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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: stephen25000 on April 26, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042818/I-saw-girl-looked-like-Maddie-tram-Brussels-New-sighting-McCanns-detectives-focus-Belgium.html
It would be interesting to measure the correlation between 'sightings' and appearances of the Mccanns in the media.
So bearing in mind the mail article, anytime now. ?{)(**
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Perhaps you would like to do a scientific correlation rather than just trying to make the best guess to meet your biased view every time there is a sighting.
Boring and predictable.
Unable to debate using facts so you just scattergun stupid unsupported factoids into the forum.
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It seems that the 'naff sighting' is the result of the SY review finding it as being not followed up by the PJ when it was reported.
I saw girl who looked like Maddie on tram in Brussels': New sighting as McCanns' detectives focus on Belgium
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 12:30, 25 April 2013
A Belgian woman has spoken of the moment she spotted a child who looked like Madeleine McCann in Brussels just days after she went missing.
Line Compere recounted how she saw the girl with an Eastern European couple on a tram heading for the city's train station.
Her sighting was one of several potential leads revealed in the Portuguese police case files. Detectives are now looking at more than 100 in Belgium alone.
Miss Compere, 31, spoke out again yesterday after it emerged British police were tipped-off Madeleine may have been snatched for a paedophile ring in Belgium.
'I made the sighting on a tram. We were on the Number 18 tram from Porte d'Anderlecht going towards the Gare du Midi,' she said.
'They got off and then got on to the number 51 tram. She really looked like Madeleine, but her hair was different.
'In the photos I saw of Madeleine, she had a fringe, but this girl did not. She was dressed all in pink and was in a pushchair.
'I was standing close to her and saw her eyes - they were blue. But I did not notice any marking on her eye.
'She was with a man and a woman, both between 35 and 40 years old. They were white but had dark hair and looked Eastern European.
'They were both dressed in dark clothes. The girl looked very different to the adults.'
She added: 'I was interviewed once by Belgian police who launched an inquiry, and I gave them all the details I knew.'
The report was passed on to the Portuguese police but it is unclear what action was taken to follow it up.
According to the Portuguese police case files, Ms Compere said she saw the girl 12 days after Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.
She was suspicious because the couple with the youngster did not look like her, appeared to be speaking a different language and did not seem to know her well.
At the time, she had never seen a picture of Madeleine but later that day was shown a photograph of the missing girl and was struck by the similarity, according to the files.
In her interview on June 1 last year, she told police: 'When I saw the photo in question, it immediately jumped out to me that there was a big resemblance to the little girl on the tram.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042818/I-saw-girl-looked-like-Maddie-tram-Brussels-New-sighting-McCanns-detectives-focus-Belgium.html
Maybe you don't want the SY review to find anything that upsets your applecart.
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Maybe you believe that SY are part of Team McCann, feeding this story to the press to help them with the anniversary.
Or maybe it is just a coincidence.
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Perhaps you would like to do a scientific correlation rather than just trying to make the best guess to meet your biased view every time there is a sighting.
Boring and predictable.
Unable to debate using facts so you just scattergun stupid unsupported factoids into the forum.
As was demonstrated yesterday with the removed posts, when you are questioned, you resort to abuse.
Truly reminiscent of a child having a tantrum.
Meanwhile there will be sightings galore.
Are they new ?
No, they come from the files.
Are they of value ?
Well it wastes more tax payers money.
Does it get anywhere ?
Well almost 6 years later with publicity unequaled for any missing child in history, what is there ?
Zip.
Meanwhile the original £3.5 million limit on SY's investigation has been exceeded.
Does SY have any jurisdiction in the case ?
No
Are the Portuguese intending to re-open the case ?
No.
So what next ?
P.S. According to a poster on MM, this sighting has been around for years
'Just seen on Twitter that this has been around for years. I found it, though, by putting "Madeleine McCann" into search and choosing "Most recent" It states it's been updated this week. The question is why? No other sighting being reported, so dig up an old one? '
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Clarence Mitchell certainly does. The papers aren't now going to publish anything suspect/libel/defamatory in the wake of Leveson even if they can back it up.
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I saw girl who looked like Maddie on tram in Brussels': New sighting as McCanns' detectives focus on Belgium
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 12:30, 25 April 2013
From the Maddie case files:
Post subject: 'I Saw Girl Who Looked Like Maddie on Tram in.......08-08-08
'I saw girl who looked like Maddie on tram in Brussels': New sighting as McCanns' detectives focus on Belgium
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:56 AM on 08th August 2008
The same report? >@@(*&) >@@(*&)
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Stephen, do you think the McCanns control the British Media?
Here's the original.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042601/Detectives-probe-100-Madeleine-sightings-Belgium-claims-stolen-order.html
They can feed it. and have done so , over the last 6 years, as have both sides
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I saw girl who looked like Maddie on tram in Brussels': New sighting as McCanns' detectives focus on Belgium
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 12:30, 25 April 2013
From the Maddie case files:
Post subject: 'I Saw Girl Who Looked Like Maddie on Tram in.......08-08-08
'I saw girl who looked like Maddie on tram in Brussels': New sighting as McCanns' detectives focus on Belgium
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:56 AM on 08th August 2008
The same report? >@@(*&) >@@(*&)
>@@(*&)
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Why is it whenever a sighting is mentioned, there are people who find it neccessary to scorn the follow up of them?
Every time you get 'knew this was coming' 'the McCanns have done it again' for god sake, do you honestly think the McCanns go travelling around the world asking people to say they could have seen Madeleine?
Let SY do their job. If it was a sighting that Portugal police didn't follow up, then they need to persue it, they are not letting anything go uninvestigated.
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Clarence Mitchell certainly does. The papers aren't now going to publish anything suspect/libel/defamatory in the wake of Leveson even if they can back it up.
Clarence Mitchell controls the UK Media? Can you provide your evidence for this? Also, can you give me some sort of explanation as to why The Daily Mail does his bidding? I await your reply with interest.
Mitchell doesn't control the media, he feeds it with the information he wants released, whether it's the 'truth' or otherwise. He homed his skills in the Blair administration and moved onto Cameron's team briefly, I believe.
When have you seen a press conference with the Mccanns, when Mitchell hasn't been in the background controlling which questions are asked or not asked, which is the way he and the Mccanns like it.
''There was no evidence of a break-in. I'm not going into the detail''
“Kate and Gerry McCann would have no issue with taking a lie detector test”. However, two months later, he announced: "Of course they are not going to take any lie detector test”.
“None of them were wearing watches or had mobile phones on them that night”.
and so many more. 8(>((
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Clarence Mitchell certainly does. The papers aren't now going to publish anything suspect/libel/defamatory in the wake of Leveson even if they can back it up.
Clarence Mitchell controls the UK Media? Can you provide your evidence for this? Also, can you give me some sort of explanation as to why The Daily Mail does his bidding? I await your reply with interest.
Stephen - is this latest report fabricated by Clarence Mitchell then?
Mitchell doesn't control the media, he feeds it with the information he wants released, whether it's the 'truth' or otherwise. He homed his skills in the Blair administration and moved onto Cameron's team briefly, I believe.
When have you seen a press conference with the Mccanns, when Mitchell hasn't been in the background controlling which questions are asked or not asked, which is the way he and the Mccanns like it.
''There was no evidence of a break-in. I'm not going into the detail''
“Kate and Gerry McCann would have no issue with taking a lie detector test”. However, two months later, he announced: "Of course they are not going to take any lie detector test”.
“None of them were wearing watches or had mobile phones on them that night”.
and so many more. 8(>((
It's an old headline rehashed, but you know that.
Why don't yoi contact Mitchell, he's on twitter I believe. 8)-)))
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Clarence Mitchell certainly does. The papers aren't now going to publish anything suspect/libel/defamatory in the wake of Leveson even if they can back it up.
Clarence Mitchell controls the UK Media? Can you provide your evidence for this? Also, can you give me some sort of explanation as to why The Daily Mail does his bidding? I await your reply with interest.
Stephen - is this latest report fabricated by Clarence Mitchell then?
Mitchell doesn't control the media, he feeds it with the information he wants released, whether it's the 'truth' or otherwise. He homed his skills in the Blair administration and moved onto Cameron's team briefly, I believe.
When have you seen a press conference with the Mccanns, when Mitchell hasn't been in the background controlling which questions are asked or not asked, which is the way he and the Mccanns like it.
''There was no evidence of a break-in. I'm not going into the detail''
“Kate and Gerry McCann would have no issue with taking a lie detector test”. However, two months later, he announced: "Of course they are not going to take any lie detector test”.
“None of them were wearing watches or had mobile phones on them that night”.
and so many more. 8(>((
It's an old headline rehashed, but you know that.
Why don't yoi contact Mitchell, he's on twitter I believe. 8)-)))
I have no interest in contacting Clarence as I don't believe he invented the story. Do you believe he did? As the person who made the original sighting gave a quote to the paper yesterday do you think she was coerced into it?
No, I don't believe he made up the headline, but you have to question why it has reappeared now, when it has already been dismissed by the Portuguese.
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I think you've answered your own question there - it was dismissed by the Portuguese and SY are reviewing everything they didn't bother following up on properly. That's why these old reports are being re-visited. You obviously think it's not worth the time and money to make sure that every avenue is explored, fortunately SY don't agree with you.
So what make the PJ wrong ?
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I think you've answered your own question there - it was dismissed by the Portuguese and SY are reviewing everything they didn't bother following up on properly. That's why these old reports are being re-visited. You obviously think it's not worth the time and money to make sure that every avenue is explored, fortunately SY don't agree with you.
Scotland Yard are keeping the Daily Mail updated on operation grange ?
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Martha, it is not a new article, to do with SY, it is an exact copy of a Mail one written in August 08. It wasn't even in the paper yesterday. The comments section also shows it's an old closed article. Some admin work by the Mail perhaps to have made the date change.
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I think you've answered your own question there - it was dismissed by the Portuguese and SY are reviewing everything they didn't bother following up on properly. That's why these old reports are being re-visited. You obviously think it's not worth the time and money to make sure that every avenue is explored, fortunately SY don't agree with you.
Scotland Yard are keeping the Daily Mail updated on operation grange ?
No, but maybe the sighting witness is...?
So this person contacted the papers to say she has been re-interviewed by Scotland yard ... is that how you think this story came to be reported ?
You don't think, perhaps, if that was the case, the Daily Mail would have checked with the police before re-running the story ? ( especially in light of Leveson )
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Martha, it is not a new article, to do with SY, it is an exact copy of a Mail one written in August 08. It wasn't even in the paper yesterday. The comments section also shows it's an old closed article. Some admin work by the Mail perhaps to have made the date change.
It's not an exact copy. According to the Mail the woman who reported the sighting has spoken to the Mail again recently, it's quite likely that she would say much the same as she said the first time she spoke to the papers. That said,I know the Mail is not always an oracle of truthfulness, however even if they have chosen to re-hash an old story in order to make an eye-catching and paper-selling headline then I don't see how that's the McCanns' fault exactly.
Where does the Mail say she recontacted them and that SY are involved? The headlines mention the Mccann detectives not the Met. I am reading the article linked in the first post, and that article is word for word identical to an August 08 one. Is there another one somewhere? I have googled and cant find it.
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I think you've answered your own question there - it was dismissed by the Portuguese and SY are reviewing everything they didn't bother following up on properly. That's why these old reports are being re-visited. You obviously think it's not worth the time and money to make sure that every avenue is explored, fortunately SY don't agree with you.
Scotland Yard are keeping the Daily Mail updated on operation grange ?
No, but maybe the sighting witness is...?
So this person contacted the papers to say she has been re-interviewed by Scotland yard ... is that how you think this story came to be reported ?
You don't think, perhaps, if that was the case, the Daily Mail would have checked with the police before re-running the story ? ( especially in light of Leveson )
What? Are you saying that the Mail published this story without checking with the police then? You've lost me with your argument.
I'm just trying to establish why this ( old ) story has appeared now
If, as you suggest, it is because the witness has contacted the papers to say she has been re- interviewed by Scotland Yard ... and if the Mail checked with the police before running the story ... then we would have to assume that Scotland Yard verified details of operation grange to the Daily Mail, and gave them a green light to print the story
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I think you've answered your own question there - it was dismissed by the Portuguese and SY are reviewing everything they didn't bother following up on properly. That's why these old reports are being re-visited. You obviously think it's not worth the time and money to make sure that every avenue is explored, fortunately SY don't agree with you.
Scotland Yard are keeping the Daily Mail updated on operation grange ?
No, but maybe the sighting witness is...?
So this person contacted the papers to say she has been re-interviewed by Scotland yard ... is that how you think this story came to be reported ?
You don't think, perhaps, if that was the case, the Daily Mail would have checked with the police before re-running the story ? ( especially in light of Leveson )
What? Are you saying that the Mail published this story without checking with the police then? You've lost me with your argument.
I'm just trying to establish why this ( old ) story has appeared now
If, as you suggest, it is because the witness has contacted the papers to say she has been re- interviewed by Scotland Yard ... and if the Mail checked with the police before running the story ... then we would have to assume that Scotland Yard verified details of operation grange to the Daily Mail, and gave them a green light to print the story
What explanation do you prefer?
I don't prefer any
I always did feel uneasy when on-going investigations were reported in the press. Revealing that enquiries are taking place relating to one specific sighting or another makes no sense at all to me ... just gives a 'head up' to anyone who may be involved
Mccann private investigators did this frequently, but I find it even more alarming that Scotland Yard ( if you are correct in your assumption ) are following suit
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Martha, it is not a new article, to do with SY, it is an exact copy of a Mail one written in August 08. It wasn't even in the paper yesterday. The comments section also shows it's an old closed article. Some admin work by the Mail perhaps to have made the date change.
This from the 25th April 2013 Mail article:
Miss Compere, 31, spoke out again yesterday after it emerged British police were tipped-off Madeleine may have been snatched for a paedophile ring in Belgium
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042818/I-saw-girl-looked-like-Maddie-tram-Brussels-New-sighting-McCanns-detectives-focus-Belgium.html#ixzz2RZtRboe0
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No, that sentence appeared in the original as well, not the second article stephen linked to by the Mail, which has a different headline. The original is in the press articles archive on the Maddie Case Files site.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post46072.html#p46072
The story was reported by many newspapers that August, it was back then that the story was included as part of other reporting about British police regarding being tipped off about Madeleine being stolen to order by a paedophile ring, about dozens of Madeleine sightings in Belgium, and at the time it was reported this witness had spoken to the papers last night or yesterday. The speaking again refers to speaking again in August after her original reporting of her sighting to police back in May 07 and after the explosion of Madeleine sightings in Belgium that summer.
Your further post to me with the two quotes are not from the same article, one is from one and the other from the other.
PS The Maddie detectives referred to are not SY but their original PIs. If this was really a new story wouldn't it be reported by anyone else?
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Ah right - I hadn't seen that other Mail article. Well - then I agree it's most bizarre. Did the recent article actually make it to the print edition of the paper or is this an online glitch in which the date has been changed?
I don't know about a print edition, but it certainly was not on the online edition yesterday or today. Possibly a glitch, who knows? Maybe if a file is accessed and saved again it updates to this time? I really don't know.
Seems the Sun has updated its 8th August 08 article called I Spotted Maddie on Belgian Tram to todays date, but I haven't checked it with the original to see if any changes have been made. This would have been a front page story for the Sun and it wasn't in today's.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/madeleine/1531641/I-spotted-Maddie-on-Belgian-tram.html
Neither articles appear if you do a goggle search on the papers' name and Madeleine Mccann, any time recent, so I think it's fair to say they are old articles with a date change for some reason.
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was it a naff sighting the first time round or just the second time?
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For the [ censored word ]s. any sighting is a naff sighting as it goes against their contention that abduction was impossible.
Personally I would say that Madeleine is probably dead and that all sightings are likely to be false even if she is alive. But I say this because that is the probability, not because I need to say it in order to support an erroneous theory.