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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Admin on March 17, 2012, 09:52:16 PM

Title: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Admin on March 17, 2012, 09:52:16 PM
Jeremy Bamber writes in two letters of his hope that Ann and Peter Eaton will be arrested and prosecuted for fabricating evidence.



On 6th September 2009 he writes...

(http://i.imgur.com/g9iCH.jpg)


and again on 6th March 2010 he writes...

(http://i.imgur.com/Emhpt.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Tim Invictus on March 18, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
Very interesting .... I wonder if Bamber knows his private letters to Tescos are being published on forums? I wonder why Bamber wants nothing to do with tescos now ... they don't even refer to Tesko Towers on Bamber's web sites and Mike is never mentioned ... a bit like Jackie Preece!

The other observation is Bamber's confidence he is about to be released immenently .... he seems to have been exactly the same for 27 years!

David, Ann and Peter must be used to this rubbish from Bamber fro all these years .... I doubt they lose any sleep over it!
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: starryian on June 02, 2012, 05:54:57 AM
An interesting post. It also highlights the 'cloud cuckoo land' that Bamber seems to inhabit. It is clear that he is able to fool himself into making absurd statements such as 'they will be arrested within two weeks'
It makes you think that Bamber is able to believe his own nonsense, including his own, ridiculous denials that he was, in any way, responsible for these crimes.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: ActualMat on June 02, 2012, 06:28:03 PM
Jeremy seems to be losing it IMO. " Few weeks..." How can he believe that? Even if the CCRC was successful.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 01:54:46 AM
Jeremy Bamber writes in two letters of his hope that Ann and Peter Eaton will be arrested and prosecuted for fabricating evidence.



On 6th September 2009 he writes...

(http://i.imgur.com/g9iCH.jpg)


and again on 6th March 2010 he writes...

(http://i.imgur.com/Emhpt.jpg)

‘In an astonishing letter from his cell, Bamber brands Ann Eaton “odd and morbid

“Ann, my mum’s niece, lives in this rented property. Her motive is that she is protecting the crime scene in case I’m retried and new techniques could find evidence to be used at a retrial.

 won’t watch the drama ever, it’s simply too upsetting to see ITV misrepresent my mum and dad and me.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-brands-itvs-21359422
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Takeshi on January 26, 2020, 02:05:03 AM
“She gave ITV permission to film inside this rented property. I just find it odd and morbid to want to live in a crime scene.”

Except the drama isn't filmed inside White House Farm. Maybe if he watched it he would know this.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2020, 06:12:33 AM
“She gave ITV permission to film inside this rented property. I just find it odd and morbid to want to live in a crime scene.”

Except the drama isn't filmed inside White House Farm. Maybe if he watched it he would know this.
He doesn't want to watch it because it would remind him of his true self, not the fictional one he's sustained for 34 years.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
He doesn't want to watch it because it would remind him of his true self, not the fictional one he's sustained for 34 years.

and goes to show how the CT make things up: if he’s not watching it how can any of them possibly know if it’s accurate or not?!?

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@fahy_damian
Access to Jeremy was offered, his campaigners were very open and helpful. We offered the new evidence, our insights...but we were all rebuffed. Draw your own conclusions (on THEIR guilt/innocence) 😐😡 Drama INSPIRED by true events, it’s not an accurate portrayal #WhiteHouseFarm
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1221351435939479552

the frantic weaving and spinning of the lies that have distorted the truth” https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/11/the-clues-that-point-to-barry-georges/

Reece Dinsdale
@reece_dinsdale
12h
Great shame end credits on tv progs have been reduced to nothing by the constant desire to hold on to viewers for the next show up.
Used to love seeing who’d done what.
Feels disrespectful to the brilliant crews & creatives involved that their names fly by so quickly.

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@reece_dinsdale
Frequently, we go to IMDb to check for names...and we’re not in showbiz. Sometimes we want to know where something was filmed etc.
8:12 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1221345206500569088

And frequently ‘they’ go to IMDb to post comments then tweet about them  *&^^&
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Caroline on January 26, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
and goes to show how the CT make things up: if he’s not watching it how can any of them possibly know if it’s accurate or not?!?

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@fahy_damian
Access to Jeremy was offered, his campaigners were very open and helpful. We offered the new evidence, our insights...but we were all rebuffed. Draw your own conclusions (on THEIR guilt/innocence) 😐😡 Drama INSPIRED by true events, it’s not an accurate portrayal #WhiteHouseFarm
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1221351435939479552

the frantic weaving and spinning of the lies that have distorted the truth” https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/11/the-clues-that-point-to-barry-georges/

Reece Dinsdale
@reece_dinsdale
12h
Great shame end credits on tv progs have been reduced to nothing by the constant desire to hold on to viewers for the next show up.
Used to love seeing who’d done what.
Feels disrespectful to the brilliant crews & creatives involved that their names fly by so quickly.

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@reece_dinsdale
Frequently, we go to IMDb to check for names...and we’re not in showbiz. Sometimes we want to know where something was filmed etc.
8:12 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1221345206500569088

And frequently ‘they’ go to IMDb to post comments then tweet about them  *&^^&

Some of the comments on IMBD sound very familiar - CT team I wonder? If so, perhaps they should start allowing comments of the stuff they post online, given that they don't is what I really call ONE SIDED!
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 26, 2020, 11:10:29 AM
Isn't his use of captial letters in all his correspondence a sign of something being not quite right in his psychological make-up?  No doubt discussed a million times before...

3 Personality Secrets Of People Writing In All Caps
1. They Don’t Like Sharing Much
I had an ex-colleague who wrote in all caps. We worked together for about a year and we sat barely a couple of meters apart. But beyond his name and the fact that he worked there, I did not know anything about him. I still don’t. In fact, most people on the team thought the same about him.

Such writers do not like to disclose much about themselves to others. According to graphology, all-caps writers are uncomfortable talking about their personal lives — at least in interpersonal relationships. They do not want others to know about themselves. (What does it mean if you have a signature in all caps?)

2. They Suppress Their Feelings
People who have all-caps handwriting feel a compulsive need to sift their emotions through reason. They seldom allow their feelings to come out spontaneously.

In fact, they also repress their feelings primarily because they are suspicious or defensive. (Also Read: Lucky Signature Samples)


 
In some cases, writing in all capital letters may not be much hiding the true personality as it is controlling the expression of self. Control can be an effective response to stress, and it may be taken to the extreme.

3. They Are ‘Narcissists’
Michael Watts says in his book, Lovescript, that all-caps handwriting may belong to writers with “narcissistic tendencies”. If you also see any other narcissistic indicators in the writing, for example a large/large and showy signature, the writer is a “narcissist” with poor people skills, he observes.

However, it won’t be a good idea to call every call caps/print writers as narcissists. A handwriting analyst needs to find out what the rest of the writing shows about the writer’s personality.

As a matter of fact, many of these block printers have physical issues, and some mental health issues. It’s possible that they resort to block printing rather than display the problems with controlling the pen that would come in cursive writing or even in manuscript printing.

As a matter of rule, a handwriting analyst is not qualified to diagnose a condition; he can only describe what he sees in the handwriting. Therefore, always look at the whole picture before arriving at a conclusion.

4. They Are Set In Their Ways
All-caps handwriting lacks connection between letters, which indicates that the writer does not like to relate to people at a personal level.

Also, such writers are quite egotistic. They hold strong opinions and it’s very tough to get them to see another point of view. They emphasise a lot on their day-to-day lives, rather than spending time planning their future.

About all-caps handwriting, graphologist Sheila Lowe says:

The writer’s [Block printer] energies are concentrated in the day-to-day area of routine and social interaction… her ego is central to all aspects of her life. She does not mind sharing her opinions, and expects you to agree with her. But if you don’t, it won’t change her mind.”
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 01:13:17 PM
Some of the comments on IMBD sound very familiar - CT team I wonder? If so, perhaps they should start allowing comments of the stuff they post online, given that they don't is what I really call ONE SIDED!

Of course, who else? And did you notice how they aren’t prepared to use their real names  ?{)(**

One sided because they must dictate their false narrative/s

Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
Jeremy Bamber said "Thanks so much Trudi Benjamin @tru68, Dr Dennis Eady speaking Liberty AGM yesterday, fighting for the right to evidence"
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/863808262399029249

Can’t add photos here but if you click on the twitter link it appears to be of a slide show presentation given by Trudi Benjamin in 2017 at Liberty’s AGM proposing an ‘open justice charter’, seconded by Dr Dennis Eady  ?{)(** 

They cannot make demands of Essex police if they aren’t prepared to be open and transparent themselves

Why have they chosen to not publicise the CCRC’s statement of reasons for example?

Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 01:17:48 PM
Isn't his use of captial letters in all his correspondence a sign of something being not quite right in his psychological make-up?  No doubt discussed a million times before...

3 Personality Secrets Of People Writing In All Caps
1. They Don’t Like Sharing Much
I had an ex-colleague who wrote in all caps. We worked together for about a year and we sat barely a couple of meters apart. But beyond his name and the fact that he worked there, I did not know anything about him. I still don’t. In fact, most people on the team thought the same about him.

Such writers do not like to disclose much about themselves to others. According to graphology, all-caps writers are uncomfortable talking about their personal lives — at least in interpersonal relationships. They do not want others to know about themselves. (What does it mean if you have a signature in all caps?)

2. They Suppress Their Feelings
People who have all-caps handwriting feel a compulsive need to sift their emotions through reason. They seldom allow their feelings to come out spontaneously.

In fact, they also repress their feelings primarily because they are suspicious or defensive. (Also Read: Lucky Signature Samples)


 
In some cases, writing in all capital letters may not be much hiding the true personality as it is controlling the expression of self. Control can be an effective response to stress, and it may be taken to the extreme.

3. They Are ‘Narcissists’
Michael Watts says in his book, Lovescript, that all-caps handwriting may belong to writers with “narcissistic tendencies”. If you also see any other narcissistic indicators in the writing, for example a large/large and showy signature, the writer is a “narcissist” with poor people skills, he observes.

However, it won’t be a good idea to call every call caps/print writers as narcissists. A handwriting analyst needs to find out what the rest of the writing shows about the writer’s personality.

As a matter of fact, many of these block printers have physical issues, and some mental health issues. It’s possible that they resort to block printing rather than display the problems with controlling the pen that would come in cursive writing or even in manuscript printing.

As a matter of rule, a handwriting analyst is not qualified to diagnose a condition; he can only describe what he sees in the handwriting. Therefore, always look at the whole picture before arriving at a conclusion.

4. They Are Set In Their Ways
All-caps handwriting lacks connection between letters, which indicates that the writer does not like to relate to people at a personal level.

Also, such writers are quite egotistic. They hold strong opinions and it’s very tough to get them to see another point of view. They emphasise a lot on their day-to-day lives, rather than spending time planning their future.

About all-caps handwriting, graphologist Sheila Lowe says:

The writer’s [Block printer] energies are concentrated in the day-to-day area of routine and social interaction… her ego is central to all aspects of her life. She does not mind sharing her opinions, and expects you to agree with her. But if you don’t, it won’t change her mind.”

His defence team learned that about him before his trial began

Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Of course, who else? And did you notice how they aren’t prepared to use their real names  ?{)(**

One sided because they must dictate their false narrative/s

Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
Jeremy Bamber said "Thanks so much Trudi Benjamin @tru68, Dr Dennis Eady speaking Liberty AGM yesterday, fighting for the right to evidence"
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/863808262399029249 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JBamberFacebook/status/863808262399029249)

Can’t add photos here but if you click on the twitter link it appears to be of a slide show presentation given by Trudi Benjamin in 2017 at Liberty’s AGM proposing an ‘open justice charter’, seconded by Dr Dennis Eady  ?{)(** 

They cannot make demands of Essex police if they aren’t prepared to be open and transparent themselves

Why have they chosen to not publicise the CCRC’s statement of reasons for example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWp1MCkzKSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWp1MCkzKSk)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Myster on January 26, 2020, 01:42:39 PM
Isn't his use of captial letters in all his correspondence a sign of something being not quite right in his psychological make-up?  No doubt discussed a million times before...

3 Personality Secrets Of People Writing In All Caps
1. They Don’t Like Sharing Much
I had an ex-colleague who wrote in all caps. We worked together for about a year and we sat barely a couple of meters apart. But beyond his name and the fact that he worked there, I did not know anything about him. I still don’t. In fact, most people on the team thought the same about him.

Such writers do not like to disclose much about themselves to others. According to graphology, all-caps writers are uncomfortable talking about their personal lives — at least in interpersonal relationships. They do not want others to know about themselves. (What does it mean if you have a signature in all caps?)

2. They Suppress Their Feelings
People who have all-caps handwriting feel a compulsive need to sift their emotions through reason. They seldom allow their feelings to come out spontaneously.

In fact, they also repress their feelings primarily because they are suspicious or defensive. (Also Read: Lucky Signature Samples)


 
In some cases, writing in all capital letters may not be much hiding the true personality as it is controlling the expression of self. Control can be an effective response to stress, and it may be taken to the extreme.

3. They Are ‘Narcissists’
Michael Watts says in his book, Lovescript, that all-caps handwriting may belong to writers with “narcissistic tendencies”. If you also see any other narcissistic indicators in the writing, for example a large/large and showy signature, the writer is a “narcissist” with poor people skills, he observes.

However, it won’t be a good idea to call every call caps/print writers as narcissists. A handwriting analyst needs to find out what the rest of the writing shows about the writer’s personality.

As a matter of fact, many of these block printers have physical issues, and some mental health issues. It’s possible that they resort to block printing rather than display the problems with controlling the pen that would come in cursive writing or even in manuscript printing.

As a matter of rule, a handwriting analyst is not qualified to diagnose a condition; he can only describe what he sees in the handwriting. Therefore, always look at the whole picture before arriving at a conclusion.

4. They Are Set In Their Ways
All-caps handwriting lacks connection between letters, which indicates that the writer does not like to relate to people at a personal level.

Also, such writers are quite egotistic. They hold strong opinions and it’s very tough to get them to see another point of view. They emphasise a lot on their day-to-day lives, rather than spending time planning their future.

About all-caps handwriting, graphologist Sheila Lowe says:

The writer’s [Block printer] energies are concentrated in the day-to-day area of routine and social interaction… her ego is central to all aspects of her life. She does not mind sharing her opinions, and expects you to agree with her. But if you don’t, it won’t change her mind.”
All, some or none of the above.
or
He never learned to write cursive in primary school.
or
His groupies complained about his illegible script, so he became Wakefield's Chief upper-case correspondent.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 26, 2020, 07:51:04 PM
Isn't his use of captial letters in all his correspondence a sign of something being not quite right in his psychological make-up?  No doubt discussed a million times before...

3 Personality Secrets Of People Writing In All Caps
1. They Don’t Like Sharing Much
I had an ex-colleague who wrote in all caps. We worked together for about a year and we sat barely a couple of meters apart. But beyond his name and the fact that he worked there, I did not know anything about him. I still don’t. In fact, most people on the team thought the same about him.

Such writers do not like to disclose much about themselves to others. According to graphology, all-caps writers are uncomfortable talking about their personal lives — at least in interpersonal relationships. They do not want others to know about themselves. (What does it mean if you have a signature in all caps?)

2. They Suppress Their Feelings
People who have all-caps handwriting feel a compulsive need to sift their emotions through reason. They seldom allow their feelings to come out spontaneously.

In fact, they also repress their feelings primarily because they are suspicious or defensive. (Also Read: Lucky Signature Samples)


 
In some cases, writing in all capital letters may not be much hiding the true personality as it is controlling the expression of self. Control can be an effective response to stress, and it may be taken to the extreme.

3. They Are ‘Narcissists’
Michael Watts says in his book, Lovescript, that all-caps handwriting may belong to writers with “narcissistic tendencies”. If you also see any other narcissistic indicators in the writing, for example a large/large and showy signature, the writer is a “narcissist” with poor people skills, he observes.

However, it won’t be a good idea to call every call caps/print writers as narcissists. A handwriting analyst needs to find out what the rest of the writing shows about the writer’s personality.

As a matter of fact, many of these block printers have physical issues, and some mental health issues. It’s possible that they resort to block printing rather than display the problems with controlling the pen that would come in cursive writing or even in manuscript printing.

As a matter of rule, a handwriting analyst is not qualified to diagnose a condition; he can only describe what he sees in the handwriting. Therefore, always look at the whole picture before arriving at a conclusion.

4. They Are Set In Their Ways
All-caps handwriting lacks connection between letters, which indicates that the writer does not like to relate to people at a personal level.

Also, such writers are quite egotistic. They hold strong opinions and it’s very tough to get them to see another point of view. They emphasise a lot on their day-to-day lives, rather than spending time planning their future.

About all-caps handwriting, graphologist Sheila Lowe says:

The writer’s [Block printer] energies are concentrated in the day-to-day area of routine and social interaction… her ego is central to all aspects of her life. She does not mind sharing her opinions, and expects you to agree with her. But if you don’t, it won’t change her mind.”

Is there any non psudoscience underpinning this?  Is it used in the courts? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 07:58:23 PM
Isn't his use of captial letters in all his correspondence a sign of something being not quite right in his psychological make-up?  No doubt discussed a million times before...

3 Personality Secrets Of People Writing In All Caps
1. They Don’t Like Sharing Much
I had an ex-colleague who wrote in all caps. We worked together for about a year and we sat barely a couple of meters apart. But beyond his name and the fact that he worked there, I did not know anything about him. I still don’t. In fact, most people on the team thought the same about him.

Such writers do not like to disclose much about themselves to others. According to graphology, all-caps writers are uncomfortable talking about their personal lives — at least in interpersonal relationships. They do not want others to know about themselves. (What does it mean if you have a signature in all caps?)

2. They Suppress Their Feelings
People who have all-caps handwriting feel a compulsive need to sift their emotions through reason. They seldom allow their feelings to come out spontaneously.

In fact, they also repress their feelings primarily because they are suspicious or defensive. (Also Read: Lucky Signature Samples)


 
In some cases, writing in all capital letters may not be much hiding the true personality as it is controlling the expression of self. Control can be an effective response to stress, and it may be taken to the extreme.

3. They Are ‘Narcissists’
Michael Watts says in his book, Lovescript, that all-caps handwriting may belong to writers with “narcissistic tendencies”. If you also see any other narcissistic indicators in the writing, for example a large/large and showy signature, the writer is a “narcissist” with poor people skills, he observes.

However, it won’t be a good idea to call every call caps/print writers as narcissists. A handwriting analyst needs to find out what the rest of the writing shows about the writer’s personality.

As a matter of fact, many of these block printers have physical issues, and some mental health issues. It’s possible that they resort to block printing rather than display the problems with controlling the pen that would come in cursive writing or even in manuscript printing.

As a matter of rule, a handwriting analyst is not qualified to diagnose a condition; he can only describe what he sees in the handwriting. Therefore, always look at the whole picture before arriving at a conclusion.

4. They Are Set In Their Ways
All-caps handwriting lacks connection between letters, which indicates that the writer does not like to relate to people at a personal level.

Also, such writers are quite egotistic. They hold strong opinions and it’s very tough to get them to see another point of view. They emphasise a lot on their day-to-day lives, rather than spending time planning their future.

About all-caps handwriting, graphologist Sheila Lowe says:

The writer’s [Block printer] energies are concentrated in the day-to-day area of routine and social interaction… her ego is central to all aspects of her life. She does not mind sharing her opinions, and expects you to agree with her. But if you don’t, it won’t change her mind.”

Is there any non psudoscience underpinning this?  Is it used in the courts?

Sheila Lowe is trained in both areas of handwriting analysis. Now having more than 40 years of experience in the field, she first qualified to testify as a handwriting expert in 1985.
http://www.sheilalowe.com/QuestionedDocuments/2015/04/30/forensic-handwriting-examination/
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 26, 2020, 08:11:51 PM
Sheila Lowe is trained in both areas of handwriting analysis. Now having more than 40 years of experience in the field, she first qualified to testify as a handwriting expert in 1985.
http://www.sheilalowe.com/QuestionedDocuments/2015/04/30/forensic-handwriting-examination/

Thanks.  Is it used in the UK courts? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Nicholas on January 26, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Thanks.  Is it used in the UK courts?

Yep
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Myster on January 27, 2020, 07:09:53 AM
All caps handwriting... https://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/all-caps-handwriting/ (https://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/all-caps-handwriting/)

Sheila Lowe on Trumpscrawl... https://youtu.be/cPRPKKQJoGQ?t=703 (https://youtu.be/cPRPKKQJoGQ?t=703)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 27, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
Yep

Cites please.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber has asked the police to arrest Ann and Peter
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 27, 2020, 11:23:13 AM
All caps handwriting... https://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/all-caps-handwriting/ (https://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/all-caps-handwriting/)

Sheila Lowe on Trumpscrawl... https://youtu.be/cPRPKKQJoGQ?t=703 (https://youtu.be/cPRPKKQJoGQ?t=703)

In which case why do organisations spend thousands on recruiting the right people when they could ask candidates to write a letter and then ascertain their personality from this?

If we're going down the road of pseudoscience let's not forget JB passed a lie detector test.