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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: John on March 16, 2021, 02:36:57 AM
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Yes folks, it's all steam ahead apparently as Sandra Lean recently announced the setting up of a new Company and yet another Scottish Charity. The company name to be 'Innocence Betrayed' and the charity to be called "Long Road To Justice".
Seems the idea is for all the funds from sales of t-shirts, hoodies, car stickers, face masks and books to go into the company with profits thereafter transferred to the charity.
Apparently the accounts are going to be handled by a third party, very sensible given the last disaster of a charity Sandra Lean was involved with which was struck off and dissolved for failing to file annual accounts on time.
An organisation based on the English Inside Justice model seems to be the aim, an organisation which can put together further films and documentaries about not only the murder of Jodi Jones but other cases too. A tall order indeed for someone with such an abysmal record of bad judgement in previous false innocence cases.
As alternatives to the above names I would suggest 'Blind Justice' or even 'When Fools Rush In' would appear more fitting?
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Yes folks, it's all steam ahead apparently as Sandra Lean recently announced the setting up of a new Company and yet another Scottish Charity. The company name to be 'Innocence Betrayed' and the charity to be called "Long Road To Justice".
Seems the idea is for all the funds from sales of t-shirts, hoodies, car stickers, face masks and books to go into the company with profits thereafter transferred to the charity.
Apparently the accounts are going to be handled by a third party, very sensible given the last disaster of a charity Sandra Lean was involved with which was struck off and dissolved for failing to file annual accounts on time.
An organisation based on the English Inside Justice model seems to be the aim, an organisation which can put together further films and documentaries about not only the murder of Jodi Jones but other cases too. A tall order indeed for someone with such an abysmal record of bad judgement in previous false innocence cases.
As alternatives to the above names I would suggest 'Blind Justice' or even 'When Fools Rush In' would appear more fitting?
So this is all about propaganda now and not justice? A machine to influence the court of public opinion and put pressure on the judiciary? And there was me thinking this was all about Sandra Lean.
Do you think we should buy her a white charger for her birthday? @)(++(*
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Yes folks, it's all steam ahead apparently as Sandra Lean recently announced the setting up of a new Company and yet another Scottish Charity. The company name to be 'Innocence Betrayed' and the charity to be called "Long Road To Justice".
Seems the idea is for all the funds from sales of t-shirts, hoodies, car stickers, face masks and books to go into the company with profits thereafter transferred to the charity.
Apparently the accounts are going to be handled by a third party, very sensible given the last disaster of a charity Sandra Lean was involved with which was struck off and dissolved for failing to file annual accounts on time.
An organisation based on the English Inside Justice model seems to be the aim, an organisation which can put together further films and documentaries about not only the murder of Jodi Jones but other cases too. A tall order indeed for someone with such an abysmal record of bad judgement in previous false innocence cases.
As alternatives to the above names I would suggest 'Blind Justice' or even 'When Fools Rush In' would appear more fitting?
I like the tiny shelf with tiny tortoise on it behind her in the picture.
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I like the tiny shelf with tiny tortoise on it behind her in the picture.
That has given me a great idea for a new name synonymous with that little creature.
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That has given me a great idea for a new name synonymous with that little creature.
The tortoise. Lives in a shell, hard headed, very slow, very small brain, can live for over 200 years.
Now back to topic.
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Yes folks, it's all steam ahead apparently as Sandra Lean recently announced the setting up of a new Company
Will she still be running her hypnotherapy business?
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Will she still be running her hypnotherapy business?
Is she a hypnotherapist too as well as an author, researcher, crime 'expert', campaign leader and budding youtuber?
A Hypnotherapist:
A hypnotherapist is a skilled and trained professional who, by inducing a trance-like state, helps people use their subconscious mind to change behavioural patterns or ways of thinking.
Could come in handy that!
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Is she a hypnotherapist too as well as an author, researcher, crime 'expert', campaign leader and budding youtuber?
if you look at her linkedin profile, the only jobs she regards herself as having done is author and researched since 2008, and before that working in alternative health shop
i remember this shop in newtongrange and it was full of crystals and shit
Also a "paralegal":
https://insidetime.org/truth-justice-certainty-and-finality/ (https://insidetime.org/truth-justice-certainty-and-finality/)
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if you look at her linkedin profile, the only jobs she regards herself as having done is author and researched since 2008, and before that working in alternative health shop
i remember this shop in newtongrange and it was full of crystals and shit
Also a "paralegal":
https://insidetime.org/truth-justice-certainty-and-finality/ (https://insidetime.org/truth-justice-certainty-and-finality/)
Does she have more than one LinkedIn page or has it been changed over the years ? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383389.html#msg383389
‘Sandra Lean
author and researcher
2003 – Present (14 years)
"For ten years, I have researched and written about cases of wrongful conviction and factual innocence. I have tried to assist a number of people over the years, and campaign, write articles, etc, wherever I am able to help. I obtained a Specialist Paralegal Qualification in Criminal Law in 2010, via Criminal Law Training and Strathclyde University.
I completed a PhD in 2012, the thesis title being "Hidden in Plain View," which studied the factors which lead to wrongful convictions, and why ordinary people are completely unaware of these factors.
I am currently writing two further books, as follow-ups to my first book, "No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice" which was published by Checkpoint Press, Ireland in 2008.
In my "other life," I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.
Beginning with the murder of Jodi Jones in 2003, and the subsequent conviction of her boyfriend Luke Mitchell in 2005, I have studied and written about wrongful convictions of factualy innocent individuals in the UK ever since. I currently support a number of campaigns fighting injustice. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandra-lean-4b499a43
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if you look at her linkedin profile, the only jobs she regards herself as having done is author and researched since 2008, and before that working in alternative health shop
She says she has an ‘other life’ WakeyWakey
In my "other life," I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.
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A Hypnotherapist:
A hypnotherapist is a skilled and trained professional who, by inducing a trance-like state, helps people use their subconscious mind to change behavioural patterns or ways of thinking.
Could a hypnotherapist’s clientele be referred to as vulnerable and/or open to abuses?
I’ve read there is a ‘dark side’ to hypnosis
https://www.hgi.org.uk/resources/delve-our-extensive-library/ethics/uses-and-abuses-hypnosis
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Could a hypnotherapist’s clientele be referred to as vulnerable and/or open to abuses?
I’ve read there is a ‘dark side’ to hypnosis
https://www.hgi.org.uk/resources/delve-our-extensive-library/ethics/uses-and-abuses-hypnosis
Excerpt from above link
First, do no harm
Whether trance work does harm or not depends on many factors including:
• the integrity of the person doing the therapy
• the therapist’s sincerity and intelligence (emotional and otherwise)
• their level of skill and how well they use language skills; especially metaphor
• the therapist’s level of psychological knowledge and self-knowledge
• their understanding of innate emotional needs about what a patient really requires
• the therapist’s ability to put their own ego aside
• the nature of the ideas absorbed by the patient.
Is Sandra Lean accredited with any professional organisations and if so who are they?
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Excerpt from above link
First, do no harm
Whether trance work does harm or not depends on many factors including:
• the integrity of the person doing the therapy
• the therapist’s sincerity and intelligence (emotional and otherwise)
• their level of skill and how well they use language skills; especially metaphor
• the therapist’s level of psychological knowledge and self-knowledge
• their understanding of innate emotional needs about what a patient really requires
• the therapist’s ability to put their own ego aside
• the nature of the ideas absorbed by the patient.
Is Sandra Lean accredited with any professional organisations and if so who are they?
And how many ‘hypnotherapists’ do you know who promote themselves wearing contacts which appear ‘scary and empty and dark’ (pointed out by someone else btw)
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As an aside - the NXIVM cult used hypnotic induction
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nxivm-keith-raniere-wellness-scam-sex-cult-848439/
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By the way, I've just written to the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator in Dundee and made a formal complaint about her involvement in any future Scottish charities given what happened with the WAP charity. In my opinion she is an unfit person to hold a directorship of any charity.
Watch this space.
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By the way, I've just written to the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator in Dundee and made a formal complaint about her involvement in any future Scottish charities given what happened with the WAP charity. In my opinion she is an unfit person to hold a directorship of any charity.
Watch this space.
I have a feeling this will get back to her very quickly - tonight, probably.
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Why is Sandra always asking for money?
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Why is Sandra always asking for money?
Wasn't it coincidental that the planned march on the Scottish Parliament building was suddenly cancelled after the GoFundMe account was suspended. This might be the wrong post for this thread but I don't believe the reason given why the fundraiser was suspended. It was stated that the money was to help Corinne get back on her feet. We then hear whispers from Facebook that Corinne had allegedly said she didn't want it but would put it aside for Luke. We are then told that GoFundMe had reacted to complaints about this and acted accordingly.
The money was raised on the basis it was for Corinne Mitchell. The fundraiser stated, "Corinne Mitchell's life was ruined by a justice system gone wrong". That claim is merely Sandra Lean's opinion, it is not an established fact by any means. It goes directly against the legal status of the conviction.
In my view the fundraiser was a misrepresentation of the facts and that is why GoFundMe chose to do what they did.
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I have a feeling this will get back to her very quickly - tonight, probably.
It’s a public forum.
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So this is all about propaganda now and not justice? A machine to influence the court of public opinion and put pressure on the judiciary? And there was me thinking this was all about Sandra Lean.
Do you think we should buy her a white charger for her birthday? @)(++(*
Does anyone know the name of the ‘external examiners’ who passed off Sandra Lean’s diabolical ‘thesis’
Was reminded of the following ⬇️ recently
Sandra Lean
“Evening, everyone, I've not been able to follow the forum because once again, when I try to log in from my.internet connection, I'm told I'm banned :( mods or admins, help pls? Just discovered I can get in on my phone.
I haven't commented on the Simon Hall situation because, like everyone else, I don't know all of the facts. As far as taking things at face value is concerned, are the critics suggesting that Dr Michael Naughton, the entire innocence project, the various other experts who were involved, the MPs and campaign groups and documentary makers ALL took the claims of innocence at face value, or is that just reserved for me? Is it also being suggested that stirling University and the Scottish centre for Crime and Justice Research, as well as their external examiners also accept research at face value? Please, a little common sense!
If it turns out that Simon Halls confession is genuine, made in sound mind, without any coercion or pressure, then I will willingly hold up my hands and say I got it wrong. That doesn't, however, take away from the fact that the conviction was obtained on the flimsiest evidence (so said the DPP himself) and that should sound an alarmfor everyone that wrongfulconvictions of innocent people are inevitable if such weak circumstantial cases are not robustly challenged. I, for one, would rather keep on questioning until there are convincing answers to the unanswered questions in cases like this , of course there will be times when the person turns out to be guilty as charged, but in the words of Roy Ramm, I want to see solid building blocks of evidence - otherwise, we're depending on blind faith, and handing over out right to know that true justice is being obtained in return for "trust us, we know who the bad guys are" placations.
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Is she a hypnotherapist too as well as an author, researcher, crime 'expert', campaign leader and budding youtuber?
A Hypnotherapist:
A hypnotherapist is a skilled and trained professional who, by inducing a trance-like state, helps people use their subconscious mind to change behavioural patterns or ways of thinking.
Could come in handy that!
And interestingly - on the 4th December 2020 Sandra Lean stated,
‘As a clinical hypnotherapist, I know a bit about the power of suggestion. Confusion is a really powerful technique - while the conscious mind is trying to work out the confusing information, the ‘suggestion” is quietly being absorbed...’[/i]
In full
Sandra Lean
‘As a qualified clinical hypnotherapist, I know a bit about the power of suggestion. Confusion is a really effective technique – while the conscious mind is trying to work out the confusing information, the “suggestion” is quietly being absorbed. Shock/sudden interruption is another effective technique – a sudden change of direction startles the “thinking” mind and, as it tries to get back on course, the “suggestion” is quietly being absorbed. Linking unrelated information is another. For maximum effect, ensure there are many subliminal “pointers” to your “suggestion” scattered all around (it’s how advertising works) – signs, posters, images, film clips – all supporting each other and the main “suggestion.” Finally, if you can focus attention intensely onto one thing, everything else will come to be seen through the filter of that one thing – it’s how fears and phobias work – the more you focus on the thing you’re afraid of, the more afraid you become.
Does any of that sound familiar?
I started noticing the patterns clinical therapists use in one to one sessions being used on a massive scale back in April - virtually everything was wiped from mainstream media and the entire focus was on CV19 - good and bad (e.g. clap for the NHS, but also be terrified of your neighbour ... who is also out clapping, but at a safe distance). The subliminals were almost instantaneous - how did all those stores get perspex shields, posters, floor stickers, tape, etc so quickly? How did the usual manufacturers not run out within a week?
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Does anyone know the name of the ‘external examiners’ who passed off Sandra Lean’s diabolical ‘thesis’
Was reminded of the following ⬇️ recently
Sandra Lean
“Evening, everyone, I've not been able to follow the forum because once again, when I try to log in from my.internet connection, I'm told I'm banned :( mods or admins, help pls? Just discovered I can get in on my phone.
I haven't commented on the Simon Hall situation because, like everyone else, I don't know all of the facts. As far as taking things at face value is concerned, are the critics suggesting that Dr Michael Naughton, the entire innocence project, the various other experts who were involved, the MPs and campaign groups and documentary makers ALL took the claims of innocence at face value, or is that just reserved for me? Is it also being suggested that stirling University and the Scottish centre for Crime and Justice Research, as well as their external examiners also accept research at face value? Please, a little common sense!
If it turns out that Simon Halls confession is genuine, made in sound mind, without any coercion or pressure, then I will willingly hold up my hands and say I got it wrong. That doesn't, however, take away from the fact that the conviction was obtained on the flimsiest evidence (so said the DPP himself) and that should sound an alarmfor everyone that wrongfulconvictions of innocent people are inevitable if such weak circumstantial cases are not robustly challenged. I, for one, would rather keep on questioning until there are convincing answers to the unanswered questions in cases like this , of course there will be times when the person turns out to be guilty as charged, but in the words of Roy Ramm, I want to see solid building blocks of evidence - otherwise, we're depending on blind faith, and handing over out right to know that true justice is being obtained in return for "trust us, we know who the bad guys are" placations.
Do you notice that not being able to get onto the internet is a very common excuse with Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
‘I know a bit about the power of suggestion
She really does.
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All posters are reminded to keep comments amicable and to the point. Information provided to support debate should be accompanied by a link where possible. Please abide by the rules which have been developed for everyone's benefit. TY
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Why is Sandra always asking for money?
What happened to the fighting fund.....🤨🤨🤨
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What happened to the fighting fund.....🤨🤨🤨
Surely 'a leading criminologist' such as Dr Lean would be awash with cash.
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Surely 'a leading criminologist' such as Dr Lean would be awash with cash.
Mis ‘leading’ is more apt
According to ‘Unicorn Princess’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uO3K0Nv3Lww Sandra Lean is selling her house and making her caravan
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBuWO8lBuhw
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Yes folks, it's all steam ahead apparently as Sandra Lean recently announced the setting up of a new Company and yet another Scottish Charity. The company name to be 'Innocence Betrayed' and the charity to be called "Long Road To Justice".
Seems the idea is for all the funds from sales of t-shirts, hoodies, car stickers, face masks and books to go into the company with profits thereafter transferred to the charity.
Apparently the accounts are going to be handled by a third party, very sensible given the last disaster of a charity Sandra Lean was involved with which was struck off and dissolved for failing to file annual accounts on time.
An organisation based on the English Inside Justice model seems to be the aim, an organisation which can put together further films and documentaries about not only the murder of Jodi Jones but other cases too. A tall order indeed for someone with such an abysmal record of bad judgement in previous false innocence cases.
As alternatives to the above names I would suggest 'Blind Justice' or even 'When Fools Rush In' would appear more fitting?
Not any more? It would seem everything is being handed over to a new 'legal team'. What exactly is going on here?
Ms Lean latest Q&A - I can't put the link up as there is an issue with You Tube and being over subscribed at present. (SL) Ms Lean a couple of weeks ago had stated that she was holding on to all of the case files - to protect Luke. And as we know, a new charity had been set up "long Road to Justice" - which is not happening anymore, dissolved already?
There have been many support groups set up - which has ended in major fall outs between admins and Ms Lean herself. - The latest being over SF and of Ms Lean being called out, over not being quite as honest as people had believed her to be??
These disputes, debacles ? - Have ended with Ms Lean letting people know that she is taking a step back from social media. That she is no longer at the fore of fighting for Luke Mitchell? The new legal team? which is pro bono? and private investigators are now looking into the case, from here in England.- Luke has in effect taken control away from Ms Lean and given to someone else? She claims to have spoken with him, asked him directly if he would like her to step down completely. To which he has asked her to keep working away in the background?? That if any funding should be required for this pro bono team to do testing - then there are some funds, already collected that can be used to help with this?
Something very odd in all of this, is there not? Who ever has taken this over, is not being named, only that it is the same type of charity that Ms Lean herself was attempting to have a platform for in Scotland. - What about these others? that were to be part of this platform, that were to be helped in Scotland? It is very similar to the old WAP is it not? - That once Ms Lean had lost POA in the LM case - it was closed down? We have seen several attempts by Ms Lean over the Truth seeker project, that lasted all of two podcasts? The 'Long Road to Justice' - promised for over two years now, with technical issues being blamed for the delay in getting it up and running?
Over two years ago also - there was this plight to raise funds, for Ms Lean to give up one of her part time jobs. To enable her to put the man hours into putting this case onto hard drive. That everything had been handed back from MOJO in a terrible state. That "potential" new evidence could be lost if this was not done at great haste?? - For a waiver to then be signed at some point? - For Jack and Victor (private investigators) to look over this case, a set of new eyes?? - So, did they take this complete messed up boxes of case files? Manage to sort through the lot of them, come to their conclusion, to start filming with C5 for over a year? - In the space of a very short period of time? (2019-20) - Of course, what they did also say, is that they were not given everything? - What exactly then, were they given? - That they managed to study this case and come to those exact same conclusions, as Ms Lean? - the same people of interest, of there not being enough blood at the scene and that Jodi was possibly murdered elsewhere?? - Nonsense is it not? Wool being pulled over peoples eyes?
And she was asked questions around SF yet again - Asked if he were a lawyer, and if he had been LM's - her answer was, "ask him?" Asked if Luke had read her book? Remember this book is about him, permission given to use some stuff from his case files, published and released in 2018. And she said. He is so far through it?? He finds it difficult to read?? But that he is happy with it???
All very serious and very sad for Ms Lean, this departing of ways?? Not really, no?. - All a bit too much again, perhaps it is. These new followers not quite the patient bunch, and very vocal when it came to maligning all and sundry - Malign SF's or Ms Lean herself though? - simply not on. She did however manage to find some sense of humour with one poster. When asked if Jodi's family were aware of this new legal team, to which one poster replied "well they do now" - That little dig, that slight upon what can only have been, yet again the most horrendous few weeks for them. For Ms Lean to find humour in this. - She, and I do not care what anyone says - Has had some serious personal issues with Jodi's family, from that friendship in 2003. From involvement with LM? Has she not? - No professionalism at all?
She has informed her faithful followers that this new legal 'pr bono' team may request that everything is removed from social media - Exactly what should not have been happening in the first instance. The damage that this may already have done, if there were to be any chances for LM? - The damage to others, not really important, are they? That the investigators, not Jack and Victor - who have also been maligned for their shoddy work, are we hear of a better standard. Professional ones?? Who may be able to put a few areas together, which may "pass" as new evidence?? - So not with the new legal team then?
What is going on? - The message should be clear should it not? Perhaps the media will pick up on it and let people know that way? Luke's followers and Not Ms Leans. As one admin stated - "We have the full backing of Corinne" - Not Ms Lean?
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Not any more? It would seem everything is being handed over to a new 'legal team'. What exactly is going on here?
Ms Lean latest Q&A - I can't put the link up as there is an issue with You Tube and being over subscribed at present. (SL) Ms Lean a couple of weeks ago had stated that she was holding on to all of the case files - to protect Luke. And as we know, a new charity had been set up "long Road to Justice" - which is not happening anymore, dissolved already?
There have been many support groups set up - which has ended in major fall outs between admins and Ms Lean herself. - The latest being over SF and of Ms Lean being called out, over not being quite as honest as people had believed her to be??
These disputes, debacles ? - Have ended with Ms Lean letting people know that she is taking a step back from social media. That she is no longer at the fore of fighting for Luke Mitchell? The new legal team? which is pro bono? and private investigators are now looking into the case, from here in England.- Luke has in effect taken control away from Ms Lean and given to someone else? She claims to have spoken with him, asked him directly if he would like her to step down completely. To which he has asked her to keep working away in the background?? That if any funding should be required for this pro bono team to do testing - then there are some funds, already collected that can be used to help with this?
Something very odd in all of this, is there not? Who ever has taken this over, is not being named, only that it is the same type of charity that Ms Lean herself was attempting to have a platform for in Scotland. - What about these others? that were to be part of this platform, that were to be helped in Scotland? It is very similar to the old WAP is it not? - That once Ms Lean had lost POA in the LM case - it was closed down? We have seen several attempts by Ms Lean over the Truth seeker project, that lasted all of two podcasts? The 'Long Road to Justice' - promised for over two years now, with technical issues being blamed for the delay in getting it up and running?
Over two years ago also - there was this plight to raise funds, for Ms Lean to give up one of her part time jobs. To enable her to put the man hours into putting this case onto hard drive. That everything had been handed back from MOJO in a terrible state. That "potential" new evidence could be lost if this was not done at great haste?? - For a waiver to then be signed at some point? - For Jack and Victor (private investigators) to look over this case, a set of new eyes?? - So, did they take this complete messed up boxes of case files? Manage to sort through the lot of them, come to their conclusion, to start filming with C5 for over a year? - In the space of a very short period of time? (2019-20) - Of course, what they did also say, is that they were not given everything? - What exactly then, were they given? - That they managed to study this case and come to those exact same conclusions, as Ms Lean? - the same people of interest, of there not being enough blood at the scene and that Jodi was possibly murdered elsewhere?? - Nonsense is it not? Wool being pulled over peoples eyes?
And she was asked questions around SF yet again - Asked if he were a lawyer, and if he had been LM's - her answer was, "ask him?" Asked if Luke had read her book? Remember this book is about him, permission given to use some stuff from his case files, published and released in 2018. And she said. He is so far through it?? He finds it difficult to read?? But that he is happy with it???
All very serious and very sad for Ms Lean, this departing of ways?? Not really, no?. - All a bit too much again, perhaps it is. These new followers not quite the patient bunch, and very vocal when it came to maligning all and sundry - Malign SF's or Ms Lean herself though? - simply not on. She did however manage to find some sense of humour with one poster. When asked if Jodi's family were aware of this new legal team, to which one poster replied "well they do now" - That little dig, that slight upon what can only have been, yet again the most horrendous few weeks for them. For Ms Lean to find humour in this. - She, and I do not care what anyone says - Has had some serious personal issues with Jodi's family, from that friendship in 2003. From involvement with LM? Has she not? - No professionalism at all?
She has informed her faithful followers that this new legal 'pr bono' team may request that everything is removed from social media - Exactly what should not have been happening in the first instance. The damage that this may already have done, if there were to be any chances for LM? - The damage to others, not really important, are they? That the investigators, not Jack and Victor - who have also been maligned for their shoddy work, are we hear of a better standard. Professional ones?? Who may be able to put a few areas together, which may "pass" as new evidence?? - So not with the new legal team then?
What is going on? - The message should be clear should it not? Perhaps the media will pick up on it and let people know that way? Luke's followers and Not Ms Leans. As one admin stated - "We have the full backing of Corinne" - Not Ms Lean?
What will you do now a new legal team is on board and Dr Lean fades into the distance? A new team who, it must be remembered, would not have taken over the case if they thought progress couldn’t be made.
I expect the new team, once it is revealed, will be slurred mercilessly, just as others have, from the get go.
The groups, the antipathy towards Dr Lean, the hastily set up charities that collapsed just as speedily, those discussions will soon matter not a jot. The law will overshadow the pettiness that this case has descended into and hopefully future debate will be all the better for it.
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There have been many support groups set up - which has ended in major fall outs between admins and Ms Lean herself. - The latest being over SF and of Ms Lean being called out, over not being quite as honest as people had believed her to be??
Not even 4 months since the TV show - wonder how long it’ll take the others to recognise all isn’t as it appears and that Luke Mitchell is guilty ?
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Jeez more unnamed legal teams @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Not even 4 months since the TV show - wonder how long it’ll take the others to recognise all isn’t as it appears
I think the cracks in Leans fairy tale have been well and truly exposed. She is away into hiding again @)(++(*
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What will you do now a new legal team is on board and Dr Lean fades into the distance? A new team who, it must be remembered, would not have taken over the case if they thought progress couldn’t be made.
I expect the new team, once it is revealed, will be slurred mercilessly, just as others have, from the get go.
Will this ‘new legal team’ be like Scott Forbes?
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What will you do now a new legal team is on board and Dr Lean fades into the distance? A new team who, it must be remembered, would not have taken over the case if they thought progress couldn’t be made.
I expect the new team, once it is revealed, will be slurred mercilessly, just as others have, from the get go.
The groups, the antipathy towards Dr Lean, the hastily set up charities that collapsed just as speedily, those discussions will soon matter not a jot. The law will overshadow the pettiness that this case has descended into and hopefully future debate will be all the better for it.
Those discussions however will "matter a jot" - The law will take them on board should this case see the light of a court room again. Does one imagine that all that has been said over the years from CM, SL and so forth will have suddenly disappeared? That it will be irrelevant?
This new team from my understanding is along the lines of MOJO. A team where there is a person of law on board. Who are taking the case over, to look through. Not that there is an actual defence team on board at present.
And this slurred mercilessly? - Legal team, certainly not by myself. This constant 'pot and kettle' - the pettiness that you yourself have brought the discussion down to, time and again. That correction of spelling, the constant mockery - that predictive personal slate upon others in defence of?
And of my use of it. To highlight that those that were supposed to have joined forces, have split apart. That they condemn the very people from the C5 documentary, naming those investigators Jack and Victor ( not my words) And all else - from what should have been, a strong united front.
And that clear antipathy that you have, for every single poster who speaks out in defence of the Crowns case. That predictive air of superiority that has become your fashion.
One has only to welcome a new legal team, not to slate them. - To have exactly what LM needs - Professionalism. And one hopes that through this review of his case, by the proper legal avenues - will bring about a proper defence team. A lawful, fair crack at that whip, if there should be legal reasons to take this case before the courts again. To have two sides, legally, professionally and maturely - Not the drip fed bias in this mockery of a case that has been invented and over ridden with the exact opposite.
And as for future debate and the pettiness - It would be a breath of fresh air. - To discuss it, without all that has tainted it. To leave the books, the social media and all else aside. Where there is that fade into the distance - removed from that "parapet" - To discuss the case of LM V HMA. That has become lost.
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Not any more? It would seem everything is being handed over to a new 'legal team'. What exactly is going on here?
Ms Lean latest Q&A - I can't put the link up as there is an issue with You Tube and being over subscribed at present. (SL) Ms Lean a couple of weeks ago had stated that she was holding on to all of the case files - to protect Luke.
Yet more contradictions
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There have been many support groups set up - which has ended in major fall outs between admins and Ms Lean herself. - The latest being over SF and of Ms Lean being called out, over not being quite as honest as people had believed her to be??
She’s a bare faced liar
Fiona Scott asked her,
‘Why did one of the official get charged with threatening to set Hamilton on fire? Did they ask you if they could put that video out then?’ (Sic)
Sandra Lean replied, no one was threatened or words to that effect - which is a lie
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These disputes, debacles ? - Have ended with Ms Lean letting people know that she is taking a step back from social media. That she is no longer at the fore of fighting for Luke Mitchell? The new legal team? which is pro bono? and private investigators are now looking into the case, from here in England.- Luke has in effect taken control away from Ms Lean and given to someone else? She claims to have spoken with him, asked him directly if he would like her to step down completely. To which he has asked her to keep working away in the background?? That if any funding should be required for this pro bono team to do testing - then there are some funds, already collected that can be used to help with this?
Something very odd in all of this, is there not?
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Could it be to do with Corinne and Sandra again?
“A CRIMINOLOGIST who spearheaded efforts to overturn Luke Mitchell’s conviction for the murder of his girlfriend Jodi Jones has withdrawn from the campaign to free him.
Dr Sandra Lean, who highlighted his case in her book No Smoke! The Shocking Truth About British Justice, led the battle against Mitchell’s life sentence alongside his mother, Corinne.
Her withdrawal follows a ruling by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC), which found there were no grounds to challenge the guilty verdict.
Following the report’s publication, Dr Lean admitted it was a “shattering blow” to the long-running campaign to clear 25-year-old Mitchell’s name, but said he would “not give up his fight”.
Sources said Mrs Mitchell had become unhappy with Dr Lean’s involvement in the wake of the SCCRC ruling, which followed two years of investigation by Scotland’s official justice watchdog.
Dr Lean would not comment on any factors behind her departure, adding the “reasons would remain private as a matter of respect”.
Mrs Mitchell confirmed Dr Lean had left, but did not want to comment further.
Dr Lean said: “I really have nothing to say about this. I believe Luke is 100 per cent completely innocent. The reason for my withdrawal will remain private as a matter of respect.”
Dr Lean added she would not be involved with the website and forum set up to promote Mitchell’s cause as “I no longer have power of attorney”.
But a source said: “Mrs Mitchell blames Dr Lean for the SCCRC appeal failing, which is completely wrong. Dr Lean has dedicated ten years of her life to the cause and has done a really good job.
“It’s appalling for her to be treated this way and it’s left the campaign in disarray.”
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/criminologist-withdraws-from-fight-to-free-luke-mitchell-1-3478153
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Something very odd in all of this, is there not? Who ever has taken this over, is not being named, only that it is the same type of charity that Ms Lean herself was attempting to have a platform for in Scotland. - What about these others? that were to be part of this platform, that were to be helped in Scotland? It is very similar to the old WAP is it not? - That once Ms Lean had lost POA in the LM case - it was closed down? We have seen several attempts by Ms Lean over the Truth seeker project, that lasted all of two podcasts? The 'Long Road to Justice' - promised for over two years now, with technical issues being blamed for the delay in getting it up and running?
Over two years ago also - there was this plight to raise funds, for Ms Lean to give up one of her part time jobs. To enable her to put the man hours into putting this case onto hard drive. That everything had been handed back from MOJO in a terrible state.
MOJO Scotland were - according to Sandra Lean - ‘giving people false hope’ ⬇️
2019
‘Dr Sandra Lean said it was "really exciting" when MOJO asked to get involved with Luke Mitchell case two years ago.
Mitchell was jailed for the 2003 murder of Jodi Jones, 14, but continues to protest his innocence.
Lean said: "It was really exciting news. It looked like the case was getting picked up again, it looked like there was going to be some real progress here."
However, last month Mitchell's mother Corinne blasted MOJO for "doing nothing" since taking on her son's case and recovered his case files from their office.
Lean told STV News: "Part of the problem was the promises being made were not being kept. The case review itself was something of a farce. There was no central strategy. There was no planned route to how this review was going to take place.
"The idea of having the Luke Mitchell case, this huge case on their books, was good publicity for them."
The campaigners say that the alleged failings may have harmed Mitchell's case.
Lean added: "I was going to say it's a disaster but if they're not doing the work, they're giving false hope to people and that, in the circumstances these people are in, that it shocking, that is dreadful.
⬆️ by Russell Findlay - the MP Sandra referred to recently
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For Jack and Victor (private investigators) to look over this case, a set of new eyes?? - So, did they take this complete messed up boxes of case files? Manage to sort through the lot of them, come to their conclusion, to start filming with C5 for over a year? - In the space of a very short period of time? (2019-20) - Of course, what they did also say, is that they were not given everything? - What exactly then, were they given? - That they managed to study this case and come to those exact same conclusions, as Ms Lean? - the same people of interest, of there not being enough blood at the scene and that Jodi was possibly murdered elsewhere?? - Nonsense is it not? Wool being pulled over peoples eyes?
Total nonsense
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And she was asked questions around SF yet again - Asked if he were a lawyer, and if he had been LM's - her answer was, "ask him?" Asked if Luke had read her book? Remember this book is about him, permission given to use some stuff from his case files, published and released in 2018. And she said. He is so far through it?? He finds it difficult to read?? But that he is happy with it???
Please *&^^&
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All very serious and very sad for Ms Lean, this departing of ways?? Not really, no?. - All a bit too much again, perhaps it is. These new followers not quite the patient bunch, and very vocal when it came to maligning all and sundry - Malign SF's or Ms Lean herself though? - simply not on. She did however manage to find some sense of humour with one poster. When asked if Jodi's family were aware of this new legal team, to which one poster replied "well they do now" - That little dig
The Jones family won’t be interested
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She has informed her faithful followers that this new legal 'pr bono' team may request that everything is removed from social media - Exactly what should not have been happening in the first instance. The damage that this may already have done, if there were to be any chances for LM? - The damage to others, not really important, are they? That the investigators, not Jack and Victor - who have also been maligned for their shoddy work, are we hear of a better standard. Professional ones?? Who may be able to put a few areas together, which may "pass" as new evidence?? - So not with the new legal team then?
Absolute codswallop ! Will she also withdraw her second book?
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This new team from my understanding is along the lines of MOJO. A team where there is a person of law on board. Who are taking the case over, to look through. Not that there is an actual defence team on board at present.
Sounds about right
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I think the cracks in Leans fairy tale have been well and truly exposed. She is away into hiding again @)(++(*
They were exposed years ago - I wonder how many from that TV show bothered to carry out their due diligence
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Those discussions however will "matter a jot" - The law will take them on board should this case see the light of a court room again. Does one imagine that all that has been said over the years from CM, SL and so forth will have suddenly disappeared? That it will be irrelevant?
Yes. Any appeal will be argued on points of law, on the evidence of new witnesses, not social media tittle tattle, even from Corrine and Dr Lean.
This new team from my understanding is along the lines of MOJO. A team where there is a person of law on board. Who are taking the case over, to look through. Not that there is an actual defence team on board at present.
Shall we just wait and see?
And of my use of it. To highlight that those that were supposed to have joined forces, have split apart. That they condemn the very people from the C5 documentary, naming those investigators Jack and Victor ( not my words) And all else - from what should have been, a strong united front.
It was always going to be thus. We have been around groups like this for too long for it to come as a surprise. Too many egos and not enough appreciation of how long the law takes…if it moves at all.
One has only to welcome a new legal team, not to slate them. - To have exactly what LM needs - Professionalism. And one hopes that through this review of his case, by the proper legal avenues - will bring about a proper defence team. A lawful, fair crack at that whip, if there should be legal reasons to take this case before the courts again. To have two sides, legally, professionally and maturely.
Couldn’t agree more.
And as for future debate and the pettiness - It would be a breath of fresh air. - To discuss it, without all that has tainted it. To leave the books, the social media and all else aside. Where there is that fade into the distance - removed from that "parapet" - To discuss the case of LM V HMA. That has become lost.
Again I find myself agreeing with you in the main. However as the sources you mention above are the main disseminators of information on this case I’m not sure ignoring them would prove either possible or appropriate.
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One was not of course talking of an appeal, but that of these aims for a re-trial. Where ones honestly very much comes into play. And what better than having it filmed. So not quite the tittle tattle you are putting it down to. - I know, all pie in the sky, and as you rightly say. Time moves on, witnesses and evidence are lost along the way. And somewhat foolish of myself in speaking of something, that even with the slim to nil chance already there, of coming to pass - will certainly be beyond a lot of peoples life yrs remaining.
One would be making a fair assumption - That if there was actually a legal team, worth its salt already on board. That from past experience of 'good news' There would be cries of delight as opposed to this somewhat subdued being? - Of these researchers (students?) attempting to put something together. But fresh eyes and minds are definitely needed. And I for one have not been slurring legal teams - Passing comment to the difficult these professionals had to have LM walk free an innocent lad/man. - Is it not yourself, CM and so forth that have slurred these legal teams?
And of discussing a case at some future point - perhaps a point when one does not have the power of disclosure in Scotland in their hands. There will be no bearing at all, on the nonsense that has been getting spouted for years. A time when each and every statement, every piece of evidence as opposed to this solo case of defence - is there for people to freely see - to say, what a fool I was, to yet again put faith in the writings of those vying for that story?
I would bet that bottom dollar, should anyone legally attempt to take this case forward - it will not be on the basis of anything that Ms Lean has written of. Those OTT assumptions, that narrative of having this school girl absent from classes, of being murdered elsewhere and miraculously transported, blood and all to the place where she actually did die. Of telling the court they were somewhat puzzled as to why no-one was looking in a caravan park, of that policeman writing "left with the boyfriend" this fat coroner, this bleaching a scene, this MK lookalike and all else, Those points that Ms Lean felt the SCCRC should have referred the case on? - and of course the tittle tattle. Rather the tit for tat of "what about them?" - These are not the legal things that will be searched for.
And we know and has been the case for many years - this plight of finding a way to prove that Jodi died later/earlier The very reason that TOD was mentioned. Of soil samples, lava and all else. - The type of tests that are carried out when someone has been dead for some time, of not knowing when they were last seen and so forth.
But you are correct - irrespective of what may happen. Of the legalities of anything. This case will be discussed around Ms Leans work. - And of any future works already in the pipeline - Perhaps the one already half written whilst the papers were sitting with the SCCRC? - who knows. But we do know, that if LM, perhaps at a time when his mother is no longer a factor in any of this- should then admit guilt. There will be no blame upon Ms Lean or anyone else's shoulders for the grief caused to others, these innocent people, the pawns and as Nicholas says - the commodities. The system will be blamed. As we have seen in the Hall and Prout case. And what has happened to the fight for Mathew Hamlen? Who seems to have disappeared? - Has he been cast aside?
These are the people I was speaking of, should this 'Long road to Justice' charity be already cast to the wind. - There are others, not just LM.
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One was not of course talking of an appeal, but that of these aims for a re-trial. Where ones honestly very much comes into play. And what better than having it filmed. So not quite the tittle tattle you are putting it down to. - I know, all pie in the sky, and as you rightly say. Time moves on, witnesses and evidence are lost along the way. And somewhat foolish of myself in speaking of something, that even with the slim to nil chance already there, of coming to pass - will certainly be beyond a lot of peoples life yrs remaining.
Aims for a retrial? Surely a simple quashing of the conviction is the aim? Unless you know otherwise?
But fresh eyes and minds are definitely needed.
Agreed.
And of discussing a case at some future point - perhaps a point when one does not have the power of disclosure in Scotland in their hands. There will be no bearing at all, on the nonsense that has been getting spouted for years. A time when each and every statement, every piece of evidence as opposed to this solo case of defence - is there for people to freely see - to say, what a fool I was, to yet again put faith in the writings of those vying for that story?
Do you see full disclosure of every piece of evidence in a criminal case ever being a possibility? Really?
I would bet that bottom dollar, should anyone legally attempt to take this case forward - it will not be on the basis of anything that Ms Lean has written of. Those OTT assumptions, that narrative of having this school girl absent from classes, of being murdered elsewhere and miraculously transported, blood and all to the place where she actually did die. Of telling the court they were somewhat puzzled as to why no-one was looking in a caravan park, of that policeman writing "left with the boyfriend" this fat coroner, this bleaching a scene, this MK lookalike and all else, Those points that Ms Lean felt the SCCRC should have referred the case on? - and of course the tittle tattle. Rather the tit for tat of "what about them?" - These are not the legal things that will be searched for.
An appeal, if granted, will go forward based on new evidence. Whether Dr Lean will play any part in bringing that evidence forward remains to be seen.
And we know and has been the case for many years - this plight of finding a way to prove that Jodi died later/earlier The very reason that TOD was mentioned. Of soil samples, lava and all else. - The type of tests that are carried out when someone has been dead for some time, of not knowing when they were last seen and so forth.
TOD was mentioned because it’s the single most important factor in the case.
But you are correct - irrespective of what may happen. Of the legalities of anything. This case will be discussed around Ms Leans work. - And of any future works already in the pipeline - Perhaps the one already half written whilst the papers were sitting with the SCCRC? - who knows. But we do know, that if LM, perhaps at a time when his mother is no longer a factor in any of this- should then admit guilt. There will be no blame upon Ms Lean or anyone else's shoulders for the grief caused to others, these innocent people, the pawns and as Nicholas says - the commodities. The system will be blamed. As we have seen in the Hall and Prout case. And what has happened to the fight for Mathew Hamlen? Who seems to have disappeared? - Has he been cast aside?
And if the reverse happens and it is proved that the system, supported by yourself and others, has catastrophically let down not one but two vulnerable children. What then?
These are the people I was speaking of, should this 'Long road to Justice' charity be already cast to the wind. - There are others, not just LM.
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Jeez more unnamed legal teams @)(++(* @)(++(*
Smoke and mirrors comes to mind