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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on September 03, 2021, 03:03:15 PM

Title: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Angelo222 on September 03, 2021, 03:03:15 PM
I for one fear that the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never be solved. Too much time has passed, too many people have since died, too little real investigation was carried out in the first few years following the incident and too many have a vested interest in this case for the truth to ever be revealed.

Now prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 03:15:49 PM
I for one fear that the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never be solved. Too much time has passed, too many people have since died, too little real investigation was carried out in the first few years following the incident and too many have a vested interest in this case for the truth to ever be revealed.

Now prove me wrong.

That I do agree with.  Too many establishment figures who would lose face if the truth became public knowledge.  IMO
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on September 03, 2021, 03:37:03 PM
That I do agree with.  Too many establishment figures who would lose face if the truth became public knowledge.  IMO
ooh a juicy conspiracy fer sure!
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 04:42:39 PM
I for one fear that the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never be solved. Too much time has passed, too many people have since died, too little real investigation was carried out in the first few years following the incident and too many have a vested interest in this case for the truth to ever be revealed.

Now prove me wrong.

I think you will be proved wrong. From what Wolters says he knows exactly how Mddie died...in that sense it is solved
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 03, 2021, 04:58:42 PM
I think you will be proved wrong. From what Wolters says he knows exactly how Mddie died...in that sense it is solved

Yes he knows exactly how she died, hence the reason he said she could be alive.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 05:00:58 PM
Yes he knows exactly how she died, hence the reason he said she could be alive.
If you actually knew what he said you would understand that apparrent contradiction.....
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 03, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
If you actually knew what he said you would understand that apparrent contradiction.....

He said there's no forensic evidence & it may be theoretically possible she's alive.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible."

How do you square 'knowing exactly how she died' with there being a possibility she's alive?

It would make sense if it was a 'belief', but according to you it's certainty.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: barrier on September 03, 2021, 06:20:35 PM
He said there's no forensic evidence & it may be theoretically possible she's alive.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible."

How do you square 'knowing exactly how she died' with there being a possibility she's alive?

It would make sense if it was a 'belief', but according to you it's certainty.

Knowing exactly would suggest an autopsy, mighty hard without a body.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: barrier on September 03, 2021, 06:26:20 PM
I for one fear that the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never be solved. Too much time has passed, too many people have since died, too little real investigation was carried out in the first few years following the incident and too many have a vested interest in this case for the truth to ever be revealed.

Now prove me wrong.

I've long said it'll remain person/s unknown  removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving a trace to her whereabouts, I've seen nothing to change my mind on that.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 06:27:55 PM
Knowing exactly would suggest an autopsy, mighty hard without a body.

Perhaps it's all on film, like some snuff movie.
'Course if that were the case, then they would have told the parents - which they may have. How would we know ?
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: barrier on September 03, 2021, 06:32:25 PM
Perhaps it's all on film, like some snuff movie.

Who identified said child, no one cause there ain't one.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
He said there's no forensic evidence & it may be theoretically possible she's alive.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible."

How do you square 'knowing exactly how she died' with there being a possibility she's alive?

It would make sense if it was a 'belief', but according to you it's certainty.

Have you not heard him explain.. It makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 06:38:46 PM
Have ypu not heard him explain.. It makes perfect sense

For those of us who don't understand, how about explaining how & why it makes perfect sense ?
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
For those of us who don't understand, how about explaining how & why it makes perfect sense ?
If you had listened to what Wolters has said you would understand..... If you havent then you are not really informed enough to criticise him...this is a general statement not directed solely at you
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 07:25:37 PM
If you had listened to what Wolters has said you would understand..... If you havent then you are not really informed enough to criticise him...this is a general statement not directed solely at you

So no explanation - bullshit as usual
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 07:42:58 PM
So no explanation - bullshit as usual

Im so glad I followed my instincts and didnt bother
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Im so glad I followed my instincts and didnt bother

You never do. The concept of  explanation is totally alien to you.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
You never do. The concept of  explanation is totally alien to you.

Whatever.. Im obviously not really bothered
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Yes he knows exactly how she died, hence the reason he said she could be alive.

But he didnt say... She could be alive..
He said... Theoretically.. She could be alive

Theres a big difference... Perhaps you think they are the same
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 08:17:26 PM
But if Wolter knew she was dead, he wouldn't say she might theoretically she might be alive, therefore he doesn't know.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 03, 2021, 08:20:25 PM
But he didnt say... She could be alive..
He said... Theoretically.. She could be alive

Theres a big difference... Perhaps you think they are the same

Then he doesn't know exactly how she died.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: jassi on September 03, 2021, 08:23:00 PM
Then he doesn't know exactly how she died.

Or even if she is dead - although she almost certainly is.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 03, 2021, 08:40:20 PM
Wolted originally said Maddie was dead.... He then accepted he didnt have absolute 100% proof of death but what evidence they had would show death almost certainly followed.

Exactly the same as Rui Pedro. There is no absolute proof of his death but it can be assumed he died after the abuse he was subjected too
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on September 04, 2021, 07:23:37 AM
But he didnt say... She could be alive..
He said... Theoretically.. She could be alive

Theres a big difference... Perhaps you think they are the same

I disagree dear Dave. If one knows for sure how someone died. then it is impossible that said person can still be "theoretically" alive.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 08:45:51 AM
I disagree dear Dave. If one knows for sure how someone died. then it is impossible that said person can still be "theoretically" alive.
I presume you are not familiar with the Rui Pedro case.. A child sbducted in Portugal. Assumed to be dead after photographic evidence of his abuse was found.

Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: barrier on September 04, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
I presume you are not familiar with the Rui Pedro case.. A child sbducted in Portugal. Assumed to be dead after photographic evidence of his abuse was found.


Nothing to say Wolters has anything of the sort,save in the conspiracy minds.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 08:49:23 AM
I presume you are not familiar with the Rui Pedro case.. A child sbducted in Portugal. Assumed to be dead after photographic evidence of his abuse was found.

Do they know exactly how he died?
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 08:53:17 AM

Nothing to say Wolters has anything of the sort,save in the conspiracy minds.

He has actually mentioned photographic evidence as being a possibility... And several other pointers ive already pointed out
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 08:53:59 AM
Do they know exactly how he died?

Google the facts
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 08:59:31 AM
Google the facts

So that's a no then.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 09:08:54 AM
I disagree dear Dave. If one knows for sure how someone died. then it is impossible that said person can still be "theoretically" alive.

Wolters has found Brueckner's video of Maddie being shot point blank in the temple then bleeding out.

But obviously without forensic evidence there's a chance she could be alive.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 09:20:10 AM
So that's a no then.

Its a
.
Ive posted the facts of the Rui Pedro case many times.. Im not bothered if you cant see the similarities
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Its a
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Ive posted the facts of the Rui Pedro case many times.. Im not bothered if you cant see the similarities

Good because there aren't any.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 09:23:27 AM
Wolters has found Brueckner's video of Maddie being shot point blank in the temple then bleeding out.

But obviously without forensic evidence there's a chance she could be alive.

One of your better posts
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
Good because there aren't any.
In yor opinion... Imo there are
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 09:25:17 AM
One of your better posts

Yes because many people survive bullets to the head without immediate medical treatment.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 04, 2021, 10:50:56 AM
In yor opinion... Imo there are

I've been looking for Rui Pedro's cause of death & can't find it anywhere.

You seem to know, so how 'exactly' did he die?
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on September 04, 2021, 01:37:32 PM
Yes because many people survive bullets to the head without immediate medical treatment.
No one said "many people survive bullets to the head without immediate medical treatment", however theoretically it is possible to survive a bullet to the head.  Like it's possible to survive a 100ft fall off a building.
Title: Re: Will the Maddie mystery ever be solved?
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on September 04, 2021, 03:12:59 PM
No one said "many people survive bullets to the head without immediate medical treatment", however theoretically it is possible to survive a bullet to the head.  Like it's possible to survive a 100ft fall off a building.

If Wolters has the evidence which apparently shows Madeleine being killed. He should tell the parents immediately, and probably charge his suspect. This has been going on for over a year!! It's grossly unfair to her family not to disclose the information to them, if indeed it is a fact. This drawn out public insinuation must be, if true, torturing Madeleine's family.