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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: muratfan on May 27, 2013, 11:43:45 PM

Title: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: muratfan on May 27, 2013, 11:43:45 PM
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Expect screeches from the ones who hate
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: John on May 27, 2013, 11:51:54 PM
Can you find any more information about this?
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Mrs. B on May 28, 2013, 12:04:30 AM
Hmmm... the Daily Star. I'm not getting my hopes up...
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
It is not Kate and Gerry.

The front page snippet reads:

"Maddie Suspects Named

Police have named three men as "persons of interest" in the case of Missing Maddie McCann.  Two of them, including a man who killed a girl aged five, have died since she vanished in 2007.

Full story: Page 9"

Von Aesch, Hewlett and Verran I suspect. Just more rehashing of the same story.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 12:07:07 AM
page 9 of The Star!!!
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 12:07:48 AM
the dreaded Mitchell again eh

where's faith when you want a source?
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Mrs. B on May 28, 2013, 12:13:55 AM
And more tosh and lies oh well had six years of it nothing new, someones looking for a patay, oh dear, how sad are they, nite nite

define "they"

Kudos to you for even getting that, I was still trying to figure out what it meant.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 12:17:53 AM
And more tosh and lies oh well had six years of it nothing new, someones looking for a patay, oh dear, how sad are they, nite nite

define "they"

Only sad one I know posted the first quote
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 28, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
They will rehash just about anything to sell newspapers.  How predictable.   8(8-))
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 12:32:07 AM
Or is it news that the PJ should have interviewed these people first but didn't
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:33:46 AM
Or is it news that the PJ should have interviewed these people first but didn't

I think that is at least in part the aim of these latest reports.

They are making it very clear that there were appalling failings in the police response which Amaral personally co-ordinated. Were he a serving UK policeman I would suggest that the failings are so serious that he would almost certainly be disciplined for them.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on May 28, 2013, 12:46:05 AM
It is a rehash.

MADDIE POLICE NAME PAEDOS
 

Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz

ABOVE: Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz


“

I am convinced that my little girl was not the only one

”


Ylenia's mum


28th May 2013


By Jerry Lawton

 

THREE paedophiles thought to have been in Portugal when Madeleine McCann vanished are on a list of suspects drawn up by British police.

 
One is thought to have killed a girl in his native Switzerland two months after Madeleine disappeared.

 Urs Hans von Aesch, 67, suspected of poisoning and abusing Ylenia Lenhard, five, who resembled Maddie, shot himself dead in 2007.

 Interpol twice contacted Portuguese police about him but they did not act.

 Officers from Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange, who have spent two years reviewing the police probe, say von Aesch is one of a number of “persons of interest” who should be investigated.

 They have established he had been living in Spain with his wife. Border records show he re-entered Switzerland on July 10, 2007, in a white van which he used to abduct Ylenia.

 Her mother Charlotte said: “I am convinced that my little girl was not the only one.’’

Two known child abusers who were in the Algarve at the time have not been eliminated from inquiries. One of them is a Brit, Raymond Hewlett, 64, who was living just an hour’s drive from where Madeleine vanished.

 He died in 2010. The second, who is not British, has not been named.

 Detectives are examining phone traffic in the resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, when three-year-old Madeleine disappeared.

 Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, head of Scotland Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, revealed the UK team’s inquiries had unearthed “a lot of people who could be explored further if only to be eliminated”.

 Urs Hans von Aesch had a white van ...  8(>((
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Benice on May 28, 2013, 07:50:57 AM
Or is it news that the PJ should have interviewed these people first but didn't

I think that is at least in part the aim of these latest reports.

They are making it very clear that there were appalling failings in the police response which Amaral personally co-ordinated. Were he a serving UK policeman I would suggest that the failings are so serious that he would almost certainly be disciplined for them.

Agreed.     Except that in the UK he would not have been allowed to be in charge of a pencil sharpener  - let alone ANOTHER case of a missing child - as he would have been suspended from duty as soon as he was made a suspect in the cover up of the torture of a defenceless woman, whilst in his custody.    I will never understand why the PJ authorities allowed him anywhere near the case, let alone to actually lead the investigation. 


Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Chinagirl on May 28, 2013, 08:52:32 AM
Or is it news that the PJ should have interviewed these people first but didn't

I think that is at least in part the aim of these latest reports.

They are making it very clear that there were appalling failings in the police response which Amaral personally co-ordinated. Were he a serving UK policeman I would suggest that the failings are so serious that he would almost certainly be disciplined for them.

Agreed.     Except that in the UK he would not have been allowed to be in charge of a pencil sharpener  - let alone ANOTHER case of a missing child - as he would have been suspended from duty as soon as he was made a suspect in the cover up of the torture of a defenceless woman, whilst in his custody.    I will never understand why the PJ authorities allowed him anywhere near the case, let alone to actually lead the investigation.

Indeed - and he made yet another stuff-up of this missing child investigation, all be it without the torture this time ....
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Puffin on May 28, 2013, 09:13:05 AM
Or is it news that the PJ should have interviewed these people first but didn't

I think that is at least in part the aim of these latest reports.

They are making it very clear that there were appalling failings in the police response which Amaral personally co-ordinated. Were he a serving UK policeman I would suggest that the failings are so serious that he would almost certainly be disciplined for them.

Agreed.     Except that in the UK he would not have been allowed to be in charge of a pencil sharpener  - let alone ANOTHER case of a missing child - as he would have been suspended from duty as soon as he was made a suspect in the cover up of the torture of a defenceless woman, whilst in his custody.    I will never understand why the PJ authorities allowed him anywhere near the case, let alone to actually lead the investigation.

Indeed - and he made yet another stuff-up of this missing child investigation, all be it without the torture this time ....
  The problem is not the Portuguese people, or even the government but the police and security agencies' mindset, the same as can be seen in most countries that have moved from totalitarian regimes to democracies.  The last bastion of the 'old ways' is nearly always those who administer the judicial rules, we have seen the rampant corruption in Russia to name one former one party state.  The perks etc that were available in the Salazar years for those who toed the party line are now all but gone, but what still remains is the power the police have  over everyone.  Until the government clamps down on them they will go on as they have in the past.     Just my take on this.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 10:34:20 PM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 10:36:19 PM
Suspects named is such a crock hewlett and the austrian guy,,,what a crock, and how can anyone interview them they are dead.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
If the PJ were not so blinded by following one route, then they maybe would have got the suspect
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
Early days yet.

They have to eliminate people and they aren't going to tell us who

Are they?
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Angelo222 on May 28, 2013, 10:47:15 PM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?

It refers to another story Redblossom.  It is unrelated to the McCann article, just a bit of sensationalism by the Star to get you to buy the paper.
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?

It refers to another story Redblossom.  It is unrelated to the McCann article, just a bit of sensationalism by the Star to get you to buy the paper.

Ok thanks Angelo, nite now
 8((()*/
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: Angelo222 on May 29, 2013, 12:12:35 AM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?

It refers to another story Redblossom.  It is unrelated to the McCann article, just a bit of sensationalism by the Star to get you to buy the paper.

Ok thanks Angelo, nite now
 8((()*/
Nite nite Red...now remember what i told you!!!  8(0(*
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: sadie on May 29, 2013, 12:16:54 AM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?

It refers to another story Redblossom.  It is unrelated to the McCann article, just a bit of sensationalism by the Star to get you to buy the paper.

Ok thanks Angelo, nite now
 8((()*/
Nite nite Red...now remember what i told you!!!  8(0(*

Ello Ello Ello, what's going on ere? 8(>((
Title: Re: Madeleine McCann ....Suspects NAMED
Post by: John on May 29, 2013, 12:21:59 AM
What does the header shame its alll over mean?

It refers to another story Redblossom.  It is unrelated to the McCann article, just a bit of sensationalism by the Star to get you to buy the paper.

Ok thanks Angelo, nite now
 8((()*/
Nite nite Red...now remember what i told you!!!  8(0(*

Ello Ello Ello, what's going on ere? 8(>((

 @)(++(* 8@??)(   It makes a change from bickering.