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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: DCI on April 07, 2013, 08:25:17 PM
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
I can think of no other reason that the posters were removed from the car beyond that they gave the game away as to which car it was.
If anyone can suggest any other possible reason I would love to hear it.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
No.
Why should the handler show bias against the mccanns.
Another myth,that everyone conspires against the mccanns.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
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Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
No.
Why should the handler show bias against the mccanns.
Another myth,that everyone conspires against the mccanns.
NEver mindwe havetried our best to educate you and we have failed.
Shame you will remain in ignorance.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
I can think of no other reason that the posters were removed from the car beyond that they gave the game away as to which car it was.
If anyone can suggest any other possible reason I would love to hear it.
The game was already given away, Gilet.
Why were the posters put in the car, in the first place?
Why was the car moved, between recordings?
And who died half way up the wall?. The dog spent more time barking at that, than anywhere else.
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The Posters were removed half way through. Perhaps they thought no one would notice in the first bit. And they could hardly shoot it again, could they.
And Yep, I would like to know who died half way up the wall. Unless someone or two had a peeing contest. That would do it.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
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Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
No.
Why should the handler show bias against the mccanns.
Another myth,that everyone conspires against the mccanns.
NEver mindwe havetried our best to educate you and we have failed.
Shame you will remain in ignorance.
You have a one world view.
Grimes had no axe to grind.
He merely did his job.
The trouble is, you're blinded by your adoration of the Mccanns.
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The name is Grime, Stephen, not Grimes.
Grime may not have had an axe to grind, but he certainly had some mega bucks to lose.
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The name is Grime, Stephen, not Grimes.
Grime may not have had an axe to grind, but he certainly had some mega bucks to lose.
It does not mean he didn't do his job properly.
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The name is Grime, Stephen, not Grimes.
Grime may not have had an axe to grind, but he certainly had some mega bucks to lose.
It does not mean he didn't do his job properly.
He did what he was told, by the PJ.
Nobody else should have been anywhere near him, while doing his job.
There were about 10 people in the car park. There were people in the apartments, one woman sitting at the kitchen table, while the dog was sniffing the bin.
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
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Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
No.
Why should the handler show bias against the mccanns.
Another myth,that everyone conspires against the mccanns.
NEver mindwe havetried our best to educate you and we have failed.
Shame you will remain in ignorance.
You have a one world view.
Grimes had no axe to grind.
He merely did his job.
The trouble is, you're blinded by your adoration of the Mccanns.
Please explain why Grime was half dressed in protective gear in this dog video and was not using protective gear at all in the other dog searches.
To me that is proof that he was not acting professionally as you claim.
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Not very professional at all Gilet.
I can never understand, how Eddie played with cuddlecat, in the living room, and Grime picked it up.
Then all of a sudden a few minutes later, cuddlecat pops out from under the kitchen sink, cupboard.
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Not very professional at all Gilet.
I can never understand, how Eddie played with cuddlecat, in the living room, and Grime picked it up.
Then all of a sudden a few minutes later, cuddlecat pops out from under the kitchen sink, cupboard.
what a conundrum - and then called it an "alert"
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Interesting video.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1924-something-very-wrong-here
Uploaded on 6 Sep 2008
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Very interesting video DCI. Did you ever find out why the posters were removed before the dog was put in the car?
I also find the test with the dog exceedingly biased towards the McCanns hire car. The handler just stood there and kept bringing the dog back to the car...undoubtedly the poor pooch had no choice but to come up with something.
If this is what constitutes a test for cadaver then I find it appalling.
Of course you find it appalling, you support the Mccanns.
And you don't see anything wrong with that Video?
No.
Why should the handler show bias against the mccanns.
Another myth,that everyone conspires against the mccanns.
NEver mindwe havetried our best to educate you and we have failed.
Shame you will remain in ignorance.
You have a one world view.
Grimes had no axe to grind.
He merely did his job.
The trouble is, you're blinded by your adoration of the Mccanns.
I do not 'adore' the McCanns. I have never warmed to them and find them slightly creepy. I denounce their childcare.
I do support justice and fairness, the right to beassumed innocent till proven guilty, a right to privacy and a right to counter defamation.
I have never been a pro; my position is best described as anti-anti!
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There appears to be two or more thread on the subject of the cadaver dogs. Can admin combine them in due course?
Regarding Grimes and the alerts I have to agree it appears a bit of a sham. Do these people actually get paid for this spectacle?
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Something I've always found a bit strange: as far as I can work out, Eddie didn't react to the boot.
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Something I've always found a bit strange: as far as I can work out, Eddie didn't react to the boot.
That is correct. He reacted to a scent that probably came from the blood on the key fob which was confirmed by Forensics to be Gerry's. He did not seem to be deployed in the boot which Keela reacted to; deploying him would prove nothing as both react to dried blood.
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Something I've always found a bit strange: as far as I can work out, Eddie didn't react to the boot.
That is correct. He reacted to a scent that probably came from the blood on the key fob which was confirmed by Forensics to be Gerry's. He did not seem to be deployed in the boot which Keela reacted to; deploying him would prove nothing as both react to dried blood.
But why didn't he react to the outside of the boot if that is where the "residues" were supposed to have been?
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Something I've always found a bit strange: as far as I can work out, Eddie didn't react to the boot.
That is correct. He reacted to a scent that probably came from the blood on the key fob which was confirmed by Forensics to be Gerry's. He did not seem to be deployed in the boot which Keela reacted to; deploying him would prove nothing as both react to dried blood.
But why didn't he react to the outside of the boot if that is where the "residues" were supposed to have been?
THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
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Something I've always found a bit strange: as far as I can work out, Eddie didn't react to the boot.
That is correct. He reacted to a scent that probably came from the blood on the key fob which was confirmed by Forensics to be Gerry's. He did not seem to be deployed in the boot which Keela reacted to; deploying him would prove nothing as both react to dried blood.
But why didn't he react to the outside of the boot if that is where the "residues" were supposed to have been?
THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
Phew. Thank God for that. They could have been there all week.
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THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
But my point is slightly different, Debunker.
IFFF there had been the odour of decomposing human material in the boot, why didn't Eddie even react?
Keela reacted to the inside of the boot. She had only been been trained to search for the physical presence of tiny amounts of blood, apparently. There was no forensic evidence to corroborate that blood had been found. However, I find it more logical that, if that was the only substance that she had been trained to detect, that her reaction may have been accurate.
Keela seems to have been the key dog, not Eddie.
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THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
But my point is slightly different, Debunker.
IFFF there had been the odour of decomposing human material in the boot, why didn't Eddie even react?
Keela reacted to the inside of the boot. She had only been been trained to search for the physical presence of tiny amounts of blood, apparently. There was no forensic evidence to corroborate that blood had been found. However, I find it more logical that, if that was the only substance that she had been trained to detect, that her reaction may have been accurate.
Keela seems to have been the key dog, not Eddie.
IIRC Eddie was not deployed in the boot.
I am not sure you understand how the dogs work together.
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THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
But my point is slightly different, Debunker.
IFFF there had been the odour of decomposing human material in the boot, why didn't Eddie even react?
Keela reacted to the inside of the boot. She had only been been trained to search for the physical presence of tiny amounts of blood, apparently. There was no forensic evidence to corroborate that blood had been found. However, I find it more logical that, if that was the only substance that she had been trained to detect, that her reaction may have been accurate.
Keela seems to have been the key dog, not Eddie.
Eddie was often confused, and decidedly manic. Not all that well behaved at all. But Martin Grime knew that.
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THere was undoubtedly blood in the car in the boot and on the key fob. Keela is trained to mark very specifically where the scent originates. Eddie is trained to react to global odors and does not localise them. Once he had marked the car there w as s no more to be gained by deploying him.
But my point is slightly different, Debunker.
IFFF there had been the odour of decomposing human material in the boot, why didn't Eddie even react?
Keela reacted to the inside of the boot. She had only been been trained to search for the physical presence of tiny amounts of blood, apparently. There was no forensic evidence to corroborate that blood had been found. However, I find it more logical that, if that was the only substance that she had been trained to detect, that her reaction may have been accurate.
Keela seems to have been the key dog, not Eddie.
IIRC Eddie was not deployed in the boot.
I am not sure you understand how the dogs work together.
My question is not why he was not deployed inside the car.
It's why did he not REACT to the boot from the outside?
The boot with all this supposed post-mortem residue stuff.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?
Not the boot?
Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?
Not the boot?
Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?
Which raises another interesting point:
Keela reacted to the boot and Eddie didn't.
Both dogs react to the scent of blood.
An alerting/non alerting error?
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?
Not the boot?
Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?
KEela reacted to the boot. IIRC Eddie was not deployed in the car, if he was it would not have added anything to the knowledge. Only a negative reaction from Keela could do that.
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Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.
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Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.
But it's considered to be an important "fact"... I still haven't been able to verify that he had.
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Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.
But it's considered to be an important "fact"... I still haven't been able to verify that he had.
Eddie wasn't deployed in the car, no ...
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.
What exactly is Cadaver Odour?
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Here is an extended video of the Martin Grime's dog test using Eddie and Keela on the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.
http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/vid%C3%A9o-eddie-keela-et-la-renault-scenic-1278687
Note how the handler lingers with this car and taps it several times. Notice how the dog is more interested in the wall of the underground car park. Notice how the handler refused to leave the car until the dog had alerted? 8(0(*
Did he tap any of the other vehicles?
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.
What exactly is Cadaver Odour?
The cadaver "odour" is actually a cocktail of odours emitted by any body from a point shortly (but not immediately after) death through the various stages of decomposition right through to the skeletal stage.
Of course, secretions from living people decay just the same way as intact matter does in a dead person. That is why a cadaver dog will react to blood lost by a living person.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.
What exactly is Cadaver Odour?
It is shorthand for the odor of a variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.
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Here is an extended video of the Martin Grime's dog test using Eddie and Keela on the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.
http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/vid%C3%A9o-eddie-keela-et-la-renault-scenic-1278687
Note how the handler lingers with this car and taps it several times. Notice how the dog is more interested in the wall of the underground car park. Notice how the handler refused to leave the car until the dog had alerted? 8(0(*
Did he tap any of the other vehicles?
Got it in one, John. Who knows what the dog would have done, left to his own devices.
And Yer, what was it up that wall? All a bit of a laugh, really.
But then I don't suppose that you have seen the version that was first released, after being Edited by Duarte Levy. Although we never have been able to discover how Duarte Levy got his hands on it.
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Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.
You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction. The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.
NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.
What exactly is Cadaver Odour?
It is shorthand for the odor of a variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.
Cadaver Dogs don't seem to agree with you.
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It is shorthand for the odor of a variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.
Yes and extraordinarily though very many different chemicals develop with time, modifying the general smell, the HRD dogs yet identify it as cadaver scent.