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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Heriberto Janosch on May 25, 2013, 11:24:31 PM

Title: White van ...
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 25, 2013, 11:24:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331016/Maddie-mystery-ex-soldier-camper-van-Police-contacted-Army-information-days-confirming-identified-new-persons-interest.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331016/Maddie-mystery-ex-soldier-camper-van-Police-contacted-Army-information-days-confirming-identified-new-persons-interest.html)

Maddie mystery of ex-soldier and his camper van: Police contacted Army for information days before confirming they had identified new 'persons of interest'
While former guardsman Peter Verran has not been accused of any wrongdoing, the timing is significant
McCann family also wants to speak to him about his whereabouts at the time of Madeline's disappearance

Scotland Yard is investigating claims made by a former soldier in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Days before confirming they had identified new ‘persons of interest’, officers from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command contacted the Army seeking information about Peter Verran.
While Mr Verran has not been accused of any wrongdoing, the timing is significant.

Ex-Guardsman Mr Verran first came to the attention of police in 2009 when he emerged to dispute the alibi of British child abuser Raymond Hewlett, 64.

Mr Verran first came to the attention of police in 2009 when he emerged to dispute the alibi of British child abuser Raymond Hewlett
Hewlett was living in the Algarve just an hour’s drive from where the youngster disappeared.
However, in publicly pointing the finger at Hewlett, who denied abducting Madeleine, Mr Verran apparently neglected to mention the disappearance of his own camper van within months of Madeleine’s disappearance, or the fact he had been in Portugal.
Those details, disclosed in documents held by the Royal British Legion, show he sought emergency funds from the organisation after claiming his van and all his possessions had been stolen.
The documents also reveal he travelled through Portugal.
When Mr Verran came forward, he was interviewed by Leicestershire Police, and by private investigators working for the McCanns, as an informant.
Mr Verran told of a conversation he had with Hewlett in September 2007 after they met at a Moroccan campsite.
Hewlett admitted to owning a white Transit-style van around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance – the van was similar to one seen parked near the Ocean Club.
Hewlett, who died in 2010, said in a newspaper interview that a blue Dodge truck was his only vehicle at the time.
A source close to the McCanns said Mr Verran made no mention of his camper van being stolen, or the time he spent in Portugal, to private detectives working for the family. It is not known what the former soldier told police.

‘We’d like Mr Verran to explain these omissions from his interviews with us, and say when he was in Portugal,’ said the source.
‘It is potentially interesting that this information has now emerged and we will be discussing this development with police.’
Earlier this month, Scotland Yard detectives approached the Army seeking to establish the whereabouts of 50-year-old Mr Verran’s military records.

A source close to the probe said: ‘There is almost certainly an innocent explanation behind the theft of Mr Verran’s van and his journeys through Portugal and Morocco.
'But he challenged Hewlett’s version of events without seemingly admitting he, too, was in Portugal, or that his only method of transport vanished.’
The Met would not confirm officers had sought Mr Verran’s Army records. The Ministry of Defence declined to comment.

Heri.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: sadie on May 26, 2013, 12:11:28 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedo-raymond-hewlett-admits-visiting-395741

By Simon Wright Comments
Paedo Raymond Hewlett admits visiting Madeleine holiday flats 23 May 2009 22:20 Paedo's shock confession to holiday couple: 'I know Maddie resort very well..I’ve parked near flat several times.'


 Kate and Gerry McCann (pic: PA) The McCanns

The British paedophile linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has sensationally confessed to being outside her holiday apartment “many times”.

Convicted pervert Raymond Hewlett, 64, has admitted knowing the resort where the McCanns were holidaying “very well” and said he had parked a van close to their complex on several occasions.

And last night a man who shared a Morocco campsite with Hewlett and his family for three months described how the drifter was obsessed with the missing youngster.

Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Mirror, former Scots Guard Peter Verran, 46, revealed how Hewlett, his German wife Mariana, 33, and their six children arrived at the campsite where he was holidaying in Chefchaaouen in a battered Dodge truck. It was May 2007 – shortly after Madeleine’s disappearance.

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article395739.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/peter-verran-and-wife-pic-sm-751882869.jpg)

 Peter Verran his wife wife Nisrine (pic: SM) The Verrans spent three months with Hewlett

“He seemed like an old hippy traveller who had dropped out,” said Peter, who runs an internet business selling antiques and collectibles from his home in Fowey, Cornwall.

“We got talking at the toilet block. He brought Madeleine up straight away. He said his three-year-old daughter looked like her.

“He was worried that because there had been reports that Madeleine may have been spirited away to Morocco, people might think his child was her. Then he suddenly said, ‘Madeleine’s not in Morocco’.

“I asked him what he meant and he said he knew Praia Da Luz really well. He knew the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns had been staying. He said he’d been there many times and had often parked his van close to the apartment.

(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article395737.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/raymond-hewlett-pic-sm-528388973.jpg)

 Raymond Hewlett (pic: SM) Raymond Hewlett at the campsite in Morocco in July 2007

“He said he knew the layout of the place, the flat and the restaurant where the McCanns and their friends had been eating when Maddie disappeared. He had a lot of detail about the layout. He said there was no way that the child could be taken without the parents seeing. He said they were lying.”

Yesterday it emerged that Portuguese police did speak to Hewlett about Madeleine’s disappearance – but ruled him out as a suspect.

Peter also revealed that pothead Hewlett made wild and unfounded claims that the McCanns – both doctors, from Rothley, Leics – were involved in their daughter’s disappearance.

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article395738.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/raymond-hewlett-s-truck-pic-sm-567050157.jpg)

 Raymond Hewlett's Truck (pic: SM) Verran took this photo of Hewlett relaxing

“One of Hewlett’s theories was that there had been an accident and Kate and Gerry had killed her and were trying to cover it up,” said Peter.

“He even made the crazy suggestion that her mum and dad had sold her to gipsies. He said it was common knowledge among locals that Praia Da Luz in general and the Ocean Club in particular was a magnet for Romanian gipsies who abduct and then traffic children.

"I asked him why he’d left and come to Morocco. He told me he’d had to leave Portugal in a hurry. He said he’d packed his family up in half an hour and just driven out of the area. That was just after Maddie was taken.”

Peter, who is partially disabled, met his Moroccan wife Nisrine, 25, when he was holidaying in Agadir.

They married in May 2007 and when they encountered Hewlett at the remote campsite, they were enjoying an extended honeymoon touring the country in a camper van.

“We’d been there a week or so when Hewlett and his family just rolled in in a big blue Dodge truck,” said Peter, who has two children from a previous marriage. “I didn’t see him for a few days. I just saw his wife and kids. She’d checked them in to the campsite and seemed to be handling all the paperwork. In Morocco, you have to have the right papers to stay anywhere. Looking back, it seems Hewlett was reluctant to be seen by anyone in authority.”

 Raymond Hewlett Raymond Hewlett

After a few days, Peter began bumping into Hewlett and they started to chat. “He told me he had been in Southern Ireland once but had to leave in a hurry,” said Peter. “He explained that he and his wife were travellers and they moved around a lot. He said he spent his days sitting around smoking dope while his six kids played.

“The kids were a bit weird. They were very withdrawn and couldn’t speak properly. They never went to school and spent all day playing in the mud.

“Hewlett told me he was ill and suffered with pains in his chest. One day he said, ‘I think I’ve got cancer’. I told him to go back to England to get checked out and to sort the kids out with a proper home. He said he didn’t want people poking their noses into his business.’’

Peter told how he and Nisrine would eat meals with Hewlett’s family – and Hewlett would often talk about Madeleine. “He went on and on about the McCanns and kept telling me all his theories about what he thought had happened,” said Peter. “Looking back, maybe it was a way of making sure we didn’t think he had anything to do with it.”

Peter, who spent six years in the Army before working with people with learning difficulties, recalled how in the three months they were all together he only saw Hewlett leave the camp once or twice. “Most of the time he stayed on the campsite,” he said. “He was never short of money though. He bought diesel, a motorbike and engine parts. I don’t know where he got his money from. He said he’d made cash from car boot sales.”

Then, one day in August 2007, Hewlett announced he and his family were leaving. “He said his wife’s visa had run out and his passport was out of date,” said Peter. “They packed up and left quickly.”

Peter and Nisrine returned to the UK in November 2007 and had occasional texts or phone calls from Hewlett. “He said he was back in Tavira, near Praia Da Luz, doing car boot sales,” Peter said.

“In June last year, he rang to say he had throat cancer. The next I heard they were in Spain. He called to ask for money and I sent him £50. I couldn’t bear the thought of his kids starving. I even offered to pay for him to come back to the UK. I didn’t get a reply and we lost touch.

“Then suddenly this week he was in the newspapers linked to Maddie’s disappearance. I could hardly believe my eyes. It was such a massive shock. It makes my blood run cold. We haven’t been able to sleep much since the news broke. I keep feeling guilty that I should have noticed something and gone to the police. But I just thought he was an odd drifter. I pray he hasn’t had anything to do with it, but now I just don’t know.”

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article395740.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/raymond-hewlett-s-truck-pic-sm-38554539.jpg)

 Raymond Hewlett's Truck (pic: SM) Hewlett arrived in Morocco in this blue truck. He had travelled there from Portugal

Detectives working for the McCanns are now investigating former trawlerman Hewlett. And officers from Leicestershire Police – the McCanns home force and in charge of liaising with Portuguese authorities – have said they want to speak to two British holidaymakers who tracked down Hewlett.

Cindy and Alan Thompson raised the alarm after they realised he and his family had been staying at a camping site an hour from Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished. The couple helped to trace him to the hospital in Germany where he is being treated for throat cancer.

Last night Leicestershire Police were made aware of the Sunday Mirror’s new revelations. Hewlett is also wanted for questioning by West Yorkshire Police over a child sex attack in 1975 and by Greater Manchester Police investigating the 1975 abuse of an eight-year-old girl.

In 1972, he abducted and sexually assaulted a neighbour’s six-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to 18 months and released after a year. In 1978 he attempted to rape a nine-year-old girl and was jailed four years. In 1988 in Mold, Cheshire, he kidnapped and assaulted a 14-year-old girl and was jailed for six years.

He was described by one judge as “extremely dangerous” and once featured on a Crimestoppers list of Most Wanted Paedophiles.

simon.wright@sundaymirror.co.uk


Please note:  I have missed out a couple of the photographs
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 12:25:33 AM
Why are these  'old'  stories being rehashed by the Daily Mail  ?

I do not believe that someone in Scotland Yard is leaking information to the Mail  ...  so soon after Leveson that is highly unlikely

So who  is  generating  these  'been there, done that, got the Tee shirt'  stories  ?

Could it be Clarence Mitchell  ? 
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Eleanor on May 26, 2013, 12:41:10 AM
This isn't even credible.  And people wonder why The Press should be gagged.

Whatever there is to do with this is already in the hands of Scotland Yard, and will have been for some considerable time.  Especially as we were all reading this about five years ago when The PJ were doing sweet b....r all about it.

Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: sadie on May 26, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
No Icabod.

It is my 'fault' that it is there.  I posted it as a bit of backing to Heris OP.  To fill it out a bit. 

Yep it is old stuff, but some may not have seen it  .... or may have forgotten it.

Nothing to do with SY or Clarrie >>>> just me 8**8:/:
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Chinagirl on May 26, 2013, 12:45:13 AM
Why should anyone be "leaking" these stories to the press?  As has been pointed out, these are old stories which are already on file, so they just have to be dug out and re-hashed.  Nothing to do with Scotland Yard, Clarence Mitchell or anyone outside the individual papers concerned.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: sadie on May 26, 2013, 12:47:04 AM
Just me

Sorry.  Seem to have caused a problem 8(8-))
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: John on May 26, 2013, 01:04:42 AM
I think you did the right thing in posting the original article Sadie because I had forgotten about it.  It looks like Peter has shot his own bolt by selling his story to the Mirror about Hewlett.  He is now under the spotlight but for all the wrong reasons.  Let's be honest about this, nobody who was involved in the abduction of Madeleine is going to stick their neck out and blame someone else.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 01:10:00 AM
Why should anyone be "leaking" these stories to the press?  As has been pointed out, these are old stories which are already on file, so they just have to be dug out and re-hashed.  Nothing to do with Scotland Yard, Clarence Mitchell or anyone outside the individual papers concerned.

But these rehashed stories are now being presented within the context of Operation Grange   ...  the same old stuff is being recycled with the intimation that it is 'new'  information uncovered by Scotland Yard

Where is that coming from ?
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 01:15:57 AM
Just me

Sorry.  Seem to have caused a problem 8(8-))

No no ...  not you sadie   (  yours  was a follow up post )   ...  I was refering to the original post by Heri,  which is a rehashed story being presented in the Mail as a  'breaking news'  story
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: John on May 26, 2013, 01:39:04 AM
They are rehashing old news because they have nothing else...zilch...nada...
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: sadie on May 26, 2013, 01:41:08 AM
Whilst I agree that much of it is old hat, certain parts I cannot recall having read before ... and I researched it all very thoroughly.

I never knew this bit
Quote
....Mr Verran apparently neglected to mention the disappearance of his own camper van within months of Madeleine’s disappearance, or the fact he had been in Portugal.
Those details, disclosed in documents held by the Royal British Legion, show he sought emergency funds from the organisation after claiming his van and all his possessions had been stolen.
The documents also reveal he travelled through Portugal....
.

I dont remember seeing that bit and a couple of other bits before





I feel a theory coming up @)(++(* 8(>(( 

No not really, but there is one connected with sightings, with Hewlett, Varren, the other british couple ?the Thompsons? and Morocco.

Maybe one day when things are quiet and if John has the time and patience with me to help with the maps.  But not yet
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Puffin on May 26, 2013, 08:01:16 AM
They are rehashing old news because they have nothing else...zilch...nada...
If you want to see exactly what the Mail is capable of, ie deliberate lies, misinformation, made up stories, and so on there is a book called Flat Earth News by Nick Davies.  I saw it mentioned on another forum, bought a copy and was gobsmacked at the whole chapter given over the the Mail and its antics.  There is a list of all the libel cases against them and the out of court settlements they have made.  So anything they print I discard immediately out of hand, they have a very bad reputation for distortion and downright deviousness.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: debunker on May 26, 2013, 08:06:44 AM
Why are these  'old'  stories being rehashed by the Daily Mail  ?

I do not believe that someone in Scotland Yard is leaking information to the Mail  ...  so soon after Leveson that is highly unlikely

So who  is  generating  these  'been there, done that, got the Tee shirt'  stories  ?

Could it be Clarence Mitchell  ?

Leveson clamped down on unauthorised leaking.

This could be authorised to put pressure on Portugal!
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: registrar on May 26, 2013, 03:06:42 PM
They are rehashing old news because they have nothing else...zilch...nada...
If you want to see exactly what the Mail is capable of, ie deliberate lies, misinformation, made up stories, and so on there is a book called Flat Earth News by Nick Davies.  I saw it mentioned on another forum, bought a copy and was gobsmacked at the whole chapter given over the the Mail and its antics.  There is a list of all the libel cases against them and the out of court settlements they have made.  So anything they print I discard immediately out of hand, they have a very bad reputation for distortion and downright deviousness.

Sounds a good read, off to Amazon to get a copy.

The Mail always had 'form', ponder this if you will:

“Associated Newspapers have always led the charge against the policies that confront racism and anti-semitism. It praised the Blackshirts in the 1930’s, and admits that as recently as the retirement party of the last editor of the Daily Mail, two of its staff dressed in Nazi uniforms and were not asked to leave.” The Guardian, 1st March 2006

“For politicians of Livingstone's generation and ideology, the Daily Mail is, as it were, a blue rag. They call it the "Forger's Gazette" because of the Labour-damaging fake "Zinoviev letter" in the 1920s. They refer constantly to the paper's soft line on Hitler in the 1930s and its infamous 1934 "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" headline.” The Guardian, 25th February 2006 “Newly released documents reveal how in the 1930s its (Daily Mail’s) treacherous proprietor heaped grovelling praise on Adolf Hilter and the Nazis, sparking calls from Jewish groups and MPs for the newspaper to say sorry. Daily Mail boss Lord Rothermere, grandfather of the current chairman, described his psychotic hero as “superhuman” and suggested Britain and Germany should unite to rule the world.” The Daily Express, 2nd April 2005

“The Daily Mail flirted with fascism in the 1930s.” The Guardian, 11th February 2005
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: ferryman on May 26, 2013, 03:21:02 PM
I'm reminded of a slightly off-topic anecdote from Britain's defeat of the Argentinians in the conflict over the Falkland Islands.

At the end of the conflict, the commander of the British forces invited the commander of the Argentinian forces to sign a treaty of (sic) unconditional surrender. 

The commander of the Argentine forces objected to the word unconditional.

So the commander of the British forces had the whole treaty torn up and re-written with the word unconditional omitted.

That small, but simple, act of diplomacy made not a jot of difference to the course of events, except that it helped to foster a spirit of harmony and cooperation between victor and vanquished that facilitated a smoother progression to final resolution of the dispute.

I think there is a great deal that could be learnt from that example in promoting cooperation between Portugal and Britain in attempts to finally get to the root of what happened to Madeleine.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 26, 2013, 03:34:26 PM
I'm reminded of a slightly off-topic anecdote from Britain's defeat of the Argentinians in the conflict over the Falkland Islands.

At the end of the conflict, the commander of the British forces invited the commander of the Argentinian forces to sign a treaty of (sic) unconditional surrender. 

The commander of the Argentine forces objected to the word unconditional.

So the commander of the British forces had the whole treaty torn up and re-written with the word unconditional omitted.

That small, but simple, act of diplomacy made not a jot of difference to the course of events, except that it helped to foster a spirit of harmony and cooperation between victor and vanquished that facilitated a smoother progression to final resolution of the dispute.

I think there is a great deal that could be learnt from that example in promoting cooperation between Portugal and Britain in attempts to finally get to the root of what happened to Madeleine.

Stupid war. Fortunately we have many things to do together other than fighting ...
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Puffin on May 26, 2013, 03:36:47 PM

Sounds a good read, off to Amazon to get a copy.

The Mail always had 'form', ponder this if you will:

“Associated Newspapers have always led the charge against the policies that confront racism and anti-semitism. It praised the Blackshirts in the 1930’s, and admits that as recently as the retirement party of the last editor of the Daily Mail, two of its staff dressed in Nazi uniforms and were not asked to leave.” The Guardian, 1st March 2006

“For politicians of Livingstone's generation and ideology, the Daily Mail is, as it were, a blue rag. They call it the "Forger's Gazette" because of the Labour-damaging fake "Zinoviev letter" in the 1920s. They refer constantly to the paper's soft line on Hitler in the 1930s and its infamous 1934 "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" headline.” The Guardian, 25th February 2006 “Newly released documents reveal how in the 1930s its (Daily Mail’s) treacherous proprietor heaped grovelling praise on Adolf Hilter and the Nazis, sparking calls from Jewish groups and MPs for the newspaper to say sorry. Daily Mail boss Lord Rothermere, grandfather of the current chairman, described his psychotic hero as “superhuman” and suggested Britain and Germany should unite to rule the world.” The Daily Express, 2nd April 2005

“The Daily Mail flirted with fascism in the 1930s.” The Guardian, 11th February 2005
It is a good read, and quite an insight into the secretive and often criminal world of the press barons and their minions, not just the Mail, but that rag gets a whole chapter to itself.  The writer was, or maybe still is, a journalist himself.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: registrar on May 26, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
It's endorsed by Humphrys AND Hislop - that makes it a must read

thanks for the rec.

quote:

"Important, vital, urgent" (Financial Times )

"Meticulous, fair-minded and utterly gripping" (Sam Leith Daily Telegraph )

"If you read newspapers, you MUST read this book" (John Humphrys )

"A must-read for anyone worried about journalism - which, on this analysis, should be everyone" (Ian Hislop )

"Powerful and timely...his analysis is fair, meticulously researched and fascinating" (Observer )
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: ferryman on May 26, 2013, 03:45:08 PM
Stupid war. Fortunately we have many things to do together other than fighting ...

I was commenting on diplomacy, not the war.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Carana on May 26, 2013, 04:17:27 PM
It is a good read, and quite an insight into the secretive and often criminal world of the press barons and their minions, not just the Mail, but that rag gets a whole chapter to itself.  The writer was, or maybe still is, a journalist himself.

Who do you mean, Puffin? Nick Davies? He's on my (rather short) list of excellent journalists.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Puffin on May 26, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
It's endorsed by Humphrys AND Hislop - that makes it a must read

thanks for the rec.

quote:

"Important, vital, urgent" (Financial Times )

"Meticulous, fair-minded and utterly gripping" (Sam Leith Daily Telegraph )

"If you read newspapers, you MUST read this book" (John Humphrys )

"A must-read for anyone worried about journalism - which, on this analysis, should be everyone" (Ian Hislop )

"Powerful and timely...his analysis is fair, meticulously researched and fascinating" (Observer )
  You are very welcome.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Carana on May 26, 2013, 04:41:07 PM
I was commenting on diplomacy, not the war.


Yes, that's how I understood your comment as well.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 04:51:30 PM
Leveson clamped down on unauthorised leaking.

This could be authorised to put pressure on Portugal!

They are not  'leaks'  though   ( authorised or otherwise ) 

They are old stories that appeared in the papers years ago

What is happening here is that they are  being presented as  'new'  information that has been uncovered by the Scotland Yard review   

Note the particular article quoted in the OP 

The  'source'  is said to be someone close to the McCanns whilst the Met and the Ministry of Defence refused to comment
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 26, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
Yes, that's how I understood your comment as well.

Yes, I'vo got it, ferryman, Carana ... I think so, diplomacy is the better way with Portuguese authorities ...

Just I remembered the stupid war ...
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: registrar on May 26, 2013, 04:59:46 PM
They are not  'leaks'  though   ( authorised or otherwise ) 

They are old stories that appeared in the papers years ago

What is happening here is that they are  being presented as  'new'  information that has been uncovered by the Scotland Yard review   

Note the particular article quoted in the OP 

The  'source'  is said to be someone close to the McCanns whilst the Met and the Ministry of Defence refused to comment

Quite,

I think what we lose sight of - that as internet posters on the case with fairly good memories - we know these stories go back in time.

The general public - white van man - have not taken such a keen interest.

To them Hewlett is news - and that's what papers sell - 'news'

Regurgitated news in this case
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Carana on May 26, 2013, 05:03:18 PM
They are not  'leaks'  though   ( authorised or otherwise ) 

They are old stories that appeared in the papers years ago

What is happening here is that they are  being presented as  'new'  information that has been uncovered by the Scotland Yard review   

Note the particular article quoted in the OP 

The  'source'  is said to be someone close to the McCanns whilst the Met and the Ministry of Defence refused to comment

It's May and her 10th birthday. Space will have been reserved in press calendars, particularly in the tabloids. They've got to fill it up with something.

Some of these leads haven't been followed through to elimination. Even your average hack can work that out.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: ferryman on May 26, 2013, 05:04:00 PM
Thanks, Heri.

I confess, I hadn't intended posting my comment on your thread, which was slightly off-topic to your OP, for which I apologise.
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 26, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
They are not  'leaks'  though   ( authorised or otherwise ) 

They are old stories that appeared in the papers years ago

What is happening here is that they are  being presented as  'new'  information that has been uncovered by the Scotland Yard review   

Note the particular article quoted in the OP 

The  'source'  is said to be someone close to the McCanns whilst the Met and the Ministry of Defence refused to comment

maybe it is best to direct the question at the papers who are publishing them and report back?
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 26, 2013, 05:46:36 PM
Thanks, Heri.

I confess, I hadn't intended posting my comment on your thread, which was slightly off-topic to your OP, for which I apologise.

All OK ferryman  ?{)(**
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 06:01:42 PM
It's May and her 10th birthday. Space will have been reserved in press calendars, particularly in the tabloids. They've got to fill it up with something.

Some of these leads haven't been followed through to elimination. Even your average hack can work that out.

Yes, I understand that there are times when we can expect more than usual press coverage  (  Madeleine's birthday for instance )

The point I am making,  though,  is that the old stories being rehashed at the moment have a common theme   ...  they are being 'spun'  to suggest Scotland Yard have uncovered new leads that where previously unknown

This particular story  ( quoted in the OP )   has been confirmed by a source 'close to the McCanns'  as being 'new' information that they considered a  'development'   

The reader is left with the impression that Scotland Yard have uncovered evidence that the McCanns were previously unaware of  ...  when, in reality, they  ( and we )  have been aware of this information for years
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 26, 2013, 06:06:13 PM
Yes, I understand that there are times when we can expect more than usual press coverage  (  Madeleine's birthday for instance )

The point I am making,  though,  is that the old stories being rehashed at the moment have a common theme   ...  they are being 'spun'  to suggest Scotland Yard have uncovered new leads that where previously unknown

This particular story  ( quoted in the OP )   has been confirmed by a source 'close to the McCanns'  as being 'new' information that they considered a  'development'   

The reader is left with the impression that Scotland Yard have uncovered evidence that the McCanns were previously unaware of  ...  when, in reality, they  ( and we )  have been aware of this information for years

ask the papers involved why they do it.

Is that difficult for you to understand?

I look forward to your report back
Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 07:16:00 PM
ask the papers involved why they do it.

Is that difficult for you to understand?

I look forward to your report back

I am more interested in why a  'source close to the McCanns'  has briefed this newspaper and given the impression that  information that has been in the public domain for years has only now been uncovered by Scotland Yard  ...  and that the McCanns had been previously unaware of it
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Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 26, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
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I am more interested in why a  'source close to the McCanns'  has briefed this newspaper and given the impression that  information that has been in the public domain for years has only now been uncovered by Scotland Yard  ...  and that the McCanns had been previously unaware of it

you really don't have a clue do you.

Try asking the papers and report back rather than gusessing.
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Post by: Carana on May 26, 2013, 07:20:30 PM


I am more interested in why a  'source close to the McCanns'  has briefed this newspaper and given the impression that  information that has been in the public domain for years has only now been uncovered by Scotland Yard  ...  and that the McCanns had been previously unaware of it

No idea. It wouldn't be the first time that "sources" have been invented... and it doesn't take much to check through a few files. There may not have been anything new at all.
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Post by: icabodcrane on May 26, 2013, 11:32:22 PM

No idea. It wouldn't be the first time that "sources" have been invented... and it doesn't take much to check through a few files. There may not have been anything new at all.

I really don't think  ( post Leveson )  that newspapers would  'invent'  sources and claim they were  'close to the McCanns'   (  I mean, how could they support that if challenged by the McCanns and Carter Ruck ? )

I am inclined to think the  'source close to McCanns'   really  did    give this  ( old, dressed up as new )  information to the newspaper

...  what baffles me is  why  they did

Title: Re: White van ...
Post by: Benice on May 27, 2013, 08:59:48 AM

I really don't think  ( post Leveson )  that newspapers would  'invent'  sources and claim they were  'close to the McCanns'   (  I mean, how could they support that if challenged by the McCanns and Carter Ruck ? )

I am inclined to think the  'source close to McCanns'   really  did    give this  ( old, dressed up as new )  information to the newspaper

...  what baffles me is  why  they did

I don't believe this 'source' ever existed.  It's a ploy universally used by newspapers when they want to print an article which they know will sell newspapers - but have no legitimate source to attach it to.    They've been doing it for years.    Whenever I read... ''a source close too...''  I know to treat what comes next with a very large pinch of salt.


       

     

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Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:47:27 AM
Exactly what I do too, I look at the source they claim, there's a vast difference between quoting documented sources & named people from dragging up the old "sources close to".






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Post by: John on December 21, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
This board reinstated
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Post by: Carana on December 21, 2013, 01:31:13 PM
This board reinstated

Where?