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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 25, 2013, 08:18:23 PM
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On September, 7th, 2007, Mrs Kate Healy was questioned by the Polícia Judiciária (Inspectors João Carlos, Paulo Ferreira and Ricardo Paiva). The first part of the interview was about generalities like, how was Madeleine's behaviour, her relationship with her siblings, her relation with parents and relatives, etc.
why was the reconstruction not asked?
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Because the PJ at the time ( you know Amaral and his cronies) thought they didn't need it as they were fitting the parents up.
Also, as stated in the files, the PJ decided it would be too busy with tourists, and, believe it or not, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THE AIRSPACE to do a reconstruction
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
WHere does this sort of 'real' reconstruction happen outside of TV programs?
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
Sensible post, icabod.
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
Sensible post, icabod.
See my question above.
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
WHere does this sort of 'real' reconstruction happen outside of TV programs?
I don't know ... but it would have in Portugal if the McCann's mates hadn't stymied it
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There should have been a reconstruction early in the investigation ... not with 'actors' in the crime-watch style that the McCanns prefered ... but a genuine reconstruction for police purposes only, with the real people involved
That it didn't happen is just one of the mistakes the Portuguese police must take responsibility for
WHere does this sort of 'real' reconstruction happen outside of TV programs?
I don't know ... but it would have in Portugal if the McCann's mates hadn't stymied it
But the McCanns mates didn't stymie it per se though, did they? It was stymied in May2007 by the PJ. By the time that it was re-iterated in 2008 the McCanns mates were well aware that the PJ were trying to fit up Kate and Gerry with their lies about the forensics. If I had been one of the mates, I would also have said no.
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There's something culturally difficult to understand : in Portugal like in France and in many others countries of Europe, it is not the best story that wins.
I think that the act of judging has to take into account singular stories.
What is the value of the prosaic hypothetical conclusion of the PJ that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value.
Now what is the value of the dramatic story of an abductor without a face carrying little Madeleine like children are carried away in nightmares, after creeping through a window previously jemmied, destroying horribly the life of honest and beautiful doctors ? Does one wonder about the success of that story ? Didn't it sell huge copies of tabloids and not only ?
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AnneGuedes
can you clarify exactly what you are saying?
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Though TV series should have turned justice in other parts of the planet more familiar, people from Common Law countries pain to understand the proceedings of justice in countries where the Romano-German system prevails. And reciprocally.
There was no kind of Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis in Anglo Saxon countries.
In the Inquisitorial system, through investigation methods, the judge and the police inspector are charged to obtain the truth from the suspect.
In the adversarial system the focus is on permanent negotiation and persuasion. Those depend very much on intellectual and financial capacities of the suspect (which leads to the aberrant condemnation to death of people incapable to defend themselves).
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
sorry - I thought you would explain how the parents discovered a cold body - their child.
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
sorry - I thought you would explain how the parents discovered a cold body - their child.
Hi Anne. Where do you imagine that they concealed Madeleine's remains for 3 weeks before transporting said remains in the Scenic? Which is what the PJ were purporting....
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
sorry - I thought you would explain how the parents discovered a cold body - their child.
Hi Anne. Where do you imagine that they concealed Madeleine's remains for 3 weeks before transporting said remains in the Scenic? Which is what the PJ were purporting....
Hi Rachel ! If I'm sure of something in this case it is that nobody concealed Madeleine's remains before transporting them. Imaginable but totally implausible in real life with real parents.
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
sorry - I thought you would explain how the parents discovered a cold body - their child.
Explain ? That would be story telling, amaraltheofficeboy, it is not what this forum has been created for.
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thankyou for your reply.
please explain " that parents discovered their child cold (accidentally dead in the process of finding where they were) and out of shame concealed the body for good, claiming the child had been abducted ? Shame ? Not much value."
There's nothing to explain, just a bad story.
sorry - I thought you would explain how the parents discovered a cold body - their child.
Explain ? That would be story telling, amaraltheofficeboy, it is not what this forum has been created for.
confused - what was this forum created for?
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Though TV series should have turned justice in other parts of the planet more familiar, people from Common Law countries pain to understand the proceedings of justice in countries where the Romano-German system prevails. And reciprocally.
There was no kind of Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis in Anglo Saxon countries.
In the Inquisitorial system, through investigation methods, the judge and the police inspector are charged to obtain the truth from the suspect.
In the adversarial system the focus is on permanent negotiation and persuasion. Those depend very much on intellectual and financial capacities of the suspect (which leads to the aberrant condemnation to death of people incapable to defend themselves).
As you probably know, most such countries have drifted away from the really evil parts of the Roman Law and moved towards common law over the past fifty years. The pressure from the ECHR has gradually molded systems of Justice and created many new safeguards against state imposition of force rather than law.
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What I note is a slight tendency in the US towards death pain suppression. BTW Portugal was one of the first countries on the planet to abolish it (1867), "an example for Europe",declared Victor Hugo.
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What I note is a slight tendency in the US towards death pain suppression. BTW Portugal was one of the first countries on the planet to abolish it (1867), "an example for Europe",declared Victor Hugo.
Elephants are quadrupeds.
Equally off topic.
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What I note is a slight tendency in the US towards death pain suppression. BTW Portugal was one of the first countries on the planet to abolish it (1867), "an example for Europe",declared Victor Hugo.
Elephants are quadrupeds.
Equally off topic.
A hundred years later you'd be hung in the UK if your words had the killing power they virtually intend to, nurse Debunker !