he would have contacts within high places.
So are a lot of people AA and many with greater opportunity than Nevill. The fact remains that there is no evidence that he was a FM and lots to support Jeremy killing them all.
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You have a lot to learn.
Wikileaks made a drop which included Hilary Clinton’s emails. Amongst this lot was classified information and information regarding child trafficking and abuse.
Clinton stated she had given all her emails to the FBI, however that was a lie. These emails where found amongst files on the computer, the computer os Hilarys right hand secretary’s husband.....with the heading ‘life insurance’.
In this file where thousands of messages between the elites discussing sexual activity, abuse and trafficking of children and far far worse.
Two young healthy officers, who viewed the emails and supposed horrific videos of the establishment doing the evilest things to very young children, died under suspicious circumstances. They both supposedly committed suicide..
The world awaits the arrest of the Clintons, the Podesta brothers and crimes against humanity. This is a massive ongoing case that is followed regularly throughout the world.
Thanks for educating me, so this is all absolutely true is it?
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You have a lot to learn.
Wikileaks made a drop which included Hilary Clinton’s emails. Amongst this lot was classified information and information regarding child trafficking and abuse.
Clinton stated she had given all her emails to the FBI, however that was a lie. These emails where found amongst files on the computer, the computer os Hilarys right hand secretary’s husband.....with the heading ‘life insurance’.
In this file where thousands of messages between the elites discussing sexual activity, abuse and trafficking of children and far far worse.
Two young healthy officers, who viewed the emails and supposed horrific videos of the establishment doing the evilest things to very young children, died under suspicious circumstances. They both supposedly committed suicide..
The world awaits the arrest of the Clintons, the Podesta brothers and crimes against humanity. This is a massive ongoing case that is followed regularly throughout the world.
Seriously AA - this is just fake news. Are you actually saying you believe that Hillary Clinton was sexually abusing children in satanic rituals?
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So are a lot of people AA and many with greater opportunity than Nevill. The fact remains that there is no evidence that he was a FM and lots to support Jeremy killing them all.
Is there a conspiracy theory worth its salt anywhere that doesn’t involve the Freemasons? Even Madeleine McCann’s dad was supposed to have done away with her as part of some masonic ritual, if you choose to believe some of the nuttier folk on t’internet.
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Is there a conspiracy theory worth its salt anywhere that doesn’t involve the Freemasons? Even Madeleine McCann’s dad was supposed to have done away with her as part of some masonic ritual, if you choose to believe some of the nuttier folk on t’internet.
I am surprised anyone dare join these days @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I think we can safely say that Carl Beech is a liar and fantasist...
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/BEECH-Sentencing-Remarks-26.7.19-003.pdf (https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/BEECH-Sentencing-Remarks-26.7.19-003.pdf)
Can we? Why? Because the bbc says so?
Maybe CB was a scapegoat. He was made an example of.
To anybody else who dares to expose abuse within the establishment, this will be your ending too.
You will be discredited, called untrustworthy, a liar and a fantasist. In addition, you will spend the rest of your days in prison!
That’s the real message that was given out as a result of his complaints.
There is a pattern that runss all the way through these things....similar to Sónia Poulton, John Wedger, David Icke etc.
Deliberately done in order that you never believe a thing that any of them expose.
This is precisely where people are starting to WAKE UP! They’re turning off the tel-lie-vision and doing their own researching, continually asking questions and debating the propaganda emitted by these media whores.
It’s a bit like the Matrix....
Is it better to free your mind? Or live in blissful ignorance?
https://youtu.be/zE7PKRjrid4
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David Icke has been banging about this nonsense for years.
Why haven't the elite paedophiles bumped him off?
Why pick on little old Nevill and why murder his entire family with an elaborate plot to frame Jeremy for the crime?
Why not just arrange an accident for Nevill?
Why not just let Sheila take the blame?
Can you show a case anywhere in the world where organised satanic abuse has been proven and isn't just in the wild imagination of fantasists or children being prompted to tell tall tales, ie: Shieldfield, The Orkneys, The McMartin preschool case, Jersey care homes, Carl Beech, Sabine McNeill and the Hampstead hoax, the more ridiculous lurid tales about Jimmy Savile.. Any actual cases at all or is it all a big cover up?
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That won't stop me deleting untruths.
Untruths upon whose judgement? Yours?
Then where is the debate?
You do not have a monopoly on truth. Your truth and my truth can be debated...
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Can we? Why? Because the bbc says so?
Maybe CB was a scapegoat. He was made an example of.
To anybody else who dares to expose abuse within the establishment, this will be your ending too.
You will be discredited, called untrustworthy, a liar and a fantasist. In addition, you will spend the rest of your days in prison!
That’s the real message that was given out as a result of his complaints.
There is a pattern that runss all the way through these things....similar to Sónia Poulton, John Wedger, David Icke etc.
Deliberately done in order that you never believe a thing that any of them expose.
This is precisely where people are starting to WAKE UP! They’re turning off the tel-lie-vision and doing their own researching, continually asking questions and debating the propaganda emitted by these media whores.
It’s a bit like the Matrix....
Is it better to free your mind? Or live in blissful ignorance?
https://youtu.be/zE7PKRjrid4
AA - David Icke believes the royal family are actually lizard people so no wonder no one would take him seriously. Social media and the like has enabled people to post any old tosh in the hope that it gets promoted so they can feel just a little more important.
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So are a lot of people AA and many with greater opportunity than Nevill. The fact remains that there is no evidence that he was a FM and lots to support Jeremy killing them all.
You cannot I feel, rule something out when you have no proof of what he did or didn't know.
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Untruths upon whose judgement? Yours?
Then where is the debate?
You do not have a monopoly on truth. Your truth and my truth can be debated...
Have a care and then it won't be necessary.
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You cannot I feel, rule something out when you have no proof of what he did or didn't know.
I just can't understand how you came to this theory in the first place? How it formulated in you mind? Out of the many theories I could form around this case, the freemasons would be somewhere near the bottom of the pile.
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Thanks for educating me, so this is all absolutely true is it?
We will find out only when it comes to court. This is what the people of the USA are talking and shouting about. Cleaning the swamp.
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Seriously AA - this is just fake news. Are you actually saying you believe that Hillary Clinton was sexually abusing children in satanic rituals?
I believe she is involved upto her neck in corrupt and illegal practises.
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David Icke has been banging about this nonsense for years.
Why haven't the elite paedophiles bumped him off?
Why pick on little old Nevill and why murder his entire family with an elaborate plot to frame Jeremy for the crime?
Why not just arrange an accident for Nevill?
Why not just let Sheila take the blame?
Can you show a case anywhere in the world where organised satanic abuse has been proven and isn't just in the wild imagination of fantasists or children being prompted to tell tall tales, ie: Shieldfield, The Orkneys, The McMartin preschool case, Jersey care homes, Carl Beech, Sabine McNeill and the Hampstead hoax, the more ridiculous lurid tales about Jimmy Savile.. Any actual cases at all or is it all a big cover up?
We are being diverted here.
My only question was, based on the video, would it be possible that Neville COULD have been in receipt to have knowledge of another persons illegal activities. It could be fraud...anything.
The question only requires a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’.
I haven’t even began to lay out my theory at all and discuss what I’d like to discuss and debate.
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AA - David Icke believes the royal family are actually lizard people so no wonder no one would take him seriously. Social media and the like has enabled people to post any old tosh in the hope that it gets promoted so they can feel just a little more important.
A lot of what he has spoken about over the years has come true. Loads of it is being played out this very moment...it’s right there now....but many cannot see it...and some can.
I don’t follow the lizard theory your right. Maybe that’ll take another 50 yrs to surface.
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It certainly does not!
He would only be a threat to those actively involved in criminal behaviour. They would fear exposure byNeville and I have found NOTHING at all to suggest Neville was involved in anything I am suggesting.
In fact, it gives more credence to my theory that June was religious. Neville remained by her side, he never strayed. MAYBE they were both aware of outside evil forces and between them they did everything they could to protect their children and grandchildren from whatever lay before them in life.
I believe they were exceptionally good parents, doing the best for their children.
If they had evidence of paedophilia amongst the high-ups and told nobody then they are guilty of collusion and cover up.
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We are being diverted here.
My only question was, based on the video, would it be possible that Neville COULD have been in receipt to have knowledge of another persons illegal activities. It could be fraud...anything.
The question only requires a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’.
I haven’t even began to lay out my theory at all and discuss what I’d like to discuss and debate.
Lots of things could have happened, like a mafia hit job, the Russians, Mossad, a burglary gone wrong, Nevill did it himself and staged it to look like he was murdered, likewise June, Prince Philip, you name it, anyone at all rather than the person to whom all the evidence points of course.
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I believe she is involved upto her neck in corrupt and illegal practises.
She's a politician - they generally are but that's a little different to what she is being accused of.
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AA - David Icke believes the royal family are actually lizard people so no wonder no one would take him seriously. Social media and the like has enabled people to post any old tosh in the hope that it gets promoted so they can feel just a little more important.
But Caroline you have to remember Icke was an 11 plus failure, a crap goalie, and now thinks he's the Son of the Godhead (no relation to Holly, of course).
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We are being diverted here.
My only question was, based on the video, would it be possible that Neville COULD have been in receipt to have knowledge of another persons illegal activities. It could be fraud...anything.
The question only requires a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’.
I haven’t even began to lay out my theory at all and discuss what I’d like to discuss and debate.
No.
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But Caroline you have to remember Icke was an 11 plus failure, a crap goalie, and now thinks he's the Son of the Godhead (no relation to Holly, of course).
He's just a very naughty boy! @)(++(*
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A lot of what he has spoken about over the years has come true. Loads of it is being played out this very moment...it’s right there now....but many cannot see it...and some can.
I don’t follow the lizard theory your right. Maybe that’ll take another 50 yrs to surface.
The same might be said of the predictions of Nostradamus..............with hindsight.
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Ok....please, please please, if you’re going to do anything tonight, I ask that you watch this documentary.
It came out about 1mth ago, it’s had over 50 million views. Yes, 50 MILLION worldwide.
It’s been translated into many languages and it’s opening the eyes of many people.
I’m going off for the night now...I’m going to watch the video again and I’ll be back tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/0wTiCxXgrJw
Conspiracy? I don’t think so.
Look forward to discussing this tomorrow.
Night all. Xx
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We are being diverted here.
My only question was, based on the video, would it be possible that Neville COULD have been in receipt to have knowledge of another persons illegal activities. It could be fraud...anything.
The question only requires a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’.
I haven’t even began to lay out my theory at all and discuss what I’d like to discuss and debate.
I'm sorry, so are you talking about elite networks that reach to the very top of society or some more mundane local wrongdoing that Nevill might have known of?
Both are possible in theory but not even remotely very likely and there is not a shred of evidence for supposing it.
Nevill could have simply been the victim of a hit and run on the way home from the pub one night.
I'm sorry, you seem to be on the wrong track.
PS: That video is 2 hours long, I could watch an oscar winning piece of fiction in that time. Youtube records just under 4 million views, I guess the other 46 million views must be on a more popular platform.
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I'm sorry, so are you talking about elite networks that reach to the very top of society or some more mundane local wrongdoing that Nevill might have known of?
Both are possible in theory but not even remotely very likely and there is not a shred of evidence for supposing it.
Nevill could have simply been the victim of a hit and run on the way home from the pub one night.
I'm sorry, you seem to be on the wrong track.
PS: That video is 2 hours long, I could watch an oscar winning piece of fiction in that time. Youtube records just under 4 million views, I guess the other 46 million views must be on a more popular platform.
Please watch the video I’ve just posted, recently.
It explains pizza gate, project mockingbird....mind control etc.
Hopefully it will plant a seed but you must see I through to the end.
Thank you.
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Ok....please, please please, if you’re going to do anything tonight, I ask that you watch this documentary.
It came out about 1mth ago, it’s had over 50 million views. Yes, 50 MILLION worldwide.
It’s been translated into many languages and it’s opening the eyes of many people.
I’m going off for the night now...I’m going to watch the video again and I’ll be back tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/0wTiCxXgrJw
Conspiracy? I don’t think so.
Look forward to discussing this tomorrow.
Night all. Xx
Just over 9 minutes in and it's starting to sound loopy but I will persevere.
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I have to watch this. I don't actually have a choice. Think on this if you think being a Moderator is fun.
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I have to watch this. I don't actually have a choice. Think on this if you think being a Moderator is fun.
It's a SLOG.
But basically.......a very hot stuntman breaks his back and goes a bit mental.
The End.
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It's a SLOG.
But basically.......a very hot stuntman breaks his back and goes a bit mental.
The End.
Great. Thanks a bunch.
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I'm sorry, so are you talking about elite networks that reach to the very top of society or some more mundane local wrongdoing that Nevill might have known of?
Both are possible in theory but not even remotely very likely and there is not a shred of evidence for supposing it.
Nevill could have simply been the victim of a hit and run on the way home from the pub one night.
I'm sorry, you seem to be on the wrong track.
PS: That video is 2 hours long, I could watch an oscar winning piece of fiction in that time. Youtube records just under 4 million views, I guess the other 46 million views must be on a more popular platform.
It's gone viral in many languages. What's uploaded on YouTube is free. On the site you can purchase also with additional info.
Film isn't 2hrs, it's about 1.30 but jeez, you'll certainly walk away from it having gleaned a good insight into a small part of the matrix.
It's well worth sitting through it, even let it play in tge background whilst your ironing or cooking. That's what I do.
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Just over 9 minutes in and it's starting to sound loopy but I will persevere.
Thank you Caroline. 🙏
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I have to watch this. I don't actually have a choice. Think on this if you think being a Moderator is fun.
I love you really Eleanor.
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It's a SLOG.
But basically.......a very hot stuntman breaks his back and goes a bit mental.
The End.
Pls, stick with it. Please 🙏
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Pls, stick with it. Please 🙏
Aggy, I could watch it again, I could break it down, I could take notes......but I doubt if it would make a scrap of difference to you. Just a few minutes in, the physio woman who fixes his pelvis doesn't tell anyone what she knows? Really?
*&^^&
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Just over 9 minutes in and it's starting to sound loopy but I will persevere.
It is interesting and the pizza code email sounding convincing, however, leaping from that to suggesting that everyone who knew Epstein and visited his Island must be a paedo, that the elite all belong to satanic cults and take part in cannibalism - is just a step too far.
The triangle symbol may be used by paedo's but it is a pretty simple shape and it's not surprising that the same shape is used by others, they don't have to be paedo's - look at the images in this link, the woman in the video would no doubt suggest that they portray paedophillia and satanism. Do they or do you just see what you want to see - has she brainwashed herself into seeing paedo's around every corner?
https://fineartamerica.com/shop/canvas+prints/triangle+symbolism
There is no doubt governments try to control and manipulate - few would argue with that but most of the stuff referring to the CIA comes from the Cold War era when everyone was trying to manipulate everyone else. Paedo's exists, of course they do, but I don't believe it's an elite club straight out of Rosemary's Baby.
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It's a SLOG.
But basically.......a very hot stuntman breaks his back and goes a bit mental.
The End.
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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OK, OK, I understand.
It's similar to a book, you need an introduction then later in the movie comes the reveal and how it's done.
I've been researching these things for many years and until I can get your attention away from the mainstream narrative it will be difficult for me to introduce a new theory that would not be ridiculed.
If you want to go and just listen to liz crokin at the end, she's brilliant. Go for it.
Catch you soon.
Thank you Pug x
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It is interesting and the pizza code email sounding convincing, however, leaping from that to suggesting that everyone who knew Epstein and visited his Island must be a paedo, that the elite all belong to satanic cults and take part in cannibalism - is just a step too far.
The triangle symbol may be used by paedo's but it is a pretty simple shape and it's not surprising that the same shape is used by others, they don't have to be paedo's - look at the images in this link, the woman in the video would no doubt suggest that they portray paedophillia and satanism. Do they or do you just see what you want to see - has she brainwashed herself into seeing paedo's around every corner?
https://fineartamerica.com/shop/canvas+prints/triangle+symbolism
There is no doubt governments try to control and manipulate - few would argue with that but most of the stuff referring to the CIA comes from the Cold War era when everyone was trying to manipulate everyone else. Paedo's exists, of course they do, but I don't believe it's an elite club straight out of Rosemary's Baby.
Fair comments... I'm with you all the way.
This is a massive step one takes and to believe it is very difficult because it is 'quite unbelieveable'. But it's true.
Not everyone is involved in this, that's not suggested, but many are and it's the likes of the MSM who have been told to suffocate the story, denounce such claims, only have people on the show who will say what we want them to say.
Then we have the Bamber case. Imagine if this case was not what we are being told. It's the media's job to slate Jeremy at every opportunity, that's part of the plan I want to discuss.
The jourors had to be convinced this man commuted the crime. A young good looking man, well educated, well spoken and charming... Jeez, no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty, so, they had to demonize him.
He was greedy.. A playboy. A thief. A drug user. A womaniser. A liar. A psychopath. He was grandiose, lazy, evil, he even tried selling naked photos of his sister.
And then, he even phoned his girlfriend to say this was the night that he was planning on killing his entire family. On top of that, he laughed at the funeral, he even went on holiday... This man never cared about anybody... He is evil to the core!
What if that information is distorted, and its not the whole truth? Would you guys on here believe it? No, you wouldn't.
But the movie shows how we are manipulated. How if I pull up a video of Sonia Poulton you will immediately slap her down and slander her.... Because that's what they want you to do.
I think you get the just of it here.
All I'm asking is, please, have an open mind and let's try and debate this.
I do not want to convince you he's innocent. I don't - I promise.
What I want is for you to tell me, with an open mind, where I am wrong.
I will begin my theory tomorrow. All I ask is you walk with me. Don't attack me, please.
Thanks you 🙏
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Fair comments... I'm with you all the way.
This is a massive step one takes and to believe it is very difficult because it is 'quite unbelieveable'. But it's true.
Not everyone is involved in this, that's not suggested, but many are and it's the likes of the MSM who have been told to suffocate the story, denounce such claims, only have people on the show who will say what we want them to say.
Then we have the Bamber case. Imagine if this case was not what we are being told. It's the media's job to slate Jeremy at every opportunity, that's part of the plan I want to discuss.
The jourors had to be convinced this man commuted the crime. A young good looking man, well educated, well spoken and charming... Jeez, no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty, so, they had to demonize him.
He was greedy.. A playboy. A thief. A drug user. A womaniser. A liar. A psychopath. He was grandiose, lazy, evil, he even tried selling naked photos of his sister.
And then, he even phoned his girlfriend to say this was the night that he was planning on killing his entire family. On top of that, he laughed at the funeral, he even went on holiday... This man never cared about anybody... He is evil to the core!
What if that information is distorted, and its not the whole truth? Would you guys on here believe it? No, you wouldn't.
But the movie shows how we are manipulated. How if I pull up a video of Sonia Poulton you will immediately slap her down and slander her.... Because that's what they want you to do.
I think you get the just of it here.
All I'm asking is, please, have an open mind and let's try and debate this.
I do not want to convince you he's innocent. I don't - I promise.
What I want is for you to tell me, with an open mind, where I am wrong.
I will begin my theory tomorrow. All I ask is you walk with me. Don't attack me, please.
Thanks you 🙏
You're entitled to to have your theory and believe that Bamber is innocent. Certainly no attacks from me! Look forward to reading your thoughts tomorrow 8((()*/
Just one thing - should what Bamber looked like have influenced the jury (or anyone) " no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty" - your comment kind of suggests it should?
Anyway, night AA x
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It's a SLOG.
But basically.......a very hot stuntman breaks his back and goes a bit mental.
The End.
I see abs is back in business... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKhqEF6NsqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKhqEF6NsqE)
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You're entitled to to have your theory and believe that Bamber is innocent. Certainly no attacks from me! Look forward to reading your thoughts tomorrow 8((()*/
Just one thing - should what Bamber looked like have influenced the jury (or anyone) " no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty" - your comment kind of suggests it should?
Anyway, night AA x
I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
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You've been admiring Dr. Jekyll and refusing to countenance Mr. Hyde.
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
Good Morning, Auntie A. The 'Jeremy' you came to know, in prison, appears to be rather different from the 'Jeremy' others experienced him as being. "Kind and considerate etc" are not how he has been described by those in his company when he was free. As I feel perfectly certain that he never saw you as being any sort of threat, you may have seen a side of him reserved for very few.
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You've been admiring Dr. Jekyll and refusing to countenance Mr. Hyde.
Anke Chen gets me every time. Thank-you. 8((()*/
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
Bamber cheated on JM with AG
He cheated on you with newly acquainted ‘other people’
These actions are not kind or considerate and show he’s not loyal
Covering his cell and himself in his own faeces was not kind or considerate AA
He never supported you AA - he dumped you and left you to face the abuse and whatever else alone
How many times has he contacted you to check to make sure you’re okay, do you need anything, etc ?
There are so many more other examples
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Watched It. Still thinking about It.
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
What makes you believe psychopaths aren’t like this Aunt Agatha?
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Good Morning, Auntie A. The 'Jeremy' you came to know, in prison, appears to be rather different from the 'Jeremy' others experienced him as being. "Kind and considerate etc" are not how he has been described by those in his company when he was free. As I feel perfectly certain that he never saw you as being any sort of threat, you may have seen a side of him reserved for very few.
Bamber mirrored Aunt Agatha
“Individuals with psychopathic or narcissistic traits* frequently use false personas to interact with others, sometimes tailoring their masks so that they appear to share the interests of their targets. From small talk to bombastic speeches, any spotlight presents the opportunity to craft a mask, and to test, dominate, or even malign unwitting interlocutors.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201712/5-things-psychopaths-and-narcissists-will-do-in-conversation
’Psychopaths in particular are glib, and mendacity is their lingua franca’
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I've been researching these things for many years and until I can get your attention away from the mainstream narrative it will be difficult for me to introduce a new theory that would not be ridiculed.
You’ve been groomed and conned AA
Your denial is understandable
Your ‘research’ appears part of your ‘distractive or escapist’ strategy
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/the_odd_body_denial/
"From a psychoanalytical viewpoint, denial is a pathological, ineffective defense mechanism..On the other hand, according to the stress and coping model, denial can be seen as an adaptive strategy to protect against overwhelming events and feelings."
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This is a massive step one takes and to believe it is very difficult because it is 'quite unbelieveable'. But it's true.
Bamber wears a ‘mask of sanity’
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Fair comments... I'm with you all the way.
This is a massive step one takes and to believe it is very difficult because it is 'quite unbelieveable'. But it's true.
Not everyone is involved in this, that's not suggested, but many are and it's the likes of the MSM who have been told to suffocate the story, denounce such claims, only have people on the show who will say what we want them to say.
Then we have the Bamber case. Imagine if this case was not what we are being told. It's the media's job to slate Jeremy at every opportunity, that's part of the plan I want to discuss.
The jourors had to be convinced this man commuted the crime. A young good looking man, well educated, well spoken and charming... Jeez, no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty, so, they had to demonize him.
He was greedy.. A playboy. A thief. A drug user. A womaniser. A liar. A psychopath. He was grandiose, lazy, evil, he even tried selling naked photos of his sister.
And then, he even phoned his girlfriend to say this was the night that he was planning on killing his entire family. On top of that, he laughed at the funeral, he even went on holiday... This man never cared about anybody... He is evil to the core!
What if that information is distorted, and its not the whole truth? Would you guys on here believe it? No, you wouldn't.
But the movie shows how we are manipulated. How if I pull up a video of Sonia Poulton you will immediately slap her down and slander her.... Because that's what they want you to do.
I think you get the just of it here.
All I'm asking is, please, have an open mind and let's try and debate this.
I do not want to convince you he's innocent. I don't - I promise.
What I want is for you to tell me, with an open mind, where I am wrong.
I will begin my theory tomorrow. All I ask is you walk with me. Don't attack me, please.
Thanks you 🙏
Why did Bamber give you a gun/rifle?
His 6-year-old twin nephews were shot dead with one
Why didn’t he get the prison or police to destroy the gun?
You said you put it in your loft
But why even accept it into your house?
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Why did Bamber give you a gun/rifle?
His 6-year-old twin nephews were shot dead with one
Why didn’t he get the prison or police to destroy the gun?
You said you put it in your loft
But why even accept it into your house?
Fair points. Quite a macabre choice of gift given the circumstances.
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Fair points. Quite a macabre choice of gift given the circumstances.
Didn’t AA say she eventually gave the gun/rifle up via an amnesty - ‘no questions asked’ ?
What did she mean by this?
Here’s what she said
I have twin sons and I thought it too dangerous to have a rifle in the house, even though it was in the attic, I wanted it gone. So I handed it in to my local police station. No questions asked. It was handed in during one of the gun amnesty around 2009
Didn’t Bamber think it was ‘too dangerous’ to give the rifle to AA in the first place?
Did it distress you having the rifle in your house AA?
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My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
Would a ‘kind considerate’ person give a rifle/gun to a single mum with young twin sons ?
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The jourors had to be convinced this man commuted the crime. A young good looking man, well educated, well spoken and charming... Jeez, no juror would find this beautiful creature guilty, so, they had to demonize him.
Aunt Agatha you state,
”A young good looking man, well educated, well spoken and charming... Jeez, no juror would find this beautiful creature guilt”
Bamber covered his prison cell in his own excrement Aunt Agatha
Who was tasked with cleaning it up?
Would you have cleaned it up?
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Bamber covered his prison cell in his own excrement Aunt Agatha
How long did this - ‘dirty protest’ - go on for Aunt Agatha?
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Can we keep this pleasant, Please.
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How long did this - ‘dirty protest’ - go on for Aunt Agatha?
I believe that the perpetrator essentially has to sit in his / her own filth until a suited and booted contract cleaning team is dispatched. It's usually the same day, can take hours to arrange, but usually everything's cleaned up in time for the next meal.
There's every chance the dopey get had to sit in his own sh*** for hours.
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I believe that the perpetrator essentially has to sit in his / her own filth until a suited and booted contract cleaning team is dispatched. It's usually the same day, can take hours to arrange, but usually everything's cleaned up in time for the next meal.
There's every chance the dopey get had to sit in his own sh*** for hours.
Imagine Aunt Agatha will know more of the details
But if as you say the contract cleaners are dispatched the same day and everything cleaned up in time for the next meal, what happened if Bamber did this again after his next meal?
How many days did this ‘beautiful creature’ - as AA referred to Bamber - continue with his ‘dirty protest’ ?
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Imagine Aunt Agatha will know more of the details
But if as you say the contract cleaners are dispatched the same day and everything cleaned up in time for the next meal, what happened if Bamber did this again after his next meal?
How many days did this ‘beautiful creature’ - as AA referred to Bamber - continue with his ‘dirty protest’ ?
I suppose it depends on how much faeces one can produce after the first one.
The 'beautiful creature' comment demonstrates that Aunti Agg is still besotted with him. She got the 2nd bit right.
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I suppose it depends on how much faeces one can produce after the first one.
The 'beautiful creature' comment demonstrates that Aunti Agg is still besotted with him. She got the 2nd bit right.
Re the ‘2nd bit’
He was greedy.. A playboy. A thief. A drug user. A womaniser. A liar. A psychopath. He was grandiose, lazy, evil, he even tried selling naked photos of his sister.
And then, he even phoned his girlfriend to say this was the night that he was planning on killing his entire family. On top of that, he laughed at the funeral, he even went on holiday... This man never cared about anybody... He is evil to the core!
What if that information is distorted, and its not the whole truth?
Aunt Agatha has yet to demonstrate how Bamber wasn’t any of these things - as she sees it
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What makes you believe psychopaths aren’t like this Aunt Agatha?
I wonder why you're so wedded to the idea that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath, despite the paucity of evidence to support your opinion? What if he isn't?
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I wonder why you're so wedded to the idea that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath, despite the paucity of evidence to support your opinion? What if he isn't?
Do you think he’s ‘on the spectrum’ then?
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Do you think he’s ‘on the spectrum’ then?
On what spectrum?
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Do you think he’s ‘on the spectrum’ then?
So you passionately believe Bamber is a psychopath despite being unable to offer anything resembling evidence.
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On what spectrum?
https://advancingmilestones.com/news/what-does-it-mean-to-be-on-the-spectrum/
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
I think because you know him (or a version of him), you find it hard to believe he could have committed the heinous crime, so much so that you would rather believe an elaborate woven plot that really has no basis in fact. All the evidence point to Jeremy but I'm interested to hear your theory. Interestingly, when given the opportunity to put forward the evidence that shows Sheila responsible - no one was forth coming.
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So you passionately believe Bamber is a psychopath despite being unable to offer anything resembling evidence.
Do you mean his pre trial assessment report ?
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What makes you believe psychopaths aren’t like this Aunt Agatha?
Well, lets face it, it's not like he would have had to maintain the mask for long - just as long as visiting hours.
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Well, lets face it, it's not like he would have had to maintain the mask for long - just as long as visiting hours.
8((()*/
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My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all
‘Dirty protests’ Aunt Agatha
They happened - Bamber said so
You ‘fed into it’
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Do you mean his pre trial assessment report ?
By whom?
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https://advancingmilestones.com/news/what-does-it-mean-to-be-on-the-spectrum/
I'm on that spectrum. As is my dog, apparently.
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Didn’t AA say she eventually gave the gun/rifle up via an amnesty - ‘no questions asked’ ?
What did she mean by this?
Here’s what she said
Didn’t Bamber think it was ‘too dangerous’ to give the rifle to AA in the first place?
Did it distress you having the rifle in your house AA?
From what AA said previously, the rifle he gave her was a pellet gun (air rifle) and although they aren't toys, they aren't typically lethal. Bamber must have been told by EP that they were finished with the items in question and asked him where/who he wanted them returned to. I know Spy thinks the police don't do that but they do.
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So you passionately believe Bamber is a psychopath despite being unable to offer anything resembling evidence.
He was classified as such prior to trial by a real life psychiatrist.
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On receipt of the rifle/gun - did Aunt Agatha put it straight up in the loft or was it kept somewhere in her home before it was eventually put in the loft?
I have twin sons and I thought it too dangerous to have a rifle in the house, even though it was in the attic, I wanted it gone. So I handed it in to my local police station. No questions asked. It was handed in during one of the gun amnesty around 2009
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
Yes, the jury got bored of all the evidence and decided the case on whether he was good looking or not.
They were split 9-2 until the undecided juror was persuaded by the 9 that his monobrow was a sure sign of guilt.
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He was classified as such prior to trial by a real life psychiatrist.
And Prof Egan was/is a psychologist
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On receipt of the rifle/gun - did Aunt Agatha put it straight up in the loft or was it kept somewhere in her home before it was eventually put in the loft?
Has AA got a firearms license? Does she know they have to be kept locked in a secure cabinet?
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And Prof Egan is a psychologist
I'm not sure why his early diagnosis is being ignored - it's completely ridiculous!
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Yes, the jury got bored of all the evidence and decided the case on whether he was good looking or not.
They were split 9-2 until the undecided juror was persuaded by the 9 that his monobrow was a sure sign of guilt.
Sorry, but I did laugh at this @)(++(*
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He was classified as such prior to trial by a real life psychiatrist.
Is this the "real life" psychiatrist you refer to? Do you have evidence that the psychiatrist actually met JB to carry out a diagnosis?
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And Prof Egan was/is a psychologist
And 27 alleged annual prison assessments haven’t erased the psychiatrists pre trial assessment of Bamber
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Is this the "real life" psychiatrist you refer to? Do you have evidence that the psychiatrist actually met JB to carry out a diagnosis?
Of course he met him, he was hired by the defence - do you think he was asked to give his opinion from his own house? That's just silly Holly. I used to believe the hype about how he didn't meet Bamber but that isn't common sense. The report was clearly withheld by the defence and I think Bamber should campaign for that to be released also - it's only fair!
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Is this the "real life" psychiatrist you refer to? Do you have evidence that the psychiatrist actually met JB to carry out a diagnosis?
“the psychiatrist gathered up his papers”
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Of course he met him, he was hired by the defence - do you think he was asked to give his opinion from his own house? That's just silly Holly. I used to believe the hype about how he didn't meet Bamber but that isn't common sense. The report was clearly withheld by the defence and I think Bamber should campaign for that to be released also - it's only fair!
Bamber’s innocence fraud campaign should seize until he releases his pre trial assessment report
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I'm not sure why his early diagnosis is being ignored - it's completely ridiculous!
Why does it appear Mark Newby is also ignoring it; or is he ?
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Has AA got a firearms license? Does she know they have to be kept locked in a secure cabinet?
Something or someone appears to have ‘put the frighteners’ on her or she wouldn’t have handed it in during the alleged ‘gun amnesty’ ?
So I handed it in to my local police station. No questions asked. It was handed in during one of the gun amnesty around 2009
What year was this ‘gun amnesty’ ?
Would there be records of it ?
What police force was it ?
How did Aunt Agatha hear of the alleged ‘gun amnesty’ ?
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Bamber’s innocence fraud campaign should seize until he releases his pre trial assessment report
Why didn’t this happen around the time Simon Hall confessed and exposed his guilt in 2013 ?
Has Aunt Agatha ever had sight of Bamber’s pre trial assessment ?
Have his CT ?
Trudi Benjamin ?
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From what AA said previously, the rifle he gave her was a pellet gun (air rifle) and although they aren't toys, they aren't typically lethal. Bamber must have been told by EP that they were finished with the items in question and asked him where/who he wanted them returned to. I know Spy thinks the police don't do that but they do.
Why wasn’t it disposed of though Caroline? Why was it given to Aunt Agatha and why did she accept it into her home?
And what type of person would give a mum with young twin sons a rifle of any description ?
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“the psychiatrist gathered up his papers”
In counsel's Chambers. JB was on remand.
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Of course he met him, he was hired by the defence - do you think he was asked to give his opinion from his own house? That's just silly Holly. I used to believe the hype about how he didn't meet Bamber but that isn't common sense. The report was clearly withheld by the defence and I think Bamber should campaign for that to be released also - it's only fair!
Where's the evidence the psychiatrist met JB? He visited cousels Chambers and may well have been the defence psychiatrist, Dr Bradley, who was instructed to give evidence about SC.
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In counsel's Chambers. JB was on remand.
When do think a pre trial assessment takes place Holly?
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Where's the evidence the psychiatrist met JB?
Maybe Bamber told Aunt Agatha - someone will know - You could always ask Bamber directly
Simon Halls pre trial assessment concluded a dissocial personality
“Dissocial personality disorder is one of ten personality disorders defined in the ICD-10 classification system. It is called [ censored word]ocial personality disorder in the DSM-IV and DSM-5 classification systems and is still sometimes referred to as such by professionals in the UK
“Psychopathy is considered to be a considerably severe form of dissocial personality disorder
https://patient.info/doctor/dissocial-personality-disorder
Maybe Bamber’s says the same or similar?
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AA - the two things are unrelated but while there are paedo's in all walks of life, the guy who made the paedophilic ring allegation was found out to be a fraud. There is no evidence that Nevill was ever in the FM's so your theory falls at that juncture.
There’s no evidence Nevill was in the Freemasons, but so what if he was?
It’s only people who are clueless that think the Masons are some kind of satanic society, which is a pile of sh*t. And, if NB was a member I GUARANTEE it would have come out. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
As for AA spouting all this crap I wasn’t going to respond and it’s too ludicrous; I think AA has a problem that needs addressing. If people think that’s rude of me, so be it. This forum is becoming a laughing stock having threads like this! It’s embarrassing and simply shows how strange and peculiar some members are.
AA seems to think because Nevill received a short phone call when he had company, that suggests he was involved in some way with paedophiles, murderers, satanists. AA is like the man on Twitter who’s convinced Sheila went mad watching Brookside, I can’t debate with people like that...it isn’t normal.
The phone call Nevill received could have been ANYTHING FGS! Someone moaning about their f*cking potatoes...the brother of Ann Eaton’s husband who was furious Nevill bought the land he wanted to build on...absolutely anything! And AA comes along and in HER HEAD says Nevill must have been a Freemason; knee dangerous people in government; knew paedophiles...FGS.
It’s nuts.
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Lots of things could have happened, like a mafia hit job, the Russians, Mossad, a burglary gone wrong, Nevill did it himself and staged it to look like he was murdered, likewise June, Prince Philip, you name it, anyone at all rather than the person to whom all the evidence points of course.
Sounds like one of the reasons JB ceased contact with AA was that even he couldn’t listen to her anymore...
I’ve heard more sense coming out the mouths of people suffering DT’s.
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But Caroline you have to remember Icke was an 11 plus failure, a crap goalie, and now thinks he's the Son of the Godhead (no relation to Holly, of course).
He’s mentally ill
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There’s no evidence Nevill was in the Freemasons, but so what if he was?
It’s only people who are clueless that think the Masons are some kind of satanic society, which is a pile of sh*t. And, if NB was a member I GUARANTEE it would have come out. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
As for AA spouting all this crap I wasn’t going to respond and it’s too ludicrous; I think AA has a problem that needs addressing. If people think that’s rude of me, so be it. This forum is becoming a laughing stock having threads like this! It’s embarrassing and simply shows how strange and peculiar some members are.
AA seems to think because Nevill received a short phone call when he had company, that suggests he was involved in some way with paedophiles, murderers, satanists. AA is like the man on Twitter who’s convinced Sheila went mad watching Brookside, I can’t debate with people like that...it isn’t normal.
The phone call Nevill received could have been ANYTHING FGS! Someone moaning about their f*cking potatoes...the brother of Ann Eaton’s husband who was furious Nevill bought the land he wanted to build on...absolutely anything! And AA comes along and in HER HEAD says Nevill must have been a Freemason; knee dangerous people in government; knew paedophiles...FGS.
It’s nuts.
Please feel free to stop commenting.
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Sounds like one of the reasons JB ceased contact with AA was that even he couldn’t listen to her anymore...
I’ve heard more sense coming out the mouths of people suffering DT’s.
For a number of weeks you thought Holly was running a ghost account; my account.
Even the most cursory of checks and you could have wobbled your bonce back to reality. So it seems there's no monopoly on outlandish conspiracy theories.
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There’s no evidence Nevill was in the Freemasons, but so what if he was?
It’s only people who are clueless that think the Masons are some kind of satanic society, which is a pile of sh*t. And, if NB was a member I GUARANTEE it would have come out. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
As for AA spouting all this crap I wasn’t going to respond and it’s too ludicrous; I think AA has a problem that needs addressing. If people think that’s rude of me, so be it. This forum is becoming a laughing stock having threads like this! It’s embarrassing and simply shows how strange and peculiar some members are.
AA seems to think because Nevill received a short phone call when he had company, that suggests he was involved in some way with paedophiles, murderers, satanists. AA is like the man on Twitter who’s convinced Sheila went mad watching Brookside, I can’t debate with people like that...it isn’t normal.
The phone call Nevill received could have been ANYTHING FGS! Someone moaning about their f*cking potatoes...the brother of Ann Eaton’s husband who was furious Nevill bought the land he wanted to build on...absolutely anything! And AA comes along and in HER HEAD says Nevill must have been a Freemason; knee dangerous people in government; knew paedophiles...FGS.
It’s nuts.
Think it was a programme called ‘Are you being served’ ?
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I agree, but there must be no room left for hesitation. It came in at 10:2, if just one juror had been taken in by his positive looks etc, then he'd be free.
Looks shouldnt count, but personality can.
They who planned this, had to ensure there were no mistakes. He was portrayed as evil.
My view, not reading into all the hype about his bad behaviour etc, I never fed into it all, has resulted in me finding him kind, considerate, supportive, loyal, he's a joker, friendly and knowledgeable. He's positive in company and makes every effort to ensure your time with him is special. Of me, he asked for nothing but me myself.
So if he’s so sweet, why did he go mad at you, believe strangers against you, and stop all contact?
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Bamber cheated on JM with AG
He cheated on you with newly acquainted ‘other people’
These actions are not kind or considerate and show he’s not loyal
Covering his cell and himself in his own faeces was not kind or considerate AA
He never supported you AA - he dumped you and left you to face the abuse and whatever else alone
How many times has he contacted you to check to make sure you’re okay, do you need anything, etc ?
There are so many more other examples
Stockholm Syndrome springs to mind...
I actually feel worried for her having these disturbed beliefs and thoughts
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Think it was a programme called ‘Are you being served’ ?
There’s a ‘Heigh ho - Snow White and the seven draw comparison’ ?
Here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1255570622958178316
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Bamber mirrored Aunt Agatha
“Individuals with psychopathic or narcissistic traits* frequently use false personas to interact with others, sometimes tailoring their masks so that they appear to share the interests of their targets. From small talk to bombastic speeches, any spotlight presents the opportunity to craft a mask, and to test, dominate, or even malign unwitting interlocutors.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201712/5-things-psychopaths-and-narcissists-will-do-in-conversation
’Psychopaths in particular are glib, and mendacity is their lingua franca’
Yep, he mirrored Colin and watched him closely to try and act the same way to pretend he was grieving
He’s a lousy actor too...that’s just one of the things that gave him away.
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There’s a ‘Heigh ho - Snow White and the seven draw comparison’ ?
Here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1255570622958178316
And the ‘ Walkers Prawn Cocktail Crisps’ ones here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1229854948910866433
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Why did Bamber give you a gun/rifle?
His 6-year-old twin nephews were shot dead with one
Why didn’t he get the prison or police to destroy the gun?
You said you put it in your loft
But why even accept it into your house?
I don’t believe they did
It was a delusion...
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Bamber wears a ‘mask of sanity’
Which frequently slips...
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There’s no evidence Nevill was in the Freemasons, but so what if he was?
It’s only people who are clueless that think the Masons are some kind of satanic society, which is a pile of sh*t. And, if NB was a member I GUARANTEE it would have come out. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
As for AA spouting all this crap I wasn’t going to respond and it’s too ludicrous; I think AA has a problem that needs addressing. If people think that’s rude of me, so be it. This forum is becoming a laughing stock having threads like this! It’s embarrassing and simply shows how strange and peculiar some members are.
AA seems to think because Nevill received a short phone call when he had company, that suggests he was involved in some way with paedophiles, murderers, satanists. AA is like the man on Twitter who’s convinced Sheila went mad watching Brookside, I can’t debate with people like that...it isn’t normal.
The phone call Nevill received could have been ANYTHING FGS! Someone moaning about their f*cking potatoes...the brother of Ann Eaton’s husband who was furious Nevill bought the land he wanted to build on...absolutely anything! And AA comes along and in HER HEAD says Nevill must have been a Freemason; knee dangerous people in government; knew paedophiles...FGS.
It’s nuts.
You were correct - it’s here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1237770555518005250
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Stockholm Syndrome springs to mind...
I actually feel worried for her having these disturbed beliefs and thoughts
Think it’s said ‘Stockholm syndrome’ was made up by a journalist ?
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There’s a ‘Heigh ho - Snow White and the seven draw comparison’ ?
Here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1255570622958178316
There’s one here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1231719184926740480
‘Martin Fowler’s first appearance on Eastenders’
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Can we keep this pleasant, Please.
Why are you trying to sweep the TRUTH under the carpet?
Jeremy Bamber covered his body in faeces: that’s a fact.
Why don’t you want people to speak the TRUTH about him? I thought this forum was about JUSTICE and telling the facts and truth — not covering up things!
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You were correct - it’s here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1237770555518005250
Interesting thread here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1074050809552404481
“What about the symbolism of the Bible next to Sheila? Would Jeremy really stage that to look like religious delusions?
Could it be linked to this TV show episode about cousins & a hand injury?”
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There’s no evidence Nevill was in the Freemasons, but so what if he was?
It’s only people who are clueless that think the Masons are some kind of satanic society, which is a pile of sh*t. And, if NB was a member I GUARANTEE it would have come out. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
As for AA spouting all this crap I wasn’t going to respond and it’s too ludicrous; I think AA has a problem that needs addressing. If people think that’s rude of me, so be it. This forum is becoming a laughing stock having threads like this! It’s embarrassing and simply shows how strange and peculiar some members are.
AA seems to think because Nevill received a short phone call when he had company, that suggests he was involved in some way with paedophiles, murderers, satanists. AA is like the man on Twitter who’s convinced Sheila went mad watching Brookside, I can’t debate with people like that...it isn’t normal.
The phone call Nevill received could have been ANYTHING FGS! Someone moaning about their f*cking potatoes...the brother of Ann Eaton’s husband who was furious Nevill bought the land he wanted to build on...absolutely anything! And AA comes along and in HER HEAD says Nevill must have been a Freemason; knee dangerous people in government; knew paedophiles...FGS.
It’s nuts.
Are you sure it’s a man ?
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I shall be deleting any further insulting and personal remarks. Good manners cost nothing.
And stand by for Warning Points.
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Imagine Aunt Agatha will know more of the details
But if as you say the contract cleaners are dispatched the same day and everything cleaned up in time for the next meal, what happened if Bamber did this again after his next meal?
How many days did this ‘beautiful creature’ - as AA referred to Bamber - continue with his ‘dirty protest’ ?
I thought it went on for several days...
I shall check later.
Whatever, even doing it just once shows what he’s capable of
He’s a psychopath, a sadist, and absolutely repugnant
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Why are you trying to sweep the TRUTH under the carpet?
Jeremy Bamber covered his body in faces: that’s a fact.
Hey don’t you want people to speak the TRUTH about him? I thought this forum was about JUSTICE and telling the facts and truth — not covering up things!
I think you meant Faeces.
This is a Debating Forum. The opinions of other people are just as important as yours.
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Re the ‘2nd bit’
Aunt Agatha has yet to demonstrate how Bamber wasn’t any of these things - as she sees it
She’s seriously in denial.
If she thinks it’s lies/distortions that he went to Amsterdam, then went on holiday to St Tropez, that he didn’t try to sell the photos of Sheila to The Sun, that he never phoned Julie and said “tonight’s the night” even though she swore he did under oath — and he never even denied calling Julie, and if she thinks all the rest of the overwhelming evidence against him are lies, then she clearly had the ability to believe the figments of her imagination.
I can’t be rude, but I’m sure I’m not the only one here who senses this...
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So you passionately believe Bamber is a psychopath despite being unable to offer anything resembling evidence.
He proved it when he shot dead his mother, father, sister and two six-year-old nephews.
You can’t get better evidence than that, dear
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Well, lets face it, it's not like he would have had to maintain the mask for long - just as long as visiting hours.
Aunt Agatha doesn’t know what a psychopath is, obviously.
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Yes, the jury got bored of all the evidence and decided the case on whether he was good looking or not.
They were split 9-2 until the undecided juror was persuaded by the 9 that his monobrow was a sure sign of guilt.
Good looks are subjective
Facially, he isn’t ugly as such, but I certainly don’t think he’s handsome at all. If he wasn’t a mass murderer I still wouldn’t have given him a second glance: he never “shone” in his pictures, and looked kind of creepy to me
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Here’s another one...
It’s rather odd to pose for your annual prison mugshots...sure sign he’s arrogant and has an over-inflated ego
He isn’t anywhere near as good-looking as he’d like to think: one reporter said he was quite surprised at how he looks in the flesh. Maybe he’s photogenic and the camera makes him look better, but according to the reporter, Jeremy Bamber looked so much older than his years, with heavy jowls, a grey complexion, and strange “dead” eyes...
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Is this the "real life" psychiatrist you refer to? Do you have evidence that the psychiatrist actually met JB to carry out a diagnosis?
That isn’t the psychiatrist who diagnosed Jeremy Bamber with psychopathy when he was on remand.
Why do people have difficulty accepting that this mass murderer is a psychopath? Is it because he wore a suit in court and combed his hair?
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Of course he met him, he was hired by the defence - do you think he was asked to give his opinion from his own house? That's just silly Holly. I used to believe the hype about how he didn't meet Bamber but that isn't common sense. The report was clearly withheld by the defence and I think Bamber should campaign for that to be released also - it's only fair!
Good point, Caroline!
Jeremy Bamber should show that evidence to an appeal court and claim compensation for being diagnosed a psychopath when he’s actually an endearing, kind cherub who wouldn’t harm a fly.
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She’s seriously in denial.
If she thinks it’s lies/distortions that he went to Amsterdam, then went on holiday to St Tropez, that he didn’t try to sell the photos of Sheila to The Sun, that he never phoned Julie and said “tonight’s the night” even though she swore he did under oath — and he never even denied calling Julie, and if she thinks all the rest of the overwhelming evidence against him are lies, then she clearly had the ability to believe the figments of her imagination.
I can’t be rude, but I’m sure I’m not the only one here who senses this...
Still convinced he tipped off Kieron Saunders at the Sun re ‘heroin & methadone’
Who did Bamber know at the time who may have been taking the stuff?
Did he ever take it?
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When do think a pre trial assessment takes place Holly?
It’s embarrassing watching people squirm when they’re trapped...
You’d have more respect for them if they admitted it
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For a number of weeks you thought Holly was running a ghost account; my account.
Even the most cursory of checks and you could have wobbled your bonce back to reality. So it seems there's no monopoly on outlandish conspiracy theories.
Slight exaggeration there, or you can’t count...
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Think it was a programme called ‘Are you being served’ ?
Is he on that one now?🤣
His favourite is Brookside...caused all manner of murders according to him
He’s even managed to line up some numbers connecting Sheila to Marilyn Monroe
Is he related to anyone on here, I wonder?😌
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There’s a ‘Heigh ho - Snow White and the seven draw comparison’ ?
Here https://mobile.twitter.com/medicalcoverup/status/1255570622958178316
🤣🤣🤣
What condition has he got, I wonder?
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Is he on that one now?🤣
His favourite is Brookside...caused all manner of murders according to him
He’s even managed to line up some numbers connecting Sheila to Marilyn Monroe
Is he related to anyone on here, I wonder?😌
TE-LIE-VISION
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🤣🤣🤣
What condition has he got, I wonder?
or she ?
@)(++(* @)(++(*
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Think it’s said ‘Stockholm syndrome’ was made up by a journalist ?
No, it’s an actual mental condition when someone’s been brainwashed
Patty Hearst who was kidnapped in the 1970s became sympathetic towards her kidnappers and ended up working for them. There’s a reason why they do...I can’t remember off hand, but basically they’re brainwashed.
Similar to cults who recruit naive gullible types.
Bit like Jeremy Bamber’s CT...they’re all of the same ilk.
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Are you sure it’s a man ?
Good point!
I presumed so as he has a letter on his pinned tweet from the House of Commons where they’re obviously weary of him...he complained about something or the other...load of old nonsense, realised he was one jelly short of a picnic and replied out of decency.
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I think you meant Faeces.
This is a Debating Forum. The opinions of other people are just as important as yours.
That was a typo, which I’m sure you realised...and which I’ve corrected. I type very quickly when tweeting and on forums, but I can assure you I know how to spell so you don’t need to point obvious typos out to me.
But well done for realising I meant Jeremy covered himself in faeces.
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Can we not just let AA actually state what her theory is?
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Can we not just let AA actually state what her theory is?
That would be good, if at all possible.
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No, it’s an actual mental condition when someone’s been brainwashed
Patty Hearst who was kidnapped in the 1970s became sympathetic towards her kidnappers and ended up working for them. There’s a reason why they do...I can’t remember off hand, but basically they’re brainwashed.
Similar to cults who recruit naive gullible types.
Bit like Jeremy Bamber’s CT...they’re all of the same ilk.
Ispy, there's a program on Netflix 'Holy Hell'. Holy s**t is more the word!! Brainwashing at its best!!
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Ispy, there's a program on Netflix 'Holy Hell'. Holy s**t is more the word!! Brainwashing at its best!!
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Gosh, it sounds horrendous!
I’ll watch that later...thank you.
Many people don’t realise how serious brainwashing is; that’s why Jeremy Bamber likes the gullible types who are pliable and easy to delude. I’m not convinced he believes he will ever get free; I think having all these letters from mainly deluded women amuses him and helps him pass the the time. Plus he gets freebies off them, and visits. After all, if it wasn’t for them he’d have no visitors or letters. He has no family, no friends, not even acquaintances who he once knew...all he’s got is himself, a couple of oddball dangerous inmates who might make out they like him (though I read most of them hate him), and strange people writing him letters of support who he must laugh at. He won’t tell them that, though, as he wants his cash, stamps, envelopes and all the crap they post online for him.
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That isn’t the psychiatrist who diagnosed Jeremy Bamber with psychopathy when he was on remand.
Why do people have difficulty accepting that this mass murderer is a psychopath? Is it because he wore a suit in court and combed his hair?
Why don't people understand that assertions aren't facts?
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Why don't people understand that assertions aren't facts?
Or that excuses aren't reasons?
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Or that excuses aren't reasons?
'Excuses' is your word. I prefer 'possibilities'. The amateur psychiatrists on here seem to think they can make diagnoses.
Psychopaths or idiots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9LUVVb434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2NFrs910mk
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Why don't people understand that assertions aren't facts?
They certainly can be.
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'Excuses' is your word. I prefer 'possibilities'. The amateur psychiatrists on here seem to think they can make diagnoses.
Psychopaths or idiots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9LUVVb434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2NFrs910mk
Throwing sticks at ducks doesn’t mean you’re a psychopath but together with a whole host of other questionable behaviour it could certainly be an indicator. You do understand that many psychopaths have a history of hurting defenceless animals and exhibiting physical cruelty don’t you?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/domestic-violence-animal-cruelty-abuse-neglect-murder-children-dogs-a9018071.html
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Furthermore, JB did not “just” throw stones at baby birds, he did it specifically to upset his sister.
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Throwing sticks at ducks doesn’t mean you’re a psychopath but together with a whole host of other questionable behaviour it could certainly be an indicator. You do understand that many psychopaths have a history of hurting defenceless animals and exhibiting physical cruelty don’t you?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/domestic-violence-animal-cruelty-abuse-neglect-murder-children-dogs-a9018071.html
I think you need more than a boy throwing stones to make your point. Many boys do things which are not acceptable;
Every act of violence committed against an animal is not a sign that a person is going to turn out to be a homicidal maniac. Particularly with young children, whose natural exuberance and curiosity can lead to some unpleasant experiences for their pets, it is fine to shrug off an occasional lapse in judgment while continuing to educate the child about humane animal treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
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What I find interesting is Bambers constant denial that he is or was a diagnosed psychopath which tends to suggest he doth protest too much. For what reason?
and why are his supporters so touchy about this? If there are two sure fire ways to upset a Bamberette, one is to say that Julie was gorgeous,brave and too good for him and the other is to call him a psycho.
His CT tweet about this constantly and include a psychopathic checklist on which, for my money, he appears to tick many boxes.
I wonder what his prison files say? Release the evidence Mr Bamber! - and the CCRC statement of reasons too.
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Furthermore, JB did not “just” throw stones at baby birds, he did it specifically to upset his sister.
Didn't he wear make up around the farm to torment June?
He tormented Julie by flirting with other women in front of her.
What about tormenting CC about the death of his sons?
Seems to be a pattern.
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I think you need more than a boy throwing stones to make your point. Many boys do things which are not acceptable;
Every act of violence committed against an animal is not a sign that a person is going to turn out to be a homicidal maniac. Particularly with young children, whose natural exuberance and curiosity can lead to some unpleasant experiences for their pets, it is fine to shrug off an occasional lapse in judgment while continuing to educate the child about humane animal treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
You seem to have missed my point completely. Did I not acknowledge that throwing sticks at animals does not mean you will grow up to be a homicidal maniac? There is a lot more to Bamber’s behaviour that gives one pause for thought than just stone throwing so try and re-read what I wrote and understand it this time.
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I think you need more than a boy throwing stones to make your point. Many boys do things which are not acceptable;
Every act of violence committed against an animal is not a sign that a person is going to turn out to be a homicidal maniac. Particularly with young children, whose natural exuberance and curiosity can lead to some unpleasant experiences for their pets, it is fine to shrug off an occasional lapse in judgment while continuing to educate the child about humane animal treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
The article you link to suggests that if a child derived pleasure from hurting animals then this is a red flag.
This, from another article:
James' son, Robert, has chilling memories of the young Bamber.
He said: "He could be very cruel to animals and he used to take great delight in throwing stones at waterhen chicks and hitting farm animals with sticks."
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Furthermore, JB did not “just” throw stones at baby birds, he did it specifically to upset his sister.
As recounted by Robert Carr. He and his father disliked Jeremy as much as Robert Boutflour did, didn't they?
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'Excuses' is your word. I prefer 'possibilities'. The amateur psychiatrists on here seem to think they can make diagnoses.
Psychopaths or idiots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9LUVVb434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2NFrs910mk
Excuses!
The psychiatrist that you keep ignoring classified Bamber as a psychopath pre-trial. I'll keep repeating it so you don't forget.
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As recounted by Robert Carr. He and his father disliked Jeremy as much as Robert Boutflour did, didn't they?
I’m not surprised. Would you like someone who tormented defenceless animals? Oh hang on, you kicked a dog so it probably wouldn’t bother you..
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Excuses!
The psychiatrist that you keep ignoring classified Bamber as a psychiatrist re-trial. I'll keep repeatig it so you don't forget.
psychopath, not psychiatrist, lol
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I think you need more than a boy throwing stones to make your point. Many boys do things which are not acceptable;
Every act of violence committed against an animal is not a sign that a person is going to turn out to be a homicidal maniac. Particularly with young children, whose natural exuberance and curiosity can lead to some unpleasant experiences for their pets, it is fine to shrug off an occasional lapse in judgment while continuing to educate the child about humane animal treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
The fact that he's a psychopath is more to do with his action in planning and killing his family. He was classified as a psychopath pre-trail.
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As recounted by Robert Carr. He and his father disliked Jeremy as much as Robert Boutflour did, didn't they?
Is it your belief that the only people who’s opinions of Jeremy we should pay attention to are those who liked him and speak favourably of him?
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psychopath, not psychiatrist, lol
Altered 8((()*/
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Is it your belief that the only people who’s opinions of Jeremy we should pay attention to are those who liked him and speak favourably of him?
Spoilt for choice there then!
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As recounted by Robert Carr. He and his father disliked Jeremy as much as Robert Boutflour did, didn't they?
Not liking someone can be a motive for dishing the real dirt.
Ted Bundy's mum never had a bad word to say about him, he was a little angel according to her.
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As recounted by Robert Carr. He and his father disliked Jeremy as much as Robert Boutflour did, didn't they?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8633.msg430438#msg430438
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Didn't he wear make up around the farm to torment June?
He tormented Julie by flirting with other women in front of her.
What about tormenting CC about the death of his sons?
Seems to be a pattern.
It seems like that to you, perhaps. In the real world these examples are not evidence of psychopathy.
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It seems like that to you, perhaps. In the real world these examples are not evidence of psychopathy.
Each example, standing alone, like those 'reasons' given for ALL his behaviours/traits, I agree, are not. However when ALL those behaviours/traits are added together?............. a very clear picture starts to emerge which is rather different from the one Auntie A knew.
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It seems like that to you, perhaps. In the real world these examples are not evidence of psychopathy.
You seem determined to see each character flaw in isolation from the rest. One thing I know for certain: if these were all examples pertaining to Gerry McCann they would suddenly take on far greater significance in your opinion.
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Each example, standing alone, like those 'reasons' given for ALL his behaviours/traits, I agree, are not. However when ALL those behaviours/traits are added together?............. a very clear picture starts to emerge which is rather different from the one Auntie A knew.
They're isolated incidents which have been cobbled together to make him seem psychopathic, but many boys and men have done similar things. He had grown up in the same dysfunctional family as Sheila, remember. His mother was a religious maniac and his father wasn't very empathetic. He thought it was funny to pretend to reps that he was going to give them a big order when he wasn't and laughed his head off when a mouse frightened Barbara Wilson. David Boutflour had noticed that when the Pargeter children visited both Sheila and Jeremy felt unloved and pushed out.
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They're isolated incidents which have been cobbled together to make him seem psychopathic, but many boys and men have done similar things. He had grown up in the same dysfunctional family as Sheila, remember. His mother was a religious maniac and his father wasn't very empathetic. He thought it was funny to pretend to reps that he was going to give them a big order when he wasn't and laughed his head off when a mouse frightened Barbara Wilson. David Boutflour had noticed that when the Pargeter children visited both Sheila and Jeremy felt unloved and pushed out.
OH, now you seem to be wanting to portray his mother as a maniac and Nevill as a psychopath! I think you’re going to have to try a bit harder than that though.
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You seem determined to see each character flaw in isolation from the rest. One thing I know for certain: if these were all examples pertaining to Gerry McCann they would suddenly take on far greater significance in your opinion.
I found some of the behaviour of both McCanns disturbing and strange, but I wouldn't start trying to diagnose them, it's not my speciality.
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I found some of the behaviour of both McCanns disturbing and strange, but I wouldn't start trying to diagnose them, it's not my speciality.
But you did like to discuss it endlessly. I wonder why? It’s quite clear what your inference was, that their behaviour both before and after Madeleine’s disappearance signalled their guilt. Now deny it!
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Topic, Please.
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Topic, Please.
Perhaps someone can explain what evidence links paedophiles in parliament with the murders at WHF.
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OH, now you seem to be wanting to portray his mother as a maniac and Nevill as a psychopath! I think you’re going to have to try a bit harder than that though.
Don't exaggerate. Colin Caffell, who knew June Bamber, called her a monster. Lacking empathy does not a psychopath make.
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Don't exaggerate. Colin Caffell, who knew June Bamber, called her a monster. Lacking empathy does not a psychopath make.
There really is no end to your denial.
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There really is no end to your denial.
I'm denying you have evidence to support your belief and I'm right, you don't.
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I'm denying you have evidence to support your belief and I'm right, you don't.
The evidence is in Wilkes's book. You just refuse to accept it and by not accepting it, it doesn't make Bamber any less a psychopath.
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The evidence is in Wilkes's book. You just refuse to accept it and by not accepting it, it doesn't make Bamber any less a psychopath.
If Aunt Agatha met Bamber in 1990
Roger Wilkes in 1991
“I first met Jeremy Bamber in the late summer of 1991, as I was pondering a book about his case. To my tentative first letter, Bamber had replied briskly, pointing out that I was not the first journalist to approach him about his story and asking me not to contact him again unless I was prepared to help.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/meetings-jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-murderer/
What was going on between the time he was found guilty - 1990 ?
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It seems like that to you, perhaps. In the real world these examples are not evidence of psychopathy.
I didn't say they were. If he hadn't gone on to massacre his entire family I would say they are meaningless
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I didn't say they were. If he hadn't gone on to massacre his entire family I would say they are meaningless
Killing isn't a symptom of psychopathy.
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Don't exaggerate. Colin Caffell, who knew June Bamber, called her a monster. Lacking empathy does not a psychopath make.
Lacking empathy is a pre-requisite for a psychopath.
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Killing isn't a symptom of psychopathy.
Killing is not a symptom of anything, it is an act that one usually chooses to commit, and when one does so purely for financial gain, and when killing involves the deaths of family members including children and then staging to make it look like one of your victims did it then I would say that is highly likely that the perpetrator had psychopathic tendencies. Why would you disagree with this?
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Killing isn't a symptom of psychopathy.
No but the propensity to commit murder can be a result of it. You must have twice as much hair as you initially started with!
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Killing is not a symptom of anything, it is an act that one usually chooses to commit, and when one does so purely for financial gain, and when killing involves the deaths of family members including children and then staging to make it look like one of your victims did it then I would say that is highly likely that the perpetrator had psychopathic tendencies. Why would you disagree with this?
And so would anyone who wasn't trying to make excuses for him.
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Killing is not a symptom of anything, it is an act that one usually chooses to commit, and when one does so purely for financial gain, and when killing involves the deaths of family members including children and then staging to make it look like one of your victims did it then I would say that is highly likely that the perpetrator had psychopathic tendencies. Why would you disagree with this?
You may believe something's 'highly likely' but that doesn't make it true.
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You may believe something's 'highly likely' but that doesn't make it true.
Yawn. It makes it highly likely unless you can explain why, in your opinion, it is unlikely that killing your family including young children for your own enrichment and framing one of the victims means you have psychopathic tendencies? Of course you won’t be able to and will just ignore the question as usual.
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Killing is not a symptom of anything, it is an act that one usually chooses to commit, and when one does so purely for financial gain, and when killing involves the deaths of family members including children and then staging to make it look like one of your victims did it then I would say that is highly likely that the perpetrator had psychopathic tendencies. Why would you disagree with this?
I would think that there are other types of mental illnesses which could be just as prevalent in this case?
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I would think that there are other types of mental illnesses which could be just as prevalent in this case?
Js psychopathy a mental illness?
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Js psychopathy a mental illness?
According to the dictionary it is.
Psychopathy: A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.
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According to the dictionary it is.
Psychopathy: A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.
It’s a personality disorder, not a mental illness imo. What mental illnesses have monetary greed and extreme self-centredness and violence at their root?
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According to the dictionary it is.
Psychopathy: A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.
It's not considered an illness though, it's a state of mind, a way of thinking.
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It's not considered an illness though, it's a state of mind, a way of thinking.
Does it matter what it is given the lack of evidence that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath? I wonder why we're not discussing anything relating to the thread title?
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Does it matter what it is given the lack of evidence that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath? I wonder why we're not discussing anything relating to the thread title?
There’s plenty of evidence of the former and none whatsoever for the latter so perhaps that’s why.
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There’s plenty of evidence of the former and none whatsoever for the latter so perhaps that’s why.
Anecdotal evidence by unqualified people is not a diagnosis.
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Anecdotal evidence by unqualified people is not a diagnosis.
I’m not pretending to be qualified or even offering a diagnosis, only an opinion. Of course Bamber WAS labelled a psychopath by a psychiatrist in his own defence team but you would prefer to ignore that. what a surprise.
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Anecdotal evidence by unqualified people is not a diagnosis.
He was classified as a psychopath by a qualified psychiatrist pre-trial. A psychiatrist hired by his own defence team.
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He was classified as a psychopath by a qualified psychiatrist pre-trial. A psychiatrist hired by his own defence team.
Allegedly.
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Allegedly.
There is nothing allegedly about it.
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Does it matter what it is given the lack of evidence that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath? I wonder why we're not discussing anything relating to the thread title?
Well G-unit, going through yesterday's posts from this distance, I'd say that your own posts are, in part, responsible for NOT discussing anything else.
It seems to me, reading you, you've taken up a particularly childish attitude in beating the "no evidence" drum -a stubborn refusal to even concede the possibility, despite all the numerous pointers to it, that he's been labelled as psychopathic shows a lack of critical thinking- which is strange if one considers that there's not a shred of evidence -save a convenient, but adequately medicated condition, which points to Sheila, yet you cling determinedly to her having been responsible.
Rant over. Enjoy the VE celebrations.
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Well G-unit, going through yesterday's posts from this distance, I'd say that your own posts are, in part, responsible for NOT discussing anything else.
It seems to me, reading you, you've taken up a particularly childish attitude in beating the "no evidence" drum -a stubborn refusal to even concede the possibility, despite all the numerous pointers to it, that he's been labelled as psychopathic shows a lack of critical thinking- which is strange if one considers that there's not a shred of evidence -save a convenient, but adequately medicated condition, which points to Sheila, yet you cling determinedly to her having been responsible.
Rant over. Enjoy the VE celebrations.
Indeed G-Unit challenges the belief that Bamber is a psychopath, but there is no record of her anywhere on this thread challenging the belief that Nevill was killed because of what he knew about paedophiles in Westminster. It was her initial challenge which took the thread off topic and then she has the cheek to ask why we’re not all discussing it.
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Indeed G-Unit challenges the belief that Bamber is a psychopath, but there is no record of her anywhere on this thread challenging the belief that Nevill was killed because of what he knew about paedophiles in Westminster. It was her initial challenge which took the thread off topic and then she has the cheek to ask why we’re not all discussing it.
If you look back you'll find it wasn't me who took the thread off topic; I responded to the person who did that.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg588828#msg588828
I didn't comment on AA's theory because I had nothing to say. I don't have enough knowledge of Nevill Bamber's life or business practices to comment. All I've seen is a suggestion that he wasn't universally loved and respected, which is not surprising considering that he was a successful businessman and a JP.
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If you look back you'll find it wasn't me who took the thread off topic; I responded to the person who did that.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg588828#msg588828
I didn't comment on AA's theory because I had nothing to say. I don't have enough knowledge of Nevill Bamber's life or business practices to comment. All I've seen is a suggestion that he wasn't universally loved and respected, which is not surprising considering that he was a successful businessman and a JP.
And you were eager to perpetuate the discussion on psychopathy, instead of trying to get the thread back on topic. Do you consider yourself sufficiently knowledgeable on Jeremy Bamber’s life to state with confidence that he is not a psychopath?
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And you were eager to perpetuate the discussion on psychopathy, instead of trying to get the thread back on topic. Do you consider yourself sufficiently knowledgeable on Jeremy Bamber’s life to state with confidence that he is not a psychopath?
I'm as knowledgeable on his life as you are. Taking all the bad things people have said about him he could be a psychopath. A lot of those things, however, were said by people with a motive to paint him in the worst possible light in my opinion.
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I'm as knowledgeable on his life as you are. Taking all the bad things people have said about him he could be a psychopath. A lot of those things, however, were said by people with a motive to paint him in the worst possible light in my opinion.
So you would agree then that based in the many independent descriptions of Bamber’s actions and behaviours and assuming that he is indeed guilty of the actions for which he was imprisoned that Bamber does tick many if not all the boxes of of a psychopath?
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So you would agree then that based in the many independent descriptions of Bamber’s actions and behaviours and assuming that he is indeed guilty of the actions for which he was imprisoned that Bamber does tick many if not all the boxes of of a psychopath?
I have never denied the possibility. A possibility isn't a fact, however, and some people are behaving as if it is. I would like to see it acknowleged as an opinion, which you seem to have confirmed is your view.
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I have never denied the possibility. A possibility isn't a fact, however, and some people are behaving as if it is. I would like to see it acknowleged as an opinion, which you seem to have confirmed is your view.
Of course it's an opinion. Even psychiatrists are only offering an opinion, albeit one based on extensive study of the subject.
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I have never denied the possibility. A possibility isn't a fact, however, and some people are behaving as if it is. I would like to see it acknowleged as an opinion, which you seem to have confirmed is your view.
It's a fact that he was classified as such by someone who was qualified to state it. You're even denying that!
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Why don't people understand that assertions aren't facts?
Why can’t people accept FACTS?
Jeremy Bamber was certified a psychopath whilst on remand by the prison psychiatrist.
Fact.
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'Excuses' is your word. I prefer 'possibilities'. The amateur psychiatrists on here seem to think they can make diagnoses.
Psychopaths or idiots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9LUVVb434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2NFrs910mk
And you think you can deduce that Jeremy Bamber isn’t a psychopath despite not being medically qualified, either?
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Each example, standing alone, like those 'reasons' given for ALL his behaviours/traits, I agree, are not. However when ALL those behaviours/traits are added together?............. a very clear picture starts to emerge which is rather different from the one Auntie A knew.
Off topic, I know...but did AA show any of JB’s letters?
I haven’t come across any...maybe I missed them
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They're isolated incidents which have been cobbled together to make him seem psychopathic, but many boys and men have done similar things. He had grown up in the same dysfunctional family as Sheila, remember. His mother was a religious maniac and his father wasn't very empathetic. He thought it was funny to pretend to reps that he was going to give them a big order when he wasn't and laughed his head off when a mouse frightened Barbara Wilson. David Boutflour had noticed that when the Pargeter children visited both Sheila and Jeremy felt unloved and pushed out.
You’re quoting what Jeremy Bamber claimed, and he’s a pathological liar.
I don’t believe for a second that Nevill pretended to reps that he was going to give them a big order and then laughed his head off at their disappointment. They’re the thoughts of a psychopath, and that psychopath is Jeremy Bamber. Nevill was a respectable hard-working businessman — as if he’d do an insane thing like that ?! And harm his reputation to boot! That’s what JEREMY would find fun.
As for the mouse, most men laugh when they see women screeching at seeing a mouse. They’re not laughing SADISTICALLY, they find the woman’s reaction funny as all they see themselves is a tiny mouse....
I bet Nevill wouldn’t have laughed had he caught you back heeling his little dog...and then saw you smirking.
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Why can’t people accept FACTS?
Jeremy Bamber was certified a psychopath whilst on remand by the prison psychiatrist.
Fact.
How can anyone interpret the following as evidence of psychopathy?
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How can anyone interpret the following as evidence of psychopathy?
How can they not?
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You’re quoting what Jeremy Bamber claimed, and he’s a pathological liar.
I don’t believe for a second that Nevill pretended to reps that he was going to give them a big order and then laughed his head off at their disappointment. They’re the thoughts of a psychopath, and that psychopath is Jeremy Bamber. Nevill was a respectable hard-working businessman — as if he’d do an insane thing like that ?! And harm his reputation to boot! That’s what JEREMY would find fun.
As for the mouse, most men laugh when they see women screeching at seeing a mouse. They’re not laughing SADISTICALLY, they find the woman’s reaction funny as all they see themselves is a tiny mouse....
I bet Nevill wouldn’t have laughed had he caught you back heeling his little dog...and then saw you smirking.
You are completely wrong. Colin Caffell told the story about the tricks paid on the reps. [w/s 11/9/85]
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How can anyone interpret the following as evidence of psychopathy?
If they want to believe something they probably don't need evidence. Or they don't understand what can be classed as bona fide evidence. Wilkes is offering an unattributed quote from an unnamed source, unlike CAL who cites all her sources. He might as well have used that favourite journalistic ploy 'a source said'.
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If they want to believe something they probably don't need evidence. Or they don't understand what can be classed as bona fide evidence. Wilkes is offering an unattributed quote from an unnamed source, unlike CAL who cites all her sources. He might as well have used that favourite journalistic ploy 'a source said'.
And it doesn't suit your particular stance so you ignore it.
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If they want to believe something they probably don't need evidence. Or they don't understand what can be classed as bona fide evidence. Wilkes is offering an unattributed quote from an unnamed source, unlike CAL who cites all her sources. He might as well have used that favourite journalistic ploy 'a source said'.
Also, the psychiatrist in also mentioned by CAL so the reference is good enough for her!
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If they want to believe something they probably don't need evidence. Or they don't understand what can be classed as bona fide evidence. Wilkes is offering an unattributed quote from an unnamed source, unlike CAL who cites all her sources. He might as well have used that favourite journalistic ploy 'a source said'.
Are you saying that if the source and psychiatrist were named you’d accept that Bamber was diagnosed as a psychopath? Or would you then simply look for another reason to reject the assessment?
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Also, the psychiatrist in also mentioned by CAL so the reference is good enough for her!
Her source was Wilkes and she points out that a real belief in their own innocence isn't a recognised psychopathic tendency, even though the psychiatrist allegedly referred to it as Bamber's chief symptom. That trait isn't mentioned in any of the literature on psychopathy that I have read.
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Her source was Wilkes and she points out that a real belief in their own innocence isn't a recognised psychopathic tendency, even though the psychiatrist allegedly referred to it as Bamber's chief symptom. That trait isn't mentioned in any of the literature on psychopathy that I have read.
Narcissism is a feature of psychopathy, agreed?
“Narcissists lack a mature conscience and are only restrained by the fear of being punished or having their reputations damaged. However, they will do something illegal, immoral, or violent if they believe that they can get away with it without being stopped or punished. Most narcissists truly don't feel responsible for their actions. They have convinced themselves that they are the victims of injustice, discrimination or prejudice”.
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Narcissism is a feature of psychopathy, agreed?
“Narcissists lack a mature conscience and are only restrained by the fear of being punished or having their reputations damaged. However, they will do something illegal, immoral, or violent if they believe that they can get away with it without being stopped or punished. Most narcissists truly don't feel responsible for their actions. They have convinced themselves that they are the victims of injustice, discrimination or prejudice”.
No, narcissism isn't a feature of psychopathy, it's a different condition, although there are similarities between the two.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/spycatcher/201712/narcissist-or-psychopath-how-can-you-tell
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No, narcissism isn't a feature of psychopathy, it's a different condition, although there are similarities between the two.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/spycatcher/201712/narcissist-or-psychopath-how-can-you-tell
Pyschopaths are just narcissists to the nth degree, with added predatory and often violent tendencies, that’s how it reads to me.
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What Is a Psychopath Compared to a Narcissist?
According to the Society for the Scientific Study of Psychopathy, narcissism is an interpersonal symptom of psychopathy. Indeed, symptoms of narcissism like grandiosity, exploitive behavior and a lack of empathy are common in psychopaths. A psychopath could, and likely would, easily fit the diagnosis for narcissistic personality disorder as well, therefore, psychopaths are narcissists. (Relationship Between Psychopathy and Personality Disorders)
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
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It seems like that to you, perhaps. In the real world these examples are not evidence of psychopathy.
Shooting two little boys dead is, though...
As is killing your parents and sister for MONEY
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Don't exaggerate. Colin Caffell, who knew June Bamber, called her a monster. Lacking empathy does not a psychopath make.
Cite please
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Her source was Wilkes and she points out that a real belief in their own innocence isn't a recognised psychopathic tendency, even though the psychiatrist allegedly referred to it as Bamber's chief symptom. That trait isn't mentioned in any of the literature on psychopathy that I have read.
However, their grandiose view of their own self importance would suggest that they would. A rose by any other name..........
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It’s a personality disorder, not a mental illness imo. What mental illnesses have monetary greed and extreme self-centredness and violence at their root?
You’re right, VS
Psychopathy is not a mental illness
It’s a Personality Disorder, which is different. It’s also incurable and untreatable.
Some psychopathic murderers who’ve killed children for sex can be chemically castrated, but it doesn’t treat the desire. They will still be attracted to children. In just the way an alcoholic who stops drinking will always struggle with their desire for alcohol, so will sexual deviants, paedophiles, serial rapists etc...
With Jeremy Bamber’s psychopathy there are no drugs that can give him empathy, normal emotions, or a conscience. He is like a living “dead” person and nothing can change the wiring of his brain. He doesn’t need chemically castrating as sex wasn’t his motive to kill: his motive was greed and lust for money, power and control — which he still to this day displays. If a minority of people can’t see he hasn’t changed after almost half a century, it’s no wonder people fall by the wayside when trying to help them understand what they’re dealing with, and how he ends up hurting them once he has no further use of them.
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Cite please
Rainbows End page 758 (Kindle). A 'religious monster' he called June.
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If you look back you'll find it wasn't me who took the thread off topic; I responded to the person who did that.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg588828#msg588828
I didn't comment on AA's theory because I had nothing to say. I don't have enough knowledge of Nevill Bamber's life or business practices to comment. All I've seen is a suggestion that he wasn't universally loved and respected, which is not surprising considering that he was a successful businessman and a JP.
Haha, I read and head the very opposite
Nevill was very well respected — immensely so
He was revered, in fact
He was also well-liked and popular due tipoffs him being friendly, gregarious, welcoming, enjoying a party, company, drinks with friends...
You’ve said the complete opposite 😂
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I'm as knowledgeable on his life as you are. Taking all the bad things people have said about him he could be a psychopath. A lot of those things, however, were said by people with a motive to paint him in the worst possible light in my opinion.
No-one needs a motive to paint him in any light...he did that himself when he killed his family
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It's a fact that he was classified as such by someone who was qualified to state it. You're even denying that!
Is it worth discussing with someone who refuses to see?🙈
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How can anyone interpret the following as evidence of psychopathy?
Not THAT again, please....zzzz
We’re discussing his diagnoses when on remand
Please try and keep up with the discussion: it’s wearying reading the sam etching repeatedly
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You are completely wrong. Colin Caffell told the story about the tricks paid on the reps. [w/s 11/9/85]
Cite please
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No, narcissism isn't a feature of psychopathy, it's a different condition, although there are similarities between the two.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/spycatcher/201712/narcissist-or-psychopath-how-can-you-tell
What on Earth have you been reading?
Narcissism is a TRAIT of psychopathy!
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Also, the psychiatrist in also mentioned by CAL so the reference is good enough for her!
Gunit and Holly don’t want to believe Consultant Psychiatrits.
How odd....
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What Is a Psychopath Compared to a Narcissist?
According to the Society for the Scientific Study of Psychopathy, narcissism is an interpersonal symptom of psychopathy. Indeed, symptoms of narcissism like grandiosity, exploitive behavior and a lack of empathy are common in psychopaths. A psychopath could, and likely would, easily fit the diagnosis for narcissistic personality disorder as well, therefore, psychopaths are narcissists. (Relationship Between Psychopathy and Personality Disorders)
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
Gunit won’t like that, VS
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Rainbows End page 758 (Kindle). A 'religious monster' he called June.
Slight difference in terminology there
Colin was making reference to June’s religious obsession, it’s quite obvious 🙄
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What Is a Psychopath Compared to a Narcissist?
According to the Society for the Scientific Study of Psychopathy, narcissism is an interpersonal symptom of psychopathy. Indeed, symptoms of narcissism like grandiosity, exploitive behavior and a lack of empathy are common in psychopaths. A psychopath could, and likely would, easily fit the diagnosis for narcissistic personality disorder as well, therefore, psychopaths are narcissists. (Relationship Between Psychopathy and Personality Disorders)
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
However, just because there is some crossover and a person fits the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder does not mean that he or she is also a psychopath. In order to be considered a psychopath, many other psychopathic symptoms such as a lack of attachment to others, superficial charm, dishonesty, manipulativeness and reckless risk-taking come into play. Certainly, psychopathic narcissists exist, but they are not the norm.
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
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However, just because there is some crossover and a person fits the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder does not mean that he or she is also a psychopath. In order to be considered a psychopath, many other psychopathic symptoms such as a lack of attachment to others, superficial charm, dishonesty, manipulativeness and reckless risk-taking come into play. Certainly, psychopathic narcissists exist, but they are not the norm.
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
I think it’s fair to say it’s all a matter of opinion depending on which expert you speak to. I’m struggling to think of a diagnosed psychopath who didn’t also exhibit narcissistic traits - perhaps you know of one?
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Rainbows End page 758 (Kindle). A 'religious monster' he called June.
But as it isn't clear whether he was referring to June or religion per se, as an atheist, I suspect he was speaking about religion.
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However, just because there is some crossover and a person fits the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder does not mean that he or she is also a psychopath. In order to be considered a psychopath, many other psychopathic symptoms such as a lack of attachment to others, superficial charm, dishonesty, manipulativeness and reckless risk-taking come into play. Certainly, psychopathic narcissists exist, but they are not the norm.
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
You do realise you’ve just described JB to a tee, don’t you?😳
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However, just because there is some crossover and a person fits the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder does not mean that he or she is also a psychopath. In order to be considered a psychopath, many other psychopathic symptoms such as a lack of attachment to others, superficial charm, dishonesty, manipulativeness and reckless risk-taking come into play. Certainly, psychopathic narcissists exist, but they are not the norm.
https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths
All of those things apply to Jeremy. Just think about the caravan park incident!
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But as it isn't clear whether he was referring to June or religion per se, as an atheist, I suspect he was speaking about religion.
Whatever her motivations he saw her behaviour towards her daughter as 'ritualised abuse'...'a form of brainwashing'. She certainly overstepped the limits when she ignored Sheila and Colin's wishes for the twins. In my opinion she was a bully and a control freak who used religion as a justification for her behaviour.
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Whatever her motivations he saw her behaviour towards her daughter as 'ritualised abuse'...'a form of brainwashing'. She certainly overstepped the limits when she ignored Sheila and Colin's wishes for the twins. In my opinion she was a bully and a control freak who used religion as a justification for her behaviour.
You haven’t replied to the responses saying you’ve described Jeremy to a tee. Why’s that?
Perhaps you can’t...
Whatever, if you’re saying June had such a detrimental effect on Sheila, surely her behaviour had an effect on Jeremy too? That’s providing he had normal emotions, of course...
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I think it’s fair to say it’s all a matter of opinion depending on which expert you speak to. I’m struggling to think of a diagnosed psychopath who didn’t also exhibit narcissistic traits - perhaps you know of one?
Timothy McVeigh
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Timothy McVeigh
How do you know he didn't?
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How do you know he didn't?
He wasn't really known as narcissistic, or even outgoing, but was 'diagnosed' as a psychopath.
https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm (https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm)
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You haven’t replied to the responses saying you’ve described Jeremy to a tee. Why’s that?
Perhaps you can’t...
Whatever, if you’re saying June had such a detrimental effect on Sheila, surely her behaviour had an effect on Jeremy too? That’s providing he had normal emotions, of course...
I'm repeating what other people said about June's effect on Sheila. There's not much information about how she affected Jeremy.
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He wasn't really known as narcissistic, or even outgoing, but was 'diagnosed' as a psychopath.
https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm (https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm)
He could be a covert narcissist https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/communication-success/201601/7-signs-covert-introvert-narcissist
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He wasn't really known as narcissistic, or even outgoing, but was 'diagnosed' as a psychopath.
https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm (https://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/bombp8.htm)
“Oklahoma City brought him status. And the government he despised handed him the chance to prolong that status when, just days before his original May 16 execution date, the FBI disclosed newly discovered documents that had never been turned over to defense attorneys.
The foul-up gave McVeigh another 25 days of life and brought him yet more attention.
It played into what the prosecution psychologist said was “a combination of [McVeigh’s] narcissism and boredom, and there may be certain grandiose fantasies too.”
“In the narcissism there is a sense of being a legend in one’s own mind,” said the psychologist, who asked that his name be withheld because of his work for the government. “There’s an inflation of one’s self and one’s importance, and sometimes there’s even a sense of immortality, that somehow your execution or death is not real. It becomes so pervaded with grandiosity that, instead of being frightened of death, it’s embraced.
“And he was a sensation seeker. To the max. And being in prison, particularly in general isolation, it’s just exceedingly boring. Particularly if you’re drawn to sensation. He would be deeply bored, enough to feel it consciously day in and day out.”
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A psychologist who studied him at length for the government said that McVeigh’s strong narcissistic tendencies, coupled with years of prison isolation, have brought on a grandiose sense of self. “There’s even a sense of immortality here, that somehow execution or death is not real,” the psychologist said. “Instead of being frightened of death, he embraces it.”
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“Oklahoma City brought him status. And the government he despised handed him the chance to prolong that status when, just days before his original May 16 execution date, the FBI disclosed newly discovered documents that had never been turned over to defense attorneys.
The foul-up gave McVeigh another 25 days of life and brought him yet more attention.
It played into what the prosecution psychologist said was “a combination of [McVeigh’s] narcissism and boredom, and there may be certain grandiose fantasies too.”
“In the narcissism there is a sense of being a legend in one’s own mind,” said the psychologist, who asked that his name be withheld because of his work for the government. “There’s an inflation of one’s self and one’s importance, and sometimes there’s even a sense of immortality, that somehow your execution or death is not real. It becomes so pervaded with grandiosity that, instead of being frightened of death, it’s embraced.
“And he was a sensation seeker. To the max. And being in prison, particularly in general isolation, it’s just exceedingly boring. Particularly if you’re drawn to sensation. He would be deeply bored, enough to feel it consciously day in and day out.”
Objection: prosecution psychologist is not neutral.
Sustained.
Thank you, your honour.
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Objection: prosecution psychologist is not neutral.
Sustained.
Thank you, your honour.
You mean like the one in the Bamber case who classified their client to be a psychopath? @)(++(*
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You mean like the one in the Bamber case who found classified their client to be a psychopath? @)(++(*
That sentence made my eye hurt. But yes, I suppose.
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Objection: prosecution psychologist is not neutral.
Sustained.
Thank you, your honour.
Present evidence that McVeigh was judged to be a non-narcissistic psychopath by a neutral psychologist then, and you will have made your point.
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Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher knew about an alleged paedophile ring among the Conservative Party in the 1980s, according to the Sunday Mirror.
Ex-Tory activist Anthony Gilberthorpe told the newspaper he was asked to supply cabinet ministers with underage boys for illicit sex parties.
Mr Gilberthorpe claims he handed Thatcher the names of those involved 31 years ago but no action was taken into alleged child sex abuse involving MPs and wider institutions such as the NHS, Secret Service, the Church and the BBC.
Neville Bamber was a wealthy landowner and farmer. His status within both the community and further afield would have without doubt brought him into contact with individuals within a similar class status and beyond Essex.
Prior to the killings at WHF it is recorded that Neville received a phone call, a call that worried him, possibly frightened him.
What was that phone call about?
Was it a threat?
Was Neville the target and killed because he held knowledge that could bring some people in high authority down?
Such things are not unheard of.
Please, watch the whole video, I’ll be back in a few hours and hopefully we can discuss this in a manner without personal attacks etc. I am here only to debate this theory and will ignore questions outside of this subject.
I look forward to your help.
https://youtu.be/PnZiDxkwgrU
Sónia Poulton. Writer, journalist, broadcaster. http://www.soniapoulton.co.uk/
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Not just of that. It could have been fraud, homosexuality, a death..
I have no idea yet what is is/was.
Question is: could he have been the recipient of something illegal/criminal and was he killed as a result?
If that is so, taking into account the phone call he received, then my theory would/could fit into some of the unusual events that night.
All I ask is debate with an open mind.
I have no idea what happened inside the house..that’s where your expertise lies.
I believe a lot of evidence including the silencer is just smoke and mirrors. A mere distraction.
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Sónia Poultons work and investigations have been shared worldwide.
As the video continues Sónia goes into great depth about cover ups, how officers are restricted from bringing any allegations against those in public office or profile.
Dismiss the Freemasonary connection, it is irrelevant based on the info contained in here.
It was widely known that some people in the establishment had a taste and a thirst for the perverse.
If one is not prepared to look at our history and what was happening during the period of the WHF murders, then this cannot be a debate.
It does not matter when this was made as we are specifically focussing (in this debate) on the establishment and the cover up of the 80’s.
This video and it’s factual research plainly gives an alternative perspective on the murders, which I would like to peruse.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”
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I'm repeating what other people said about June's effect on Sheila. There's not much information about how she affected Jeremy.
That would be because psychopaths don’t have normal emotions, so June’s religious obsession or possible overbearing character wouldn’t have bothered him emotionally. It would have only bothered him when he thought he wasn’t getting what he thought he was entitled to from her e.g. MONEY
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That would be because psychopaths don’t have normal emotions, so June’s religious obsession or possible overbearing character wouldn’t have bothered him emotionally. It would have only bothered him when he thought he wasn’t getting what he thought he was entitled to from her e.g. MONEY
Or fair treatment. June was planning a regular allowance for Sheila. That would have ended her Social Security payments of course (if she declared it).
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Or fair treatment. June was planning a regular allowance for Sheila. That would have ended her Social Security payments of course (if she declared it).
Fair treatment? Are you joking? Two trips to the other side of the world, bail out money, a free car, free fuel, a house, shares in the caravan park ........ what don't you think was fair?
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Fair treatment? Are you joking? Two trips to the other side of the world, bail out money, a free car, free fuel, a house, shares in the caravan park ........ what don't you think was fair?
He was well paid for a farm worker but he worked long hours.
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He was well paid for a farm worker but he worked long hours.
Was he paid or did he take a wage,there's a difference.
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Was he paid or did he take a wage,there's a difference.
Why?
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He was well paid for a farm worker but he worked long hours.
The simple fact of him being there doesn't necessarily equate with him putting his back into working.
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The simple fact of him being there doesn't necessarily equate with him putting his back into working.
Did any of the other farm workers complain about him not pulling his weight?
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Did any of the other farm workers complain about him not pulling his weight?
Yes.
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Yes.
Who?
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Who?
I'm looking (knew that would be your next question @)(++(*)
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I'm looking (knew that would be your next question @)(++(*)
I look forward to you finding it. Goodnight 8((()*/
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Yes.
OK, found it - he doesn't actually say that Jeremy didn't pull his weight but that he didn't seem to have an interest in farming and was more concerned about living the high life. The farm hand is called Alan Russell Fraser-Bell.
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He isn't saying Jeremy didn't pull his weight, just that he wasn't keen on the job he was doing. It is quite isolating and he seemed to like interaction such as in bar work.
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He isn't saying Jeremy didn't pull his weight, just that he wasn't keen on the job he was doing. It is quite isolating and he seemed to like interaction such as in bar work.
That's a euphemistic way of saying the same thing, isn't it? It goes without saying that, if our heart isn't in something, we don't do it to the best of our ability. One of Nevill's friends said that Nevill couldn't trust that Jeremy would fully complete a task. He had to be checked up on. Another said something similar, ie he made a lot of noise about doing something, but when checked up on, had left the farm. These aren't the actions of someone dedicated to a career of choice.
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That's a euphemistic way of saying the same thing, isn't it? It goes without saying that, if our heart isn't in something, we don't do it to the best of our ability. One of Nevill's friends said that Nevill couldn't trust that Jeremy would fully complete a task. He had to be checked up on. Another said something similar, ie he made a lot of noise about doing something, but when checked up on, had left the farm. These aren't the actions of someone dedicated to a career of choice.
It wasn't his career of choice so it's hardly surprising. My mother paid for a secretarial course and I worked in offices and hated it. I changed to manual work, working with girls my own age and was much happier. Thirty years later I returned to education, got a degree and enjoyed office-based work until retirement. Girls like me didn't think of careers in those days. I just wanted money for clothes and socialising.
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He isn't saying Jeremy didn't pull his weight, just that he wasn't keen on the job he was doing. It is quite isolating and he seemed to like interaction such as in bar work.
No, but there is someone else who said he didn't, but I don't remember where I read it. I've been reading about this case for a long while and you just forget some things. If I find it I'll post it.
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Or fair treatment. June was planning a regular allowance for Sheila. That would have ended her Social Security payments of course (if she declared it).
You don’t know how Sheila received those payments from her mother, Gunit. They may have come out of a trust fund which would have been perfectly legal when Sheila received payments from Social Security when she was unwell, and was entitled to them. Bit late in the day for you to crow about that...
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The simple fact of him being there doesn't necessarily equate with him putting his back into working.
He must have spent some time on his secret marijuana crop...
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It wasn't his career of choice so it's hardly surprising. My mother paid for a secretarial course and I worked in offices and hated it. I changed to manual work, working with girls my own age and was much happier. Thirty years later I returned to education, got a degree and enjoyed office-based work until retirement. Girls like me didn't think of careers in those days. I just wanted money for clothes and socialising.
But Jeremy never aspired to ANY career.
He failed at school and put no effort in.
He was too lazy to sit on a tractor.
From what he himself said all he wanted to do was act like a playboy, drive a brand new Porsche, go travelling, scuba diving...and maybe open up a bistro after killing his family so everyone else could do do the donkey work while he pounced around showing off in his Raybans and Porsche.
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But Jeremy never aspired to ANY career.
He failed at school and put no effort in.
He was too lazy to sit on a tractor.
From what he himself said all he wanted to do was act like a playboy, drive a brand new Porsche, go travelling, scuba diving...and maybe open up a bistro after killing his family so everyone else could do do the donkey work while he pounced around showing off in his Raybans and Porsche.
He was the forerunner of so many of today's young who aspire only to becoming 'celebrities'!!!
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He was the forerunner of so many of today's young who aspire only to becoming 'celebrities'!!!
Well, the talentless “celebrities” of today who appear on reality shows have their 15 minutes of “fame”, but as silly as they look they don’t shoot dead all their family to get into the public eye.
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But Jeremy never aspired to ANY career.
He failed at school and put no effort in.
He was too lazy to sit on a tractor.
From what he himself said all he wanted to do was act like a playboy, drive a brand new Porsche, go travelling, scuba diving...and maybe open up a bistro after killing his family so everyone else could do do the donkey work while he pounced around showing off in his Raybans and Porsche.
Someone on the other forum I was on, and who writes to JB, says he is dyslexic. I don't know whether or not that's true, but if it is, it would (at least partially ) explain his not liking school, not working hard at school, not settling into a career, being bullied at school, bullying others, and being an arrogant show off. I taught dyslexic students for many years, and some of them (understandably) have a big, big chip on their shoulders!
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Someone on the other forum I was on, and who writes to JB, says he is dyslexic. I don't know whether or not that's true, but if it is, it would (at least partially ) explain his not liking school, not working hard at school, not settling into a career, being bullied at school, bullying others, and being an arrogant show off. I taught dyslexic students for many years, and some of them (understandably) have a big, big chip on their shoulders!
There are examples of his handwriting here. I've not seen anything in them to suggest dyslexia.
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Someone on the other forum I was on, and who writes to JB, says he is dyslexic. I don't know whether or not that's true, but if it is, it would (at least partially ) explain his not liking school, not working hard at school, not settling into a career, being bullied at school, bullying others, and being an arrogant show off. I taught dyslexic students for many years, and some of them (understandably) have a big, big chip on their shoulders!
It might also be that he was a little ****.
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Someone on the other forum I was on, and who writes to JB, says he is dyslexic. I don't know whether or not that's true, but if it is, it would (at least partially ) explain his not liking school, not working hard at school, not settling into a career, being bullied at school, bullying others, and being an arrogant show off. I taught dyslexic students for many years, and some of them (understandably) have a big, big chip on their shoulders!
He isn’t dyslexic. That’s another of his mad lies.
Surely you’ve seen some of his letters?!
He isn’t dyslexic at all! In fact, doesn’t he teach fellow inmates how to write?
And he translates books into Braille ...that has to be one of his thickest lies, ever. He’s obviously made that up as to why he was such a flop at school. He was never diagnosed with dyslexia; he was chronically lazy.
Dyslexia became well-known about 20 years ago, and lots of celebrities started saying they were dyslexic, just like bi-polar became “popular” for attention seekers...then OCD...now we have Gluten intolerance which is all the rage.
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Someone on the other forum I was on, and who writes to JB, says he is dyslexic. I don't know whether or not that's true, but if it is, it would (at least partially ) explain his not liking school, not working hard at school, not settling into a career, being bullied at school, bullying others, and being an arrogant show off. I taught dyslexic students for many years, and some of them (understandably) have a big, big chip on their shoulders!
Are you able to identify this other forum?
First I've heard he suffers from dyslexia. I didn't detect anything like this in his correspondence.
Where does being bullied/bullying others come from?
He obtained 7 O levels from Greshams but flunked his A levels at Colchester college.
A former girlfriend said he was passionate about farming.
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Are you able to identify this other forum?
First I've heard he suffers from dyslexia. I didn't detect anything like this in his correspondence.
Where does being bullied/bullying others come from?
He obtained 7 O levels from Greshams but flunked his A levels at Colchester college.
A former girlfriend said he was passionate about farming.
"A former girlfriend said he was passionate about farming". I wonder what that, EXACTLY, means? One of the things my late partner was "passionate" about was astrophysics. He could talk, knowledgeably and forever, on the subject, but as someone with zero interest in it, I didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Less would definitely have been more. From the evidence, of what seems to have been Jeremy's plans for his future, farming appears to have been as high on his to do list, as is astrophysics, on my own.
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There are examples of his handwriting here. I've not seen anything in them to suggest dyslexia.
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He isn’t dyslexic. That’s another of his mad lies.
Surely you’ve seen some of his letters?!
He isn’t dyslexic at all! In fact, doesn’t he teach fellow inmates how to write?
And he translates books into Braille ...that has to be one of his thickest lies, ever. He’s obviously made that up as to why he was such a flop at school. He was never diagnosed with dyslexia; he was chronically lazy.
Dyslexia became well-known about 20 years ago, and lots of celebrities started saying they were dyslexic, just like bi-polar became “popular” for attention seekers...then OCD...now we have Gluten intolerance which is all the rage.
My daughter started school in 1972. I was surprised to see mirror writing in her school books, particularly b's and d's. I thought it was something to do with her eyes, it was only when dyslexia became well-known that I learned it was a symptom of that.
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My daughter started school in 1972. I was surprised to see mirror writing in her school books, particularly b's and d's. I thought it was something to do with her eyes, it was only when dyslexia became well-known that I learned it was a symptom of that.
My eldest son has dyslexia. He was lazy and stupid. He got a Two One in Geography. I am only so sorry that I didn't know what Dyslexia was. But I did know that he wasn't lazy or stupid. But I was fighting a sticky wicket because I didn't understand. He managed on his own in the end.
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My eldest son has dyslexia. He was lazy and stupid. He got a Two One in Geography. I am only so sorry that I didn't know what Dyslexia was. But I did know that he wasn't lazy or stupid. But I was fighting a sticky wicket because I didn't understand. He managed on his own in the end.
It affected my daughter and she fell behind. I made a fuss and I was very lucky because it was a BFPO school and the headmaster's wife was a remedial teacher who wasn't working because she'd accompanied her husband abroad. They arranged for her to work with my daughter and she improved greatly. Dyslexia was never mentioned, but this teacher was able to help my daughter get on track.
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My eldest son has dyslexia. He was lazy and stupid. He got a Two One in Geography. I am only so sorry that I didn't know what Dyslexia was. But I did know that he wasn't lazy or stupid. But I was fighting a sticky wicket because I didn't understand. He managed on his own in the end.
For a long time dyslexia just wasn't recognised by anyone, particularly educationalists and children (mainly boys) just didn't do well at school and in many cases were just written off.
A few years ago my friend decided to jump ship and retrain as a teacher. It was only when she was well into training that it was discovered she was dyslexic. The penny dropped with her regarding her sons, they were tested and both were found to be dyslexic.
Identifying what the problem is quite often resolves many issues as it did for those three.
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It affected my daughter and she fell behind. I made a fuss and I was very lucky because it was a BFPO school and the headmaster's wife was a remedial teacher who wasn't working because she'd accompanied her husband abroad. They arranged for her to work with my daughter and she improved greatly. Dyslexia was never mentioned, but this teacher was able to help my daughter get on track.
I am 'dyslexic' with numbers (dyscalculia) and that has always been a real drawback.
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I am 'dyslexic' with numbers (dyscalculia) and that has always been a real drawback.
Me too. I had to train myself to write phone numbers down very carefully and read them back to check because I'd get them wrong if I didn't. I once got 3% in a Math test, and two of the marks were for my name and the date. Strangely I spent the last 20 years of my working life in accountancy thanks to calculators, accounting packages and spreadsheets.
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It affected my daughter and she fell behind. I made a fuss and I was very lucky because it was a BFPO school and the headmaster's wife was a remedial teacher who wasn't working because she'd accompanied her husband abroad. They arranged for her to work with my daughter and she improved greatly. Dyslexia was never mentioned, but this teacher was able to help my daughter get on track.
Strangely enough my son's problems began in Singapore when he first went to school at the age of Five and then got worse after we returned to England. I should have known that something was wrong but I had no bench mark and didn't know how to help him.
Sometimes an Off Topic Splurge helps me to understand how people feel and to be better at Moderating. Should this even be important or even part of the job.
Please try to be a little more kind.
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Strangely enough my son's problems began in Singapore when he first went to school at the age of Five and then got worse after we returned to England. I should have known that something was wrong but I had no bench mark and didn't know how to help him.
Sometimes an Off Topic Splurge helps me to understand how people feel and to be better at Moderating. Should this even be important or even part of the job.
Please try to be a little more kind.
I'm kind, but I'm not a walkover. If people challenge me I retaliate.
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I'm kind, but I'm not a walkover. If people challenge me I retaliate.
I try not to.
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I try not to.
I don't understand why you think it's kind to let people be nasty to you?
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Are you able to identify this other forum?
First I've heard he suffers from dyslexia. I didn't detect anything like this in his correspondence.
Where does being bullied/bullying others come from?
He obtained 7 O levels from Greshams but flunked his A levels at Colchester college.
A former girlfriend said he was passionate about farming.
It was a Facebook forum, and I think it started when the TV series was on in January/February. I'm not on it any more, and I don't even know if it's still active.
People were discussing why JB writes in capitals, and one poster (who writes to JB regularly) said he is dyslexic.
From my years and years of teaching dyslexic children and adults, I would say that some like to write in capitals and some don't. Writing in capitals is not, as far as I'm aware, a hallmark of dyslexia.
I wondered whether JB might have been diagnosed while in prison. IF it's true that he's dyslexic, I would expect that to be the case, as it was barely known about in the days when JB was at school.
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I am 'dyslexic' with numbers (dyscalculia) and that has always been a real drawback.
Ha! So am I!! I know just where you're coming from!!!
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It was a Facebook forum, and I think it started when the TV series was on in January/February. I'm not on it any more, and I don't even know if it's still active.
People were discussing why JB writes in capitals, and one poster (who writes to JB regularly) said he is dyslexic.
From my years and years of teaching dyslexic children and adults, I would say that some like to write in capitals and some don't. Writing in capitals is not, as far as I'm aware, a hallmark of dyslexia.
I wondered whether JB might have been diagnosed while in prison. IF it's true that he's dyslexic, I would expect that to be the case, as it was barely known about in the days when JB was at school.
Thanks.
I didn't detect anything in his correspondence to suggest he suffered any learning disability although I say this as a lay person.
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I'm kind, but I'm not a walkover. If people challenge me I retaliate.
You are quite patronising - many of us have studied this case for years and read most of the documentation - probably forgot more than you will ever know. However, you seem to have just read CAL and although that is a good source of information you act like you know it all. You may not mean to come over this way, but that's my interpretation.
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I don't understand why you think it's kind to let people be nasty to you?
Perhaps that's why I frequently experience your answers as hostile. Might it be that you believe posters will be nasty to you if you're not?
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You are quite patronising - many of us have studied this case for years and read most of the documentation - probably forgot more than you will ever know. However, you seem to have just read CAL and although that is a good source of information you act like you know it all. You may not mean to come over this way, but that's my interpretation.
As you say, it's a matter of interpretation. Others see me differently.
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I don't understand why you think it's kind to let people be nasty to you?
It is irrelevant. They aren't being nasty to me personally. I am just the figure of authority. That is what they don't like.
I rode through that one a very long time ago. I am now impervious. You will get there in the end.
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It is irrelevant. They aren't being nasty to me personally. I am just the figure of authority. That is what they don't like.
I rode through that one a very long time ago. I am now impervious. You will get there in the end.
Well I'm not a figure of authority, so our situations are different.
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As you say, it's a matter of interpretation. Others see me differently.
People you know maybe.
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It is irrelevant. They aren't being nasty to me personally. I am just the figure of authority. That is what they don't like.
I rode through that one a very long time ago. I am now impervious. You will get there in the end.
Ha ing been a mod on the other forum, I never saw myself as a figure of authority. I don't mind moderators, they organise the chaos @)(++(*
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Perhaps that's why I frequently experience your answers as hostile. Might it be that you believe posters will be nasty to you if you're not?
It seems some people interpret my posting style as hostile and others don't. I try to make my posts accurate and informative and I prefer arguments to include verifiable facts rather than opinion.
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People you know maybe.
I know no-one on this forum and I have debated amicably with those whose views differ to mine.
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I know no-one on this forum and I have debated amicably with those whose views differ to mine.
You have an undertone of being patronising, I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that way.
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Well I'm not a figure of authority, so our situations are different.
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Of course you are, whether you like it or not. That is the point. You don't actually have to do anything.
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I know no-one on this forum and I have debated amicably with those whose views differ to mine.
I wonder if they experience you as "amicable"? Might it be that they feel your demeaning tone denies them the right to respond?
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I wonder if they experience you as "amicable"? Might it be that they feel your demeaning tone denies them the right to respond?
G-Unit isn't demeaning anyone; Certainly no more than you do.
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G-Unit isn't demeaning anyone; Certainly no more than you do.
Eleanor, I'm sorry you experience me so. Perhaps you could give me an example. I would just like to say, whilst your post accuses ME of being demeaning, it was G-Unit's tone, not her person, I accredited the description to.
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Of course you are, whether you like it or not. That is the point. You don't actually have to do anything.
$*6%
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Eleanor, I'm sorry you experience me so. Perhaps you could give me an example. I would just like to say, whilst your post accuses ME of being demeaning, it was G-Unit's tone, not her person, I accredited the description to.
Not just you. I think that most of you are awful. And after many years on The McCann Forum that is saying something.
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Eleanor, I'm sorry you experience me so. Perhaps you could give me an example. I would just like to say, whilst your post accuses ME of being demeaning, it was G-Unit's tone, not her person, I accredited the description to.
I must say I find your tone quite harsh at times too. Accusing me of 'covering up' and 'side stepping' is insulting in my opinion. It's also nothing to do with my tone; its an attempt to analyse my motives or character imo, which you know nothing about;
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11474.msg589906#msg589906
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11474.msg589874#msg589874
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I must say I find your tone quite harsh at times too. Accusing me of 'covering up' and 'side stepping' is insulting in my opinion. It's also nothing to do with my tone; its an attempt to analyse my motives or character imo, which you know nothing about;
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11474.msg589906#msg589906
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11474.msg589874#msg589874
What you perceived as "harshness", G-Unit, came, probably arose out of irritation because you refused to give a straight answer to something asked of you three times, and the tone you adopted - mistakenly, in this case, one of having greater understanding than others, perhaps?- by so doing. Maybe you'd prefer the term "doing a segway"? I believe it was Eleanor who confirmed you as an authoritative figure, "whether you like it or not".
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I know no-one on this forum and I have debated amicably with those whose views differ to mine.
Yeah we don't share the same views on MM but we got on OK over the way. I always found your posts the most reliable.
I think we first met on one of the off-topic threads about #me too where we had a feisty debate!
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Not just you. I think that most of you are awful. And after many years on The McCann Forum that is saying something.
Blimey Mitch, are you still alive? When can I have that nice sausage dog?
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What you perceived as "harshness", G-Unit, came, probably arose out of irritation because you refused to give a straight answer to something asked of you three times, and the tone you adopted - mistakenly, in this case, one of having greater understanding than others, perhaps?- by so doing. Maybe you'd prefer the term "doing a segway"? I believe it was Eleanor who confirmed you as an authoritative figure, "whether you like it or not".
I don't have to confirm anything. And G-Unit is not obliged to answer your questions.
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You are quite patronising - many of us have studied this case for years and read most of the documentation - probably forgot more than you will ever know. However, you seem to have just read CAL and although that is a good source of information you act like you know it all. You may not mean to come over this way, but that's my interpretation.
Many have studied the case for years but I think we both know of some who will never grasp as much as G-Unit has in a relatively short space of time 8(0(*
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Many have studied the case for years but I think we both know of some who will never grasp as much as G-Unit has in a relatively short space of time 8(0(*
Are you referring to Aunt Agatha Holly ?
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Are you referring to Aunt Agatha Holly ?
Nope. Caro and Apes will know who I'm referring to.
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Anyway ladies perhaps we could all be a little more tolerant of the posting styles of others.
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Nope. Caro and Apes will know who I'm referring to.
A troop of gorillas in the North East, you mean?
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A troop of gorillas in the North East, you mean?
Swing the compass some 90 degrees anti clockwise 8(0(*
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It is irrelevant. They aren't being nasty to me personally. I am just the figure of authority. That is what they don't like.
I rode through that one a very long time ago. I am now impervious. You will get there in the end.
I ran my own forum many years ago and certainly didn’t see myself as a figure of authority 😤
But I have seen moderators on forums who feel incredibly important.... @)(++(*
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As you say, it's a matter of interpretation. Others see me differently.
But you must know when you’re being nasty, Gunit
You said how you secretly smirked when your friend said her dog avoided you after you'd back-heeled him on his nose...the fact you smirked afterwards shows you got some strange kind of pleasure from hurting him
Dont you think that’s nasty?
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You have an undertone of being patronising, I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that way.
You’re not the only one, Caroline...
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Not just you. I think that most of you are awful. And after many years on The McCann Forum that is saying something.
So why do you stay, Eleanor.
This isn’t a job; you don’t get paid.
Why subject yourself to reading through awful people’s posts when you could be doing something far more entertaining and far more healthy?
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It seems some people interpret my posting style as hostile and others don't. I try to make my posts accurate and informative and I prefer arguments to include verifiable facts rather than opinion.
I have never found your posts either patronising or hostile. Interesting that this is being discussed though, as I left another forum because I disliked the aggressive tone in which one particular person replied to me (and sometimes to others). However, nobody else seemed to find it a problem. Oh well--------.
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I ran my own forum many years ago and certainly didn’t see myself as a figure of authority 😤
But I have seen moderators on forums who feel incredibly important.... @)(++(*
As a moderator, I certainly don't see myself as an authority figure, just as someone attempting to help keep the forum running in an orderly manner.
Did see myself as "in authority" when I was teaching in secondary schools though----I had to, otherwise nobody would have learned anything, and I would have lost my job.
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Nope. Caro and Apes will know who I'm referring to.
I don't know any apes Holly - met a bit of a gorilla once on a night out on the toon - but that's another story! @)(++(*
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Many have studied the case for years but I think we both know of some who will never grasp as much as G-Unit has in a relatively short space of time 8(0(*
Some people don't want to - my problem isn't with people thinking he's innocent, it's the constant excuses and not realising how many they are making. No matter how much knowledge, that seems to be a constant.
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Some people don't want to - my problem isn't with people thinking he's innocent, it's the constant excuses and not realising how many they are making. No matter how much knowledge, that seems to be a constant.
I think G-Unit just has that methodical type of brain and enjoys assimilating information. You have certainly hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned though. I think it is next to impossible for the rest of us newbies to play catch-up with you guys who have probably forgotten more than we'll ever assimilate and I don't even want to make the attempt. Also I think it is totally irrelevant for us to even think of second guessing the legal deliberations which in my opinion came to the right decision as far as Bamber was concerned.
I think it important to stress that although I believe Bamber acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner of his family - giving them no opportunity to plead their case (or even to make peace with their God) and certainly no chance of appealing his judgement on them as he was able to do on the judgement on him ... I believe he had a fair trial and the sentence was commensurate with enormity of the crime he committed.
As far as I can see from my limited reading of the history of the appeals and leaves to appeal he has never actually beat the drum too much about innocence or evidence of innocence ... it is all about technicalities and I'm not too impressed by that.
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I think G-Unit just has that methodical type of brain and enjoys assimilating information. You have certainly hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned though. I think it is next to impossible for the rest of us newbies to play catch-up with you guys who have probably forgotten more than we'll ever assimilate and I don't even want to make the attempt. Also I think it is totally irrelevant for us to even think of second guessing the legal deliberations which in my opinion came to the right decision as far as Bamber was concerned.
I think it important to stress that although I believe Bamber acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner of his family - giving them no opportunity to plead their case (or even to make peace with their God) and certainly no chance of appealing his judgement on them as he was able to do on the judgement on him ... I believe he had a fair trial and the sentence was commensurate with enormity of the crime he committed.
As far as I can see from my limited reading of the history of the appeals and leaves to appeal he has never actually beat the drum too much about innocence or evidence of innocence ... it is all about technicalities and I'm not too impressed by that.
Strange you should pick that up, Brietta. I've often had the impression that he's dissociated himself -his person- from the situation, and is doing work on behalf of a third person.
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Some people don't want to - my problem isn't with people thinking he's innocent, it's the constant excuses and not realising how many they are making. No matter how much knowledge, that seems to be a constant.
You accuse me of making 'excuses' but that's your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion is that some other posters repeat rumours and misquotes rather than facts to support their viewpoint. Neither of our opinions matter.
What matters in my opinion is whether people are posting facts, supported by cites, or whether they're just repeating something they think they read somewhere but can't remember where.
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You accuse me of making 'excuses' but that's your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion is that some other posters repeat rumours and misquotes rather than facts to support their viewpoint. Neither of our opinions matter.
What matters in my opinion is whether people are posting facts, supported by cites, or whether they're just repeating something they think they read somewhere but can't remember where.
It really doesn’t matter, this isn’t a court of law or a police investigation, it’s just a chat forum. I take it all with a massive pinch of salt snf a large amount of cynicism.
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It really doesn’t matter, this isn’t a court of law or a police investigation, it’s just a chat forum. I take it all with a massive pinch of salt snf a large amount of cynicism.
So posting misinformation is OK on chat forums in your opinion? This 'chat forum' has rules which say it isn't.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11327.msg580864#msg580864
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So posting misinformation is OK on chat forums in your opinion? This 'chat forum' has rules which say it isn't.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11327.msg580864#msg580864
I’m not here to change the world, or to put innocent parents behind bars or free mass murderers from prison. Unlike some I don’t take this terribly seriously, if someone says they read something somewhere but can’t remember where then no one is under any obligation to believe the claim, they can just ignore it, like I do with most everything AA has posted here for example.
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I’m not here to change the world, or to put innocent parents behind bars or free mass murderers from prison. Unlike some I don’t take this terribly seriously, if someone says they read something somewhere but can’t remember where then no one is under any obligation to believe the claim, they can just ignore it, like I do with most everything AA has posted here for example.
I don't actually care why you're here or what you think. All I ask is that people respect forum rules.
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As a moderator, I certainly don't see myself as an authority figure, just as someone attempting to help keep the forum running in an orderly manner.
Did see myself as "in authority" when I was teaching in secondary schools though----I had to, otherwise nobody would have learned anything, and I would have lost my job.
But a good moderator should be diplomatic and unbiased.
It’s noticeable how you and your small clique of some other mods only like one another posts; never like certain members who you see as controversial — even if they’ve made a good valid point. If you show favouritism to a select few, regardless of how wring some of their posts sometimes are, it puts people off from contributing
No-one wants to belong to a forum that’s run by a small clique of moderators who aren’t prepared to listen to valid arguments...it becomes a pointless exercise.
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But a good moderator should be diplomatic and unbiased.
It’s noticeable how you and your small clique of some other mods only like one another posts; never like certain members who you see as controversial — even if they’ve made a good valid point. If you show favouritism to a select few, regardless of how wring some of their posts sometimes are, it puts people off from contributing
No-one wants to belong to a forum that’s run by a small clique of moderators who aren’t prepared to listen to valid arguments...it becomes a pointless exercise.
Valid arguments are those which are supported by evidence. Invalid arguments are those which contradict the evidence. Invalid posts are those which goad or abuse others. I congratulate you on your efforts to tone down your attitude towards others recently.
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I think G-Unit just has that methodical type of brain and enjoys assimilating information. You have certainly hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned though. I think it is next to impossible for the rest of us newbies to play catch-up with you guys who have probably forgotten more than we'll ever assimilate and I don't even want to make the attempt. Also I think it is totally irrelevant for us to even think of second guessing the legal deliberations which in my opinion came to the right decision as far as Bamber was concerned.
I think it important to stress that although I believe Bamber acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner of his family - giving them no opportunity to plead their case (or even to make peace with their God) and certainly no chance of appealing his judgement on them as he was able to do on the judgement on him ... I believe he had a fair trial and the sentence was commensurate with enormity of the crime he committed.
As far as I can see from my limited reading of the history of the appeals and leaves to appeal he has never actually beat the drum too much about innocence or evidence of innocence ... it is all about technicalities and I'm not too impressed by that.
Fabulous point, Briatt!
I agree especially about Bamber...
He’s never been able to present one piece of concrete evidence that he didn’t kill his family.
Like David Beckham (a ludicrous comparison, I know) but when David Beckham was done for speeding he never even denied it: his solicitor got him off on a loophole simply because the fine arrived one day late.
Of course, you can’t compare a speeding ticket with a cold-blooded mass murderer, but effectively, that’s what Bamber is trying to do: get out on a technicality because he knows he’s guilty.
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I don't actually care why you're here or what you think. All I ask is that people respect forum rules.
If you don’t care what I think, then don’t ask my opinion and then tell me you don’t care what I think. It’s just plain rude.
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You accuse me of making 'excuses' but that's your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion is that some other posters repeat rumours and misquotes rather than facts to support their viewpoint. Neither of our opinions matter.
What matters in my opinion is whether people are posting facts, supported by cites, or whether they're just repeating something they think they read somewhere but can't remember where.
But you post false facts taken from Jeremy Bamber’s blog which is littered with lies and twisted falsehoods.
If you wanted to posts TRUE facts, as you say, why don’t you post from the OFFICIAL court documents which have all the true facts there, and the reasons why he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and lost two appeals?
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I don't actually care why you're here or what you think. All I ask is that people respect forum rules.
Are you only here to make sure the forum rules are being adhered to?😳
Surely you should have an interest in the TOPICS?
You frequently give your “opinions” on this case, many of which are just that: your opinions, so why shouldn’t others give theirs too? It isn’t a discussion forum if you just want to copy excerpts from the court case...
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Valid arguments are those which are supported by evidence. Invalid arguments are those which contradict the evidence. Invalid posts are those which goad or abuse others. I congratulate you on your efforts to tone down your attitude towards others recently.
Almost all my arguments derive from facts Ive read — I certainly don’t read the CT’s falsified “truths”.
I don’t usually back up my arguments with cites, because they’re MY arguments based on the REAL FACTS, and people au fait with the case know I’m telling the truth. I have very occasionally made a petty mistake over a date or time etc...but I always admit to it. I don’t set out to lie. What would be the point of that?
I also have scores of documents and books I’ve read, and it takes valuable time for me to hunt through them all...quite frankly, everything I state as fact can be corroborated by you doing a Google and searching the official documents yourself.
What’s ironic about you saying I should present evidence, is that you believe much of Jeremy Bamber’s lies (with which he couldn’t back up with any evidence), and you “LIKE” certain peoples posts who come out with hypothesis and ideas they’ve made up in their heads, however bizarre, yet get uppity when I present an idea. Why’s that?
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But you post false facts taken from Jeremy Bamber’s blog which is littered with lies and trusted falsehoods.
If you wanted to posts TRUE facts, as you say, why don’t you post from the OFFICIAL court documents which have all the true facts there, and the reasons why he was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and lost two appeals?
I haven't posted anything from a blog afaik, unless you have an example? I have an example of a false fact; that 13 bands of Sheila Caffell's DNA were found.
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Are you only here to make sure the forum rules are being adhered to?😳
Surely you should have an interest in the TOPICS?
You frequently give your “opinions” on this case, many of which are just that: your opinions, so why shouldn’t others give theirs too? It isn’t a discussion forum if you just want to copy excerpts from the court case...
Opinions are fine but claiming they're facts isn't.
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Almost all my arguments derive from facts Ive read — I certainly don’t read the CT’s falsified “truths”.
I don’t usually back up my arguments with cites, because they’re MY arguments based on the REAL FACTS, and people au fait with the case know I’m telling the truth. I have very occasionally made a petty mistake over a date or time etc...but I always admit to it. I don’t set out to lie. What would be the point of that?
I also have scores of documents and books I’ve read, and it takes valuable time for me to hunt through them all...quite frankly, everything I state as fact can be corroborated by you doing a Google and searching the official documents yourself.
What’s ironic about you saying I should present evidence, is that you believe much of Jeremy Bamber’s lies (with which he couldn’t back up with any evidence), and you “LIKE” certain peoples posts who come out with hypothesis and ideas they’ve made up in their heads, however bizarre, yet get uppity when I present an idea. Why’s that?
I wonder why people who post misinformation and opinion as fact tend to suggest others carry out research instead of doing it themselves? In my opinion it's because they know very well they can't provide evidence to support their claims. If there's no cite those three bolded words are very useful, by the way.
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Opinions are fine but claiming they're facts isn't.
It’s worth bearing in mind that “Jeremy Is Innocent” is also just an opinion, not a fact.
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I haven't posted anything from a blog afaik, unless you have an example? I have an example of a false fact; that 13 bands of Sheila Caffell's DNA were found.
You obviously haven’t read it, have you?
It’s in all the official documents in black and white.
Go and find them...they’re al there 😌
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I wonder why people who post misinformation and opinion as fact tend to suggest others carry out research instead of doing it themselves? In my opinion it's because they know very well they can't provide evidence to support their claims. If there's no cite those three bolded words are very useful, by the way.
I don’t post misinformation — you do, though
Neither do I work for you. I’m not traipsing through thousands of documents just to prove to you what’s fact. You do it yourself and prove me wrong 😌
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It’s worth bearing in mind that “Jeremy Is Innocent” is also just an opinion, not a fact.
Gunit doesn’t think the ludicrous idea that Jeremy is innocent is just an opinion ; she claims he IS innocent.
Just like Holly does.
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Gunit doesn’t think the ludicrous idea that Jeremy is innocent is just an opinion ; she claims he IS innocent.
Just like Holly does.
G-Unit does not claim Jeremy is innocent. She questions his conviction, as do I.
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But a good moderator should be diplomatic and unbiased.
It’s noticeable how you and your small clique of some other mods only like one another posts; never like certain members who you see as controversial — even if they’ve made a good valid point. If you show favouritism to a select few, regardless of how wring some of their posts sometimes are, it puts people off from contributing
No-one wants to belong to a forum that’s run by a small clique of moderators who aren’t prepared to listen to valid arguments...it becomes a pointless exercise.
If you think my moderating is unfair (as you are perfectly entitled to do), there is nothing to stop you reporting me to John.
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Gunit doesn’t think the ludicrous idea that Jeremy is innocent is just an opinion ; she claims he IS innocent.
Just like Holly does.
More misinformation from Ispy.
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It has been brought to my attention that some posters are still using inappropriate comments and remarks towards other members on the boards. Forum rules dictate that all responses should be amicable and constructive, there is no need to express any opinion or respond to any question aggressively.
Please keep this in mind guys when posting. TY
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At the time of jeremy’s trial and the lead up to it, Leon Britton was Home Secretary.
It has been stated recently in the newspapers that Jeremy was sexually abused as a child. This WAS NOT committed by his father.
I am aware of prominent individuals who I cannot name for legal reasons, who have been named as ‘active’ in the past.
Please review the video attached below and we can take it from there.
Any insults, goading or Unnecessary unpleasantness And I’m off here for good.
Please note, NONE of this information has been received from Jeremy to me. This is ongoing research and I’m limited to what I can or cannot share at this moment.
In my view, it is important for us to step back in time, to the 1980’s, to understand the culture and practices of that day.
Were Neville and June both aware of what was going on in some echelons of high society?
Could Neville have been killed and Jeremy deliberately framed?
The probability of an outsider committing these crimes was denounced by the Judge at trial stating that if Sheila could not have committed the murders then it had to be Jeremy, even though there has never been anything to tie him to the scene of the crime.
Could this case be that simple?
Was Neville and June murdered, through fear from others of being exposed by the couple?
If Jeremy was framed, there would be no reason to look outside of this family.
I’ll be back tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/Fi_x090LGO8
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Thanks AA. Will listen to later. 8((()*/
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even though there has never been anything to tie him to the scene of the crime.
Bamber claimed he received a phone-call from NB claiming NB said SC had ‘THE gun’ - this ties him to the SOC
Have you ever read Bamber’s witness statements Aunt Agatha?
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It has been stated recently in the newspapers that Jeremy was sexually abused as a child
This is not recent Aunt Agatha
“But Jeremy’s close friend Brett Collins said there might be a reason for his demeanour:
’When Jeremy was 11 he was sexually molested by older boys and that deeply affected him.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157376/Now-know-Bamber-did-Crime-writer-s-definitive-verdict-public-schoolboy-slaughtered-entire-family-30-years-ago-tried-frame-dead-sister-protested-innocence.html
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This is not recent Aunt Agatha
“But Jeremy’s close friend Brett Collins said there might be a reason for his demeanour:
’When Jeremy was 11 he was sexually molested by older boys and that deeply affected him.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157376/Now-know-Bamber-did-Crime-writer-s-definitive-verdict-public-schoolboy-slaughtered-entire-family-30-years-ago-tried-frame-dead-sister-protested-innocence.html
You’re wrong!! You’re info is wrong!!!!
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You’re wrong!! You’re info is wrong!!!!
The Mirror claimed ‘Bamber had suffered abuse while he was at boarding school’
Aunt Agathas you stated
Please note, NONE of this information has been received from Jeremy to me.
What info is ‘wrong’ ?
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At the time of jeremy’s trial and the lead up to it, Leon Britton was Home Secretary.
It has been stated recently in the newspapers that Jeremy was sexually abused as a child. This WAS NOT committed by his father.
I am aware of prominent individuals who I cannot name for legal reasons, who have been named as ‘active’ in the past.
Please review the video attached below and we can take it from there.
Any insults, goading or Unnecessary unpleasantness And I’m off here for good.
Please note, NONE of this information has been received from Jeremy to me. This is ongoing research and I’m limited to what I can or cannot share at this moment.
In my view, it is important for us to step back in time, to the 1980’s, to understand the culture and practices of that day.
Were Neville and June both aware of what was going on in some echelons of high society?
Could Neville have been killed and Jeremy deliberately framed?
The probability of an outsider committing these crimes was denounced by the Judge at trial stating that if Sheila could not have committed the murders then it had to be Jeremy, even though there has never been anything to tie him to the scene of the crime.
Could this case be that simple?
Was Neville and June murdered, through fear from others of being exposed by the couple?
If Jeremy was framed, there would be no reason to look outside of this family.
I’ll be back tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/Fi_x090LGO8
He is tied to the CS by the phone call AA - a call only he has knowledge of and in which his father is supposed to have said "Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the gun'.
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Please note, NONE of this information has been received from Jeremy to me.
If Bamber has never mentioned this ‘information’ to you why are you even going there ?
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You’re wrong!! You’re info is wrong!!!!
Did Bamber’s ever talk to you about his relationship with Anji Greaves AA ?
And did you know the campaign team had wrongly referred to Virginia ?
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I’ve read the phone statements and reports, yes.
So, because the receiver was off the hook upon entry, that concludes jeremys guilt?
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The Mirror claimed ‘Bamber had suffered abuse while he was at boarding school’
Aunt Agathas you stated
What info is ‘wrong’ ?
It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11. The tabloids info is incorrect.
I will not be disclosing anything private that Jeremy has disclosed to me, that’s why I’m stating here, nothing I’m revealing is coming from Jeremy. It’s my own research.
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Aunt Agatha you stated
Please note, NONE of this information has been received from Jeremy to me.
It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11. The tabloids info is incorrect.
I will not be disclosing anything private that Jeremy has disclosed to me, that’s why I’m stating here, nothing I’m revealing is coming from Jeremy. It’s my own research.
So why should anything you state above be believed?
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It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth
Why would it be ‘illegal’ for you to disclose the truth ?
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Aunt Agatha you stated
So why should anything you state above be believed?
You don’t have to believe me.
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It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11. The tabloids info is incorrect.
The sexual abuse claims came from Brett Collins ergo not the tabloids
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The sexual abuse claims came from Brett Collins ergo not the tabloids
BC is a liar. I have the proof and I cannot disclose it. End of!!
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BC is a liar. I have the proof and I cannot disclose it. End of!!
I can understand why you wouldn't disclose that. I wouldn't either.
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You don’t have to believe me.
You said recently you met Bamber in 1990
But here you said
At an award ceremony in Central London I was seated near someone from his solicitors office. We spoke and the following day I posted a card to Jeremy. That was about 1992/93.
Quite unexpectedly, I found myself visiting him some months later (with my lawyers hat on), lol.
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I can understand why you wouldn't disclose that. I wouldn't either.
Has she already disclosed it to you Caroline ?
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You said recently you met Bamber in 1990
But here you said
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I cannot recall exactly when we first started writing. I was writing to him at the time of his first Appeal. I did not meet him immediately...I cannot recall exact dates or times, life is far too busy....and I did state approx...
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You also stated
John, if Jeremy did do it, then he made a several mistakes, the first one being contacting the police himself.
Also, the wet suit was mentioned, it being used. Why did he give it to me to hold on to, along with the air rifle, that was also supposedly used (according to Mike and friends).
I have many things of his here......I wonder if any of these things where also used.........
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Has she already disclosed it to you Caroline ?
Jeremy has taken the newspaper to court over it. It’s not within the public interest and it is illegal to unmask any sexual abuse survivor. I’m only stating that what the papers stated was incorrect.
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You also stated
This is 2012. Do your views not change at all as more evidence or information becomes available?
Mine certainly does!
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Has she already disclosed it to you Caroline ?
No, I never asked about him being abused.
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Jeremy has taken the newspaper to court over it. It’s not within the public interest and it is illegal to unmask any sexual abuse survivor. I’m only stating that what the papers stated was incorrect.
What you stated was
It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11.
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No, I never asked about him being abused.
AA referred to Brett Collins as ‘a liar’ and claimed to have proof but she cannot disclose it
BC is a liar. I have the proof and I cannot disclose it. End of!!
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Jeremy has taken the newspaper to court over it.
Am guessing he didn’t get anywhere with it, if what you say is true ?
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Am guessing he didn’t get anywhere with it, if what you say is true ?
Your guess is wrong.
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Your guess is wrong.
Nothings been redacted from the newspapers nor have I read any apologies given by them for the claims ?
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Jeremy has taken the newspaper to court over it. It’s not within the public interest and it is illegal to unmask any sexual abuse survivor. I’m only stating that what the papers stated was incorrect.
If what the papers have stated is incorrect why hasn’t it been corrected if Bamber has taken them to court as you claim?
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If what the papers have stated is incorrect why hasn’t it been corrected if Bamber has taken them to court as you claim?
Wait and see.
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This is not recent Aunt Agatha
“But Jeremy’s close friend Brett Collins said there might be a reason for his demeanour:
’When Jeremy was 11 he was sexually molested by older boys and that deeply affected him.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157376/Now-know-Bamber-did-Crime-writer-s-definitive-verdict-public-schoolboy-slaughtered-entire-family-30-years-ago-tried-frame-dead-sister-protested-innocence.html
As Jeremy Bamber is a proven pathological liar, as stated by the prison psychiatrist when he was on remand and diagnosed with psychopathy, we can take his claims with a pinch of salt.
Nearly all convicted criminals, admittedly paedophiles, claim they were sexually abused as a child to try and elicit sympathy in an attempt to deflect from their own heinous acts.
Going by Jeremy’s previous headmaster, he said that he wasn’t a popular pupil; he was arrogant; a bully; and not at all likeable. I can’t imagine boys picking on someone like him, who would have fought back. Why didn’t Jeremy report these boys at the time? He certainly wasn’t shy in coming forward.
IS he trying to suggest this alleged incident caused him to murder his family?
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Wait and see.
When did you last have contact with Jeremy, Agatha?
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Did anybody watch the whole video I posted?
I can only go down the theory route if you’ve watched the video or it will never make any sense.
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Did anybody watch the whole video I posted?
I can only go down the theory route if you’ve watched the video or it will never make any sense.
What was the video's URL again thanks?
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What was the video's URL again thanks?
Here it is.
https://youtu.be/Fi_x090LGO8
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Here it is.
https://youtu.be/Fi_x090LGO8
Only an hour and a half to listen to it!
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Only an hour and a half to listen to it!
You'll never get those 90 mins back.
However, if it's the truth you're looking for then we need to know and understand the players and their behaviours at the time.
Not that much has changed tbh.
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When did you last have contact with Jeremy, Agatha?
This is what she posted in 2012
I note with interest your views, beliefs and understandings regarding the relationship between Jeremy and myself.
I would like to add that our 'friendship' ended solely due to the lies and self seeking antics of Tracy Brazier from the Innocent Group. Her behaviour I found to be unsettling and most disturbing - I found myself on unfamiliar territory when having to defend myself against her lies in order to discredit me in the eyes of Jeremy and the Campaign.
Jeremy chose to question me regarding the false accusations made against me and when I felt him lying to me down the phone I chose to walk away from him. He did not drop me - I dropped him!!
He was someone for whom I strongly believed was wrongly imprisoned, he was alone and the nation had turned their back on this 'child killer'. I did what I could at the time, for many years, but I should honestly add it is nothing compared to what others have done recently using the web and new technology.
When our 'friendship' ended I was deeply saddened......and I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him. Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....but I could do nothing more to help him. Whenever I informed him of 'their' antics he tried to assure me he knew exactly what these people were like and described alot of them just as I have here.
However, after almost 20 years of befriending this man, it came as somewhat of a relief to let others take over. I felt responsible for him for many years and it was a weight lifted the day we parted. Today, I only hope that those around him stay, as I did, when all else is lost.
I hold no resentment against Jeremy and will not attempt to make him out to be someone he is not. I don't feel it necessary to post his letters, our photo's etc......it was a strange relationship at the time, as he was in prison, but during our time together he was a most decent and respectable man.
I have come to believe and understand that Jeremy makes decisions based solely upon the information he receives from other in the outside world. If the information he receives comes from somebody who dislikes me or feels threatened by my position, then the information about me will be most negative. And, if that person can have Group members support her lies, by also writing to Jeremy, then I don't stand a chance. I refused to play the game and walked away. Quite happily.
Should he ever be released, then he will have to come and see me as I still hold his most valuable possessions from his family.....and his own. The truth comes out in the end.....one may just have to wait many years, but I'm in no rush at all!
I hope this gives some insight into those 20 years and gives answers to questions so far unanswered.
Recently Aunt Agatha has changed this to claiming she was ‘broken hearted’ or something like that ?!
What’s the truth?
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This is what she posted in 2012
Recently Aunt Agatha has changed this to claiming she was ‘broken hearted’ or something like that ?!
What’s the truth?
I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him. Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....
Why would Bamber choose to have people like this ‘surrounding him’ as you claim AA ?
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Did anybody watch the whole video I posted?
I can only go down the theory route if you’ve watched the video or it will never make any sense.
I didn’t
I doubt anyone else did, either...
Who’s going to spend over an hour of their time watching a load of old mad tosh recommended by you, Ag?
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I didn’t
I doubt anyone else did, either...
Who’s going to spend over an hour of their time watching a lad of old mad tosh recommended by you, Ag?
I did. It whiled away over an hour, which brought me over an hour closer to the sweet release of death. Not much else to look forward to at this age.
Oh look, a sparrow!
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I didn’t
I doubt anyone else did, either...
Who’s going to spend over an hour of their time watching a load of old mad tosh recommended by you, Ag?
I watched it---at least, I've seen two thirds of it, then I fell asleep-------old age! Will watch the rest of it.
Interesting, although I was put off somewhat by the fact David Icke appeared in it.
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I did. It whiled away over an hour, which brought me over an hour closer to the sweet release of death. Not much else to look forward to at this age.
Oh look, a sparrow!
I thought Old Folks Homes discouraged residents from watching conspiracy nonsense?
You sound a rebel for 98 years of age 👨🏼🎨
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I watched it---at least, I've seen two thirds of it, then I fell asleep-------old age! Will watch the rest of it.
Interesting, although I was put off somewhat by the fact David Icke appeared in it.
I hope you didn’t wake up to find your dentures hanging out your mouth and you spectacles all crooked 🤓
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I did. It whiled away over an hour, which brought me over an hour closer to the sweet release of death. Not much else to look forward to at this age.
Oh look, a sparrow!
Where, where?
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I thought Old Folks Homes discouraged residents from watching conspiracy nonsense?
You sound a rebel for 98 years of age 👨🏼🎨
Oh, I am a rebel; always have been.
I watch what you call my "conspiracy nonsense" when the Old Man has gone to bed, just in case he discourages me. The dog doesn't mind.
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Where, where?
Not on here, that's for sure.
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I thought Old Folks Homes discouraged residents from watching conspiracy nonsense?
You sound a rebel for 98 years of age 👨🏼🎨
Good one. I just soiled myself laughing at that. Mind you, that tends to happen spontaneously given my advancing years, so there may not be the correlation I imagined.
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Well, this topic has descended beyond repair. %56&
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Good one. I just soiled myself laughing at that. Mind you, that tends to happen spontaneously given my advancing years, so there may not be the correlation I imagined.
Far too much information, thank you, General------and anyway, I think it's me who is supposed to be the 98 year old rebel !
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It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11. The tabloids info is incorrect.
I will not be disclosing anything private that Jeremy has disclosed to me, that’s why I’m stating here, nothing I’m revealing is coming from Jeremy. It’s my own research.
You posted something recently about Bamber not being 11 years-old when he was allegedly sexually abused by older boys at Gresham’s
This 1989 article https://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/24/science/sad-legacy-of-abuse-the-search-for-remedies.html from the New York Times by Daniel Goleman states,
‘Studies also now indicate that about one-third of people who are abused in childhood will become abusers themselves. This is a lower percentage than many experts had expected, but obviously poses a major social challenge. The research also confirms that abuse in childhood increases the likelihood in adulthood of problems ranging from depression and alcoholism to sexual maladjustment and multiple personality.
Research back in 1989 suggested ‘one-third of people who are abused in childhood will become abusers themselves‘
Are there more stories like Sarah’s that we don’t yet know about?
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It would be illegal for me to disclose the truth but he wasn’t 11. The tabloids info is incorrect.
If the ‘tabloids info is incorrect’ why hasn’t Bamber corrected them - it’s not like him to say nothing