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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Admin on May 08, 2013, 09:47:04 PM
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Do you think that Brett Collins have an influence over Jeremy Bamber? There appears to be a direct link between his criminality and his trips to New Zealand.
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I dont think so, he was in Greece at the time of the murders.
I dont think collins at any influence at all regarding the murders, he came in handy afterwards when bamber was deciding what goodies he could flog.
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I was reading the powell book the other day. After the murders when bamber was staying at maida vale with collins, they would make noises as if they were having gay sex just incase the police were listening. He wanted to shock them. He and collins thought it was a reet laugh.
Poor Jeremy, he was truly devastated wasnt he.
Oh, bamber took to walking around in one of sheilas jumpers too.
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My apologies as I should have been more specific in my opening post. I was referring to the trail of robbery which ran from New Zealand to Essex. Collins had a police record which Robert Boutflour was able to unearth through use of a private investigator, there were reports that he was involved in robberies one of which allegedly led to someones death.
Could Collins' influence have set an otherwise reserved Jeremy off on the road to disaster?
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My apologies as I should have been more specific in my opening post. I was referring to the trail of robbery which ran from New Zealand to Essex. Collins had a police record which Robert Boutflour was able to unearth through use of a private investigator, there were reports that he was involved in robberies one of which allegedly led to someones death.
Could Collins' influence have set an otherwise reserved Jeremy off on the road to disaster?
It's possible, but I'm not sure if Bamber needed much encouragement, he'd been considering different methods of annihilating the family for many months. He specifically asked Sheila when she and the boys would be visiting the farm (the first time he'd ever bothered to do that) and realised that it would be the perfect opportunity. So he apparently loaded up a rifle and left it out for Sheila to find. How convenient that it was the night when Sheila, after going quietly to bed, decided to kill everyone with such surprising strength and efficiency. And how very unlikely that Ralph wouldn't have put the gun and bullets safely out of harm's way when two six year old boys were in the house.
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Yes, quite right,
Bamber was set on killing his family months if not years before the event. I do believe that there was a trigger. As often is the case with cowards, they like to morally justify what they are doing by creating a pretext. This way they can often justify - however ludicrous it may seem to us - their actions. Bamber often justified the killings to Mugford later by stating how "mad" or "passed it" they all were and that he'd "done everyone a favour"
I believe Bamber manufactured an argument the night of the killings, between himself, Sheila and his parents. The pretext was probably the notion that the parents, noticing that Sheila was struggling physically, emotionally and financially, wanted her to live closer to them so they could keep an eye on the boys. It is reasonable to assume that they asked Jeremy about maybe giving up his cottage (which belonged to them) for Sheila to live in. This would have incensed the selfish Bamber. The farmhands living nearby heard Bamber slam his car door and screech his tyres as he left. This served dual purposes. Not only was he angry but he also had the cunning insight to send a clear message to those still on the farm -such as Len Foakes - that he had left the farm. This spat was what he'd been waiting for - justification of a sort. It was later that night that he'd phoned Julie and told her he was "pissed off" He was working himself up, like any coward, to summon up the guts to kill his family. He didn't need any help, assistance or urging though. The time was right, the family had finally gathered in one place. "Tonight's the night"......."It's now or never" and this coward knew it.