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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: TruthSeeker2003 on June 27, 2021, 01:19:33 AM
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In recent weeks there have been cancelled “lives” no weekly updates, why?
The comments in the Facebook groups have all but dried up. Why?
What is really going on behind the scenes? Is she busy with Luke's new legal team?
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Dr Lean stepped down this afternoon from the campaign in a professional capacity. She will continue to support from a personal perspective. She stepped down once before in 2014. Was this for similar reasons? Was it due to disagreements on the direction in which the campaign should now be steered? Or is it down to the new investigators and legal team?
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In recent weeks there have been cancelled “lives” no weekly updates, why?
The comments in the Facebook groups have all but dried up. Why?
What is really going on behind the scenes? Is she busy with Luke's new legal team?
The ‘wheels fell off’ years ago
Luke Mitchell is a dangerous psychopath
And Sandra Lean knew back in 2014 this could well be the case
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Dr Lean stepped down this afternoon from the campaign in a professional capacity. She will continue to support from a personal perspective. She stepped down once before in 2014. Was this for similar reasons? Was it due to disagreements on the direction in which the campaign should now be steered? Or is it down to the new investigators and legal team?
Did she ‘step down’ or was she pushed ?
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Did you not hear what she told Sharon Indy Sunshine here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5EIX9m1Lc
at around 46:00
Sandra Lean
‘We’re coming up to 17 years. I’m getting tired of “you can’t do this you can’t do that” and I mean in reference to the case. We’re 17 years in* (*can’t make out if she said in or down) the line there’s a kid there who’s lost his his entire youth so if it comes to getting a new website up and putting stuff on there that’s not been out before well maybe it’s time maybe it’s time
so I will announce on Facebook when we finally get a way to set up a website and all of that it will be on Facebook but if anybody wants to get in touch just look for me Sandra Lean the the picture is a hand with a yellow paper clip it’s not a picture of me so.…
What happened to the website Sandra Lean mentioned ⬆️
Where is it?
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In her latest YouTube video Sandra Leans states,
”Oh yeah trolls on YouTube.
Now I can’t say too much about this but can I ask please that you don’t make reference to particular trolls at the minute all will become clear but for now please don’t make reference to actual trolls whether they are real names or fake names or whether you know or you don’t know just for now please erm again there’s stuff going on”
When does Sandra Lean plan to make the above ‘clear’ ?
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Is the money from Sandra Lean’s book sales still going to Luke Mitchell’s ‘fighting fund’ as she claimed or does she have other plans for it?
‘All profits from this company will be donated to a new charity organisation, Long Road to Justice.
https://innocentsbetrayedltd.com/about/
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Dr Lean stepped down this afternoon from the campaign in a professional capacity. She will continue to support from a personal perspective. She stepped down once before in 2014. Was this for similar reasons? Was it due to disagreements on the direction in which the campaign should now be steered? Or is it down to the new investigators and legal team?
She gave me the impression in 2014 she thought Luke Mitchell was guilty after all
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Seems James English was telling porkies too re his part 4 on LM
He said: "Part four of the Luke Mitchell case will be coming in June and will be shown live.
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Did you not hear what she told Sharon Indy Sunshine here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5EIX9m1Lc
at around 46:00
Sandra Lean
‘We’re coming up to 17 years. I’m getting tired of “you can’t do this you can’t do that” and I mean in reference to the case. We’re 17 years in* (*can’t make out if she said in or down) the line there’s a kid there who’s lost his his entire youth so if it comes to getting a new website up and putting stuff on there that’s not been out before well maybe it’s time maybe it’s time
so I will announce on Facebook when we finally get a way to set up a website and all of that it will be on Facebook but if anybody wants to get in touch just look for me Sandra Lean the the picture is a hand with a yellow paper clip it’s not a picture of me so.…
Ms Leans admits in her solo podcast of putting information out, at times on the basis of seeing what response it may evoke. Highlights this when talking about the 'mystery' condom man. Used deliberately to see how the newspapers/media would use it. It seems this is evident in other areas too. It may be IMO, that some is done for the purpose of provocation. Putting misinformation out, hoping some response may be made that she could later use. Perhaps, even to provoke some kind of response between people directly involved with this case. The "be afraid, very afraid" comment being such. Using this type of tactic, via misinformation going back over some period of time now. Not saying, that is how it is, but how it appears to be at times.
Indeed it is
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Has Sandra Lean told convicted drug dealer/smuggler & money launderer Shaun Atwood to not publish her chat with him?
https://www.publicpolicerecord.com/arizona/doc-prisoner/SHAUN_ATTWOOD/187160
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Has Sandra Lean told convicted drug dealer/smuggler & money launderer Shaun Atwood to not publish her chat with him?
https://www.publicpolicerecord.com/arizona/doc-prisoner/SHAUN_ATTWOOD/187160
Is it just me or do I see a pattern here of Sandra Lean and dubious men?
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Is it just me or do I see a pattern here of Sandra Lean and dubious men?
For me there’s more than one pattern
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In a little over 3 months from when the channel 5 show aired
Sandra Lean has again thrown in the towel
Excerpt from P.270-271 ‘Hidden in Plain View’ by Sandra Lean
Internet campaigns
‘The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.89 There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group..
Up until the channel 5 TV show aired support for killer Luke Mitchell was few and far between and Sandra Lean was able to do as she’d been doing up until that point with not too many questions asked of her
But the sham of a TV show attracted varying individuals and as a result some of these individuals would have contacted Luke in prison via emailaprisoner and letters & with some communications possibly leading on to telephone calls.
And as a result of this killer Luke Mitchell will have been ‘briefed’ by some of these individuals as to Sandra Leans behaviour as well as the behaviour of others
Sandra Leans actual experience of running a public internet campaign up until when the channel 5 tv aired had been limited to the wrongly accused person forum which Billy Middleton ran meaning Sandra Lean could take a back seat http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=442.msg9279#msg9279
Excerpt from P.270-271 ‘Hidden in Plain View’ by Sandra Lean
Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests 90
Sandra Lean has clearly been using ‘smear tactics’ of her own = ‘pored/poured’ being one example
‘Dishonesty’ = she claimed publicly no one had been threatened when JH had indeed been threatened and an arrest made
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In a little over 3 months from when the channel 5 show aired
Sandra Lean has again thrown in the towel
Up until the channel 5 TV show aired support for killer Luke Mitchell was few and far between and Sandra Lean was able to do as she’d been doing up until that point with not too many questions asked of her
But the sham of a TV show attracted varying individuals and as a result some of these individuals would have contacted Luke in prison via emailaprisoner and letters & with some communications possibly leading on to telephone calls.
And as a result of this killer Luke Mitchell will have been ‘briefed’ by some of these individuals as to Sandra Leans behaviour as well as the behaviour of others
Sandra Leans actual experience of running a public internet campaign up until when the channel 5 tv aired had been limited to the wrongly accused person forum which Billy Middleton ran meaning Sandra Lean could take a back seat http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=442.msg9279#msg9279
I agree with you. Some of these Luke supporters come across as absolutely deranged. They were never called out for their actions and I believe their actions were harmful to LM's campaign. I'm not so sure SL took a step back rather than got shoved off.
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I agree with you. Some of these Luke supporters come across as absolutely deranged. They were never called out for their actions and I believe their actions were harmful to LM's campaign. I'm not so sure SL took a step back rather than got shoved off.
Sandra Lean did ‘call out’ people like Fiona Scott during her live video
But why?
And why choose to publicly deny, ie lie about the threat to Jane Hamilton ?
Why couldn’t she ignore these people and address the vile behaviour of the real trolls?
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Sandra Lean did ‘call out’ people like Fiona Scott during her live video
But why?
And why choose to publicly deny, ie lie about the threat to Jane Hamilton ?
Why couldn’t she ignore these people and address the vile behaviour of the real trolls?
I have to assume the real trolls are the Sandra Lean supporters. Why else would she ignore their behaviour? Supporters that will probably follow her to her next mission regardless of what it may be. In my opinion anyway.
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I agree with you. Some of these Luke supporters come across as absolutely deranged. They were never called out for their actions and I believe their actions were harmful to LM's campaign. I'm not so sure SL took a step back rather than got shoved off.
Did you not think killer luke Mitchell’s behaviour gives an indication of his psychopathic personality?
Because of the channel 5 show - and Lisa Peden - he’s finally got other people to speak on his behalf
Up until this point Sandra Lean has been able to put a filter on his real personality
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I have to assume the real trolls are the Sandra Lean supporters. Why else would she ignore their behaviour? Supporters that will probably follow her to her next mission regardless of what it may be. In my opinion anyway.
Yes I agree with this
Her performance yesterday was quite something wasn’t it
Did you see her faux swallow at the end - whilst she was trying to tap the off button after she said, “I’ll see your on the other side” whatever that means?
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Yes I agree with this
Her performance yesterday was quite something wasn’t it
Did you see her faux swallow at the end - whilst she was trying to tap the off button after she said, “I’ll see your on the other side” whatever that means?
So it's not just me
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Could someone take the emoji away please? That wasn't intentional. Thank you.
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Yes I agree with this
Her performance yesterday was quite something wasn’t it
Did you see her faux swallow at the end - whilst she was trying to tap the off button after she said, “I’ll see your on the other side” whatever that means?
So it's not just me
It was like a gulp as if to say ‘phew glad that’s done’
But the timing appeared off and the swallow/gulp seemed faux.
T was as if she suddenly thought it might be a great way to end the performance
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I agree with you. Some of these Luke supporters come across as absolutely deranged. They were never called out for their actions and I believe their actions were harmful to LM's campaign.
Maybe some of them thought they were following Sandra Leans lead and thought/or think [Name removed]’s family are fair game ? (I’ve edited her reproduced post and used initials for the people Sandra has referred to) ⬇️
Sandra Lean (2nd May 2021)
“I received the following Private Message (on Facebook) from someone called MBW this afternoon:
"You absolute witch, I am a part of the W family, you dare to say that he's innocent? You live near family members and taunt them, he's guilty and for you to jump on the bandwagon to say it's innocent? Shame on you, he's never shown an ounce of remorse, he's actually had a tattoo for every year he's been in prison, dr??? You're saying don't buy the book off Amazon, contact you directly? Making money from a lost cause, shame on you, obviously you don't have any shame."
I'm not going to waste time or energy responding (except perhaps to say I didn't jump on the bandwagon, I started it with Luke's family - and Truth and Justice are NEVER a lost cause), but, since we have a claimed member of the W family making comments, perhaps she can answer a few questions:
Did AW and her son tell JF not to go to the police (as JF claims in his police statements)? If they did, why did they?
Why did AW decide the search trio should go directly to the path (as her own and JaJ’s statements say she did)? They were supposed to believe [Name removed] was hanging out in Easthouses/Mayfield. "We just did," as AW answered in court, isn't really an answer.
Why did AW repeatedly try to claim (in the early days) that an arrangement had been made with Luke to meet him at the path when there were no calls or texts between Luke and any of the other searchers? And why did she drop those claims in her later statements, after the call logs showed there was no communication?
What time did the search trio really leave from AW’s house that night? And who was left in the house?
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Maybe some of them thought they were following Sandra Leans lead and thought/or think [Name removed]’s family are fair game ? (I’ve edited her reproduced post and used initials for the people Sandra has referred to) ⬇️
Sandra Lean (2nd May 2021)
“I received the following Private Message (on Facebook) from someone called MBW this afternoon:
"You absolute witch, I am a part of the W family, you dare to say that he's innocent? You live near family members and taunt them, he's guilty and for you to jump on the bandwagon to say it's innocent? Shame on you, he's never shown an ounce of remorse, he's actually had a tattoo for every year he's been in prison, dr??? You're saying don't buy the book off Amazon, contact you directly? Making money from a lost cause, shame on you, obviously you don't have any shame."
I'm not going to waste time or energy responding (except perhaps to say I didn't jump on the bandwagon, I started it with Luke's family - and Truth and Justice are NEVER a lost cause), but, since we have a claimed member of the W family making comments, perhaps she can answer a few questions:
Did AW and her son tell JF not to go to the police (as JF claims in his police statements)? If they did, why did they?
Why did AW decide the search trio should go directly to the path (as her own and JaJ’s statements say she did)? They were supposed to believe [Name removed] was hanging out in Easthouses/Mayfield. "We just did," as AW answered in court, isn't really an answer.
Why did AW repeatedly try to claim (in the early days) that an arrangement had been made with Luke to meet him at the path when there were no calls or texts between Luke and any of the other searchers? And why did she drop those claims in her later statements, after the call logs showed there was no communication?
What time did the search trio really leave from AW’s house that night? And who was left in the house?
Sandra Lean also stated,
“Anybody that’s worried about getting in touch nothing ever goes anywhere. Nobody’s ever identified or named or anything. I might come back and speak to ya or ask if you’d like to speak on the phone or something like that but your information will not be passed on to anybody without your permission. So please if you’ve got anything to say it will be completely confidential”
Maybe she should have put a caveat with the above *&^^&
(Source: At approx 46:40 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5EIX9m1Lc)
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Sandra Lean also stated,
“Anybody that’s worried about getting in touch nothing ever goes anywhere. Nobody’s ever identified or named or anything. I might come back and speak to ya or ask if you’d like to speak on the phone or something like that but your information will not be passed on to anybody without your permission. So please if you’ve got anything to say it will be completely confidential”
Maybe she should have put a caveat with the above *&^^&
SL should have said, anyone who doesn't want to be involved and doesn't get in touch WILL be named. No need for a pulse. We take them dead or alive.
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SL should have said, anyone who doesn't want to be involved and doesn't get in touch WILL be named. No need for a pulse. We take them dead or alive.
Yes AW - who Sandra Lean asked questions of - has sadly since passed away
If you listen to just before this (in bold) ⬇️
Sandra Lean also stated,
“Anybody that’s worried about getting in touch nothing ever goes anywhere. Nobody’s ever identified or named or anything. I might come back and speak to ya or ask if you’d like to speak on the phone or something like that but your information will not be passed on to anybody without your permission. So please if you’ve got anything to say it will be completely confidential”
Maybe she should have put a caveat with the above *&^^&
(Source: At approx 46:40 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5EIX9m1Lc)
she talks about people messaging her via Facebook - which is what MBW did
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Could someone take the emoji away please? That wasn't intentional. Thank you.
Dunnit !
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Dunnit !
Thanks. It was a mistake and I don't find very much of this funny.
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The ‘wheels fell off’ years ago
Luke Mitchell is a dangerous psychopath
And Sandra Lean knew back in 2014 this could well be the case
What made her return to the campaign after her 2014 exit?
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What made her return to the campaign after her 2014 exit?
Books to sell, Bill's to pay.
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Correct.
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Books to sell, Bill's to pay.
I suspect it’s a little more complex than that
Although I’m of the firm view her return has nothing to do with the ‘truth’ as I see it
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She speaks of the other cases she is working on? Is this another fabrication? And what now for her “Truth Seeker” project and her “Long road to Justice” website, I wonder?
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She speaks of the other cases she is working on? Is this another fabrication? And what now for her “Truth Seeker” project and her “Long road to Justice” website, I wonder?
Sandra has helped lots of people working on cases and her help has never been made public
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She speaks of the other cases she is working on? Is this another fabrication? And what now for her “Truth Seeker” project and her “Long road to Justice” website, I wonder?
She said she couldn’t help other people. Her focus was killer Luke Mitchell
It’s most certainly another contradiction
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And what now for her “Truth Seeker” project and her “Long road to Justice” website, I wonder?
Her ‘enabled by nature’ website was taken down recently http://enabledbynature.com/
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Sandra has helped lots of people working on cases and her help has never been made public
Yes it has
Killer Michelle Nicholson ⬇️
One day ago Michelle Nicholson wrote on her ‘Justice for Michelle Nicholson’ Facebook page and included a photo of Sandra Leans 2nd book,
‘Here is a story of another miscarriage of justice by Dr Sandra Lean a very good supporter and friend of mine who has given me advice over the years and legally edited my own book. Thank you Sandra for the support you have given to me and good luck with justice for Luke.
Ciaran Quinn aka Michael Naughton
https://www.mandy.com/uk/actor/ciaran-quinn-1
Michael Naughton ‘will talk about statement analysis and wiil give an example of evidenced failings by police/cps and how he build a case for the client.
Covering the UK, Lewis Legal Miscarriages of Justice Investigations UK are one of the UK's professional Miscarriages of Justice Investigation firm, choosing to specialise in Miscarriages of Justice and evidence gathering for CCRC applications, Pre-trial hearings and at the point immediately post arrest, Private Prosecutions, providing professional, discrete and confidential results, whether your case centres around a criminal (pretrial or post trial) or civil matter.
https://www.unitedagainstinjustice.com/contributers-2019-cont
Networking’ https://www.unitedagainstinjustice.com/the-day-networking
‘’Michelle Nicholson is aiming to raise monies to contribute towards legal funds to lodge an appeal. This is following an investigation carried out by Lewis Legal Miscarriage of Justice Investigations UK
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/justiceformichelle-nicholson-1?utm_id=66&utm_term=WYKbNJmrp
Michael Naughton ‘Legal Lewis’ (subject of a compulsory strike-off in 2018) http://www.lewislegal.co.uk/take-action-1
Neil Wilby has written about both Mike Naughton and Sandra Lean here ⬇️
‘A wolf in sheep’s clothing’
https://neilwilby.com/2020/05/19/a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/
’Dr Truthseeker loses her moral compass’
https://neilwilby.com/2020/06/22/dr-truthseeker-loses-her-moral-compass/
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Did you not hear what she told Sharon Indy Sunshine here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5EIX9m1Lc
at around 46:00
Sandra Lean
‘We’re coming up to 17 years. I’m getting tired of “you can’t do this you can’t do that” and I mean in reference to the case. We’re 17 years in* (*can’t make out if she said in or down) the line there’s a kid there who’s lost his his entire youth so if it comes to getting a new website up and putting stuff on there that’s not been out before well maybe it’s time maybe it’s time
so I will announce on Facebook when we finally get a way to set up a website and all of that it will be on Facebook but if anybody wants to get in touch just look for me Sandra Lean the the picture is a hand with a yellow paper clip it’s not a picture of me so.…
What happened to the website Sandra Lean mentioned ⬆️
Where is it?
In her latest YouTube video Sandra Leans states,
”Oh yeah trolls on YouTube.
Now I can’t say too much about this but can I ask please that you don’t make reference to particular trolls at the minute all will become clear but for now please don’t make reference to actual trolls whether they are real names or fake names or whether you know or you don’t know just for now please erm again there’s stuff going on”
When does Sandra Lean plan to make the above ‘clear’ ?
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting
There are numerous examples of Sandra Lean saying she will be doing something but no evidence of it
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In recent weeks there have been cancelled “lives” no weekly updates, why?
The comments in the Facebook groups have all but dried up. Why?
What is really going on behind the scenes? Is she busy with Luke's new legal team?
‘are the wheels falling off her campaign train’
What about killer Luke Mitchell ?
It’s ‘their campaign train’ which the ‘wheels have fallen off’ of - Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell’s
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She said she couldn’t help other people. Her focus was killer Luke Mitchell
It’s most certainly another contradiction
No it's not. It is help as and when needed not 'working' on a case. Her input has been invaluable. Just because it's escaped your surveillance doesn't mean her replies have not been helpful.
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Yes it has
Killer Michelle Nicholson ⬇️
Neil Wilby has written about both Mike Naughton and Sandra Lean here ⬇️
Not it hasn't. Despite your 24 hour coverage of Sandra Lean and her actions you do not know everything.
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All the knowledge not based on any facts, wasted time and efforts
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No it's not. It is help as and when needed not 'working' on a case. Her input has been invaluable. Just because it's escaped your surveillance doesn't mean her replies have not been helpful.
‘close observation’ - hardly 🙄
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She said she couldn’t help other people. Her focus was killer Luke Mitchell
It’s most certainly another contradiction
No it's not.
Yes - it is
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‘close observation’ - hardly 🙄
Morning noon and night including every key stroke. I would call that surveillance
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Morning noon and night including every key stroke. I would call that surveillance
You can call it what you want but it doesn’t make it so
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You can call it what you want but it doesn’t make it so
Oh it so does. Even quoting every word of her video. Who even does that
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She said she couldn’t help other people. Her focus was killer Luke Mitchell
It’s most certainly another contradiction
Daily Record - Article by Jane Hamilton
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567
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Did you not think killer luke Mitchell’s behaviour gives an indication of his psychopathic personality?
Because of the channel 5 show - and Lisa Peden - he’s finally got other people to speak on his behalf
Up until this point Sandra Lean has been able to put a filter on his real personality
Lisa Peden appears to have deleted her twitter account https://mobile.twitter.com/lisapeden6?lang=en
Can’t say I blame her
She probably won’t listen to me
but if she does read here
Walk away Lisa - you are being exploited and manipulated by a murdering psychopath
Pass the drama back to Sandra Lean
Don’t make anymore comments on behalf of this killer and don’t respond to Sandra Lean!
LP
*I am writing this post of behalf of Luke Mitchell as he requested me to do so!*
I would like to thank everyone for all the letters and e-mails. I am endeavouring to reply to everyone... But it may just take a good while!
I am deeply saddened about the out come of the go fund me. As discussed with my mum after she put out a statement, I did not wish for any of the money raised. However I did wish for it all to go to my mum so I could worry that little bit less!
All the best
Luke x
#LukeMitchellIsInnocent
#FreeLukeMitchell
Narcissistic Triangulation: What It Is and How to Respond
‘Triangulation happens when one or both of the people involved in the conflict try to pull a third person into the dynamic, often with the goal of:
* deflecting some of the tension
* creating another conflict to take the spotlight off the original issue
* reinforcing their sense of rightness or superiority
‘People with narcissism don’t always use blatant abuse tactics, like name-calling or aggression and violence. Instead, they often use manipulative tactics, like gaslighting, silent treatment, or triangulation, in order to maintain the upper hand.
https://www.healthline.com/health/narcissistic-triangulation
Triangulation: The Narcissists Best Play
It's All About Control
‘Now that you know a little bit about triangulation and how people use these techniques to manipulate others, you can get into why people do this. There are situations where people will use triangulation techniques in a normal way. For example, if one partner cheats on the other, they might not want to talk to them for a while. They might use a third party to communicate with their partner until they're ready to have a face-to-face conversation. This is a bit different than the toxic type of triangulation that is being discussed here today.
The toxic type of triangulation that is used to manipulate others is all about control. A narcissist might use triangulation to control the narrative. The basics of triangulation psychology is that they want people to think about things in a certain way. They want others to use their talking points, so they seek to use others to spread their desired narrative. It's all about controlling the flow of information and showing others that they're the one who is in charge.
This is very toxic due to it being an entirely selfish action. When someone is actively manipulating others with triangulation techniques, they're doing so with a purpose. They might enjoy the attention that they're getting. It's also possible that they might enjoy feeling powerful due to being able to manipulate a situation and make other people do their bidding. As you can tell, this type of behavior is not healthy at all.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2019/10/triangulation-and-narcissism#1
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Why was Corinne Mitchell sending messages from herself and her killer son via LP and not Sandra Lean back in May?
22nd May 2021
Message from Corinne-
Hey everyone! Just a wee message to say, Your kindness and support mean so much to us both. It's very comforting to know we have the support of all these people, thanks for finally listening to what myself and my boy have been saying all along! Thank you so much for all your kindness and generosity when it comes to the fundraiser! Never give up hope, Corinne ❤️
“I will show her this when I'm with her next! I'm sure she will be very thankful for the well wishes 🙂❤️
14th June 2021
‘Yesterday she revealed that she has found new legal representation for Mitchell's case but would not reveal their identity.
During a live Facebook video, Dr Lean said: "First up, Luke’s legal representation, I can’t say who it’s in the very early stages at the minute but that was a big obstacle we had to get over.
“To get someone willing to take the case on and take it forward and now we have it.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7257647/luke-mitchell-new-lawyer-jodi-jones-murder-conviction/
And who is this alleged ‘new legal representation’ ?
Sandra was previously referred to as LM’s ‘legal representative’ during the sham channel 5 show ⬇️
5:09 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J7eusTWVCEg
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Protest on the 17th of July also cancelled now.
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Why?
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Protest on the 17th of July also cancelled now.
The whole thing is rubbish. It's all rubbish. Rubbish created by the worst of the worst. So, what do we do with that? We bin it !! And we go on to respect the families who deserve our respect and we ignore the enablers, the excusers, the desperate, the liars.. I think IMO.
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Why?
Ivor Batey - Free and retry Luke Mitchell now.
Good evening folks, sorry to say I have some bad news. Due to unforeseen circumstances the protest on the 17th of July has had to be cancelled. We know a lot of you changed work shifts & other things which we are all thankful for. But due to things beyond our control we thought it best to cancel now rather than give you only a few hours notice. Thank you from Luke & ourselves to everyone who was going to attend & hope you understand. It doesn't mean we will be stopping the fight as that's not in our vocabulary. Once again thank you all for your support. Be good & be lucky lovely people.
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The whole thing is rubbish. It's all rubbish. Rubbish created by the worst of the worst. So, what do we do with that? We bin it !! And we go on to respect the families who deserve our respect and we ignore the
Rubbish? What is rubbish?
Worst of the worst? Who is?
Who are the enablers, the excusers, the desperate, the liars?
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Ivor Batey - Free and retry Luke Mitchell now.
Good evening folks, sorry to say I have some bad news. Due to unforeseen circumstances the protest on the 17th of July has had to be cancelled. We know a lot of you changed work shifts & other things which we are all thankful for. But due to things beyond our control we thought it best to cancel now rather than give you only a few hours notice. Thank you from Luke & ourselves to everyone who was going to attend & hope you understand. It doesn't mean we will be stopping the fight as that's not in our vocabulary. Once again thank you all for your support. Be good & be lucky lovely people.
So what was the real reason Sandra Lean didn’t appear to give her support to the above?
From 23rd Feb 2021
Sandra Lean
TS A protest has been arranged outside the Scottish Parliament in April - I didn't arrange it, but I'll post details for anyone who's interested.
The event, which has been set up on Facebook, is to be held outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh on 24 April 2021.
The Facebook page "Luke Mitchell Miscarriage of Justice" has been named as the original organiser.
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I agree with you. Some of these Luke supporters come across as absolutely deranged. They were never called out for their actions and I believe their actions were harmful to LM's campaign. I'm not so sure SL took a step back rather than got shoved off.
Clearly Luke Mitchell didn't say anything to her when they spoke last so this sacking must have come as quite a shock to her. @)(++(*
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Sandra has helped lots of people working on cases and her help has never been made public
It's the kiss of death having her anywhere near your case imo.
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All the knowledge not based on any facts, wasted time and efforts
Nicolas knows Sandra Lean extremely well. Not many can say that truthfully.
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Nicolas knows Sandra Lean extremely well. Not many can say that truthfully.
Yes I know. She helped her at a time when she was desperate and very grateful for her help. At the same time convincing many others that SH was innocent. Nicholas that is not Sandra.
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Protest on the 17th of July also cancelled now.
Not in the least surprised 8@??)(
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Yes I know. She helped her at a time when she was desperate and very grateful for her help. At the same time convincing many others that SH was innocent. Nicholas that is not Sandra.
Nicolas was taken in by Simon Hall as was Sandra Lean. Doesn't say much for her (SL's) judgement but then anyone who can be taken in by the likes of Billy M deserves all they get. A veritable fruitcake he is
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The whole thing is rubbish. It's all rubbish. Rubbish created by the worst of the worst. So, what do we do with that? We bin it !! And we go on to respect the families who deserve our respect and we ignore the enablers, the excusers, the desperate, the liars.. I think IMO.
Nice one 👍
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Nicolas was taken in by Simon Hall as was Sandra Lean. Doesn't say much for her (SL's) judgement but then anyone who can be taken in by the likes of Billy M deserves all they get.
Can I just ask then why she handed out flyers naming others for the crime? Did she ever apologise for that or to all the other guilliable people SHE convinced that SH was innocent ?
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Nicolas was taken in by Simon Hall as was Sandra Lean. Doesn't say much for her (SL's) judgement but then anyone who can be taken in by the likes of Billy M deserves all they get. A veritable fruitcake he is
Not the attraction of being associated with a MOJ then? Who made her hound all the people she did and still does? Not responsible for any of it in your eyes clearly.
If she was so easily fooled how come it's not acceptable for anyone else to be?
Oh and that's mean NO ONE else can be innocent. Such an amazing expert on here but so easily fooled
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Nicolas knows Sandra Lean extremely well. Not many can say that truthfully.
I also have an idea of her target audience
19th Feb 2021
‘Steven Donnelly
Emma Bryce I'm wondering how angry people will be when they realise luke was innocent all along
Sandra Lean
Steven Donnelly Indeed. And when they realise, as a result, they, and their children, may have been at risk all that time??
and an idea of many of the other well used deceptive tactics which have played out over the past few months
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I also have
an idea of her targets audience
We all know yours.
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Can I just ask then why she handed out flyers naming others for the crime?
Flyers ?
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Flyers ?
Have you forgotten because we haven't.
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Yes I know. She helped her at a time when she was desperate and very grateful for her help. At the same time convincing many others that SH was innocent. Nicholas that is not Sandra.
It seems that there’s more to Nicholas’s hatred of Sandra than meets the eye.
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Can I just ask then why she handed out flyers naming others for the crime?
Have you forgotten because we haven't.
I didn’t hand out ‘flyers naming others for the crime’
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It seems that there’s more to Nicholas’s hatred of Sandra than meets the eye.
8@??)( Yes but it's good to blame Sandra for it all then no one else has to take responsibility for their own actions.
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I didn’t hand out ‘flyers naming others for the crime’
Ok &^^&*
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Can I just ask then why she handed out flyers naming others for the crime?
Flyers ?
Have you forgotten because we haven't.
I didn’t hand out ‘flyers naming others for the crime’
Ok &^^&*
They were photocopies of a crime stoppers report and they weren’t ‘handed out’
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They were photocopies of a crime stoppers report and they weren’t ‘handed out’
I think we can leave the pointing of fingers at other people to the Luke Mitchell campaign as evidenced by the Ch5 effort headed by Sandra Lean.
I note the new group is claiming that they won't be pointing the finger at other suspects any more but concentrate on proving Luke innocent. Don't they realise that you cannot have one without the other?
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I think we can leave the pointing of fingers at other people to the Luke Mitchell campaign as evidenced by the Ch5 effort headed by Sandra Lean.
I note the new group won't be pointing the finger at other suspects any more but concentrate on proving Luke innocent. Don't they realise that you cannot have one without the other?
Just checking that is is fine to point fingers outwards, just as none are pointed towards the forum unless its at anyone defending Sandra etc?
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They were photocopies of a crime stoppers report and they weren’t ‘handed out’
Ok yes of course, so at no point during YOUR campaign did you ever imply anyone was guilty giving a name or suggestion of a name or three. OF course you did! Dont rewrite history while accusing and blaming others 100 per cent
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I think we can leave the pointing of fingers at other people to the Luke Mitchell campaign as evidenced by the Ch5 effort headed by Sandra Lean.
Why did the channel 5 show and all involved choose to ‘point the finger’ at innocent people ?
Didn’t Sandra Lean tell them, or anyone what was done during - what turned out to be - Hall’s innocence fraud campaign ?
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Dont rewrite history
No I’ll leave that to you
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No I’ll leave that to you
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Is that the best you can do. You went on and on and on about it so anyone around at the time knows what you said. Not sure you changed the subject for years. How sad.
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I note the new group is claiming that they won't be pointing the finger at other suspects any more but concentrate on proving Luke innocent. Don't they realise that you cannot have one without the other?
You sure ⬇️
Fiona Scott
SJD: GD and Son lived in the direction of those trails of blood. Directly across the field facing the outside of the v
*&^^&
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I also have an idea of her target audience
19th Feb 2021
‘Steven Donnelly
Emma Bryce I'm wondering how angry people will be when they realise luke was innocent all along
Sandra Lean
Steven Donnelly Indeed. And when they realise, as a result, they, and their children, may have been at risk all that time??
and an idea of many of the other well used deceptive tactics which have played out over the past few months
I also have an idea of her target audience
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19th Feb 2021
‘Steven Donnelly
Emma Bryce I'm wondering how angry people will be when they realise luke was innocent all along
Sandra Lean
Steven Donnelly Indeed. And when they realise, as a result, they, and their children, may have been at risk all that time??
And here we are in July and that instant rise in support declined just as fast. Centered around these rifts of many people seeing through Lean. The anger is not going to be around Innocence but of being duped by those half truths, misinformation and downright lies. And we have seen first hand her target audience, those easily led. And of how easily Lean was led in those months before Mitchells arrest, when he attached those strings firmly to her.
And we see who could not be led, of those who knew him best - his brother and father. Two people whom he was not able to control. Who did not believe his story that day, and were horrified when they realised exactly what had happened to Jodi. This nonsense that they support him? No they don't.
And of control and that boy who took control that evening, in making sure he was going to be there when Jodi was discovered. This is the side people are being blinded to. They do not realise what actually happened for Lean has used CB's advice, not her own intelligence which with common sense is clearly lacking is it not? Of all other avenues being exhausted, of projecting self interest onto others. Of drawing away from the evidence from Luke and his mother.
9 mins, less than? - This is what it took for LM to speak with Judith, to offer to go on that path, to get ready. Which included those claims of going upstairs and filling his brother in. Of asking to borrow a torch. Of SM physically going downstairs to locate the torch to give to him. Of debating with his mother and being on RDP. Like the claimed discovery, there was no deliberation. LM was prepped and ready for that call. He had been ready since 10pm. And every other lie told around this time. Of claiming to be home when he was not. Of SM claiming to be home and he was not. Of a girl who was reported missing to the police at 10.50pm. Of LM being on RDP before 11pm when he again spoke with Judith on the phone. This is why it has to sidetracked away from, for it can not be clearer that Luke Mitchell knew Jodi was dead for he had murdered her. As with that concocted alibi. The only person striving to give one for that time, for only the murderer knew what time the time of alibi required and that was Luke Mitchell.
And of common sense and target audience - swayed with this nonsense of search trios of what Lean projects onto them, of what this search trio should have been doing? For it does not pay for them to know, that there was no time to do anything other than what happened. Which was being led to RDP by Luke Mitchell. As soon as the word police was mentioned LM was like that proverbial bullet and on this path. And he stayed on the path until Jodi's family arrived. And the manipulation by Lean and the lies of Mitchells mother. Those attempts to pass the buck to them. Of attempting to slow them down, of trying to add time on. With this top of Mayfield, walking backwards and arthritic grannies. Devious and deliberate. So people will not focus on the times that can not be changed.
Which are that of Mitchell being on this path by 11pm. Of still being on this path at 11.20pm. Of leading them there, that control of claiming Jodi had failed to arrive in Newbattle. Of introducing the notion of looking on this path by him doing so. Of asking for something for the dog to scent with. The introduction of the woodland into the search, at the Gino spot. And the ultimate lies around being parallel to where Jodi lay. So clear were those lies he drew a diagram in case one should be in doubt. He was in control and he took control. Before the police had any chance to be actively involved in any search.
10.50 reported missing. 10.59 on this path. 11.20 still on it. 11.30 Jodi is discovered in this hidden area of a dark woodland. 11.34 the call to the emergency services. Every part of this controlled by LM who was prepped and ready since 10pm.
And he is still controlling all those willing to have those strings attached. Not those with sense who instantly fall into this cultish trap. And most definitely not his father and brother. The master puppet Ms Lean wants everyone else, on her masters behalf to shout from the rooftops instead, does she not?
And one does have to wonder of this claimed friendship between these two women's children, of hanging out together? Was one girl yet again infatuated with Mitchell and portrayed this boy as being lovely and adorable? As with Jodi those strings attached to her, KT and other young girls. Susceptible to Mitchells charms - Those who walk amongst us? And had Jodi broke those strings? Confronted Mitchell when that mist of infatuation was lifting, of realising he had been stringing her along with other girls? And we know without a shadow of a doubt LM did not like confrontation, that he liked to be in control as we saw in those interviews. Of mocking the police of handing them excessive information, drawing that attention squarely upon himself? But like his father and brother there could be not strings attached to the police.
Search party out too soon? - Not on your life, the only person prepped and ready in this was LM. We know this for a fact. Less than 9mins from that call to the police. The only person to strive to give an alibi was LM with the help of his mother. The person to introduce the path, LM. The person to introduce the woodland, LM. The person to lead this search, LM. The person to lie around this search, LM. All of these things tell us clearly that LM was Jodi's killer. Only the killer knew the time for an alibi. Only the killer knew that call would come. Only the killer was ready. Only the killer knew to lead the search to the path. Only the killer knew to lead the search into the woods. Only the killer could have done this in that time frame. And only the killer knew of the bobble, the clothing and the tree. And only the killer knew of contamination of what there had or not been. - The killer is LM
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And we see who could not be led, of those who knew him best - his brother and father. Two people whom he was not able to control. Who did not believe his story that day, and were horrified when they realised exactly what had happened to Jodi. This nonsense that they support him? No they don't.
Of course they don’t
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Not the attraction of being associated with a MOJ then? Who made her hound all the people she did and still does? Not responsible for any of it in your eyes clearly.
If she was so easily fooled how come it's not acceptable for anyone else to be?
Oh and that's mean NO ONE else can be innocent. Such an amazing expert on here but so easily fooled
Do you mean Nicholas or asandra Lean please?
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Nicolas was taken in by Simon Hall as was Sandra Lean. Doesn't say much for her (SL's) judgement but then anyone who can be taken in by the likes of Billy M deserves all they get. A veritable fruitcake he is
To be fair I supported Simon at the beginning until the wheels started to come off that cart too. The difficulty for Sandra Lean though is that she never learned the lesson and repeated it numerous times thereafter. Is it three killers she tried to have freed only for them to confess. Egg on face moments.
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To be fair I supported Simon at the beginning until the wheels started to come off that cart too. The difficulty for Sandra Lean though is that she never learned the lesson and repeated it numerous times thereafter. Is it three killers she tried to have freed only for them to confess. Egg on face moments.
In fairness, when I first looked at Luke Mitchell's case I had no idea whether or not he killed poor Jodi. Luke's supporters have definitely helped sway me toward thinking he's guilty as well as doing some research and thinking for myself. Ironically, Luke supporters continue to push me in the guilty direction. I don't want them to but they insist. IMO.
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Do you mean Nicholas or asandra Lean please?
Nicholas clearly.
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Nicholas clearly.
It was clear to you. Thanks for replying.
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Nicolas was taken in by Simon Hall as was Sandra Lean. Doesn't say much for her (SL's) judgement but then anyone who can be taken in by the likes of Billy M deserves all they get. A veritable fruitcake he is
This is a good theory to put forward BUT its was always stated that Nicholas knew before she even went to visit SH that he wasn't guilty and didn't listen or read anything that could indicate differently. Shows that her mind was made up before it was turned by SH. interesting but still we blame others cos its the best thing to do
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So, the title is about the wheels falling off SL's campaign train. They're definitely off now, aren't they? I believe SL will be involved as a supporter only. No official capacity. What will happen to the members of the official group? Maybe they'll choose a new leader. It's beginning to sound a bit like Lord of the Flies. IMO.
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Yes you are right!
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Could we stop the sarcasm and arguing, please !
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Yes you are right!
Do you think the official group will continue with someone else at the head of it or do you think it will disappear? I'm asking because I think you said you were a moderator?
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This is a good theory to put forward BUT its was always stated that Nicholas knew before she even went to visit SH that he wasn't guilty and didn't listen or read anything that could indicate differently. Shows that her mind was made up before it was turned by SH. interesting but still we blame others cos its the best thing to do
How anyone can condone the trolling that Dr Lean has endured, not matter what her perceived failings, is beyond me. As I’ve said before I suspect not a little misogyny is involved…in fact misogyny doesn’t simply run through this forum, it gallops.
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How anyone can condone the trolling that Dr Lean has endured, not matter what her perceived failings, is beyond me. As I’ve said before I suspect not a little misogyny is involved…in fact misogyny doesn’t simply run through this forum, it gallops.
Spot on...
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Spot on...
As SL’s main critic on here is female and we can’t be sure of the gender of some of the others I find that accusations of forum misogyny somewhat questionable. Do you have some examples please?
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As SL’s main critic on here
Why do you claim this ?
John has been a critic of Sandra Lean far longer than me
I consider him to be Sandra Leans ‘main’ critic
John may recall there were once several threads dedicated to Sandra Lean & not started by me
I started a thread on Sandra Lean and killer and sexual predator Mathew Hamlen which appears to have been removed
Seems the above link is no longer working now either but the link https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true reads:
‘Dr Sandra Lean presents Episode 1 of a 6 part series on Matthew’s case, examining the horrific murder of an old lady, the relentless pursuit, not once, but twice, of a man who insists he is completely innocent, a police investigation spanning 8 years and two trials reportedly costing together over £7 million, that leave many, many unanswered questions
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt
Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”
Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Why did Sandra Lean remove her 6 part podcast from the WWW ?
Was a complaint also made of her re harassment?
Comments by both Ronald Cufley and Peter Martin can be found at the foot of this article https://insidetime.org/missing-forensics/
Just how bad was the harassment of this expert witness ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/roncufley?lang=en
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Why do you claim this ?
John has been a critic of Sandra Lean far longer than me
I consider him to be Sandra Leans ‘main’ critic
John may recall there were once several threads dedicated to Sandra Lean & not started by me
I started a thread on Sandra Lean and killer and sexual predator Mathew Hamlen which appears to have been removed
Why did Sandra Lean remove her 6 part podcast from the WWW ?
Was a complaint also made of her re harassment?
Comments by both Ronald Curley and Peter Martin can be found at the foot of this article https://insidetime.org/missing-forensics/
Just how bad was the harassment of this expert witness ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/roncufley?lang=en
Because I’ve only really been reading this forum since Lean’s documentary aired and you seem to be her most notable critic.
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Because I’ve only really been reading this forum since Lean’s documentary aired and you seem to be her most notable critic.
There are quite a few critics who aren’t being as vocal
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To be fair I supported Simon at the beginning until the wheels started to come off that cart too.
You appeared to support him after he confessed and hung himself too John
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The whole thing is rubbish. It's all rubbish. Rubbish created by the worst of the worst. So, what do we do with that? We bin it !! And we go on to respect the families who deserve our respect and we ignore the enablers, the excusers, the desperate, the liars.. I think IMO.
It is back on. Some group of guys called the 3 amigos are doing it instead.
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There is a new group? What it called?
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Do you think the official group will continue with someone else at the head of it or do you think it will disappear? I'm asking because I think you said you were a moderator?
I honestly don't know. I think that they are done but who knows. They have their budding YouTube careers to think about. (&^&
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I honestly don't know. I think that they are done but who knows. They have their budding YouTube careers to think about. (&^&
Ugh-------that is all I can say about some of the comments I've been reading on You Tube regarding this case!
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As SL’s main critic on here is female and we can’t be sure of the gender of some of the others I find that accusations of forum misogyny somewhat questionable. Do you have some examples please?
Maybe ask the person who posted it?
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Why do you claim this ?
John has been a critic of Sandra Lean far longer than me
I consider him to be Sandra Leans ‘main’ critic
John may recall there were once several threads dedicated to Sandra Lean & not started by me
I started a thread on Sandra Lean and killer and sexual predator Mathew Hamlen which appears to have been removed
Why did Sandra Lean remove her 6 part podcast from the WWW ?
Was a complaint also made of her re harassment?
Comments by both Ronald Cufley and Peter Martin can be found at the foot of this article https://insidetime.org/missing-forensics/
Just how bad was the harassment of this expert witness ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/roncufley?lang=en
Is this a joke? you spent days and nights 'fact finding' to share on here without a kind word. NO ONE else does that.
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Ugh-------that is all I can say about some of the comments I've been reading on You Tube regarding this case!
Yeah. The posters there don't even try to disguise the language they use or the way they compose a sentence whilst using different usernames and platforms. I have to agree that a lot of it is vile. No moderators though on YouTube so it's easy hunting ground for some of those cowards.
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Yeah. The posters there don't even try to disguise the language they use or the way they compose a sentence whilst using different usernames and platforms. I have to agree that a lot of it is vile. No moderators though on YouTube so it's easy hunting ground for some of those cowards.
Really? No moderators? (I know very little about You Tube).
I just hope they don't make their way over here!
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Really? No moderators? (I know very little about You Tube).
I just hope they don't make their way over here!
mrswah, you'd be surprised. At their nerve.
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mrswah, you'd be surprised. At their nerve.
I believe you. I'm disgusted at some of the stuff I've read over there!
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It is back on. Some group of guys called the 3 amigos are doing it instead.
So are The Four Amigos now The Three Amigos? What happened to an amigo? I can't keep up with all the different groups. I know I have lots of questions but I don't have Facebook.
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I honestly don't know. I think that they are done but who knows. They have their budding YouTube careers to think about. (&^&
Found the fourth one I think and you're right. It's all back on for 17th July.
https://youtu.be/Al7VVZfCc24