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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on August 17, 2013, 12:55:06 AM

Title: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: John on August 17, 2013, 12:55:06 AM
Breakthrough hope as taxi driver says, "I picked up men with Maddie".

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/422662/Taxi-driver-tells-police-I-can-help-you-find-Madeleine-McCann

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Here is the same story in the same newspaper on 3rd May 2012.


Madeleine McCann was in my taxi but police ignored me.

A TAXI driver who claims he picked up Madelebutk McCann the night after she vanished has accused Portuguese police of dismissing his evidence.

Antonio Castela, 72, says he is ­certain the little girl in pink pyjamas travelling with four adults was three-year-old Madeleine.

Madeleine was wearing a pink T-shirt with the character Eeyore and white trousers with a small floral ­pattern when she was snatched.

The cabbie described how the girl in the taxi even had the same distinctive mark in her eye as Madeleine does.

He went to Portugal’s CID, the ­Policia Judiciaria, soon after discovering Madeleine had gone missing and gave a statement.

But Mr Castela said: “After I went to the police, I never heard anything from them again. They did not seem to take me seriously and never questioned me. They simply took down the details and that was it.

“I am amazed that it has been five years and nobody has ever asked me what I saw that night. I am absolutely certain it was her.”

Mr Castela, a cab driver for 23 years, said he picked up the girl on the evening of May 4, 2007, in Monte Gordo in the Algarve. The spot was about an hour’s drive from Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished the night before.

She was with three men and a woman and they were driven to the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio, near Faro. Once there, they got into a blue 4x4 and drove off.

Mr Castela said: “The little girl, who looked like Madeleine was sat on the lap of a man sitting in the back of the cab. I remember thinking it was odd because they did not speak a word during the entire journey apart from at the end when the man sat in the passenger seat said to me, ‘How much?’” He said the girl in his cab did not speak but was “staring ahead” as though she had been doped.

Read more... (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317837/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-but-police-ignored-me)

Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2013, 12:58:58 AM
Breakthrough hope as taxi driver says, "I picked up men with Maddie".

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Here is the same story in the same newspaper on 3rd May 2012.

Madeleine McCann was in my taxi but police ignored me.

Even my Miele washing machine would baulk at that rate of spins !!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2013, 01:10:08 AM
The original story 5 years ago :


Algarve Resident

Taxi driver: "I carried Madeleine on night she disappeared"

Updated: 29-Feb-2008

   
“The girl had a darker spot in one of her eyes,” says Monte Gordo taxi driver António José Castela Cardoso.

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Photo: SOLARPIX

A TAXI DRIVER from Monte Gordo has claimed that he transported Madeleine McCann and four adults to a local hotel on the night the little girl disappeared last May.

António José Castela Cardoso said his sighting was reported to the Polícia Judiciária at the time but that he has not been contacted by investigators since then.

He told a Portuguese daily newspaper yesterday (Thursday) that the group, one woman and three men plus the girl he says was Madeleine, approached his taxi at around 8:10pm at the casino taxi rank and asked to be taken to the Hotel Apolo, which is a few kilometres away in Vila Real de Santo António city centre, close to the Spanish border.

When they reached the hotel, António Cardoso said the group did not go in but instead got into a jeep with a yellow foreign licence plate.

Only after newspapers started reporting the disappearance of Madeleine over the weekend following May 3 did he connect the case with that group.

The reason, he said, was because “the girl had a darker spot in one of her eyes” and that attracted his attention.

António Cardoso also says that the man who was in the front passenger seat was very similar to Robert Murat and the woman looked a lot like Madeleine’s mother.

The episode, as recounted by António Cardoso, happened several hours before the alarm was raised about Madeleine’s disappearance, which was after 10pm on May 3.

While the secrecy of justice law continues to constrain any official clarification about the Madeleine Case, unofficial PJ sources were quoted by the Portuguese-language press as confirming the existence of António Cardoso’s report in the case files.

Meanwhile, according to police sources quoted in another Portuguese daily newspaper, the British police have confirmed and agreed with the enquiry letters sent by their Portuguese counterparts and a British police representative is now expected to travel to the Algarve in the coming weeks.

Police forces from the two countries are now planning the questioning sessions to be held in the UK, as requested by the PJ, of Gerry and Kate McCann and three of their friends who stayed with them at Praia da Luz, JaneTanner, Russell O’Brien and David Payne.

www.algarveresident.com/25031-18003/algarve/taxi-driver-i-carried-madeleine-on-night-she-disappeared
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: John on August 17, 2013, 01:53:35 AM
The Daily Express must really struggle to find front page news these days.  Rehashing old Madeleine stores from 5 years ago really does smack of desperation.

According to the cabbie the girl he picked up with the four adults was wearing pyjamas.  I find it very hard to believe that any abductors would be running around in a public taxi with an abductee still clad in pyjamas some 24 hours later.  No wonder the PJ ignored this crank. 

If this is the sort of quality leads that SY are pursuing then they might as well stay in London.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
The Daily Express must really struggle to find front page news these days.  Rehashing old Madeleine stores from 5 years ago really does smack of desperation.

According to the cabbie the girl he picked up with the four adults was wearing pyjamas.  I find it very hard to believe that any abductors would be running around in a public taxi with an abductee still clad in pyjamas some 24 hours later.  No wonder the PJ ignored this crank. 

If this is the sort of quality leads that SY are pursuing then they might as well stay in London.

Worrying, isn't it John.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Lyall on August 17, 2013, 02:26:33 PM
I think this recycling of stories may remain the pattern while the press regulation issue stays unresolved, but once it is the stories may well get more daring.

Certainly Desmond's papers aren't going to forget the case are they - or stop putting it on the front pages.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 17, 2013, 05:10:47 PM
Hi folks. 

It does seem that this was not properly investigated by the PJ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2013, 06:06:05 PM
Hi folks. 

It does seem that this was not properly investigated by the PJ?

Seems even the McCanns didn't believe Castela's story back in 2008 :

'Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, reacted yesterday with amazement at the declarations of the taxi-driver. "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men", he said, underlining the fact of being several independent witnesses who place Madeleine's parents in a completely different place. "How is that possible, if at 20h35 several witnesses say that Kate and Gerry were sitting down on a table of the Tapas restaurant", he questioned. Clarence doubts of the intentions of the taxi-driver. "It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry", he said, advancing that that the McCann's daughter has no facial twitches.'
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 17, 2013, 06:11:36 PM
Seems even the McCanns didn't believe Castela's story back in 2008 :

'Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, reacted yesterday with amazement at the declarations of the taxi-driver. "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men", he said, underlining the fact of being several independent witnesses who place Madeleine's parents in a completely different place. "How is that possible, if at 20h35 several witnesses say that Kate and Gerry were sitting down on a table of the Tapas restaurant", he questioned. Clarence doubts of the intentions of the taxi-driver. "It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry", he said, advancing that that the McCann's daughter has no facial twitches.'

Fair do's, Faithlilly - I hadn't seen that quote from Clarence.  However, the cabbie is saying that he saw Madeleine in his taxi the day after her disappearance?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2013, 06:15:23 PM
Fair do's, Faithlilly - I hadn't seen that quote from Clarence.  However, the cabbie is saying that he saw Madeleine in his taxi the day after her disappearance?

See the first article posted above about the sighting which was published in the Algarve Resident Rachel.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Rachel Granada on August 17, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
See the first article posted above about the sighting which was published in the Algarve Resident Rachel.

OK fair enough, I will read back.  But I get the sense that the cabbie was talking about the day after Madeleine went missing.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 17, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
Seems even the McCanns didn't believe Castela's story back in 2008 :

'Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, reacted yesterday with amazement at the declarations of the taxi-driver. "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men", he said, underlining the fact of being several independent witnesses who place Madeleine's parents in a completely different place. "How is that possible, if at 20h35 several witnesses say that Kate and Gerry were sitting down on a table of the Tapas restaurant", he questioned. Clarence doubts of the intentions of the taxi-driver. "It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry", he said, advancing that that the McCann's daughter has no facial twitches.'

He seems to be talking about a twitch, and Kate being in the taxi, no wonder they didn't believe him.

Madeleine has no Twitches

From Correio da Manhã: A source connected with the investigation guaranteed that the facts told by António Castela were "investigated" and the “lead was proven false”.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: John on August 17, 2013, 11:33:30 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how many people pop up months after the event and claim to have seen something.  Are they after fame or fortune I wonder?   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: AnneGuedes on August 18, 2013, 01:44:00 AM
The 15 minutes of fame of Andy Warhol ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: puglove on August 18, 2013, 01:46:29 AM
The 15 minutes of fame of Andy Warhol ?

Actually, it was 5 minutes of fame.    8(8-))
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 02:07:08 PM

It sounds to me as though someone might have messed with his statement.  It wouldn't be the first time or the last time.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 02:12:50 PM
It sounds to me as though someone might have messed with his statement.  It wouldn't be the first time or the last time.

What statement ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 02:27:11 PM
What statement ?

His first statement.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
His first statement.

AFAIAA there is no 'first' statement, simply newspaper reports. Care to point me in the right direction Eleanor ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
AFAIAA there is no 'first' statement, simply newspaper reports. Care to point me in the right direction Eleanor ?

You mean The PJ didn't include it in The Files?  Oh My.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
You mean The PJ didn't include it in The Files?  Oh My.

So there seems to have been no statement to mess with, doesn't there Eleanor ? Just continually changing media reports which Clarence Mitchell seems to have change his reaction to to accommodate.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 04:13:38 PM

I find it a trifle worrying that The PJ ignored his report.  Although I can't imagine why I should be surprised.  They appear to have done quite a lot of that.
They ignored what could have been a valuable lead while spreading downright lies all over The Tabloids.
And some people wonder why others think that the investigation was a cock up from day one.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 04:34:30 PM
I find it a trifle worrying that The PJ ignored his report.  Although I can't imagine why I should be surprised.  They appear to have done quite a lot of that.
They ignored what could have been a valuable lead while spreading downright lies all over The Tabloids.
And some people wonder why others think that the investigation was a cock up from day one.

Did he make a report or did he simply cut out the middleman and go straight to the tabloids ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
Did he make a report or did he simply cut out the middleman and go straight to the tabloids ?

He says that he told The PJ.  Why would he not have done?  If he didn't tell The PJ, would not that have been Obstructing the Course of Justice which is punishable By Law?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
He says that he told The PJ.  Why would he not have done?  If he didn't tell The PJ, would not that have been Obstructing the Course of Justice which is punishable By Law?

Nope. Leaving aside the fact that Portugal has a vastly different judicial system, not even under English law would Mr Castela have committed an offence by not reporting the incident to the police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstructing_the_course_of_justice
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 18, 2013, 06:00:27 PM
Nope. Leaving aside the fact that Portugal has a vastly different judicial system, not even under English law would Mr Castela have committed an offence by not reporting the incident to the police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstructing_the_course_of_justice

But he says he did.  Are you saying that he was lying?  And why would he not have reported it?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 06:41:47 PM
But he says he did.  Are you saying that he was lying?  And why would he not have reported it?

Perhaps because it was a load of old cobblers which only seems to have come to light at the beginning of 2008 IIRC.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2013, 08:32:07 AM

I think that is for Scotland Yard and Prosecutors in Portugal to decide.  He will no doubt be interviewed now.  Hardly the actions of a liar.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
I think that is for Scotland Yard and Prosecutors in Portugal to decide.  He will no doubt be interviewed now.  Hardly the actions of a liar.

And very hard to prove to be a lie at this juncture, a fact, I'm sure, mr Castela has thought about carefully.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
But he says he did.  Are you saying that he was lying?  And why would he not have reported it?

Well someone's lying.

While the secrecy of justice law continues to constrain any official clarification about the Madeleine Case, unofficial PJ sources were quoted by the Portuguese-language press as confirming the existence of António Cardoso’s report in the case files.

Wasn't his son a GNR Officer?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 12:03:22 PM
Well someone's lying.

While the secrecy of justice law continues to constrain any official clarification about the Madeleine Case, unofficial PJ sources were quoted by the Portuguese-language press as confirming the existence of António Cardoso’s report in the case files.

Wasn't his son a GNR Officer?

Someone certainly is lying. I can find no mention of a report from Mr Castela in the case files.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2013, 12:32:56 PM
Well someone's lying.

While the secrecy of justice law continues to constrain any official clarification about the Madeleine Case, unofficial PJ sources were quoted by the Portuguese-language press as confirming the existence of António Cardoso’s report in the case files.

Wasn't his son a GNR Officer?

I do believe you are right.  I had forgotten that.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
I do believe you are right.  I had forgotten that.

Yes I am right Eleanor.

The next day, António was watching the television news besides his son and his granddaughter, with the same age of Maddie. With astonishment he saw that the blond girl of light eyes had disappeared. “I immediately told my son: ' I transported that girl yesterday! ’ ”.
The son, a police officer of the GNR, advised the father to phone to the Judiciary Police of Portimão. “ He (the son) dialled the number and I said what I am telling you (to the journalist of 24 Horas newspaper)”, he remembers to 24horas.
The inspector who answered then asked him if in the hotel there was a system of video vigilance. The taxi-driver did not know.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 12:48:10 PM
I do believe you are right.  I had forgotten that.

The quote regarding an unofficial PJ source relates to the article in the Portuguese press in which Mr Castela claims Madeleine was in his taxi on the 3rd of May before 10pm, not the 4th, and was accompanied by Kate and Murat lookalikes. So are we assuming that is the report, if it exists, contained within the case files ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
Yes I am right Eleanor.

The next day, António was watching the television news besides his son and his granddaughter, with the same age of Maddie. With astonishment he saw that the blond girl of light eyes had disappeared. “I immediately told my son: ' I transported that girl yesterday! ’ ”.
The son, a police officer of the GNR, advised the father to phone to the Judiciary Police of Portimão. “ He (the son) dialled the number and I said what I am telling you (to the journalist of 24 Horas newspaper)”, he remembers to 24horas.
The inspector who answered then asked him if in the hotel there was a system of video vigilance. The taxi-driver did not know.

The 24hors article stated Mr Castela had seen Maddie on the 3rd, about 8.45 IIRC, and not the 4th.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: AnneGuedes on August 19, 2013, 01:01:50 PM
The 24hors article stated Mr Castela had seen Maddie on the 3rd, about 8.45 IIRC, and not the 4th.
All he said is that he called a PJ nb dialled by his son. They would take a note. What the taxidriver said was likely considered irrelevant for the case (wasn't Madeleine's presence in her bed witnessed by her own father at 21h05 ?) and no statement was asked. As when Martin called the PJ in May 2007. There's no note about it in the files. He was told carrying a child wasn't unusual (they were after Bundleman at the time) and sent to the gardaí.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
The 24hors article stated Mr Castela had seen Maddie on the 3rd, about 8.45 IIRC, and not the 4th.

Funny only the 24hors and another Portuguese paper mention Kate being in the car.
British papers don't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580173/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-man-claims.html 11:31AM GMT 28 Feb 2008
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2013, 01:40:28 PM

Amazing the lengths to which some people will go to trash a possible sighting.

This needs looking into, and no doubt will be since there is doubt about the date.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2013, 01:41:49 PM
Funny only the 24hors and another Portuguese paper mention Kate being in the car.
British papers don't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580173/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-man-claims.html11:31AM GMT 28 Feb 2008

Surely you don't believe everything in a UK newspaper is the truth ? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 19, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Clarence Mitchell poo poo'd it at the time by reminding everyone that several witnesses placed Kate and Gerry at the tapas bar at that time so it was impossible.

Could the date have been wrong?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
Funny only the 24hors and another Portuguese paper mention Kate being in the car.
British papers don't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580173/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-man-claims.html  11:31AM GMT 28 Feb 2008

The link doesn't seem to work for me. No matter. Knowing the litigious nature of the McCanns I'm sure the Telegraph were erring on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 01:53:46 PM
It was the night of the 3rd May that he claimed to have seen Madeleine in his taxi with the adults. Clarence Mitchell poo poo'd it at the time by reminding everyone that several witnesses placed Kate and Gerry at the tapas bar at that time so it was impossible.

Poor soul should have gone to Portuguese SpecSavers!!

So the sighting is of no value at all, agreed ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 01:55:28 PM
Amazing the lengths to which some people will go to trash a possible sighting.

This needs looking into, and no doubt will be since there is doubt about the date.

Yes it does Eleanor. How does anyone know if the dates were right, in those papers. I'm sure SY will have looked at this, and not binned it.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
The link doesn't seem to work for me. No matter. Knowing the litigious nature of the McCanns I'm sure the Telegraph were erring on the side of caution.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/11feb8/TELEGRAPH_29_02_08.htm

Erring on the side of caution? Not on the date this was printed  @)(++(*

By Natalie Paris
Last Updated: 2:29AM GMT 29 Feb 2008
 
Claims Madeleine was quiet and dressed in her pyjamas 
 
Antonio Castela
 
A taxi driver has reportedly claimed to have taken Madeleine McCann and Robert Murat for a ride in his cab on the night the toddler vanished.
Antonio Cardoso, 67, alleges that Madeleine was with three men and a woman who were waiting at a taxi rank in Monte Gordo near the Spanish border.

The Sun newspaper reports that he took them on a short journey to a hotel where the group transferred to a jeep with foreign number plates.
Mr Cardoso claimed the girl in the back of his taxi at 8.10pm on May 3 was wearing pink pyjamas and had a distinctive mark in her eye.

He said he later recognised one of the men as Robert Murat after watching a television programme.

The claims have shocked Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have rejected them for being incompatible with the known chain of events that night.

Murat was made an official suspect, or arguido, two weeks after the little girl disappeared but has always denied any involvement in the case.

Mr Cardoso said he drove the group in silence for about two miles from the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio near Faro, with the man who he believed to be Murat sat beside him in the front passenger seat.

He claimed the girl he thought was Madeleine was awake but said nothing during the trip and stared straight ahead.

He told the Sun: "I noticed her eye because my son was born with a defect much the same. I saw her kind of twist her chin a few times in my rear-view mirror.

"I remember she was in pink pyjamas and wondered why they hadn't dressed her."

He described the adults as casually dressed and the woman as a slim blonde.

Mr Cardoso said he had informed the police of the apparent encounter but as well as Metodo 3, the private detective agency hired by the McCanns.

But the McCanns spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the newspaper: "We are dismissing this primarily because the timings are entirely wrong."
 
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 02:08:07 PM
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/11feb8/TELEGRAPH_29_02_08.htm

Erring on the side of caution? Not on the date this was printed  @)(++(*

By Natalie Paris
Last Updated: 2:29AM GMT 29 Feb 2008
 
Claims Madeleine was quiet and dressed in her pyjamas 
 
Antonio Castela
 
A taxi driver has reportedly claimed to have taken Madeleine McCann and Robert Murat for a ride in his cab on the night the toddler vanished.
Antonio Cardoso, 67, alleges that Madeleine was with three men and a woman who were waiting at a taxi rank in Monte Gordo near the Spanish border.

The Sun newspaper reports that he took them on a short journey to a hotel where the group transferred to a jeep with foreign number plates.
Mr Cardoso claimed the girl in the back of his taxi at 8.10pm on May 3 was wearing pink pyjamas and had a distinctive mark in her eye.

He said he later recognised one of the men as Robert Murat after watching a television programme.

The claims have shocked Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have rejected them for being incompatible with the known chain of events that night.

Murat was made an official suspect, or arguido, two weeks after the little girl disappeared but has always denied any involvement in the case.

Mr Cardoso said he drove the group in silence for about two miles from the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio near Faro, with the man who he believed to be Murat sat beside him in the front passenger seat.

He claimed the girl he thought was Madeleine was awake but said nothing during the trip and stared straight ahead.

He told the Sun: "I noticed her eye because my son was born with a defect much the same. I saw her kind of twist her chin a few times in my rear-view mirror.

"I remember she was in pink pyjamas and wondered why they hadn't dressed her."

He described the adults as casually dressed and the woman as a slim blonde.

Mr Cardoso said he had informed the police of the apparent encounter but as well as Metodo 3, the private detective agency hired by the McCanns.

But the McCanns spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the newspaper: "We are dismissing this primarily because the timings are entirely wrong."

Thank you for posting the article. TBH the whole sighting is nonsense so why was Clarence Mitchell giving it credence last year ?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
Yes it does Eleanor. How does anyone know if the dates were right, in those papers. I'm sure SY will have looked at this, and not binned it.

That's the important thing, DCI.  No one actually knows if the first date given was incorrect.

"The night AFTER Madeleine disappeared."  All too easy to leave out the word AFTER.  It's been done before.  And Amaral had already made up his mind.  He might not have welcomed a sighting so close.
And let's face it, there is no doubt that lies were leaked to The Portuguese press.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 19, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
Strange isn't it that the 2012 articles have the date as the day after ie 4th May and not the night Madeleine disappeared?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317837/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-but-police-ignored-me
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 04:01:59 PM
Strange isn't it that the 2012 articles have the date as the day after ie 4th May and not the night Madeleine disappeared?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317837/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-but-police-ignored-me

But don't forget, the original dates would have been passed on to the UK press. Could these have been checked out and rectified? The same goes for Kate being in the car, as in another paper it say's "Looked like Kate". Big difference, when there's at least 2 other woman, that could look like Kate.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Luz on August 19, 2013, 04:28:25 PM
Where did the British investigative journalism go to?
This case has shown the worst of the worst in the world...
Using a recanted notice from 2008, copied from portuguese journos and changing the dates is not bad journalism, it should be criminally punished.

They don't even had the preoccupation to read the following portuguese notices that showed that the man was questioned by the police and his testimony considered irrelevant. The man messed up - there was no Kate, no Madeleine and no Murat in his taxi on May the 3rd, 2007, at 20:10h.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
Where did the British investigative journalism go to?
This case has shown the worst of the worst in the world...
Using a recanted notice from 2008, copied from portuguese journos and changing the dates is not bad journalism, it should be criminally punished.

They don't even had the preoccupation to read the following portuguese notices that showed that the man was questioned by the police and his testimony considered irrelevant. The man messed up - there was no Kate, no Madeleine and no Murat in his taxi on May the 3rd, 2007, at 20:10h.

Do you have a link to portuguese notices that showed that the man was questioned by the police and his testimony considered irrelevant.
Seems there was an awful lot on information classed as irrelevant, too much IMO!
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2013, 04:47:04 PM
Do you have a link to portuguese notices that showed that the man was questioned by the police and his testimony considered irrelevant.
Seems there was an awful lot on information classed as irrelevant, too much IMO!

Everything pointing to the innocence of The McCanns was irrelevant.  Still is in some quarters.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 04:47:41 PM
Everything pointing to the innocence of The McCanns was irrelevant.  Still is in some quarters.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: Luz on August 19, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
8((()*/

No, I don't have a reference at hand to give to you about António Castela. I have a memory though.

And the question is not if the McCann are innocent or guilty but why don't they open their game and tell all they know about what happened without subterfuges.

António Castela on his first interview to the journos said that he transported a child, that he later identified as M.McCann, accompanied by a woman that he believed was Kate McCann and 3 men, one of which looked like Murat. According to his deposition to the PJ, as related to the journalist from Correio da Manhã, the ride was between Vila Real de Santo António and a Hotel in Monte Gordo (about one kilometer away and more than 70 km from Praia da Luz). This, according to the interview, happened on the 3rd of May, 2007 at 20:10h.

If you were the police how much credit would you give to this account?
In fact, even the spokesperson to the McCann discarded that witness at the time.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 05:33:50 PM
No, I don't have a reference at hand to give to you about António Castela. I have a memory though.

And the question is not if the McCann are innocent or guilty but why don't they open their game and tell all they know about what happened without subterfuges.

António Castela on his first interview to the journos said that he transported a child, that he later identified as M.McCann, accompanied by a woman that he believed was Kate McCann and 3 men, one of which looked like Murat. According to his deposition to the PJ, as related to the journalist from Correio da Manhã, the ride was between Vila Real de Santo António and a Hotel in Monte Gordo (about one kilometer away and more than 70 km from Praia da Luz). This, according to the interview, happened on the 3rd of May, 2007 at 20:10h.

If you were the police how much credit would you give to this account?
In fact, even the spokesperson to the McCann discarded that witness at the time.

I didn't think you would have! Memory isn't proof though is it? Or does that just apply to the McCann's?

They haven't deceived anyone IMO, but they have been deceived, on more than one occasion.
It depends if those dates and times are correct, and that is the only reason Clarence Mitchell discarded it.

Did anyone speak to his GNR Officer son?
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
Funny only the 24hors and another Portuguese paper mention Kate being in the car.
British papers don't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580173/Madeleine-McCann-was-in-my-taxi-man-claims.html 11:31AM GMT 28 Feb 2008

Not so DCI. Here is a  British newspapers that also mention it :

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/11feb8/29_02_2008.htm
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 05:55:37 PM
Not so DCI. Here is a  British newspapers that also mention it :

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/11feb8/29_02_2008.htm

The news came as a Portuguese taxi driver told how he picked up Madeleine McCann with a blonde woman who looked like Kate McCann and three men including one who looked like suspect Robert Murat the night of her disappearance.

"The blonde woman with them looked to me like Madeleine's mother but I couldn't say whether or not it was her," he added.

Looked like, not was, Kate. As I said there is a difference.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2013, 06:10:03 PM
The news came as a Portuguese taxi driver told how he picked up Madeleine McCann with a blonde woman who looked like Kate McCann and three men including one who looked like suspect Robert Murat the night of her disappearance.

"The blonde woman with them looked to me like Madeleine's mother but I couldn't say whether or not it was her," he added.

Looked like, not was, Kate. As I said there is a difference.

AFAIAA the Portuguese press didn't say it was categorically Kate either.
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: DCI on August 19, 2013, 06:21:11 PM
AFAIAA the Portuguese press didn't say it was categorically Kate either.

Are you calling Joana Morais, a liar?

A taxi-driver of Vila Real de Santo Antonio, in the Algarve, guarantees to have transported Maddie, Kate McCann and three men – one of them similar to Murat – in the night of the disappearance of the English girl, in the 3rd of May of last year.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/02/taxi-driver-story-and-rogatory-letter.html
Title: Re: Yet more old news rehashed as the Cabbie story is retold.
Post by: sadie on August 19, 2013, 09:01:15 PM
No, I don't have a reference at hand to give to you about António Castela. I have a memory though.

And the question is not if the McCann are innocent or guilty but why don't they open their game and tell all they know about what happened without subterfuges.

António Castela on his first interview to the journos said that he transported a child, that he later identified as M.McCann, accompanied by a woman that he believed was Kate McCann and 3 men, one of which looked like Murat. According to his deposition to the PJ, as related to the journalist from Correio da Manhã, the ride was between Vila Real de Santo António and a Hotel in Monte Gordo (about one kilometer away and more than 70 km from Praia da Luz). This, according to the interview, happened on the 3rd of May, 2007 at 20:10h.

If you were the police how much credit would you give to this account?
In fact, even the spokesperson to the McCann discarded that witness at the time.

Oh, you are way out with that measurement Luz.

Almost twice that and maybe a little more than that, following the roads. 
Lets err on your side and say 130km = over 80 miles
Some of it is fast but much of it is not so fast.


Check it on GEarth.  
1)  Use the upright blue rule at the top of the page. 
2)  click on it and when the banner comes down,
3)  click on path. 
4)  Now change the unit of measurement: yards. metres, miles, kilometres etc to the unit you want, presumably kilometres

You are now ready to start measuring the path/road
i)  Move the pointer to Monte Gordo , click
ii)  Move the pointer to the next corner or curve.  Click on it
iii)  Move the pointer along a bit more along the road and click

iv)  Eventually you will come to the junction of the N120 above PdL. click
v)  then down to OC, click

vi)  The distance of the path comes up in the little box automatically.  Kilometres can be changed to miles, and miles to kilometers

I have only measured roughly and have cut corners a bit.  It is quite a drive