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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Caroline on May 24, 2020, 02:39:00 PM
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As per the question, just vote yes or no.
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As per the question, just vote yes or no.
See? Already 100% are in agreement that they wouldn't 8)--)) 8)--))
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See? Already 100% are in agreement that they wouldn't 8)--)) 8)--))
The supporters just won't vote @)(++(* @)(++(*
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It would be interesting to hear the supporters justification, I’m certain they have one, just as they do for the putting down of the dog within 24 hours.
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It would be interesting to hear the supporters justification, I’m certain they have one, just as they do for the putting down of the dog within 24 hours.
They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.
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If my parents lived in a tenanted property it would depend on how long I had to vacate, the terms of the agreement etc.
When exactly did JB start having a clear out?
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They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.
What did he do with all of Sheila’s clothes?
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May we have a source, please?
I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation. And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them. Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar. Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.
Did he burn all the clothing? Was this remarked on by relatives in statements? If so, who?
The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences. Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response. I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer. Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them. How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?
The authorities informed me of my father's death. My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him. Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?
That's another thing. If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?
You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male. When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden. I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.
My immediate response to his death was as follows:
I laughed.
Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying). This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.
Then I made myself breakfast. Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.
Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.
The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked. That's the English way of dealing with grief. Go for a walk.
I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.
Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father. Somebody else was arranging the funeral.
My point is that - people are complex. You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour. Equally, you could explain it in another way.
I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!
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May we have a source, please?
I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation. And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them. Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar. Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.
Did he burn all the clothing? Was this remarked on by relatives in statements? If so, who?
The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences. Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response. I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer. Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them. How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?
The authorities informed me of my father's death. My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him. Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?
That's another thing. If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?
You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male. When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden. I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.
My immediate response to his death was as follows:
I laughed.
Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying). This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.
Then I made myself breakfast. Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.
Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.
The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked. That's the English way of dealing with grief. Go for a walk.
I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.
Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father. Somebody else was arranging the funeral.
My point is that - people are complex. You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour. Equally, you could explain it in another way.
I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!
Do you think Jeremy was only banged up because he had a hearty breakfast? I must add that to my list of just becauses.
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May we have a source, please?
I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation. And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them. Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar. Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.
Did he burn all the clothing? Was this remarked on by relatives in statements? If so, who?
The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences. Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response. I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer. Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them. How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?
The authorities informed me of my father's death. My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him. Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?
That's another thing. If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?
You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male. When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden. I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.
My immediate response to his death was as follows:
I laughed.
Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying). This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.
Then I made myself breakfast. Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.
Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.
The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked. That's the English way of dealing with grief. Go for a walk.
I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.
Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father. Somebody else was arranging the funeral.
My point is that - people are complex. You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour. Equally, you could explain it in another way.
I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!
It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?
Incidentally, my response to my mother's death was similar to yours, at your father's death. I had no hand in her death but there are those who remain surprised that I hadn't.
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Laughing is a fairly common reaction to deeply traumatic or troubling news.
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It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?
Yes, I know, but I could turn that round on you and say, as I mentioned in my post above, that you are looking for patterns and it's no surprise that you find the patterns. You're biased.
Somebody looking at my behaviour could say: "When we told him, he was laughing, and then....he forced himself to cry, and he had one eye on me while he was doing it. He did, you know! Right psychopath he is! Then he made himself breakfast! He was properly tucking into those Coco-Pops, you should have seen him, and wolfed down that jam on toast, and he was mentioning how he'd got a discount on his coffee at Morrisons in a 3 for 1. And then, get this....He was straight back to work, making those flower baskets for Jones Garden Centre, laughing and joking like he didn't have a care in the world. You should have seen him grinning at the funeral too. The cold-blooded psycho!"
Anyway, it's all a bit airy-fairy and, for me, it's not very impressive. It's not evidence. And it goes back to the whole problem with Julie Mugford's evidence, the critical parts of which are plain wrong, and the rest is just gossip.
I accept Bamber was a nasty piece of work, but so what? It doesn't make him a murderer.
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It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?
Incidentally, my response to my mother's death, along with absolute joyous and total relief, was similar to yours, at your father's death. I had no hand in her death but there are those who remain surprised that I hadn't.
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How do we know Jeremy burnt all his parents clothes just after the murders?
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They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.
According to AE she found a trailer outside the back door on 30th Aug so some 3 weeks after the tragedy.
It was something that needed to be done and it appears the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, assisted him.
AE asked about any discarded clothing going to the Red Cross.
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According to AE she found a trailer outside the back door on 30th Aug so some 3 weeks after the tragedy.
It was something that needed to be done and it appears the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, assisted him.
AE asked about any discarded clothing going to the Red Cross.
No, no, no! He asked Len Foulks to fetch a trailer and bring it to the back door because he had some 'rubbish' from the house. Just because he asked Jean B to help, doesn't mean it was something that 'needed to be done'. The fact that AE aksed for the clothes to go to the red cross makes the whole thing WORSE because Philip Wilson, Barbara Wilson's son emptied the trailer into the pit where they were burned.
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Yes, I know, but I could turn that round on you and say, as I mentioned in my post above, that you are looking for patterns and it's no surprise that you find the patterns. You're biased.
Somebody looking at my behaviour could say: "When we told him, he was laughing, and then....he forced himself to cry, and he had one eye on me while he was doing it. He did, you know! Right psychopath he is! Then he made himself breakfast! He was properly tucking into those Coco-Pops, you should have seen him, and wolfed down that jam on toast, and he was mentioning how he'd got a discount on his coffee at Morrisons in a 3 for 1. And then, get this....He was straight back to work, making those flower baskets for Jones Garden Centre, laughing and joking like he didn't have a care in the world. You should have seen him grinning at the funeral too. The cold-blooded psycho!"
Anyway, it's all a bit airy-fairy and, for me, it's not very impressive. It's not evidence. And it goes back to the whole problem with Julie Mugford's evidence, the critical parts of which are plain wrong, and the rest is just gossip.
I accept Bamber was a nasty piece of work, but so what? It doesn't make him a murderer.
By your own admission you didn’t care much about your father, hence your behaviour after his death. You seem to be suggesting JB also didn’t really care that his whole family had been murdered, which is contrary to the impression he tried to give, especially at the funeral.
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No, no, no! He asked Len Foulks to fetch a trailer and bring it to the back door because he had some 'rubbish' from the house. Just because he asked Jean B to help, doesn't mean it was something that 'needed to be done'. The fact that AE aksed for the clothes to go to the red cross makes the whole thing WORSE because Philip Wilson, Barbara Wilson's son emptied the trailer into the pit where they were burned.
Cite please.
P215 CAL refers to DI Cook arranging with a farm worker to bring a trailer round where mattresses and bloodstained carpet pieces were tipped out of an upstairs window onto a trailer and taken to a site on the farm which was used to burn general rubbish.
According to DI Cook the 1986 internal review confirmed nothing of evidential value was lost.
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Cite please.
P215 CAL refers to DI Cook arranging with a farm worker to bring a trailer round where mattresses and bloodstained carpet pieces were tipped out of an upstairs window onto a trailer and taken to a site on the farm which was used to burn general rubbish.
According to DI Cook the 1986 internal review confirmed nothing of evidential value was lost.
You never just trust me do you? ?>)()<
After handing Len his wages, Jeremy asked for a small trailer, explaining that he wanted it for rubbish from the house. He backed it into the yard with the tractor, close to the door. When Jean saw him later that morning he told her to pack the rest of the silverware into a large box,
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 257-258). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
The trailer was still in the yard and piled high with Nevill and June’s clothes when Ann and her father called at White House Farm on Friday afternoon. Jean offered them June’s collection of commemorative biscuit tins,
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
When Barbara and Jean arrived for work on Monday, 2 September a narrow pall of smoke was curling up from the waste pit in the garden, where Philip Wilson had emptied the trailer as instructed.
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 264). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
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You never just trust me do you? ?>)()<
After handing Len his wages, Jeremy asked for a small trailer, explaining that he wanted it for rubbish from the house. He backed it into the yard with the tractor, close to the door. When Jean saw him later that morning he told her to pack the rest of the silverware into a large box,
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 257-258). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
The trailer was still in the yard and piled high with Nevill and June’s clothes when Ann and her father called at White House Farm on Friday afternoon. Jean offered them June’s collection of commemorative biscuit tins,
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
When Barbara and Jean arrived for work on Monday, 2 September a narrow pall of smoke was curling up from the waste pit in the garden, where Philip Wilson had emptied the trailer as instructed.
Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 264). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
The above doesn't tell us when these events happened. But with regard to the trailer piled high with NB and June's clothes it seems this happened at the same time as Jean Boutell offered AE June's commemorative biscuit tins which was 30th Aug.
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The above doesn't tell us when these events happened. But with regard to the trailer piled high with NB and June's clothes it seems this happened at the same time as Jean Boutell offered AE June's commemorative biscuit tins which was 30th Aug.
And?
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And?
And your poll question asks:
Who Would Burn Their Recently Murdered Parents Clothing Days After Their Death?
You refer to days when it seems we're talking over 3 weeks.
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And your poll question asks:
Who Would Burn Their Recently Murdered Parents Clothing Days After Their Death?
You refer to days when it seems we're talking over 3 weeks.
OK, I will amend the question, admittedly I thought it was earlier BUT Who would burn their recently murdered parents clothing in a fire pit and after an offer of was made to take them to the Red Cross?
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If anyone wishes to change their vote I can reset?
Have you voted yet Holly?
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OK, I will amend the question, admittedly I thought it was earlier BUT Who would burn their recently murdered parents clothing in a fire pit and after an offer of was made to take them to the Red Cross?
Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.
It's subjective and personal. I would just want to get shot of it all. I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around.
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Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.
It's subjective and personal. I would just want to get shot of it all. I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around.
You making excuses again! @)(++(*
Philip Wilson was 'instructed; to burn the in the fire pit. If you think it's perfectly reasonable to burn your murdered parents clothing when they could have gone to charity, then vote yes. It's quite simple but make sure that you're not just choosing the the option that makes him looks lest bad. 8((()*/
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Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.
It's subjective and personal. I would just want to get shot of it all. I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around.
Even if you knew how philanthropic they were? I wonder if he gave a cash donation to the church, as June would have wished to have done, or maybe he didn't care for the idea of strangers having a share of what was his?
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You making excuses again! @)(++(*
Philip Wilson was 'instructed; to burn the in the fire pit. If you think it's perfectly reasonable to burn your murdered parents clothing when they could have gone to charity, then vote yes. It's quite simple but make sure that you're not just choosing the the option that makes him looks lest bad. 8((()*/
It's there in black and white in AE's wit stats.
I think it's totally irrelevant and completely meaningless.
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Even if you knew how philanthropic they were? I wonder if he gave a cash donation to the church, as June would have wished to have done, or maybe he didn't care for the idea of strangers having a share of what was his?
What sort of charitable donation did the relatives make from the Bamber estate?
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It's there in black and white in AE's wit stats.
I think it's totally irrelevant and completely meaningless.
What is?
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What sort of charitable donation did the relatives make from the Bamber estate?
That's off topic mke your own thread for that %56&
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It's there in black and white in AE's wit stats.
I think it's totally irrelevant and completely meaningless.
I wonder why Robert Boutflour thought the clothes were still available to go to the Red Cross on 4th September, when he asked Jeremy to arrange it with his Aunt Pam?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=246.0;attach=647;image
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Out of interest what personal effects of his family’s did JB keep for sentimental rather than monetary reasons, if anything?
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I wonder why Robert Boutflour thought the clothes were still available to go to the Red Cross on 4th September, when he asked Jeremy to arrange it with his Aunt Pam?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=246.0;attach=647;image
Nice find 8((()*/
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That's off topic mke your own thread for that %56&
Are you going to change your poll question?
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Nice find 8((()*/
I get a blank page when I open that link. Nice find indeed.
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I get a blank page when I open that link. Nice find indeed.
I don't
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Out of interest what personal effects of his family’s did JB keep for sentimental rather than monetary reasons, if anything?
BFZ
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Are you going to change your poll question?
I have - I changed it immediately!
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I wonder why Robert Boutflour thought the clothes were still available to go to the Red Cross on 4th September, when he asked Jeremy to arrange it with his Aunt Pam?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=246.0;attach=647;image
Because Bamber wouldn't have told him he brunt them.
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You making excuses again! @)(++(*
Philip Wilson was 'instructed; to burn the in the fire pit. If you think it's perfectly reasonable to burn your murdered parents clothing when they could have gone to charity, then vote yes. It's quite simple but make sure that you're not just choosing the the option that makes him looks lest bad. 8((()*/
What better way of destroying whatever it was wearing when he murdered his family than burning them in the fire pit - right under their noses - which no doubt would have caused him much delight
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Strange neither of his supporters have voted for this being perfectly reasonable behaviour yet - why not?
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Strange neither of his supporters have voted for this being perfectly reasonable behaviour yet - why not?
I did predict that they wouldn't when I opended the poll @)(++(*
AE asked if she could take some of the clothes to the Red Cross, Bamber didn't even bother to reply. Perhaps Jean Boutell took it upon herself to save some of them or maybe none survived - that we don't know but we do know that Philip Wilson was instructed tp burn a stack of Nevill and June's clothes. Nice!
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I did predict that they wouldn't when I opended the poll @)(++(*
AE asked if she could take some of the clothes to the Red Cross, Namber didn't even bother to reply. Perhaps Jean Boutell took it upon herself to save some of them or maybe none survived - that we don't know but we do know that Philip Wilson was instructed tp burn a stack of Nevill and June's clothes. Nice!
He did seem in a great hurry not only to get rid of things associated with his parents but to actually destroy them in the process.
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I don't
My page is also blank.
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My page is also blank.
Same
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You have to be a member of the Blue forum to view it.
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You have to be a member of the Blue forum to view it.
Thought Holly was banned from the blue forum?
Nice find 8((()*/
Does that mean what I think it means *&^^&
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You have to be a member of the Blue forum to view it.
Well that’s never going to happen.
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As per the question, just vote yes or no.
I’ve voted 8((()*/
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And your poll question asks:
Who Would Burn Their Recently Murdered Parents Clothing Days After Their Death?
You refer to days when it seems we're talking over 3 weeks.
You think three weeks is OK, then?
NORMALLY, when a loved one dies one goes through various stages: shock, heartache, anger...many emotions...and it can take YEARS in some cases to come to terms with it.
But even if you’re not particularly close, you don’t BURN their clothes.
You just DON’T. It is not normal.
Once you’re ready to go through their items, which can be heartbreaking in itself, you will keep sentimental clothes, some that carry their scent, or som you simply want.
You then invite close family/friends to have a look and to take what they’d like to keep.
The rest are then given to a charity shop, or in June’s case, the Red Cross.
What Jeremy Bamber did was totally ABNORMAL. On top of that, he deprived people in need of clothes they wouldn’t have been able to afford.
That Brett Collins would have annoyed me too...who the hell was HE to rifle through Nevill’s belongings?!
The AUDACITY of him! And why did Jeremy allow him to fly in like a vulture, snooping/rifling through June and Nevill’s private belongings?! Jeremy would have told him to f..k off out of his father’s personal belongings! The only reason he DIDN’T was that Jeremy didn’t give a shit he’d murdered his father. He never loved him at all. He’s never loved anyone, except himself.
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Because Bamber wouldn't have told him he brunt them.
Robert was with Ann E when she saw the trailer. Then she and her mother went to see Jeremy about the Red Cross, but he wasn't in. Then Robert mentioned it. Why would they do that if they'd seen the trailer piled up with the clothes ready for burning? Neither of them mentioned what was on the trailer.
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Here you go folks
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Robert was with Ann E when she saw the trailer. Then she and her mother went to see Jeremy about the Red Cross, but he wasn't in. Then Robert mentioned it. Why would they do that if they'd seen the trailer piled up with the clothes ready for burning? Neither of them mentioned what was on the trailer.
Are you suggesting Bamber didn't burn his parents' clothes or what?
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My page is also blank.
yes, mine too
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Are you suggesting Bamber didn't burn his parents' clothes or what?
I'm trying to discover who, apart from CAL, said he did.
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Do you think Jeremy was only banged up because he had a hearty breakfast? I must add that to my list of just becauses.
Haha...
Makes me laugh how his supporters come out with SUCH ridiculous stupid statements
They conveniently “forget” all the huge overwhelm evidence
Oh, and NORMAL people don’t fake responses when told something traumatic. They react NATURALLY.
Anyone who has to FAKE a response must either be a psychopath like Jeremy Bamber or have some other kind of mental condition
The LAST thing anyone would even THINK of when being told their family are all dead would be to try and fake a response for the person stood in front of them. Never heard such warped nonsense in my life...
Gosh, there’s some terribly odd people walking around....
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I don't know anyone who would get rid of a deceased person's clothes by burning them, but that may well be because I have always lived in towns. Only if one lives right out in the sticks, could one have a bonfire and burn carpets, clothes, etc. I would imagine it might even be illegal elsewhere.
Three days after his parents' murders? Awful.
Three weeks? Reasonable to get rid of the stuff, IMO. I don't like the burning, but for all I know, it's acceptable in the countryside.
Some people do keep a deceased relatives' clothes for years-----but I know I wouldn't do that.
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If my parents lived in a tenanted property it would depend on how long I had to vacate, the terms of the agreement etc.
When exactly did JB start having a clear out?
What a weak explanation
The house is still run by the family even now...but even if Jeremy Bamber had to vacate it (which he didn’t) he wouldn’t have been slung out almost immediately
And even if he had, why didn’t he send the clothes to a charity shop or the Red Cross?
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I'm trying to discover who, apart from CAL, said he did.
Another question to put to JB directly - perhaps we can get AA or HG to oblige. BTW, do you consider CAL's book to be ill-researched and full of misinformation?
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I know it’s wrong to correct another’s grammar on a forum, as we all make mistakes/typos when testing/messaging...I do it as I type quickly or get distractions...
But I think it’s silly to use words you have no understanding of
“Tertiary indicators” doesn’t make sense
Whatever, you’ve clearly outlined hiw staunch a supporter you are of Jeremy Bamber’s, despite your frequent claims you’re not
Why not admit it? Or are you ashamed?
Holly isn’t ashamed😌
In what way(s) does Brancher's post indicate that he/she is a staunch supporter of JB?
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Another question to put to JB directly - perhaps we can get AA or HG to oblige. BTW, do you consider CAL's book to be ill-researched and full of misinformation?
CAL provided sources for most of what she wrote in her well-researched and informative book. I've found two stories which aren't supported by primary sources. One is the torn up photo and the other is the burned clothes. She can write what she likes, but without cites there's no obligation on anyone to accept what she writes as factual.
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CAL provided sources for most of what she wrote in her well-researched and informative book. I've found two stories which aren't supported by primary sources. One is the torn up photo and the other is the burned clothes. She can write what she likes, but without cites there's no obligation on anyone to accept what she writes as factual.
Philip Wilson made a statement! He burned the clothes on Bambers instructions - live with it! By the way, have you voted?
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Robert was with Ann E when she saw the trailer. Then she and her mother went to see Jeremy about the Red Cross, but he wasn't in. Then Robert mentioned it. Why would they do that if they'd seen the trailer piled up with the clothes ready for burning? Neither of them mentioned what was on the trailer.
Well, you're once again asking me to answer for someone else - to speculate - something you apparently don't hold with. Philip Wilson made a statement, which CAL cites in her book, so if you have problems believing what CAL wrote, then I suggest that you try and obtain a copy of his witness statement. Her word is good enough for me.
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Philip Wilson made a statement! He burned the clothes on Bambers instructions - live with it! By the way, have you voted?
Did he? I'll live with it with pleasure when I see it. Seeing is believing.
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CAL provided sources for most of what she wrote in her well-researched and informative book. I've found two stories which aren't supported by primary sources. One is the torn up photo and the other is the burned clothes. She can write what she likes, but without cites there's no obligation on anyone to accept what she writes as factual.
If you don’t accept them as factual do you believe she made them up then?
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Did he? I'll live with it with pleasure when I see it. Seeing is believing.
So, why haven't you voted?
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So, why haven't you voted?
What makes you think I haven't?
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What makes you think I haven't?
Have you?
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What makes you think I haven't?
In that case, we can all agree that burning his parents clothing would be (for those skeptics among us) and IS (for those who aren't in denial) - out of order! Callous even and not really conducive ro grief. Good! 8((()*/
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Out of interest what personal effects of his family’s did JB keep for sentimental rather than monetary reasons, if anything?
Good question, VS
I’ve seen nothing to say he kept a single thing of theirs
How about the photo albums and framed pictures?
Did he put them up at Goldhanger or in Sheila’s flat that he gained by murder?
I bet he didn’t take even one photograph of his parents or Sheila...
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I don't know anyone who would get rid of a deceased person's clothes by burning them, but that may well be because I have always lived in towns. Only if one lives right out in the sticks, could one have a bonfire and burn carpets, clothes, etc. I would imagine it might even be illegal elsewhere.
Three days after his parents' murders? Awful.
Three weeks? Reasonable to get rid of the stuff, IMO. I don't like the burning, but for all I know, it's acceptable in the countryside.
Some people do keep a deceased relatives' clothes for years-----but I know I wouldn't do that.
I always find it strangely detached when someone calls their lost loved one “the deceased”
That’s a formal word used by coroners and officials
I’ve never met ANYONE who refers to their close family as they deceased”
Jeremy Bamber wrote that in one of his letters to someone...can’t remember who...but some barking supporter.
It’s so, so telling and shows how they FEEL
He’s a diagnosed psychopath, though...
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Holly when you’re next over posting on blue can you point out to Lookout that the clothes worn by the victims when Bamber murdered them would have been seized by police
She states,
‘I wasn't aware that clothes other than blooded ones were burnt/destroyed when carpets and bedding were burnt.
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Don't know, is my honest answer.
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Holly when you’re next over posting on blue can you point out to Lookout that the clothes worn by the victims when Bamber murdered them would have been seized by police
She states,
‘I wasn't aware that clothes other than blooded ones were burnt/destroyed when carpets and bedding were burnt.
I wouldn't bother - let them get on with their bitchin 8((()*/
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Holly when you’re next over posting on blue can you point out to Lookout that the clothes worn by the victims when Bamber murdered them would have been seized by police
She states,
‘I wasn't aware that clothes other than blooded ones were burnt/destroyed when carpets and bedding were burnt.
That Blue Forum is an alternate reality.
“...reality, however utopian, is something from which people feel the need of taking pretty frequent holidays....” A Huxley, Brave New World.
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That Blue Forum, having spent 11 minutes there, I believe is an alternate reality.
“...reality, however utopian, is something from which people feel the need of taking pretty frequent holidays....” A Huxley, Brave New World.
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That Blue Forum is an alternate reality.
“...reality, however utopian, is something from which people feel the need of taking pretty frequent holidays....” A Huxley, Brave New World.
Have you found the bit where Mike Tesko says he's going to eat a spicy curry and "wipe his shitty arse on the Pope's face"?
Definitely a high point!! 8((()*/
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Have you found the bit where Mike Tesko says he's going to eat a spicy curry and "wipe his shitty arse on the Pope's face"?
Definitely a high point!! 8((()*/
Must admit, I didn't get that far. If you didn't know the back story you'd think it was some sick parody.