Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Redblossom on August 01, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
Title: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on August 01, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
This one starts in Portuguese but there is a long Birch speaking in English piece after a short while
and kate mccanns reaction from 6.50
I know this is old, but I came across it whilst looking for something, and at the time, didnt really pay any attention, but today I watched the videos.
Caveat was inserted in the second video that he doesnt think Murat was involved
Questions:
1) Where did he get the idea in the first place that Madeleine could be buried in Murats garden?
2) Why does he state she died and she was buried there on May 3, and who by? How the hell could he know?
3) How did the Murats not notice someone for four days in their back garden utilising equipment, which surely couldnt have been silent! Or notice x person filming it as well
4) If he found shifts in the soil underground, how did he know it was not any possible phenomenon apart from a burial of a human?
5) How could he say that it was Madeleine? As, eg, distinct from a pet being buried and resulting in alledged changes
6) Mark Harrison oversaw GPR equipment and cadaver dogs utilised in Murats villa so how come they didnt pick anything up?
7) Did he really spend 50000 dollars or whatever it was to do all this?
8) Is he dumb?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 01, 2013, 05:07:54 PM
LOL, Birch is a 24-carat fool! Thanks Redblossom for the vids. Birch is just a total ... DICK!! @)(++(*
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on August 01, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
LOL, Birch is a 24-carat fool! Thanks Redblossom for the vids. Birch is just a total ... DICK!! @)(++(*
I just find the whole thing bizarre and wondered if anyone had any idea about some of those questions if they had read any of his or other blogs, that might have answered them, anyway
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: stephen25000 on August 01, 2013, 06:24:20 PM
Where did they dig up this idiot Birch ? 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 01, 2013, 06:36:45 PM
I just find the whole thing bizarre and wondered if anyone had any idea about some of those questions if they had read any of his or other blogs, that might have answered them, anyway
Birch is an attention-seeking joke. I understand that he was embraced at Haverns until he started insulting Amaral!
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: DCI on August 01, 2013, 07:40:43 PM
But according to Haverns members area, he still rings Bennett now and again.
LOL! can you imagine that phone conversation.... A contest as to who would be bored to death the first! Two massive egos trying to further their own agendas on the back of a missing child, like two bloated maggots.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 01, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
He had to insult Amaral to make his ridiculous theory work. But who cares. They are both wrong.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on August 01, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
This thread is about Birches ideas actions and statements, not Amarl or Bennett who had nothing to do with this, pls refrain from infestating threads with the hate and backslapping towards those two individuals ta, start a new thread 8((()*/
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 01, 2013, 08:26:26 PM
LOL! Delicious isn't it... Bennett reduced to riding the streets of Harlow on a bike delivering papers to try and meet his nonthly £125 Carter Ruck bill... hoping to get a photo but it may take a few days.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on August 01, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
I suppose that he may have one redeeming characteristic: virtually no one - on either side of the fence - appears to find him credible.
A unifying factor of sorts.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: AnneGuedes on August 01, 2013, 10:30:49 PM
The only positive thing I can say is that I was impressed with his honesty about his reasons for starting the endeavour, he wanted 'world wide fame'.
That's it. The rest just made me cringe.
There was huge reward offered initially, that & the chance for world wide fame. I admire his honesty & as he said his motivation changed.
Why don't they (Gov, Murat etc) just allow the dig? It wouldn't take long or be costly. Just prove him wrong & shut him up. What can they be afraid of?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Cariad on December 05, 2013, 01:05:39 PM
There was huge reward offered initially, that & the chance for world wide fame. I admire his honesty & as he said his motivation changed.
Why don't they (Gov, Murat etc) just allow the dig? It wouldn't take long or be costly. Just prove him wrong & shut him up. What can they be afraid of?
I agree with this. If it were me, I'd let him dig.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 05, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
For those of you who don't have 45 mins to spare on Mr Birch, his main theory is expounded from around 17:00 in the documentary (after he describes his 'religious journey' in pursuing this case).
He claims that DNA evidence was removed from Madeleine's corpse and planted above one of the wheels in the McCann's car in order to deflect attention away from Robert Murat and onto Gerry McCann. Files relating to the episode were passed from Portuguese authorities on to Theresa May, who is concealing them from the public.
He gives no actual explanation as to how the DNA was planted and by whom, and what in general was supposed to have happened on May 3rd, citing the issue of libel.
He speaks at length about diplomatic relations in the EU and how he believes these to be a factor in the case. But the main thesis is as above.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 05, 2013, 07:53:47 PM
...quote deleted ...
hes actually put out a disclaimer in one of his videos that he doesnt think either the mccanns or murat were involved, I dont thnk Ive ever seen anything where he intimates who he does thnk was involved
The man makes little sense to me...I have no idea why in hs latest video he said Tanner saw a rasta man ??? and 4 days later?? identified Murat who was clean shaven etc. Both false. He then says before Madeleine was buried on the evening of May 3, the perpetrator took some of her dna to plant it in the car that the Mccanns would hire three weeks later...in order to deflect attention from Murat....how did he know Murat would become a suspect? Or the Mccanns wouldhire a car? At that time?.. he has got so many facts wrong, and his theories just dont gel, shame hes spent all that money lol, obviously has more of it than sense..oh well all part of lifes rich tapestry.....even the presenter furrowed her brow one too many times
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 05, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
I tried to watch 5 minutes of the video but couldn't. He hasn't got a clue by the sounds of it. Buried under Murat's drive 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 08:18:48 PM
I tried to watch 5 minutes of the video but couldn't. He hasn't got a clue by the sounds of it. Buried under Murat's drive 8-)(--)
Try watching again before dismissing him as clueless without hearing his reasons for his theory, or here to read a version... apologies, it's a blog http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
His theory could be proved wrong (or right) in next to no time for no significant cost, The very fact that no one will allow it is enough to make me question why.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 05, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Try watching again before dismissing him as clueless without hearing his reasons for his theory, or here to read a version... apologies, it's a blog http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
His theory could be proved wrong (or right) in next to no time for no significant cost, The very fact that no one will allow it is enough to make me question why.
What gave him the idea Maddie was buried there in the first place? And on May 3? Theres too many gaps in his story for me....
You have a point, if it were me I would say dig the place up you idiot....and then shut up....then again, he is not PJ or SY or anyone remotely like that...if some nutter said youhad a girls body buried in your garden would you let him dig? Especially when he claimed he broke in night after night and ran his lawnmover all over the place....if the police asked me I might say ok
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
What gave him the idea Maddie was buried there in the first place? And on May 3? Theres too many gaps in his story for me....
You have a point, if it were me I would say dig the place up you idiot....and then shut up....then again, he is not PJ or SY or anyone remotely like that...if some nutter said youhad a girls body buried in your garden would you let him dig? Especially when he claimed he broke in night after night and ran his lawnmover all over the place....if the police asked me I might say ok
Yep if the police asked but why won't they ask?
Birch would probably pay & conduct the dig himself.
"What gave him the idea Maddie was buried there in the first place? And on May 3?" http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 05, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
I think there were rumours that Gerry was seen by Murat's in the first searches from those missing statements (Raj/Berry) but how would people know?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 05, 2013, 08:43:02 PM
Birch would probably pay & conduct the dig himself.
"What gave him the idea Maddie was buried there in the first place? And on May 3?" http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
I imagine the police dont ask because theyve looked at the *evidence* from Birch and seen nothing worthy? I mean lets face it the Pj spent thousands of man hours chasing up ridiculous leads including psychic ones, oh yes, many of which Gerry provided them with! when they were investigating...if they thought there was anything to this dont you think thry would have done something? I mean seriously.....
I looked at the link and still couldnt see why Birch got the idea Maddie was buried there
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 08:43:02 PM
Is he that very different from the armchair detectives here who truly believe they know better than the legal authorities about what really happened.
Fantasists all!
Well he spent a load of his own time & money investigating, travelled all the way to Luz and got his hoover out, had contact with the Portuguese authorities and the British police.
So yes I'd say he is quite different.
And those who believe there was an abductor (or even 2) , are they not fantasists?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Rogerandout on December 05, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
Well he spent a load of his own time & money investigating, travelled all the way to Luz and got his hoover out, had contact with the Portuguese authorities and the British police.
So yes I'd say he is quite different.
And those who believe there was an abductor (or even 2) , are they not fantasists?
Agreed. I have never said there was an abductor. All I have said is that it is logically impossible to prove the falsity of abduction- it remains a possibility.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Agreed. I have never said there was an abductor. All I have said is that it is logically impossible to prove the falsity of abduction- it remains a possibility.
It's nice to agree for a change, I never thought it possible.
For the record I'm not a firm Birch believer, but I've read his reasoning & don't think it should be ruled out without consideration.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 05, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
The dogs solved this case 6 years ago. It's there to be proved by the ones in charge. I can try and connect the rest through discrepancies in the statements and phone pings and possible missing bag >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 05, 2013, 09:02:07 PM
The dogs solved this case 6 years ago. It's there to be proved by the ones in charge. I can try and connect the rest through discrepancies in the statements and phone pings and possible missing bag >@@(*&)
sometimes justice takes a long time........
Too long sometimes
Im still waiting for the long list where cadaver dogs have alerted and someones turned up alive..... >@@(*&)
it seems to be non existant
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 09:04:20 PM
hes actually put out a disclaimer in one of his videos that he doesnt think either the mccanns or murat were involved, I dont thnk Ive ever seen anything where he intimates who he does thnk was involved
The man makes little sense to me...I have no idea why in hs latest video he said Tanner saw a rasta man ??? and 4 days later?? identified Murat who was clean shaven etc. Both false. He then says before Madeleine was buried on the evening of May 3, the perpetrator took some of her dna to plant it in the car that the Mccanns would hire three weeks later...in order to deflect attention from Murat....how did he know Murat would become a suspect? Or the Mccanns wouldhire a car? At that time?.. he has got so many facts wrong, and his theories just dont gel, shame hes spent all that money lol, obviously has more of it than sense..oh well all part of lifes rich tapestry.....even the presenter furrowed her brow one too many times
"He then says before Madeleine was buried on the evening of May 3, the perpetrator took some of her dna to plant it in the car that the Mccanns would hire three weeks later...in order to deflect attention from Murat....how did he know Murat would become a suspect?"
No he believes the PJ discovered her body & they planted her dna in the hire car to force confession from the McCanns because Murat was being framed.
Read the Spivey link. It's a long read but it explains more than the interview does. http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 05, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
I will read it later but Smithman is the main suspect in this case and he didn't use a getaway car.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 05, 2013, 09:47:06 PM
"He then says before Madeleine was buried on the evening of May 3, the perpetrator took some of her dna to plant it in the car that the Mccanns would hire three weeks later...in order to deflect attention from Murat....how did he know Murat would become a suspect?"
No he believes the PJ discovered her body & they planted her dna in the hire car to force confession from the McCanns because Murat was being framed.
Read the Spivey link. It's a long read but it explains more than the interview does. http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/digging-for-madeleine/
We will have to agree to disagree here WS....I cant imagine the Pj and others who were scurrying around like hell trying to solve the crime dug up Madeleine out of Murats garden when was it middle may? and nicked her dna and waited to plant it in the Mccanns car that they didnt have at the time etc etc and thenwhat? Buried her again? For Birch to find it sigh with his equipment every night? Without the murats or their dogs knowing anyone had broken in and was doing work there?
Sorry, really sorry.....it just does not compute with me at any level
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 05, 2013, 10:49:28 PM
We will have to agree to disagree here WS....I cant imagine the Pj and others who were scurrying around like hell trying to solve the crime dug up Madeleine out of Murats garden when was it middle may? and nicked her dna and waited to plant it in the Mccanns car that they didnt have at the time etc etc and thenwhat? Buried her again? For Birch to find it sigh with his equipment every night? Without the murats or their dogs knowing anyone had broken in and was doing work there?
Sorry, really sorry.....it just does not compute with me at any level
Suppose they found her later than may but didn't fully exhume on the basis that it would condemn Murat who for whatever reason they knew was innocent, so at that point they remove a sample & then place it in the car...
The problem I have with that part of the theory is Eddies alert to the hire car, unless that was cross contamination, a false alert or pork chops.
In any event I don't fully believe his theory, however until someone digs I will have my doubt as to why not.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 06, 2013, 06:19:56 AM
We will have to agree to disagree here WS....I cant imagine the Pj and others who were scurrying around like hell trying to solve the crime dug up Madeleine out of Murats garden when was it middle may? and nicked her dna and waited to plant it in the Mccanns car that they didnt have at the time etc etc and thenwhat? Buried her again? For Birch to find it sigh with his equipment every night? Without the murats or their dogs knowing anyone had broken in and was doing work there?
Sorry, really sorry.....it just does not compute with me at any level
Well Birch seemed to get in with his magnificent penetrator* one dark evening, without anyone seeming to notice.
*'one of the best machines in the world' - Stephen Birch
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: colombosstogey on December 06, 2013, 06:55:00 AM
Well Birch seemed to get in with his magnificent penetrator* one dark evening, without anyone seeming to notice.
*'one of the best machines in the world' - Stephen Birch
LOL. I mean first off. How was the body buried under the driveway without anyone noticing? He said himself there was a large mound of rubble which made it impossible for the police to have used a ground penetrating radar in the Murats garden. So does that mean there was already a huge hole?
I mean just how was the body buried?
These machines are quite large usually about the size of a lawn mower, hardly easy to negotiate over a fence.
The fact he did it ILLEGALLY and admitted it on the Peoples Voice programme made me smile.
So we are to believe the rogue coppers dug up the body, used the DNA to frame the McCanns to protect Murat.
Jeez I am in the twighlight zone.
It reads like someone on a bad mushroom hallucination lol....
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: colombosstogey on December 06, 2013, 06:59:09 AM
We will have to agree to disagree here WS....I cant imagine the Pj and others who were scurrying around like hell trying to solve the crime dug up Madeleine out of Murats garden when was it middle may? and nicked her dna and waited to plant it in the Mccanns car that they didnt have at the time etc etc and thenwhat? Buried her again? For Birch to find it sigh with his equipment every night? Without the murats or their dogs knowing anyone had broken in and was doing work there?
Sorry, really sorry.....it just does not compute with me at any level
Me neither.
There was something though just after the child went missing. I found a small article that a body wrapped in plastic material was found in an underwater cavern/cave near Heulva. I was quite excited about it, and waited days for more information.
I found nothing. Not one word anywhere. It was there though really I know i never dreamt it... Probably nothing to do with the case, but it was odd it just disappeared. I had it on my laptop on bookmark but the stupid thing overtime zapped and I lost everything.
I oftened wondered who it was.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Angelo222 on December 06, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
I find Birch's claims to be ludicrous and frankly laughable. As if some crackpot is going to abduct a child from a nearby apartment, murder her and then bury her under his driveway all in the space of half an hour. Just out of interest has Robert Murat ever sued this nutter for his malicious allegations against him??
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 06, 2013, 10:15:53 AM
I find Birch's claims to be ludicrous and frankly laughable. As if some crackpot is going to abduct a child from a nearby apartment, murder her and then bury her under his driveway. Just out of interest has Robert Murat ever sued this nutter for his malicious allegations against him??
"As if some crackpot is going to abduct a child from a nearby apartment, murder her and then bury her under his driveway."
Is not the Birch theory. He doesn't believe there was an abductor, he doesn't suspect Murat.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pegasus on December 06, 2013, 10:56:29 AM
This amateur "investigator"s actions are not to my moral taste. The theory is ridiculous (for a start it ignores the obvious fact that Eddie would certainly have signalled over the spot he fabricates). The worst thing is the attack on an innocent person who has already suffered huge amounts of totally unjustified negative publicity yet shown remarkable strength in that situation. This armchair "investigator" should politely restrain himself to his armchair IMO.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: stephen25000 on December 06, 2013, 11:26:26 AM
My sentiments entirely and applicable to most of the posters here:
These amateur "investigator"s actions are not to my moral taste. Their theories are ridiculous. The worst thing is the attack on an innocent people who have already suffered huge amounts of totally unjustified negative publicity yet shown remarkable strength in that situation. This armchair "investigators" should politely restrain themselves to their armchairs.
Such pretentious arrogance once again.
'Innocent people'
The same people who placed their children at risk,. merely to go out wining and dining with their associates, night after night.
You truly require a moral compass, and stop preaching to others after the way you have behaved.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pegasus on December 06, 2013, 11:29:32 AM
One thing that makes this Birch thing much worse than words on forums, is the physical intrusion.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Angelo222 on December 06, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
There is no reason why the Murat driveway cannot be excavated. The PJ could do it tomorrow if they wanted. Point is there is nothing to justify such an excavation.
On the other hand, if I were Robert Murat I would arrange to have it dug up under the auspices of the Portuguese police and then sue Birch for trespass etc...
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 06, 2013, 12:56:27 PM
There was something though just after the child went missing. I found a small article that a body wrapped in plastic material was found in an underwater cavern/cave near Heulva. I was quite excited about it, and waited days for more information.
I found nothing. Not one word anywhere. It was there though really I know i never dreamt it... Probably nothing to do with the case, but it was odd it just disappeared. I had it on my laptop on bookmark but the stupid thing overtime zapped and I lost everything.
I oftened wondered who it was.
It was an adult male, I remember it, got caught when swimming by over strong currents
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 06, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
There is no reason why the Murat driveway cannot be excavated. The PJ could do it tomorrow if they wanted. Point is there is nothing to justify such an excavation.
On the other hand, if I were Robert Murat I would arrange to have it dug up under the auspices of the Portuguese police and then sue Birch for trespass etc...
According to one of the links posted by WS earlier, Murat has agreed recently in theory with provisos, well, according to Birch. Not that I would take his word for anythng much. The more I listen to him and read what he has written, the more I thnk he is an utter fruitcase. @)(++(*
Eta link http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/murat-agrees-to-madeleine-dig/
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: colombosstogey on December 06, 2013, 01:19:29 PM
There is no reason why the Murat driveway cannot be excavated. The PJ could do it tomorrow if they wanted. Point is there is nothing to justify such an excavation.
On the other hand, if I were Robert Murat I would arrange to have it dug up under the auspices of the Portuguese police and then sue Birch for trespass etc...
Yes i thought that myself, then thinking about it when will it end?
It never ends for Murat, and perhaps he just wants no more of it, i cant say I blame him.
I would expect there have been things going on we are not privvy too perhaps.
I cant imagine the child is buried there, i still dont understand how anyone could do that without someone noticing like Mrs Murat for example.....
No I think i would take the 5th amendment if I was Murat too. Its time to move on for him perhaps. Its just my thoughts but I really do see where your coming from.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Luz on December 06, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
There is no reason why the Murat driveway cannot be excavated. The PJ could do it tomorrow if they wanted. Point is there is nothing to justify such an excavation.
On the other hand, if I were Robert Murat I would arrange to have it dug up under the auspices of the Portuguese police and then sue Birch for trespass etc...
If you were Murat's mother and had your house totally scrutinized in 2007, and your garden digged and georadared by a team of 20 people (some of which were certified scientists from Aveiro University), and dogs sniffing every corner of your place, would you subject yourself to a whim by a confessed transgressor that had invaded your property without asking your permission.
There are limits for a person's tolerance. Murat was fully investigated, the McCann & friends were not, it's time the batteries point to the right direction.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 07, 2013, 03:30:36 AM
I agree, Luz.
And if it's not advisable to answer police questions without risk of incrimination, I certainly wouldn't invite police to dig up my driveway.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: colombosstogey on December 07, 2013, 06:13:21 AM
If you were Murat's mother and had your house totally scrutinized in 2007, and your garden digged and georadared by a team of 20 people (some of which were certified scientists from Aveiro University), and dogs sniffing every corner of your place, would you subject yourself to a whim by a confessed transgressor that had invaded your property without asking your permission.
There are limits for a person's tolerance. Murat was fully investigated, the McCann & friends were not, it's time the batteries point to the right direction.
Great post again Luz. Yes I totally agree. Enough is enough for Murats.
I dont quite know where this Stephen Birch fits in or why he is doing what he is doing, but when i listened to what he had to say 30 minutes of it nearly on The Peoples Voice, he started sort of ok, then transcended.....into garbage sadly. Accusing the police of holding the body to use the DNA to stitch up the McCanns....then i thought hang on a minute what a great way of doing a bit of advertising for the McCanns again lol....DNA....PJ......STITCH UP MCCANNS with planted SCENT of the child.
Then i realised why he was given air time.... 8(>((
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Cariad on December 07, 2013, 08:48:20 AM
If you were Murat's mother and had your house totally scrutinized in 2007, and your garden digged and georadared by a team of 20 people (some of which were certified scientists from Aveiro University), and dogs sniffing every corner of your place, would you subject yourself to a whim by a confessed transgressor that had invaded your property without asking your permission.
There are limits for a person's tolerance. Murat was fully investigated, the McCann & friends were not, it's time the batteries point to the right direction.
I hadn't considered that it's actually Jenny Murat's property (which is terrible of me really) She's not a young woman anyone. Perhaps she just desires some peace.
It does put it a different slant on it.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 07, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
I hadn't considered that it's actually Jenny Murat's property (which is terrible of me really) She's not a young woman anyone. Perhaps she just desires some peace.
It does put it a different slant on it.
Yes, it just makes him more of a shitbag than he already is.....
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 07, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
If police had good enough reason to believe that there was something of substance to Mr Birch's claims, they would get a warrant - irrespective of poor old Mrs Murat's feelings.
Of course Birch claims that the PJ have something to hide.
Does anyone happen to know, if SY had reason at this point to search the Murat's property - or any property in PdL - how would they go about this legally? If the PJ or residents were unhelpful for whatever reason, would there be anything they could do?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Redblossom on December 07, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
If police had good enough reason to believe that there was something of substance to Mr Birch's claims, they would get a warrant - irrespective of poor old Mrs Murat's feelings.
Of course Birch claims that the PJ have something to hide.
Does anyone happen to know, if SY had reason at this point to search the Murat's property - or any property in PdL - how would they go about this legally? If the PJ or residents were unhelpful for whatever reason, would there be anything they could do?
I dont know the answer to that, maybe one of the posters more au fait with these matters can explain, perhaps this goes a little way in explaining
The British authorities sent a letter of request to the Portuguese for assistance, what the terms and details are I have no idea.....in any case...I doubt SY just like the PJ would have any good reason to dig up the Murat family garden based on the lunatics "evidence"
Besides, the cadaver dog went all over the place in 2007, his abilities in detecting a scent of death were up to a metre underground through concrete and this joker says Madeleine is buried a few inches down...and penetrating radar equipment was used as well back then.....
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 07, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
The British authorities sent a letter of request to the Portuguese for assistance, what the terms and details are I have no idea.....in any case...I doubt SY just like the PJ would have any good reason to dig up the Murat family garden based on the lunatics "evidence"
Besides, the cadaver dog went all over the place in 2007, his abilities in detecting a scent of death were up to a metre underground through concrete and this joker says Madeleine is buried a few inches down...and penetrating radar equipment was used as well back then.....
I agree, Red, that SY probably have no reason to dig up Murat's property. And even if they would be tempted to do so even if only in order to rule his theory out, it would be bad PR for them to be seen to act on the whimsy of a Tom Dick or Harry coming along with a theory out of nowhere. It would make SY look weak, and could also give the impression they had nothing better to work with. So I don't think we'll see much movement on the Birch score.
The issue is broader than Birch, however, because SY could easily - and hopefully will - come up with new information or leads as part of their ongoing inquiry, that may need the assistance of PdL residents in following up. What powers would SY actually have in persuading Portuguese residents to co-operate with them if necessary? Could they arrange search warrants, for example, if the home owner objected to co-operating with them? How do these things actually work?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
I hadn't considered that it's actually Jenny Murat's property (which is terrible of me really) She's not a young woman anyone. Perhaps she just desires some peace.
It does put it a different slant on it.
I think birch is another carpetbagger...lets say he got permission to dig up murats drive...he would then try and sell tv rights...IMO
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Cariad on December 07, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
Agreed. He's in it for himself. I'd completely forgotten that the property he was trespassing on was actually Jenny Murats!
She's not young. I hope she didn't feel too intimidated.
Not a very nice thing to do. Completely self-serving person. He complains about all the money he's spent on the case - must indeed have been a lot with his group expeditions to Portugal, two sets of lawyers, not to mention R&D for the invention of the century - but that's his problem.
When he explains at the start of this new video that the McCann case is a religious experience for him that really sums the whole thing up.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Cariad on December 07, 2013, 11:21:24 PM
Not a very nice thing to do. Completely self-serving person. He complains about all the money he's spent on the case - must indeed have been a lot with his group expeditions to Portugal, two sets of lawyers, not to mention R&D for the invention of the century - but that's his problem.
When he explains at the start of this new video that the McCann case is a religious experience for him that really sums the whole thing up.
He takes obsession to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pegasus on December 07, 2013, 11:32:31 PM
Is there anyone on this thread who thinks there is any merit or ethics or fairness in this driveway theory whatsoever? If not, then what is being debated? A good argument requires that at least one person proposes the opposite point of view.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 07, 2013, 11:34:16 PM
Is there anyone on this thread who thinks there is any merit or ethics or fairness in this driveway theory whatsoever? If not, then what is being debated? A good argument requires that at least one person proposes the opposite point of view.
Good point, pegasus. There is a lack of debate on this thread.
Although it is right and good that we are all free to come up with and express our own theories and ideas, Stephen Birch, in taking the law into his own hands and trespassing onto Mrs Murat's property, has gone much further. He has impinged upon someone else's rights in order to assert his own.
There are occasions when it is necessary to go beyond the law in order to change things but this is not one of them, and that being so I don't think we're going to find many defenders of Stephen Birch.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Angelo222 on December 07, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
What I would like to know is why Birch wasn't arrested for trespass and criminal damage? What he and his co conspirators did might pass as acceptable in deepest South Africa but it most certainly isn't acceptable in Portugal.
I still think that Rob and Jenny should invite the PJ in to investigate Birch's claims so that he can be finally exposed as a fraud.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: drummer on December 08, 2013, 12:34:46 AM
The Murat's may have done do already, but like most topics we discuss on here we do not know.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: pegasus on December 08, 2013, 12:59:48 AM
At least there seems to be a good level of support on this thread for Mr Murat which is a positive and pleasing result.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Angelo222 on December 08, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
If the Murats are guilty of anything it is naivety. They were both public spirited in the aftermath and ended up being condemned. Rob in particular bared his soul to that stupid cow reporter and she dobbed him in as some sort of paedo weirdo.
I would wager that he now wishes he had stayed at home the day after Maddie disappeared and left them to it!!
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Benita on December 08, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
If the Murats are guilty of anything it is naivety. They were both public spirited in the aftermath and ended up being condemned. Rob in particular bared his soul to that stupid cow reporter and she dobbed him in as some sort of paedo weirdo.
I would wager that he now wishes he had stayed at home the day after Maddie disappeared and left them to it!!
ian Huntley .. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on December 08, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
What I would like to know is why Birch wasn't arrested for trespass and criminal damage? What he and his co conspirators did might pass as acceptable in deepest South Africa but it most certainly isn't acceptable in Portugal.
I still think that Rob and Jenny should invite the PJ in to investigate Birch's claims so that he can be finally exposed as a fraud.
Did Jenny actually notice anything at the bottom of the garden at the time? Even if she had noticed and reported apparent trespassing to the GNR, without knowing who it might have been, what would the GNR be expected to do? When were his admissions of trespassing actually made public?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Anna on December 08, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
What I would like to know is why Birch wasn't arrested for trespass and criminal damage? What he and his co conspirators did might pass as acceptable in deepest South Africa but it most certainly isn't acceptable in Portugal.
I still think that Rob and Jenny should invite the PJ in to investigate Birch's claims so that he can be finally exposed as a fraud.
It's way too late for that though.
I should stress I have no doubt Birch is a fraud and a Charlatan.
But if they dig up the Murats' drive and find nothing, that will nail nothing and instead give rise to fresh speculation and fresh innuendo: when was "the body" (spit!) exhumed and moved, and where to?
Best to leave Birch to stew, I reckon.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 08, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
Did Jenny actually notice anything at the bottom of the garden at the time? Even if she had noticed and reported apparent trespassing to the GNR, without knowing who it might have been, what would the GNR be expected to do? When were his admissions of trespassing actually made public?
I would rather ask "what wouldn't the GNR be expected to do ?" Googling will answer your last question.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Benita on December 08, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
Have you read the statement of Carlos ............Costa
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post5986.html#p5986
yes anna read that a few years ago .. if true looks like murat has mental and aggressive issues ..always thought there was something iffy about the guy ..and knows more than letting on >@@(*&)
He also states that it is his opinion that Robert could have committed a crime of this nature—abduction of a child. That he does not have the capacity of getting involved in a paedophile ring. If he did abduct this child, then the witness believes she may be dead. He concludes this from Robert’s violent and deviant personality. He adds still that he also was violent with his mother when he was reprimanded and would react by kicking her. • He asserts that Robert did receive psychiatric treatment whilst in the U.K.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Anna on December 08, 2013, 01:59:06 PM
If there was a body under that area, it would have been moved a long time ago, so no point in digging now !
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on December 08, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
I should stress I have no doubt Birch is a fraud and a Charlatan.
But if they dig up the Murats' drive and find nothing, that will nail nothing and instead give rise to fresh speculation and fresh innuendo: when was "the body" (spit!) exumed and moved, and where to?
Best to leave Birch to stew, I reckon.
His "revelations" concern an area of a property close to a swimming pool, which needs pipes to drain and add water as necessary. It wouldn't be difficult for the Murats to provide plans of the system. Was Birch able to exclude any logical explanation of any plans or work undertaken concerning the swimming pool?
If an excavation led to no body, the out clause is that it had been moved since his "revelations". He could go on for years...
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Benita on December 08, 2013, 02:04:14 PM
yes anna read that a few years ago .. if true looks like murat has mental and aggressive issues ..always thought there was something iffy about the guy ..and knows more than letting on >@@(*&)
He also states that it is his opinion that Robert could have committed a crime of this nature—abduction of a child. That he does not have the capacity of getting involved in a paedophile ring. If he did abduct this child, then the witness believes she may be dead. He concludes this from Robert’s violent and deviant personality. He adds still that he also was violent with his mother when he was reprimanded and would react by kicking her. • He asserts that Robert did receive psychiatric treatment whilst in the U.K.
Who was this Carlos guy? Was anything substantiated?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Angelo222 on December 08, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Birch apparently took scans of the ground in the property. He states that the scans show an object like a child or animal on a secluded portion of the property. Photo’s in Birch’s possession show that police never did excavations in that section at the time.
Birch has continued with an online campaign since making the allegations. It is aimed at the British and Portuguese government, and Maddie’s parents, in the hope that his findings will be investigated.
Kate McCann, Maddie’s mother then on a British TV program asked sarcastically: ”Who is Stephen Birch actually?”
“He is not a reliable source” she said.
In reaction to her statement Birch said,” If it was your child and there was a chance that she was buried there, would you not do everything possible to ensure that the findings are not true. Unless of course you have something to hide and you want nobody near the place.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 08, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
I love the parts where he accuses British and Portuguese systems of cover-up (and mentions the EU as a whole as well at times) and suggests that South African lawyers will put everyone right about fair play and good arbitration.
What planet is he on?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
Has anyone followed his ramblings?
Just a few...
https://twitter.com/BirchStephen
SilverLining @Ev3ryCloud 14h14 hours ago
@BirchStephen That's a false start as you know there's no body, show some respect for family & friends of Brenda Leyland...#mccann 0 retweets 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen
@Ev3ryCloud There ain't no body the bitch is alive #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen 2h2 hours ago
#McCann £100 for the first person who pushes Kate off her bicycle, gives her spade and tells her to dig up the Murat driveway-make it happen
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 12
I'll pay 50 000 pounds to anyone who can show me Brenda Leyland's body #McCann
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 1
Knock knock Jenny Murat 1 retweet 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
2 Schools in Leicester close their facebook pages to stop kids finding out about Madeleine McCann under the Murat driveway #McCann 0 retweets 1 favorite
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 02:29:51 PM
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen 2h2 hours ago
#McCann £100 for the first person who pushes Kate off her bicycle, gives her spade and tells her to dig up the Murat driveway-make it happen 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 12
50 000 pounds reward to the person who can show me Brenda Leyland's decomposing body #McCann Goodluck 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 12
I'll pay 50 000 pounds to anyone who can show me Brenda Leyland's body #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 11
#McCann Brenda Leyland is alive- check her grave ! 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 5
People who find reasons not to look/ and re-look for MADELEINE MCCANN in certain places, do not want to find her #McCann @SoniaPoulton 1 retweet 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 5
Any person who finds reasons not to look/ and re-look for MADELEINE MCCANN in certain places does not want to find her #McCann 1 retweet 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 5
remove Tony Bennett off Jillhavern until he provides his court settlement agreement with McCann's & UK state #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 5
Lady leFaye is a MI6 agent. She says "lets stay focussed. Birch is a distraction." Really, digging up Maddie/Murat driveway is ???? #McCann 1 retweet 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
5 International ground penetrating radar experts want the Murat driveway dug up -Tony Bennett does not want the dig to occur ! Why #McCann 0 retweets 1 favorite Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
Goncarlo Amaral lost his home, Tony Bennett kept his home ! Why ? #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
Goncarlo Amaral lost his home and everything.Tony Bennett did not !! Why? #McCann Bennett work for the UK government now ! 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
Tony Bennett has deceived all those good people really wanting to find Madeleine McCann #McCann Don't trust Tony Bennett !!!! 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
#McCann @SoniaPoulton Tony Bennett cannot be trusted. He does not want to find Madeleine McCann !!!! The UK government gave him no option 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
Tony Bennett & McCanns/UK are one.Bennett has been against the excavation of the Murat driveway ! ! #McCann @SoniaPoulton Maddie 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 4
Tony Bennett was forced through a court settlement to work for McCanns/UK to prevent Madeleine McCann being found ! #McCann @SoniaPoulton 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 1
Knock knock Jenny Murat 1 retweet 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch followed leanne byrne, CLARE SAMBROOK and Missing People
leanne byrne @lealeabyrne
CLARE SAMBROOK @CLARESAMBROOK
investigative journo, edits Shine A Light @openDemocracy, novelist Hide&Seek, cofounded EndChildDetentionNow, has won prizes: Paul Foot & Bevins
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
Round Hill Community college & Gartree High try to prevent students from knowing #McCann Facebook pages now locked Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
2 Schools in Leicester close their facebook pages to stop kids finding out about Madeleine McCann under the Murat driveway #McCann 0 retweets 1 favorite Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
#McCann tonight sees us inform 200 000 Leicester people Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
Last night saw over 100 000 Leicester people being informed that Maddie is under the Murat driveway in Portugal.#McCann 0 retweets 2 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
17 000 people attached to this post #McCann https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?fref=nf … Gerry buried MADDIE in Murat yard 0 retweets 1 favorite Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
People joining the facebook page "Digging for Madeleine McCann" #McCann Confirmed Gerry McCann buried MADDIE in #Murat property 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
#mccann DLA Piper 2 write 2 Carter Ruck on behalf Stephen D Birch accussing Dr Gerald Patrick McCann of burying his daughter Maddie #Murat 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
Stephen D. Birch says Dr Gerald Patrick McCann left his daughter Maddie rotting in the Murat garden ! #McCann Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
I GERRY MCCANN BURIED MADDIE IN THE MURAT PROPERTY & THEN I PUT BUILDING RUBBLE ONTOP OF HER ! #McCann Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
I GERRY MCCANN BURIED MADDIE IN THE MURAT PROPERTY ! #McCann Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 1 favorite Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
I GERRY MCCANN BURIED MADDIE IN THE MURAT PROPERTY ! Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 16
I BURIED MADDIE IN THE MURAT PROPERTY ! #McCann Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 15
#McCann If Amaral calls for the excavation of Murats driveway & Maddies there, I,ll pay 1/2 his legal costs. #MadeleineMcCann 0 retweets 2 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 15
#McCann Let's excavate Madeleine McCann
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 7
#McCann a 2 000 000 UK people data base will see the launch of campaign "Kate Slap" & excavation of the Murat driveway #Madeleine 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 7
Carter Ruck to be informed by DLA Piper South Africa of the campaign "Kate Slap" a campaign to slap Kate McCann #McCann #Muratdriveway 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 7
"Kate Slap" to become the biggest campaign in the UK #McCann letter on it's way to Carter Ruck informing them of campaign via SA lawyers 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 4
Casa Lilianna up for sale, Stephen D Birch to gain access to dig up Murat driveway #McCann #MadeleineMcCann 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 2
#McCann Facebook Digging for Madeleine McCann- £100 pounds for person who provides a photo slapping Kate McCann ! Embedded image permalink View photo 0 retweets 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Apr 30
Amaral is an idiot, he will loose the appeal, unless he digs up Murats rear gravel driveway #Sardinemuncher #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Apr 28
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/madeleine-mccann-parents-win-libel-damages-goncalo-amaral-trial … I told this idiot and his lawyer where to find MADDIE. They ignored me ! Its just cost them £500 000 #mccann View summary 0 retweets 0 favorites
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Do you agree with his statements? If so, why? If not, why not?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2015, 02:46:28 PM
Goodness Me.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
@BirchStephen That's a false start as you know there's no body, show some respect for family & friends of Brenda Leyland...#mccann 0 retweets 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen
@Ev3ryCloud There ain't no body the bitch is alive #McCann 0 retweets 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen 2h2 hours ago
#McCann £100 for the first person who pushes Kate off her bicycle, gives her spade and tells her to dig up the Murat driveway-make it happen
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 12
I'll pay 50 000 pounds to anyone who can show me Brenda Leyland's body #McCann
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen Jun 1
Knock knock Jenny Murat 1 retweet 0 favorites
Stephen D.Birch @BirchStephen May 21
2 Schools in Leicester close their facebook pages to stop kids finding out about Madeleine McCann under the Murat driveway #McCann 0 retweets 1 favorite
A complete nutball.
He lost the plot years ago.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 02:52:44 PM
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: misty on June 13, 2015, 03:02:35 PM
I think the site was hacked/taken over a while back. Curiously, the person you have to email in admin is called Leanne. There has been some pretty awful material posted there recently by those authorised , some of which was removed within 24hrs.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2015, 03:05:53 PM
Why does "speech" get spelled "speach" sometimes...........like "troof" instead of "truth"?
Is it some sort of in-joke or meant as a put-down to other people?
I`ve asked before, but have never found out..........really!
You or Benice seem the most.......erm.... "approachable" sort of supporter persons, so maybe you will let me know. Thanks.
Some people who were the staunchest upholders of the concept of free speech frequently misspelled it, while at the same time berating / banning anyone who held a differing view to the one that they were defending.
It thus became a joke... as in "free speech but only for those who agree with me", which got shortened to "free speach".
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Eleanor on June 13, 2015, 03:31:42 PM
Why does "speech" get spelled "speach" sometimes...........like "troof" instead of "truth"?
Is it some sort of in-joke or meant as a put-down to other people?
I`ve asked before, but have never found out..........really!
You or Benice seem the most.......erm.... "approachable" sort of supporter persons, so maybe you will let me know. Thanks.
Once upon a time, in another place, know only to those of us who have been at this lark for eight years now, a McCann Sceptic accidentally spelt "Speech" incorrectly. It has now come to epitomise The Free Speach But Only For Me Brigade. None of whom exist on here. Obviously.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carew on June 13, 2015, 03:36:45 PM
Some people who were the staunchest upholders of the concept of free speech frequently misspelled it, while at the same time berating / banning anyone who held a differing view to the one that they were defending.
It thus became a joke... as in "free speech but only for those who agree with me", which got shortened to "free speach".
Oh right.
I must have missed the era of the spelling mistake, because I really haven`t seen it spelled wrongly, other than in supporter posts..........So now I know.
Thankyou.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carew on June 13, 2015, 03:37:43 PM
Once upon a time, in another place, know only to those of us who have been at this lark for eight years now, a McCann Sceptic accidentally spelt "Speech" incorrectly. It has now come to epitomise The Free Speach But Only For Me Brigade. None of whom exist on here. Obviously.
Thanks......I get it now !
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
Digging for Madeleine McCann 29. April ·
They fast becoming the most hated couple in the world - Kate dig up your daughter from below the Murat driveway, or the UK people will linch you !
No wonder an elderly lady is scared out of her wits. Not that long ago someone was apparently taking up Birch's challenge to get back into her garden to attempt to "excavate" it.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 04:29:34 PM
Anyway...
Why is Birch one of the only topics that virtually everyone agrees about on here?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 13, 2015, 04:36:54 PM
I think the site was hacked/taken over a while back. Curiously, the person you have to email in admin is called Leanne. There has been some pretty awful material posted there recently by those authorised , some of which was removed within 24hrs.
Rimes, Womack, Baulch, Wood, Battersby, just any old random coincidence Leanne or maybe even Leanne from The Boy Wizard stories, what do you think? (allowing for a bit of licence on spelling 8(*( )
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 13, 2015, 07:20:59 PM
No wonder an elderly lady is scared out of her wits. Not that long ago someone was apparently taking up Birch's challenge to get back into her garden to attempt to "excavate" it.
I have walked past CL a couple of times recently and on both occasions what sounded like a particularly aggressive dog started barking even before I got to the plot.
Dogs in Portugal can be like that though, bark wildly from behind a fence, then try to lick you to death when you walk through the gate.
But I'd still go with steak stuffed with sleeping tablets, just in case.
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: Carana on June 13, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
I have walked past CL a couple of times recently and on both occasions what sounded like a particularly aggressive dog started barking even before I got to the plot.
Dogs in Portugal can be like that though, bark wildly from behind a fence, then try to lick you to death when you walk through the gate.
But I'd still go with steak stuffed with sleeping tablets, just in case.
But that's one of the things that seems so odd about his lawnmower extraordinaire intruder adventure. Where were the dogs and why weren't they howling their heads off?
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: misty on June 13, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
But that's one of the things that seems so odd about his lawnmower extraordinaire intruder adventure. Where were the dogs and why weren't they howling their heads off?
Followers were told SB a few months ago was going to post part of the video which showed him confronting the dogs, but it has never materialised.
I've always wondered why the Murat dogs weren't howling their heads off when people were calling out for Madeleine. Or perhaps they did.....
Title: Re: Stephen Birch Body Finder Extraordinaire Revisit
Post by: mercury on June 13, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
Why waste more bandwidth than is required for an insane person would be my question.