Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on April 26, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Title: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: John on April 26, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
I have separated this thread off since the topic under discussion has changed somewhat.
The image below is what apparently jogged Mr Smiths memory of the events of 3rd May 2007 when he and his family encountered a man carrying a child in the same manner.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 12:58:28 PM
None of Martin Smith's kids agreed with him.
In the rogs, I found it interesting that they were trying to remember their own memories (what their individual recollections were) and tried to divorce those from what they had later heard or had otherwise perhaps falsely assimilated. Even to the point of disagreeing with their spouses' recollections.
Such in-depth interviews should have taken place whilst memories were fresh (without the press interference of RM having been made arguido), by officers trained in such interview techniques.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
In the rogs, I found it interesting that they were trying to remember their own memories (what their individual recollections were) and tried to divorce those from what they had later heard or had otherwise perhaps falsely assimilated. Even to the point of disagreeing with their spouses' recollections.
Such in-depth interviews should have taken place whilst memories were fresh (without the press interference of RM having been made arguido), by officers trained in such interview techniques.
Mr Smith said the rest of the family, except for his wife who agreed with him, didn't. We don't know whether they said "we can't say" or "he's definitively not the one" (which, imo, would have allowed Mr Smith to desist without feeling a coward). Did the TP3 wrote a letter begging pardon to Robert M. ? Not many would have reacted as he did. He's really the guy depicted in the Times.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: ferryman on May 20, 2013, 03:02:12 PM
except for his wife who agreed with him,
Wasn't Mr Smith's wife ambivalent?
I think she said it could have been Gerry
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Martin didn't say anything much different, except that he was presumably asked to express his doubt on a scale.
He didn't even say it was Gerry himself who reminded him of the man he saw - it was the way he was holding/carrying his sleeping child that looked familiar to him. His memory had not been jogged by all the pictures of Gerry that he must have seen previously on TV and in the Press.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: debunker on May 20, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
Mr Smith said the rest of the family, except for his wife who agreed with him, didn't. We don't know whether they said "we can't say" or "he's definitively not the one" (which, imo, would have allowed Mr Smith to desist without feeling a coward). Did the TP3 wrote a letter begging pardon to Robert M. ? Not many would have reacted as he did. He's really the guy depicted in the Times.
See above comment. Interesting use of the word 'desist'.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
He didn't even say it was Gerry himself who reminded him of the man he saw - it was the way he was holding/carrying his sleeping child that looked familiar to him. His memory had not been jogged by all the pictures of Gerry that he must have seen previously on TV and in the Press.
Right. It wasn't his face (nobody said so), but the uncomfortable holding that... struck him, which is coherent with his assumed incapacity to recognize the carrier. You don't expect a father to hold his child clumsily and this detail is likely kept in memory.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
He didn't even say it was Gerry himself who reminded him of the man he saw - it was the way he was holding/carrying his sleeping child that looked familiar to him. His memory had not been jogged by all the pictures of Gerry that he must have seen previously on TV and in the Press.
Right. It wasn't his face (nobody said so), but the uncomfortable holding that... struck him, which is coherent with his assumed incapacity to recognize the carrier. You don't expect a father to hold his child clumsily and this detail is likely kept in memory.
I never understood what was clumsy in the way Gerry carried Sean down the steps of an aircraft.
The little boy was, and stayed, sound asleep (despite getting out of seats, out of the plane, all the noise on a tarmac).
This little boy was totally limp in his daddy's arms and his daddy was obviously looking down to see where he was going.
There aren't 10,000 ways to carry a child of that age down such steps.
Could THAT similarity have triggered a flash memory?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 06:17:35 PM
I never understood what was clumsy in the way Gerry carried Sean down the steps of an aircraft.
The little boy was, and stayed, sound asleep (despite getting out of seats, out of the plane, all the noise on a tarmac).
This little boy was totally limp in his daddy's arms and his daddy was obviously looking down to see where he was going.
There aren't 10,000 ways to carry a child of that age down such steps.
Could THAT similarity have triggered a flash memory?
That is exactly what happened in my opinion Carana. How many other ways are there of carrying a sleeping child of that age and size down aircraft steps? Only one IMO and that's exactly the same except on the R/H shoulder. Only a small baby would be carried differently.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 07:09:04 PM
But Mr Smith doesn't say it's the way to carry in itself, it's the fact the carrier did it uncomfortably, as someone who isn't trained to.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
That is exactly what happened in my opinion Carana. How many other ways are there of carrying a sleeping child of that age and size down aircraft steps? Only one IMO and that's exactly the same except on the R/H shoulder. Only a small baby would be carried differently.
Unless you wanted to break your neck, by not having a free hand, just in case of a fall.
Anne, how would you carry a child down stairs?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: sadie on May 21, 2013, 12:43:41 AM
Martin didn't say anything much different, except that he was presumably asked to express his doubt on a scale.
He didn't even say it was Gerry himself who reminded him of the man he saw - it was the way he was holding/carrying his sleeping child that looked familiar to him. His memory had not been jogged by all the pictures of Gerry that he must have seen previously on TV and in the Press.
Right. It wasn't his face (nobody said so), but the uncomfortable holding that... struck him, which is coherent with his assumed incapacity to recognize the carrier. You don't expect a father to hold his child clumsily and this detail is likely kept in memory.
There was nothing clumsy, or remarkable in any way, about the way Gerry carried S***
Gerrys method of holding S*** was perfect and the way any experienced adult would carry a child. He held him firmly against his body in an upright position, supported under his bottom by Gerry left arm. Gerrys right arm and hand were at the ready to grab the rail, in case he should fall ... or equally ready to support S***s back, should he jerk awake.
I cant understand all the fuss. Seems someone was trying to make much of nothing
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 21, 2013, 12:48:47 AM
There was nothing clumsy, or remarkable in any way, about the way Gerry carried S***
Gerrys method of holding S*** was perfect and the way any experienced adult would carry a child. He held him firmly against his body in an upright position, supported under his bottom by Gerry left arm. Gerrys right arm and hand were at the ready to grab the rail, in case he should fall ... or equally ready to support S***s back, should he jerk awake.
I cant understand all the fuss. Seems someone was trying to make much of nothing
I agree sadie
The way Gerry was carrying his little boy as he got off the plane seemed perfectly natural and comfortable to me
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: sadie on May 21, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
Oh, you remind me of a very decent anti who was a fan of Edith Piaf.
Some real brutes on there; it was horrifying.
This is so much more civilized.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 21, 2013, 10:56:14 AM
The way Gerry was carrying his little boy as he got off the plane seemed perfectly natural and comfortable to me
It seems everybody says so (I've not seen the video), so what jogged Mr Smith's and his wife's memories ? Why did Mr Smith translate his feeling in "uncomfortable way" ? Wouldn't anyone say that Jane T's carrier was carrying "uncomfortably ?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: sadie on May 21, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
I've no idea Anne.
Perhaps Mr Smith was just using the way that Gerry was holding S^^^ as an example of the way that ?bundleman? was holding ?Madeleine ? And because of language probs he was misunderstood
or being suspicious minded here, Maybe Mr Smith was deliberately misunderstood, wound up, in order to try and deliberately incriminate Gerry? Who knows?
Rebelo would have none of it ... and it appears that neither will SY
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Benice on May 21, 2013, 11:52:32 PM
The way Gerry was carrying his little boy as he got off the plane seemed perfectly natural and comfortable to me
It seems everybody says so (I've not seen the video), so what jogged Mr Smith's and his wife's memories ? Why did Mr Smith translate his feeling in "uncomfortable way" ? Wouldn't anyone say that Jane T's carrier was carrying "uncomfortably ?
If you watch the video Anne I think you will see why there is nothing odd about the way GM is carrying his child.
IMO Jayne Tanner's 'man' was carrying Madeleine in the way they would if she had been handed to them by someone else. Not a comfortable position - and not one you would be able to maintain for very long IMO.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
The way Gerry was carrying his little boy as he got off the plane seemed perfectly natural and comfortable to me
It seems everybody says so (I've not seen the video), so what jogged Mr Smith's and his wife's memories ? Why did Mr Smith translate his feeling in "uncomfortable way" ? Wouldn't anyone say that Jane T's carrier was carrying "uncomfortably ?
If you watch the video Anne I think you will see why there is nothing odd about the way GM is carrying his child.
IMO Jayne Tanner's 'man' was carrying Madeleine in the way they would if she had been handed to them by someone else. Not a comfortable position - and not one you would be able to maintain for very long IMO.
As I said, Benice, something jogged Mr Smith's and his wife's memories. Was it the right arm or the left one ? Or the hand ? How do men actually carry kids ? With the two arms or with only one ? Men have more muscles than women ! Much more ! I wouldn't be able to carry a child on my shoulder with just one arm around to support the body. I would use the opposite arm as well. But usually men don't and keep an arm free.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: John on May 22, 2013, 12:35:34 AM
This is the image which apparently jogged Mr Smiths memory of the man he and his family encountered in Praia da Luz carrying a child in the same manner on the very night that Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:03:20 AM
That is exactly what happened in my opinion Carana. How many other ways are there of carrying a sleeping child of that age and size down aircraft steps? Only one IMO and that's exactly the same except on the R/H shoulder. Only a small baby would be carried differently.
Unless you wanted to break your neck, by not having a free hand, just in case of a fall.
Anne, how would you carry a child down stairs?
I would keep a free hand and likely hold the bannister, as does Mrs McCann, in case of a fall.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
Who looks more "comfortable" ? Mr or Mrs McCann ?
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: icabodcrane on May 22, 2013, 01:05:40 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
There is nothing remarkable about that ... it is the most natural and comfortable way to carry a sleeping child
What is worth mentioning, though, is that in the McCann documentary/reconstruction the manner in which the man was carrying the child was misrepresented
The McCanns and Dave Edgar ( their private detective who was participating ) had read the Smith witness statements, and yet chose to present the man they had seen that night to be carrying the child in the way Jane Tanner, and not they had described
Why did they do that ?
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:17:16 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
There is nothing remarkable about that ... it is the most natural and comfortable way to carry a sleeping child
What is worth mentioning, though, is that in the McCann documentary/reconstruction the manner in which the man was carrying the child was misrepresented
The McCanns and Dave Edgar ( their private detective who was participating ) had read the Smith witness statements, and yet chose to present the man they had seen that night to be carrying the child in the way Jane Tanner, and not they had described
Why did they do that ?
I think they tried a compromise between JT carrier and Smith carrier, the result being rather implausible (a child would surely have woken up being carried this way).
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: John on May 22, 2013, 01:20:50 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
There is nothing remarkable about that ... it is the most natural and comfortable way to carry a sleeping child
What is worth mentioning, though, is that in the McCann documentary/reconstruction the manner in which the man was carrying the child was misrepresented
The McCanns and Dave Edgar ( their private detective who was participating ) had read the Smith witness statements, and yet chose to present the man they had seen that night to be carrying the child in the way Jane Tanner, and not they had described
Why did they do that ?
It wasn't very professional was it Icabodcrane? I wonder if we can find that particular video so I can get a frame from it?
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: icabodcrane on May 22, 2013, 01:26:15 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
There is nothing remarkable about that ... it is the most natural and comfortable way to carry a sleeping child
What is worth mentioning, though, is that in the McCann documentary/reconstruction the manner in which the man was carrying the child was misrepresented
The McCanns and Dave Edgar ( their private detective who was participating ) had read the Smith witness statements, and yet chose to present the man they had seen that night to be carrying the child in the way Jane Tanner, and not they had described
Why did they do that ?
I think they tried a compromise between JT carrier and Smith carrier, the result being rather implausible (a child would surely have woken up being carried this way).
The Smiths saw a man carrying a child vertically against his body ( as Gerry is carrying his son in the imagae here )
In the documentary/reconstruction the man was shown to carrying the child horizontally across his arms, with his face fully visible ( exactly as Jane Tanner described )
Where was the compromise ?
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:33:34 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
Only Aoife says this explicitly.
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:40:42 AM
The Smiths saw a man carrying a child vertically against his body ( as Gerry is carrying his son in the imagae here )
In the documentary/reconstruction the man was shown to carrying the child horizontally across his arms, with his face fully visible ( exactly as Jane Tanner described )
Where was the compromise ?
I might be wrong, but I remember the child wasn't lying flat on arms, like the sketch ordered by Metodo 3, but seized like a bundle, with her head upper than her knees. The actress child looked very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: sadie on May 22, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
From memory, you are not right there Icabod. I am pretty sure only Mr Smith thought that.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: John on May 22, 2013, 02:14:04 AM
I will post a frame from the reconstruction video tomorrow. You are correct, it shows a man carrying a child in exactly the same manner as that described by Jane Tanner and not as Gerry carried one of the twins down the aircraft steps.
Fast forward to 14.50
Interesting to note that the voice-over is from Mr Smiths perspective and using his words.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 09:51:27 AM
I will post a frame from the reconstruction video tomorrow. You are correct, it shows a man carrying a child in exactly the same manner as that described by Jane Tanner and not as Gerry carried one of the twins down the aircraft steps.
Fast forward to 14.50
Interesting to note that the voice-over is from Mr Smiths perspective and using his words.
Thank you, John. I don't find it "exactly the same manner", the child is more sitting than lying. A baby would be carried this way, because a baby doesn't grasp, but not a 4yrs old.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: sadie on May 22, 2013, 10:49:31 AM
I will post a frame from the reconstruction video tomorrow. You are correct, it shows a man carrying a child in exactly the same manner as that described by Jane Tanner and not as Gerry carried one of the twins down the aircraft steps.
Fast forward to 14.50
Interesting to note that the voice-over is from Mr Smiths perspective and using his words.
Thank you, John. I don't find it "exactly the same manner", the child is more sitting than lying. A baby would be carried this way, because a baby doesn't grasp, but not a 4yrs old.
A drugged unconscious child does not grasp, I think.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 22, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
I will post a frame from the reconstruction video tomorrow. You are correct, it shows a man carrying a child in exactly the same manner as that described by Jane Tanner and not as Gerry carried one of the twins down the aircraft steps.
Fast forward to 14.50
Interesting to note that the voice-over is from Mr Smiths perspective and using his words.
Thanks for posting the McCann documentary here John, I havn't seen it since it was on TV
Perhaps it could have a thread of it's own since it raises quite a few questions, I think
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 11:48:45 AM
A drugged unconscious child does not grasp, I think.
Does grasp, yes. Even in coma there's some grasp, it's instinctive.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Redblossom on May 22, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
For reference
Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.
and
would like to state that the statement I made on 26th May 2007 in Portugal is correct. The description of the individual that I saw on 3rd May 2007 carrying a child is as follows. He was average build, 5 foot 10' in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer. He had a full head of hair with a tight cut. This individual was alone. I saw Gerard McCann (sic) going down the plane stairs carrying one of his children on 9th September 2007 BBC news at 10 PM, I have been shown the video clip by Sergeant Hogan which I recognise. A clip I have seen before on the Internet. In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane. After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
Title: Re: The Smiths sighting revisited
Post by: Redblossom on May 22, 2013, 12:29:50 PM
The entire Smith family agreed that the man they saw that night was carrying a child in the exact way as Gerry is seen to be carrying his son in the image above
There is nothing remarkable about that ... it is the most natural and comfortable way to carry a sleeping child
What is worth mentioning, though, is that in the McCann documentary/reconstruction the manner in which the man was carrying the child was misrepresented
The McCanns and Dave Edgar ( their private detective who was participating ) had read the Smith witness statements, and yet chose to present the man they had seen that night to be carrying the child in the way Jane Tanner, and not they had described
Why did they do that ?
Also why did they depict the Smithman as identical to the Tanner man in appearance? the Smiths did not describe a man with chin length hair as shown, then Gerry says, come on, lets get the phones ringing...
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
The Smithman was obviously embarrassing, but they couldn't ignore him. Though Jane T didn't actually see the carried child, the Tannerman has the preference. Instead of contending with the carrier issue, there's a sort of escaping it.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Benice on May 22, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
The Smithman was obviously embarrassing, but they couldn't ignore him. Though Jane T didn't actually see the carried child, the Tannerman has the preference. Instead of contending with the carrier issue, there's a sort of escaping it.
For whom was the 'Smithman' embarrassing Anne, and why?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 02:37:28 PM
The Smithman was obviously embarrassing, but they couldn't ignore him. Though Jane T didn't actually see the carried child, the Tannerman has the preference. Instead of contending with the carrier issue, there's a sort of escaping it.
For whom was the 'Smithman' embarrassing Anne, and why?
For once he was embarrassing for Mr and Mrs Smith, Benice. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: debunker on May 22, 2013, 02:53:42 PM
The Smithman was obviously embarrassing, but they couldn't ignore him. Though Jane T didn't actually see the carried child, the Tannerman has the preference. Instead of contending with the carrier issue, there's a sort of escaping it.
For whom was the 'Smithman' embarrassing Anne, and why?
For once he was embarrassing for Mr and Mrs Smith, Benice. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.
You spoke to him?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: John on May 22, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
As promised, here are the two stills from the reconstruction video of what the Smith family supposedly saw. As you can see the film makers went with the babe lying in arms scenario rather than that babe held vertically.
Given that Martin Smith did say that watching Gerry McCann coming down the steps of the aircraft with a child held vertically against him reminded him of the sighting in Praia da Luz one has to wonder why the video-makers chose to ignore his recollections?
(http://i.imgur.com/PGkaiZh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ELhNur7.jpg)
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Redblossom on May 22, 2013, 10:12:26 PM
Gerry mccann oks a documentary that has fake info in it and asks the public to ring in with information, based on it, laughable at best, deceptive all along imo
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Benice on May 22, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Gerry mccann oks a documentary that has fake info in it and asks the public to ring in with information, based on it, laughable at best, deceptive all along imo
What's the 'deception' he's trying to achieve?
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Redblossom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
Gerry mccann oks a documentary that has fake info in it and asks the public to ring in with information, based on it, laughable at best, deceptive all along imo
What's the 'deception' he's trying to achieve?
None so blind etc as well as those who dont follows the case and threads
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 22, 2013, 10:30:28 PM
Mr Smith had a tough time, the Gardaï says so.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: Redblossom on May 22, 2013, 10:33:42 PM
Gerry mccann oks a documentary that has fake info in it and asks the public to ring in with information, based on it, laughable at best, deceptive all along imo
What's the 'deception' he's trying to achieve?
None so blind etc as well as those who dont follows the case and threads
You're not going to tell me then. Fair enough.
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 23, 2013, 12:58:39 AM
As promised, here are the two stills from the reconstruction video of what the Smith family supposedly saw. As you can see the film makers went with the babe lying in arms scenario rather than that babe held vertically.
Given that Martin Smith did say that watching Gerry McCann coming down the steps of the aircraft with a child held vertically against him reminded him of the sighting in Praia da Luz one has to wonder why the video-makers chose to ignore his recollections?
I think Gerry was the 'video-maker' there John
He was in complete control, it appears to me .... right down to over-ruling Jane and Jez Wilkins recollections of where everyone was placed, and imposing, instead, his own recollection of events
You'd have thought, wouldn't you, given that his own presence was pretty incidental ( he didn't see either Jane or the abductor, afterall ) that he would have allowed Jane to do her reconstruction ( and it was her reconstruction ) without interference
You'd think, wouldn't you, that he would say ... " I really think I crossed the road to speak to Jez, but you know what, if you and Jez remember it differently, let's go with that ... it's how you remember things that's important here Jane, because it was you who saw the abductor making of with Madeleine at exactly this point"
But no, Gerry undermines Jane's credibility as a witness by pointing out that she was wrong about something she recalled that night ... he casts doubt on the recall of the single witness who lends at least a shred of credibility to the abductor theory
It was his show John ... and he was calling all the shots
Title: Re: What was it that jogged Mr Smiths memory?
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 02:21:30 AM
fancy taking cheap shots at missing children here too?