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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: icabodcrane on September 13, 2013, 02:33:01 AM
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OK ... we've been told he has 'work committments' ... and that he is 'looking after the twins'
Do we believe that ? ...really ? ( any of us ? )
He took almost a year off work and his employers were ( understandably ) very sympathetic and accommodating ... yet he couldn't take one day off today ? ... a very important day when his wife would, otherwise, be left to endure torment alone ... his bosses said " No" ?
... and the 'looking after the twins' part ?
He couldn't leave them in the care of loving family members for a day ? ... this same man who sashayed off down the road leaving those twins ( at a much younger age ) along with their three year old sister, entirely alone and vulnerable in an unlocked apartment at night ?
Is anyone buying that ?
If not ... why is Gerry not with Kate in Lisbon tonight ?
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OK ... we've been told he has 'work committments' ... and that he is 'looking after the twins'
Do we believe that ? ...really ? ( any of us ? )
He took almost a year off work and his employers were ( understandably ) very sympathetic and accommodating ... yet he couldn't take one day off today ? ... a very important day when his wife would, otherwise, be left to endure torment alone ... his bosses said " No" ?
... and the 'looking after the twins' part ?
He couldn't leave them in the care of loving family members for a day ? ... this same man who sashayed off down the road leaving those twins ( at a much younger age ) along with their three year old sister, entirely alone and vulnerable in an unlocked apartment at night ?
Is anyone buying that ?
If not ... why is Gerry not with Kate in Lisbon tonight ?
For exactly the same reason he hasn't been out searching for his daughter for the last six years. Something else takes priority - HIS CAREER!!
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Good Lord, you sound like a pair of gossipy old hens with nothing better to do than skinner about your neighbours, but the McCanns are not your neighbours - they are people you have never met nor are ever likely to meet. You have no idea why Gerry has not accompanied Kate to Lisbon, and it's none of your business anyway!
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OK ... we've been told he has 'work committments' ... and that he is 'looking after the twins'
Do we believe that ? ...really ? ( any of us ? )
He took almost a year off work and his employers were ( understandably ) very sympathetic and accommodating ... yet he couldn't take one day off today ? ... a very important day when his wife would, otherwise, be left to endure torment alone ... his bosses said " No" ?
... and the 'looking after the twins' part ?
He couldn't leave them in the care of loving family members for a day ? ... this same man who sashayed off down the road leaving those twins ( at a much younger age ) along with their three year old sister, entirely alone and vulnerable in an unlocked apartment at night ?
Is anyone buying that ?
If not ... why is Gerry not with Kate in Lisbon tonight ?
Amazing the way some folk expect the McCanns to report and explain every single move they make to them It's as if they own them. They are not public property and whatever the reason may be for their decision - it really is no-one's business but theirs.
Is there nothing on this earth that this couple can do or say which isn't immediately 'jumped on' and 'picked over' to the Nth degree until its been turned into yet another stick to beat them with? Apparently not.
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The Mccanns through their actions and courting the press, when it suits them have made themselves 'public property'.
Judging by the comments on the yahoo news pages, if they are fairly representative, they have reached all time low in public opinion.
e.g.
'The McCanns must surely realise that they are at the very bottom of the popularity ladder worldwide - not just in Portugal. The author is quite entitled to publish his opinion about the McCann case. I doubt if they can prove that the book is poisoning public opinion when their reputation is already so toxic.'
P.S. There are far worse comments.
Also I suspect the image of one man by himself against kate mccann and her entourage will not go down well either, especially abroad.
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If I'm honest I find Gerry's absence yesterday very strange. What could be more important than supporting his wife in such a situation or is it all part of the game plan?
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If I'm honest I find Gerry's absence yesterday very strange. What could be more important than supporting his wife in such a situation or is it all part of the game plan?
Quite possibly Angelo, they didn't want to be accused of abandoning the children again.
No irony there of course.
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Quite possibly Angelo, they didn't want to be accused of abandoning the children again.
No irony there of course.
Which of course, in line with the sacred mantra of the sceptics i.e. ''Everything they say is wrong and Everything they do is wrong'' - is precisely what would happen.
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More than 50 % of the posts in the last 24 hours have simply been personal attacks on the McCanns. I think that says it all.
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Which of course, in line with the sacred mantra of the sceptics i.e. ''Everything they say is wrong and Everything they do is wrong'' - is precisely what would happen.
In case you hadn't noticed Benice, if they hadn't left their children in the first place we would not be here now !
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In case you hadn't noticed Benice, if they hadn't left their children in the first place we would not be here now !
Tiresome Stephen
Thousands of british families have left children to sleep in similar circumstances with no problems.
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Tiresome Stephen
Thousands of british families have left children to sleep in similar circumstances with no problems.
Can you prove that ?
P.S. It isn't tiresome, it's merely the truth.
and not hard to comprehend either, unless of course you're a die hard Mccanns supporter >@@(*&)
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Can you prove that ?
P.S. It isn't tiresome, it's merely the truth.
and not hard to comprehend either, unless of course you're a die hard Mccanns supporter >@@(*&)
The fact that the Baby Listening Service has been offered at hotels and holiday complexes for years and used by holidaymakers for years would be enough proof for most people. Unless they are completely blinkered by hate of course.
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For exactly the same reason he hasn't been out searching for his daughter for the last six years. Something else takes priority - HIS CAREER!!
He is a consulatant cardiologist working for the NHS, doing a job of crucial importance to his patients.
He clearly has a committment to his profession and to his patients. If he chooses to put them first, then I for one applaud him It seems that perhaps some of his critics have not been in such a position ofvocation and trust - otherwise they might understand and not make stupid comments.
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The fact that the Baby Listening Service has been offered at hotels and holiday complexes for years and used by holidaymakers for years would be enough proof for most people. Unless they are completely blinkered by hate of course.
Are, the old ' Baby Listening Service ' ploy.
Irrelevant as the Mccanns didn't use anything.
As to 'hate', the only 'hate' I see visible is from those extreme supporters of the Mccanns. Yet again.
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He is a consulatant cardiologist working for the NHS, doing a job of crucial importance to his patients.
He clearly has a committment to his profession and to his patients. If he chooses to put them first, then I for one applaud him It seems that perhaps some of his critics have not been in such a position ofvocation and trust - otherwise they might understand and not make stupid comments.
He is not the only consultant cardiologist in the world.
Besides the claim is, he's taking care of the children.
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Are, the old ' Baby Listening Service ' ploy.
Irrelevant as the Mccanns didn't use anything.
As to 'hate', the only 'hate' I see visible is from those extreme supporters of the Mccanns. Yet again.
Hardly a ploy Stephen, it's a fact that whilst on holiday parents took advantage of the Listening service and left their children asleep in the evenings having arranged for them to be checked at regular intervals. The McCanns mirrored that perfectly legal service. Try to get over it.
(edited to remove the wrong name - soz Stephen)
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Hardly a ploy Matthew, it's a fact that whilst on holiday parents took advantage of the Listening service and left their children asleep in the evenings having arranged for them to be checked at regular intervals. The McCanns mirrored that perfectly legal service. Try to get over it.
Well here's a new one. Now I'm someone called Matthew. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Now can you prove the Mccanns or others checked their children regularly.
Besides this is still a red herring.
Anyone in their right mind would never leave small children unprotected, in a foreign country, in an unlocked residence. Don't you comprehend that ?
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He is not the only consultant cardiologist in the world.
Besides the claim is, he's taking care of the children.
Once again Stephen you are commenting on subjects that you patently know absolutely nothing about. Of course he is not the only cardioloist in the world - but will be the only consultant cardiologist on duty in the hospital during the hours his rostered.
And taking care of the children when off duty.
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Once again Stephen you are commenting on subjects that you patently know absolutely nothing about. Of course he is not the only cardioloist in the world - but will be the only consultant cardiologist on duty in the hospital during the hours his rostered.
And taking care of the children when off duty.
Utter rubbish.
P.S. My other half has worked in the Medical Profession.
You've really got to do better than that. 8-)(--)
So what would the hospital do if he was ill or on holiday ?
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Of course they have, Stephen. You are after all the universal expert. ?{)(**
Planned holidays are covered by the other consulatants shifts. If ill, then it is problem for the hospital and his patients may need to be rescheduled. FYI Stephen, Cardiology is a specialist area, but I am sure you have a cousin who is a cardiologist, or maybe an aunt? 8(0(*
The fact is that he clearly has respect for his patients, and sufficient confidence in Kate's ability to handly the court proceedings.
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Of course they have, Stephen. You are after all the universal expert. ?{)(**
Planned holidays are covered by the other consulatants shifts. If ill, then it is problem for the hospital and his patients may need to be rescheduled. FYI Stephen, Cardiology is a specialist area, but I am sure you have a cousin who is a cardiologist, or maybe an aunt? 8(0(*
The fact is that he clearly has respect for his patients, and sufficient confidence in Kate's ability to handly the court proceedings.
The dates for the trial were well known in advance. 8((()*/
Next please.
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The dates for the trial were well known in advance. 8((()*/
Next please.
Is Gerry McCann being called as a witness? If not, then there is no reason for him to be at the trial, because Kate and their legal team is there. He doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else.
What would your response have been if he WAS there? Something in the line of; everyone is at the trial, who is looking after the twins?
Nothing like a good old 'bash the McCann's' to deflect from the real questions that need answering, like - WHY Amaral seeks to have media excluded from libel trial?
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The dates for the trial were well known in advance. 8((()*/
Next please.
Given the number of times it has been postponed at the last minute, there was no guarantee it would go ahead this time.
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Given the number of times it has been postponed at the last minute, there was no guarantee it would go ahead this time.
Indeed! Even Amarals supporters were unable to give the court date, yet Stephen said: "well known in advance."
Odd that everyone was still falling over their feet a week ago trying to establish the correct court date?
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Or it could be that Durate didn't want a repeat of the last time Gerry was on Portuguese court steps, dripping venom and looking capable of absolutely anything.
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Is Gerry McCann being called as a witness? If not, then there is no reason for him to be at the trial, because Kate and their legal team is there. He doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else.
What would your response have been if he WAS there? Something in the line of; everyone is at the trial, who is looking after the twins?
Nothing like a good old 'bash the McCann's' to deflect from the real questions that need answering, like - WHY Amaral seeks to have media excluded from libel trial?
Perhaps he wanted to limit the damage done to the ongoing investigation. Unlike Kate, of course, who was allegedly advised by SY not to attend as a media circus would hamper negotiations between themselves and the Portuguese, yet did so anyway.
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Perhaps he wanted to limit the damage done to the ongoing investigation. Unlike Kate, of course, who was allegedly advised by SY not to attend as a media circus would hamper negotiations between themselves and the Portuguese, yet did so anyway.
Oh I think Amaral and his supporters (are you not one?) has done much more damage to the relationship between the Portuguese and SY than Kate has! The real damage has been established and forms part of the foundation of this trial. How about you go back on your posts on this forum (excluding the posts you have made elsewhere) to see how you have contributed to the damage.
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Is Gerry McCann being called as a witness? If not, then there is no reason for him to be at the trial, because Kate and their legal team is there. He doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else.
What would your response have been if he WAS there? Something in the line of; everyone is at the trial, who is looking after the twins?
Nothing like a good old 'bash the McCann's' to deflect from the real questions that need answering, like - WHY Amaral seeks to have media excluded from libel trial?
She isn't being called as a witness either.
So what's your point exactly ?
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She isn't being called as a witness either.
So what's your point exactly ?
You have just proven my point. He is not needed by the court. He has no legal obligation to be there. Kate is there representing the couple. If he is not needed in court, why bash him for not being there?
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You have just proven my point. He is not needed by the court. He has no legal obligation to be there. Kate is there representing the couple. If he is not needed in court, why bash him for not being there?
So why isn't he there, and she at home taking care of the children ?
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So why isn't he there, and she at home taking care of the children ?
I think you'll find that this question has already been answered. Refer to your conversation with Jean-Pierre on the previous page of this thread.
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Or it could be that Durate didn't want a repeat of the last time Gerry was on Portuguese court steps, dripping venom and looking capable of absolutely anything.
This ^^ not wanting to risk a loose cannon going off, mybe and maybe combined with having a poor distraught suffering fragile mother and her family as victims of Mr Evil, when that image has been debunked by themselves even over the years on so many occassions
Cynical, moi? Nah
Then again perhaps Gerry Mccann couldnt be bothered,has risen above it, its Mrs Mccann who despises and blood thirstily hates the man
OR maybe he did just have serious work commitments
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Is Amaral's wife there, supporting him? If not, why not?
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Is Amaral's wife there, supporting him? If not, why not?
I believe they are divorced, so no reason why he would expect her to be there. I suspect she has had her pound of flesh, and a faceflift, and is off to pastures new.
I am no fan of Amaral, but his ex missus is real piece of work, IMHO.
I do find this thread pretty unseemly. It is of absolutely no business of anyone on this forum.
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I do find this thread pretty unseemly. It is of absolutely no business of anyone on this forum.
bit hypercritical don't you think ...
if that's the case .....why answer the post
or was it possibly to comment on G.A EX
also...
absolutely no business of anyone on this forum.
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I do find this thread pretty unseemly. It is of absolutely no business of anyone on this forum.
bit hypercritical don't you think ...
if that's the case .....why answer the post
or was it possibly to comment on G.A EX
also...
absolutely no business of anyone on this forum.
It is understood Gerry is unable to attend the hearing due to work commitments
Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-tearful-mum-kate-2271075#ixzz2emBZNmt3
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Is Amaral's wife there, supporting him? If not, why not?
Aren't they divorced ? DCI what are you suggesting ? 8)-)))
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It is understood Gerry is unable to attend the hearing due to work commitments
Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-tearful-mum-kate-2271075#ixzz2emBZNmt3
Is this from the same paper that called the Portuguese people 'SARDINE MUNCHERS' ( TONY PARSONS )
If it is, they can 'PICHARD OFF' 8(>((
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Is this from the same paper that called the Portuguese people 'SARDINE MUNCHERS' ( TONY PARSONS )
If it is, they can 'PICHARD OFF' 8(>((
Yeah LOL
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oh-up-yours-senor-516864
Daily Mirror 19.10.07
Oh, up yours, señor
Tony Parsons
Portugal's ambassador to Britain, Senor Antonio Santana Carlos, says that the Madeleine McCann case has seriously damaged relations between the two countries. Well, whose fault is that?
It is the fault of the spectacularly stupid, cruel Portuguese police. I have never much cared for the convention of calling cops "pigs" or "filth", but I am happy to make an exception.
They have tried to cover their humiliation at coming nowhere close to finding that stolen child by fitting up her parents.
The decline in relations is also the fault of the appalling Portuguese media, happy to print any piece of poisonous trash spoon-fed to them by "police sources" treating the abduction of a small child as light entertainment.
And the Portuguese public must also take their share of the blame. The sight of locals jeering at Kate McCann as she went in for questioning made me feel as though these leering bumpkins were not from another country, but another planet.
And the good ambassador can also be blamed for the decline in relations.
When he should be exercising a little diplomacy, he huffs and he puffs about the McCanns' tragic decision to leave their children sleeping alone on the night Madeleine was stolen.
"In Portugal we have the concept of a nuclear family," sniffs Senor Carlos. "That the families all live together."
They made a mistake, ambassador. Their lives have been wrecked. That is punishment enough, without your asinine, unwanted comments.
And I would respectfully suggest that in future, if you can't say something constructive about the disappearance of little Madeleine, then you just keep your stupid, sardine-munching mouth shut.
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Note: The Press Complaints Commission received 485 complaints over this piece by Tony Parsons, more than any other piece in 2007.
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Yeah LOL
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oh-up-yours-senor-516864
Daily Mirror 19.10.07
Oh, up yours, señor
Tony Parsons
Portugal's ambassador to Britain, Senor Antonio Santana Carlos, says that the Madeleine McCann case has seriously damaged relations between the two countries. Well, whose fault is that?
It is the fault of the spectacularly stupid, cruel Portuguese police. I have never much cared for the convention of calling cops "pigs" or "filth", but I am happy to make an exception.
They have tried to cover their humiliation at coming nowhere close to finding that stolen child by fitting up her parents.
The decline in relations is also the fault of the appalling Portuguese media, happy to print any piece of poisonous trash spoon-fed to them by "police sources" treating the abduction of a small child as light entertainment.
And the Portuguese public must also take their share of the blame. The sight of locals jeering at Kate McCann as she went in for questioning made me feel as though these leering bumpkins were not from another country, but another planet.
And the good ambassador can also be blamed for the decline in relations.
When he should be exercising a little diplomacy, he huffs and he puffs about the McCanns' tragic decision to leave their children sleeping alone on the night Madeleine was stolen.
"In Portugal we have the concept of a nuclear family," sniffs Senor Carlos. "That the families all live together."
They made a mistake, ambassador. Their lives have been wrecked. That is punishment enough, without your asinine, unwanted comments.
And I would respectfully suggest that in future, if you can't say something constructive about the disappearance of little Madeleine, then you just keep your stupid, sardine-munching mouth shut.
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Note: The Press Complaints Commission received 485 complaints over this piece by Tony Parsons, more than any other piece in 2007.
Thanks for that Redblossom.
Parsons shows up as nasty little xenophobic shitte, and then some.
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Thanks for that Redblossom.
Parsons shows up as nasty little xenophobic shitte, and then some.
disgusting little parsnip I agree, everytying a journalist shouldnt be
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Gerry McCann is conspicuous in his absence - that's why we're sitting here talking about it.
Taking a few days off work would make absolutely no difference to his professional status whatsoever. We're not talking about six months.
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Gerry McCann is conspicuous in his absence - that's why we're sitting here talking about it.
Taking a few days off work would make absolutely no difference to his professional status whatsoever. We're not talking about six months.
Have another think....its not a few days......arriving wed, depart Friday...same next week and the week after..as much as 9 days, that's two weeks out of his annual leave, not a few days
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Gerry McCann is conspicuous in his absence - that's why we're sitting here talking about it.
Taking a few days off work would make absolutely no difference to his professional status whatsoever. We're not talking about six months.
Thats ridiculous, don't you think appointments are made months in advance. As Shona said yesterday, I'd be peeved if my appointment was cancelled.
Appointments, that could mean a matter of life or death, to someone.
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Wouldn't all parties have known for months when the tribunal would sit again?
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Thats ridiculous, don't you think appointments are made months in advance. As Shona said yesterday, I'd be peeved if my appointment was cancelled.
Appointments, that could mean a matter of life or death, to someone.
Yes, it could have been too difficult to re-arrange appointments or find another doctor to cover.
That's the simple answer, DCI
But it's nonetheless significant that Gerry's public profile is low at such a crucial and sensitive time for the McCanns, with the trial and SY's negotiations with the Portuguese authorities coinciding, and Operation Grange likely being the last chance for a proper investigation and public funds.
Interesting timing. Where's the Doctor at the final push?
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Wouldn't all parties have known for months when the tribunal would sit again?
Exactly
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Yes, it could have been too difficult to re-arrange appointments or find another doctor to cover.
That's the simple answer.
But it's nonetheless significant that Gerry's public profile is low at such a crucial and sensitive time for the McCanns, with the trial and SY's negotiations with the Portuguese authorities coinciding, and Operation Grange likely being the last chance for a proper investigation and public funds.
Interesting timing.
I must say I was shocked at the comments on that Yahoo board yesterday. If that is anything to go by (and there is no reason to think otherwise) the McCanns aren't receiving very much public support now some six plus years down the line.
Has the money issue been their undoing?
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I must say I was shocked at the comments on that Yahoo board yesterday. If that is anything to go by (and there is no reason to think otherwise) the McCanns aren't receiving very much public support now some six plus years down the line.
Has the money issue been their undoing?
Yes, that tends to happen when you are unable to expand your horizons and look beyond the cesspits and hellholes of the internet. Your views become tainted.
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I must say I was shocked at the comments on that Yahoo board yesterday. If that is anything to go by (and there is no reason to think otherwise) the McCanns aren't receiving very much public support now some six plus years down the line.
Has the money issue been their undoing?
I think it may have been the straw that broke the camels back John.
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There are probably several reasons why Gerry decided to remain at home last week and not travel to Lisbon and most of them have already been discussed on this thread. I can only imagine he wished he was there with Kate if only to give her support. I certainly felt for her when she gave that short interview outside the court, she was on the verge of tears but held them back bravely.
Neeley. This thread has been split as it has gone off topic, I will respond to your post shortly on the new thread.
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If we were to allow everyone to post off topic the threads would all end up converging eventually. Just imagine how the new members feel when they are faced with threads which go off the subject routinely.
ps Part II trial evidence now being posted.
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For exactly the same reason he hasn't been out searching for his daughter for the last six years. Something else takes priority - HIS CAREER!!
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